OU Recruiting 2020: Everybody Hurts Sometimes

[Fud 9552]

If Riley couldn't win it all with a 5th year Baker or a 4th year Kyler, he's never going to 

[Mdhorn 5974]

7 hours ago, Fud said:

If Riley couldn't win it all with a 5th year Baker or a 4th year Kyler, he's never going to 

and Hurts is a drop off in elusiveness and arm accuracy.  

Edited April 27, 2019 by Mdhorn

[Tex Pete 20410]

14 hours ago, VirginiaLonghorn said:

Those recruiting “championships” sure add up ... just ask Mack. 

Stop being a whiny cuck. Fuck OU. 

[VirginiaLonghorn 4780]

7 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

Stop being a whiny cuck. Fuck OU. 

All of those recruiting championships have resulted in a 7-13 record against OU since 2000. When we flip that script, feel free to call me any name you like. Until then, however, go fuck yOUrself. 

[texifornia 57033]

12 minutes ago, VirginiaLonghorn said:

All of those recruiting championships have resulted in a 7-13 record against OU since 2000. When we flip that script, feel free to call me any name you like. Until then, however, go fuck yOUrself. 

But you say that after a typing out a post concerned about Lincoln Riley's recruiting. Do you see the issue?

Edited April 27, 2019 by texifornia

[VirginiaLonghorn 4780]

3 minutes ago, texifornia said:

But you say that after a typing out a post concerned about Lincoln Riley's recruiting. Do you see the issue?

I reported what HE said. There’s no issue. 

[texifornia 57033]

4 minutes ago, VirginiaLonghorn said:

I reported what HE said. There’s no issue. 

Ok we'll stop trying to get the best players then. It clearly doesn't matter.

[Tex Pete 20410]

15 hours ago, VirginiaLonghorn said:

All of those recruiting championships have resulted in a 7-13 record against OU since 2000. When we flip that script, feel free to call me any name you like. Until then, however, go fuck yOUrself. 

Stupid cUnT. 

[Buddy Hinton 103]

On 4/26/2019 at 12:40 PM, golfclap said:

I could argue with it. 

Hurts will mark the 5th year in a row that the Sooners are starting a xfer QB. 

Riley didn't recruit any of those QBs out of high school, in fact he hasn't had a QB that he recruited start a single game for him at OU (as OC or HC). Hell, Holgorson is the person that identified Carden as a capable QB and talked McNeil into looking at him at ECU. It's easy AF to sell Kingsbury as the man behind identifying both Murray and Mayfield (despite how he handled them, etc). Riley taking on Hurts instead of a QB he has identified and groomed (Austin Kendall) further exacerbates the feeling that he is piggybacking off of other people's work. I'm not saying Riley isn't a good offensive coach or QB coach but I could argue with his impact on the 2 first rounders esp. with the taking of Hurts vs. Kendall (as well as Mordecai and Rattler). You could also point out that Riley was being a fucking bitch cunt trying to block Kendall's transfer to WVU until the whole world shat on him and forced his hypocrite ass to give in.  

Fuck OU. 

 

 

 

 

So he took two guys that were nothing special at their previous stops and turned them into Heisman winners and the #1 picks in the NFL, but you can make the argument about his impact on these guys?

[Bevo14 8355]

1 hour ago, Buddy Hinton said:

So he took two guys that were nothing special at their previous stops and turned them into Heisman winners and the #1 picks in the NFL, but you can make the argument about his impact on these guys?

The first douchebag walked on and started several games  at Tech as a true freshman and the 2nd one was a 5 star qb despite being a midget.

[lemonandaturd 4285]

Just stopped in to say OU sucks.

[ClubWhatever 12154]

32 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

Just stopped in to say OU sucks.

This seems correct.  Expanding this line of inquiry to the state as a whole - other than a reserve of fossil fuel which was largely stolen from relocated Indians, the only thing which gives Oklahoma, its university, and its football team any lasting value are their proximity to Texas.  Otherwise they are Kansas or Nebraska.  

[lemonandaturd 4285]

59 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

Just stopped in to say OU sucks.

bags of dicks

[BigHorn'13 3384]

48 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

This seems correct.  Expanding this line of inquiry to the state as a whole - other than a reserve of fossil fuel which was largely stolen from relocated Indians, the only thing which gives Oklahoma, its university, and its football team any lasting value are their proximity to Texas.  Otherwise they are Kansas or Nebraska.  

There's a straight line of "who gives a fuck" states from the Canadian border to the red river. Might as well incorporate them into the dakotas. 

[irishtexan 11522]

This seems correct.  Expanding this line of inquiry to the state as a whole - other than a reserve of fossil fuel which was largely stolen from relocated Indians, the only thing which gives Oklahoma, its university, and its football team any lasting value are their proximity to Texas.  Otherwise they are Kansas or Nebraska.  

That’s quite an insult to Kansas and Nebraska.

[golfclap 6903]

15 hours ago, Buddy Hinton said:

So he took two guys that were nothing special at their previous stops and turned them into Heisman winners and the #1 picks in the NFL, but you can make the argument about his impact on these guys?

Nothing special? Mayfield was the motherfucking Big XII freshman of the year while at Tech. Kyler Murray was the not only a 5 star but the #1 DT QB in the country and fucking undefeated as a high school QB and in his first start at Aggy he ran threw for 223 and ran for 156, putting him in a statical place with only Cam Newtown in the SEC. It's possible to debate and have conversation without blowing smoke out of your ass or trying to pawn either of those guys off as "nothing special in their previous stops". The problem is that you, and every single fucking Dirt Burglar that posts here at Surly, can't even see straight when someone discusses OU in anything other than glowing praise. Easily the worst fanbase on Surly. Worse than the idiotic Aggy that post here, which should be humiliating for you and your toothless brethren but the meth has probably cooked away any pride. 

The funniest thing is that I said "I'm not saying Riley isn't a good offensive coach or QB coach but I could argue with his impact on the 2 first rounders". The reality is that until Riley identifies a QB, recruits him, and then that player goes on to success at OU and in the draft there is a significant question mark to bring to recruits, WHICH WAS IN FACT THE POINT OF MY REPLY IN THE FIRST PLACE. You don't have to like it, but it's fact.

Five seasons in a row with a transfer starting QB at OU, Riley's entire Sooner career. Fact. Austin Kendal transfer. Fact. Riley was a cunty bitch about his transfer. Fact. Chris Robison dismissed from the team. Fact. Jalen Hurts brought in because Riley didn't believe in Kendall. Fact. 

Do you disagree with a single thing there? Do you think that with those indisputable facts that there might be a place for discussion on Riley? Or is your butthurt too strong? 

Oh, and fuck OU. 

[Scholz 11949]

16 hours ago, Buddy Hinton said:

two guys that were nothing special at their previous stops

What?  Ridiculous complete bullshit from a $ooner?  Unpossible.  

[totallynotabuttpirate 5400]

For Buddy. 

He started off trying to hide his true inner sooner, then it progressively came out. By the time he tried to rein it in, it was too late. 

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by totallynotabuttpirate

[Burt Macklin 19038]

8 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

For Buddy. 

He started off trying to his true inner sooner, then it progressively came out. By the time he tried to rein it in, it was too late. 

 

Giving him the final neg to get him to -100 last night was quite enjoyable.

[BigBenBamboozle 1957]

1 hour ago, golfclap said:

The funniest thing is that I said "I'm not saying Riley isn't a good offensive coach or QB coach but I could argue with his impact on the 2 first rounders". The reality is that until Riley identifies a QB, recruits him, and then that player goes on to success at OU and in the draft there is a significant question mark to bring to recruits, WHICH WAS IN FACT THE POINT OF MY REPLY IN THE FIRST PLACE. You don't have to like it, but it's fact.

Five seasons in a row with a transfer starting QB at OU, Riley's entire Sooner career. Fact. Austin Kendal transfer. Fact. Riley was a cunty bitch about his transfer. Fact. Chris Robison dismissed from the team. Fact. Jalen Hurts brought in because Riley didn't believe in Kendall. Fact. 

For our sake, I hope that recruit isn't the Rattler Snake. 

[Machinator 32099]

That's a shame.

Edited April 30, 2019 by Machinator

[randygilman 643]

At least we’re only going to have to play him once per year instead of twice. 

[Fud 9552]

[TommyGufano 6021]

oh my.

Begs the question, does OU have a metroplex recruiting problem?

 

[HtownHorn 14755]

Grinch recruiting going well.

[texifornia 57033]

19 minutes ago, Machinator said:

That's a shame.

Bwahahaha

[totallynotabuttpirate 5400]

So Riley is not "pulling 5* defense players rather than competing with WVU and Tech for defense players like Bob did"? 

[TexasMan 10946]

 

[satyanash 14569]

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

That's a shame.

[VirginiaLonghorn 4780]

10 hours ago, TexasMan said:

 

Ooops ... 🤫

[Bodacious Bevo 3587]

On the Drew Sanders r/CFB thread people are saying that Sanders wants to play LB instead of TE now and that may have something to do with the flip

[texifornia 57033]

4 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

On the Drew Sanders r/CFB thread people are saying that Sanders wants to play LB instead of TE now and that may have something to do with the flip

I'm sure OU would have taken him at LB if that's what he decided. It's not like they have an embarrassment of riches there.

Nah, they just got Sabaned.

[Bodacious Bevo 3587]

10 minutes ago, texifornia said:

I'm sure OU would have taken him at LB if that's what he decided. It's not like they have an embarrassment of riches there.

Nah, they just got Sabaned.

Yeah they're not saying he wasn't a take, but that he may have flipped to play defense for Bama rather than OU

[Constant 6748]

15 minutes ago, texifornia said:

I'm sure OU would have taken him at LB if that's what he decided. It's not like they have an embarrassment of riches there.

Nah, they just got Sabaned.

He needs to retire already. 

[Fud 9552]

48 minutes ago, texifornia said:

I'm sure OU would have taken him at LB if that's what he decided. It's not like they have an embarrassment of riches there.

Nah, they just got Sabaned. 

He'd rather play TE/HB for Riley, and would rather play OLB for Saban. Makes sense. 

[Scholz 11949]

I'm just glad he won't be another jumbo WR like M.Andrews or G.Calcaterra for them against us.  

[Huckleberry 33045]

I imagine it went something like this:

Riley opens his fat mouth about watching the NFL Draft, says his recruiting pitch is asking recruits whether they've watched it the last two years.

Saban calls up Sanders and just says "Well? Did you?"

Sanders flips.

The end.

[Burt Macklin 19038]

2 hours ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

On the Drew Sanders r/CFB thread people are saying that Sanders wants to play LB instead of TE now and that may have something to do with the flip

 

2 hours ago, texifornia said:

I'm sure OU would have taken him at LB if that's what he decided. It's not like they have an embarrassment of riches there.

Nah, they just got Sabaned.

@golfclap, myself and others have talked about this. Riley will always prioritize athletes to offense. It’s part of why fixing OU’s defense isn’t as simple as changing DCs. When your best athletes are moved to O, your practice is set up to cater to the offense, etc., it’s a cultural problem within the program, not just a DC problem.

Good luck with that, Grinch. 

[pacman 7365]

2 hours ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

On the Drew Sanders r/CFB thread people are saying that Sanders wants to play LB instead of TE now and that may have something to do with the flip

Well, that is his exact quote from the espn article. Alabama LBs > OU LBs per Sanders.

Of course, if he was really interested in TE, he would have gone to Iowa.

[SydneyCarton 48134]

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

 

@golfclap, myself and others have talked about this. Riley will always prioritize athletes to offense. It’s part of why fixing OU’s defense isn’t as simple as changing DCs. When your best athletes are moved to O, your practice is set up to cater to the offense, etc., it’s a cultural problem within the program, not just a DC problem.

Good luck with that, Grinch. 

I believe the official term for this is Mackovic'n, or if you're the player in question getting Mackovic'd. 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I believe the official term for this is Mackovic'n, or if you're the player in question getting Mackovic'd. 

I'm pretty sure Tony Brackens has to be involved if you get Mackovic'd, actually.

[sushihorn 3233]

21 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

So Riley is not "pulling 5* defense players rather than competing with WVU and Tech for defense players like Bob did"? 

Sorry to puncture the land thief mythology slash excuse making but in Bob's 2016 class, the top 3 recruits and 4 of the top 5 were on the defensive side of the ball.

https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/Season/2016-Football/Commits/

[sushihorn 3233]

5 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

 

@golfclap, myself and others have talked about this. Riley will always prioritize athletes to offense. It’s part of why fixing OU’s defense isn’t as simple as changing DCs. When your best athletes are moved to O, your practice is set up to cater to the offense, etc., it’s a cultural problem within the program, not just a DC problem.

Good luck with that, Grinch. 

I think Riley may have hired the wrong guy in addition to the systemic issues he creates for his defense.  The high reps vs HUNH creates a lot of bad habits.  The lack of contact in practice tends to manifest as poor tacking and less physicality.  The quick strike offense doesn't control the ball or give the defense a rest and that's true with Riley to an even greater extent than it is for Leach's short passing game. 

On top of that, the more I look at Grinch, the more I think Riley hired the wrong guy.  Even in his one good season at WSU, his unit was gashed by most of the good running teams they faced and especially by those with a true dual threat QB (they were blown out by Arizona and Michigan State).  There were 3 reasons Grinch looked good that year, relatively speaking:

1. The Pac-12 was well into their current decline by then. 

2.  His defense stuffed some real bottom dwellers, especially FCS Montana State and MWC cellar dweller Nevada from their SEC worthy non-conf schedule.  Impressive statistically but not so much if you look at what actually happened.

3. Hercules Mata'afa was able to create an interior pass rush and his quickness was often able to disrupt the blocking and compensate for a scheme whose shifts often left a front that was not gap sound.  Teams that could run the ball feasted on the lack of gap integrity.  Against Zona, Cal, Washington and MSU Grinch's defense looked a lot like Manny _iaz had moved to Pullman.

[Thiefery 5015]

16 hours ago, Walden Ponderer said:

I'm pretty sure Tony Brackens has to be involved if you get Mackovic'd, actually.

Those Black Reeboks were Tough in the 90's

[LTtxfan 49320]

On 4/29/2019 at 8:20 PM, Machinator said:

That's a shame.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/26636464/top-recruit-sanders-switches-ou-alabama

https://247sports.com/Player/Drew-Sanders-45572383/

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20462]

On 4/30/2019 at 6:18 PM, sushihorn said:

Sorry to puncture the land thief mythology slash excuse making but in Bob's 2016 class, the top 3 recruits and 4 of the top 5 were on the defensive side of the ball.

https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/Season/2016-Football/Commits/

 

That's just, like, their opinion, man. 

[Elmer_Fudd 22306]

On the OU Open Post today, Super K said he spoke with Jahari Rogers and asked what happened with OU and he said "no comment".  Damn, sounds like he got Grinch'd and was told to take a hike.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18550]

On 4/30/2019 at 6:44 PM, sushihorn said:

I think Riley may have hired the wrong guy in addition to the systemic issues he creates for his defense.  The high reps vs HUNH creates a lot of bad habits.  The lack of contact in practice tends to manifest as poor tacking and less physicality.  The quick strike offense doesn't control the ball or give the defense a rest and that's true with Riley to an even greater extent than it is for Leach's short passing game. 

On top of that, the more I look at Grinch, the more I think Riley hired the wrong guy.  Even in his one good season at WSU, his unit was gashed by most of the good running teams they faced and especially by those with a true dual threat QB (they were blown out by Arizona and Michigan State).  There were 3 reasons Grinch looked good that year, relatively speaking:

1. The Pac-12 was well into their current decline by then. 

2.  His defense stuffed some real bottom dwellers, especially FCS Montana State and MWC cellar dweller Nevada from their SEC worthy non-conf schedule.  Impressive statistically but not so much if you look at what actually happened.

3. Hercules Mata'afa was able to create an interior pass rush and his quickness was often able to disrupt the blocking and compensate for a scheme whose shifts often left a front that was not gap sound.  Teams that could run the ball feasted on the lack of gap integrity.  Against Zona, Cal, Washington and MSU Grinch's defense looked a lot like Manny _iaz had moved to Pullman.

Grinch wasn't very impressive at Ohio State last year either. And that's with as many bluechips as you are going to find anywhere in the country and against Big 10 offenses. Granted, there was some other shit going on there with his being Co-DC and the Urban Meyer circus, but I don't think there is any way to spin that OSU underachieved last season. They gave up a ton of big plays and had trouble stopping the run.

It's going to be interesting to see how Riley manages that program going forward because he had the skids greased for him when he took over that job. I'm sure, much to my chagrin, that he's going to get it figured out but he hasn't shown any willingness to go outside of his comfort zone with his hires. He's been tied to the hip with Ruffin McNeil (Mike Leach/Tech guy) since day 1. Bennie Wylie was a Mike Leach/Tech guy. Grinch is a Mike Leach/ Washington State guy. If I'm not mistaken, the other new defensive assistants were all Grinch guys from WSU, too. I've said this before, but it looks like he's building Texas Tech in Norman.

[texifornia 57033]

1 minute ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Grinch wasn't very impressive at Ohio State last year either. And that's with as many bluechips as you are going to find anywhere in the country and against Big 10 offenses. Granted, there was some other shit going on there with his being Co-DC and the Urban Meyer circus, but I don't think there is any way to spin that OSU underachieved last season. They gave up a ton of big plays and had trouble stopping the run.

It's going to be interesting to see how Riley manages that program going forward because he had the skids greased for him when he took over that job. I'm sure, much to my chagrin, that he's going to get it figured out but he hasn't shown any willingness to go outside of his comfort zone with his hires. He's been tied to the hip with Ruffin McNeil (Mike Leach/Tech guy) since day 1. Bennie Wylie was a Mike Leach/Tech guy. Grinch is a Mike Leach/ Washington State guy. If I'm not mistaken, the other new defensive assistants were all Grinch guys from WSU, too. I've said this before, but it looks like he's building Texas Tech in Norman.

To be fair, "Mike Leach with 5-star talent" is a prospect the world has wanted to see for a long time.

[BigHorn'13 3384]

That's got to be good for a, what? Like top 80 defense. At least.