OU Recruiting 2020: Everybody Hurts Sometimes

[Ricky's one-hitter 9140]

6 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Definitely going to have to play zone and not blitz 5 very often. We don’t keep any discipline in our rushing lanes when we blitz and Hurts will run all over us if we do. We need to play stout against the traditional run game and make Hurts go through multiple progressions in the pocket and rally to him when he runs. 

It's going to look a lot like what we did against okie light. We'll have more success against the qb run, especially on the edge, but the dline will need to play well again to penetrate and help the lbs. As long as we bracket lamb like wallace, Hurts will have to go through his reads all day which should force at least a couple punts. We should expect a good game for either Rambo or Haselwood and Calcaterra. As long as the offense does what the offense does, I'm pretty confident in our ability to beat them twice. The key will be Coburn and Roach disrupting vertically against a young oline who has looked dominant against their unbelievably soft schedule so far.

[Burt Macklin 19053]

1 hour ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

It's going to look a lot like what we did against okie light. We'll have more success against the qb run, especially on the edge, but the dline will need to play well again to penetrate and help the lbs. As long as we bracket lamb like wallace, Hurts will have to go through his reads all day which should force at least a couple punts. We should expect a good game for either Rambo or Haselwood and Calcaterra. As long as the offense does what the offense does, I'm pretty confident in our ability to beat them twice. The key will be Coburn and Roach disrupting vertically against a young oline who has looked dominant against their unbelievably soft schedule so far.

There’s no way we can bracket Lamb like we did Wallace. That extra defender was available because we could stop the run with 5. That won’t be possible against OU. Plus, Lamb isn’t as dangerous as Wallace and OU has more high quality options it can turn to after Lamb.

We’re going to have to expose our DBs in coverage more against OU than we did okie lite, but if we can take away Hurts’ first option, he hasn’t yet shown the ability to process all the way through his reads to find the mismatch. 

[Ricky's one-hitter 9140]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

That extra defender was available because we could stop the run with 5.

We can still keep one high and play the run with 6, but we stopped the run in most instances because of great dline penetration. Neither of the blou backs are Chuba, either. And Hurts isn't Sanders. I just rewatched that game and the missed tackles are a result of bad angles against superior speed. Land thieves don't have that speed in the backfield, so we can make up space a bit quicker. I wouldn't be surprised to see TO sell out to stop the pass if we have early success against their oline. Their RPO game catching the safeties out of position is the only thing I'm remotely concerned about addressing from their offense. Hurts doesn't have Burrow's arm or Sanders' legs. WRs making plays is the only way they can beat us. 

[Magus Ossis 2841]

They are putting up video game numbers. We have no idea how easily they will score if we take something away from them, because they have 3 RBs averaging over 8 YPC and a QB who has thrown for over 15 yards per attempt and averages one TD every 7 throws (spreading them to 6 different receivers). Our best chance, IMO, to win is to be the stereotypical Herman team-- tough for every second of a big game. Show their new starters and remind the upperclassmen how brutal the game of football can be. It works to our benefit in this regard that they haven't yet played anyone with a pulse. Scheme and execution matter, but if they feel like tapping out, even if only here and there, we are more than half-way to a win.

[Ricky's one-hitter 9140]

1 minute ago, Magus Ossis said:

They are putting up video game numbers.

Against Houston, South Dakota, UCLA, and Tech. 

It's a hell of an offense, but no one has had the horses to move Hurts off his spot, or overwhelm the line to save their lbs on the run. This is not the best team Riley has had, that was last year. 

[Sbbruin 21884]

1 minute ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

Against Houston, South Dakota, UCLA, and Tech. 

Look what we've become.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18573]

15 minutes ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

Against Houston, South Dakota, UCLA, and Tech. 

It's a hell of an offense, but no one has had the horses to move Hurts off his spot, or overwhelm the line to save their lbs on the run. This is not the best team Riley has had, that was last year. 

I just don't know how you say that definitely at this point of the season, one way or the other. On one hand, they look ridiculous on offense but they are playing ridiculously bad competition. Same holds true of their defense -- it looks miles better, but again what can you judge from the competition? We just aren't going to know anything about them until Dallas.

I will say that while Hurts may be the least dangerous of the throwing threats of the three QBs they've had recently (and that isn't necessarily a slight against him, the other two were fucking witches), he is by far the most likely to provide the general intangibles and leadership you ideally look for in a QB. If you are going to go to war and your options are world's largest douchebag behind door #1 and entitled midget pussy behind door #2, I think I would be inclined to go with the slightly less talented guy residing behind door #3.

[Atticus 3990]

He’s not a better leader for that team than Mayfield.
He’s an experienced guy who is used to playing with great advantages. He has always looked dominant against overmatched opponents and underwhelming against just about everyone else.
He’s gonna be able to take a beating if we rough him up, but he won’t be going Burrow on us if we can get pressure.

[Burt Macklin 19053]

2 hours ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

We can still keep one high and play the run with 6, but we stopped the run in most instances because of great dline penetration. Neither of the blou backs are Chuba, either. And Hurts isn't Sanders. I just rewatched that game and the missed tackles are a result of bad angles against superior speed. Land thieves don't have that speed in the backfield, so we can make up space a bit quicker. I wouldn't be surprised to see TO sell out to stop the pass if we have early success against their oline. Their RPO game catching the safeties out of position is the only thing I'm remotely concerned about addressing from their offense. Hurts doesn't have Burrow's arm or Sanders' legs. WRs making plays is the only way they can beat us. 

This is way off. TO always takes away the run first and “selling out to stop the pass” would get us killed in the run game. Hurts is a damn good runner and he’s way more of a threat to run designed plays than the previous two QBs. We’ll have to account for him in the run game in a way we haven’t had to in OU’s offense before. Overall, their run game is way more of a threat than you’re making it out to be. Hurts is a better runner than Sanders and OU’s OL is way better than okie lite’s. You can’t play the run with as light of a box and you have to have a man for Hurts running. 

1 hour ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

Against Houston, South Dakota, UCLA, and Tech. 

It's a hell of an offense, but no one has had the horses to move Hurts off his spot, or overwhelm the line to save their lbs on the run. This is not the best team Riley has had, that was last year. 

You have no clue if this is true. You’re assuming the offense has weaknesses that haven’t been shown yet and If their defense goes from god awful to below average this year, then it very well may be the best team he’s had.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Burt Macklin

[SydneyCarton 48169]

34 minutes ago, Atticus said:

He’s not a better leader for that team than Mayfield.
He’s an experienced guy who is used to playing with great advantages. He has always looked dominant against overmatched opponents and underwhelming against just about everyone else.
He’s gonna be able to take a beating if we rough him up, but he won’t be going Burrow on us if we can get pressure.

I'm going with Mitch, at this point we can't say shit definitively. Burrow wasn't going to go Burrow on us either because he was a shittier version of Ehlinger in every regard all game week and leading up to the game. Right until he wasn't and he became a fucking surgeon all over the field in the face of pressure. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by SydneyCarton

[HtownHorn 14777]

On 9/23/2019 at 8:27 AM, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Nah, they'll turtle against OU like they aways do. Every team gets up for us and then folds against OU. 

The KSU game is the reason why Gundy turtled against us. Sanders is a really good athlete right now, but he makes a lot of bad decisions. Maybe he will be better at the end of the season, but the kid that played against Texas/KSU will make more than enough mistakes for OU to roll in that game.

Edited October 1, 2019 by HtownHorn

[Ricky's one-hitter 9140]

You have no clue if this is true. You’re assuming the offense has weaknesses that haven’t been shown yet and If their defense goes from god awful to below average this year, then it very well may be the best team he’s had.

You like hurts A LOT more than I do.

[Katfid54 8635]

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

This is way off. TO always takes away the run first and “selling out to stop the pass” would get us killed in the run game. Hurts is a damn good runner and he’s way more of a threat to run designed plays than the previous two QBs. We’ll have to account for him in the run game in a way we haven’t had to in OU’s offense before. Overall, their run game is way more of a threat than you’re making it out to be. Hurts is a better runner than Sanders and OU’s OL is way better than okie lite’s. You can’t play the run with as light of a box and you have to have a man for Hurts running. 

I think you're overstimating OU's OL and running game.  I also think you're understimating the pressure OU's QB counter scheme put on defenses with Kyler.  And you're understimating the benefit of having Hollywood Brown standing at the LOS, ready to go from 0-60 the moment the ball is flipped to him in the flat.

This is Riley's worst offense at OU--and it's not close.  No idea whether the D is any better or not.  Sure didn't look like it against an outmatched UH team that has since repeatedly shit the bed.

Hurts is and will always be a threat to beat us with his legs, because he can get the hard yards that Kyler/Baker would never try for.  But this offense is significantly less lethal than any other OU offense of the past four-ish years.

[Magus Ossis 2841]

1 hour ago, Katfid54 said:

I think you're overstimating OU's OL and running game.  I also think you're understimating the pressure OU's QB counter scheme put on defenses with Kyler.  And you're understimating the benefit of having Hollywood Brown standing at the LOS, ready to go from 0-60 the moment the ball is flipped to him in the flat.

This is Riley's worst offense at OU--and it's not close.  No idea whether the D is any better or not.  Sure didn't look like it against an outmatched UH team that has since repeatedly shit the bed.

Hurts is and will always be a threat to beat us with his legs, because he can get the hard yards that Kyler/Baker would never try for.  But this offense is significantly less lethal than any other OU offense of the past four-ish years.

I agree that it looks that way to you.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

I don't know jack about OU's relative strength or weakness compared to previous seasons, but I do know you play the run first, but you don't do it with "a heavy box". 5 guys are plenty.

Will it work? Dunno. But I ain't skeert.

[HenryJames 66170]

Your mom’s box was heavy last night.

Because there were so many guys in it.

[sushihorn 3233]

10 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

Definitely going to have to play zone and not blitz 5 very often. We don’t keep any discipline in our rushing lanes when we blitz and Hurts will run all over us if we do. We need to play stout against the traditional run game and make Hurts go through multiple progressions in the pocket and rally to him when he runs. 

Stunt or fire zone to create inside pressure and flush him.  He's got speed but not much quickness outside the pocket so good angles by the spy and secondary should usher him out for short gains when he scrambles.  Just can't let him break straight upfield or let him out with time to set his feet and throw.

[GotThatFire 166]

My FIL bought my newborn daughter a onesie that said “fresh out the box”.  A little weird, but he’s fun. 

[sushihorn 3233]

23 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

I don't know jack about OU's relative strength or weakness compared to previous seasons, but I do know you play the run first, but you don't do it with "a heavy box". 5 guys are plenty.

Will it work? Dunno. But I ain't skeert.

OU's most dangerous running play is the Counter Trey.  It's slow developing by definition with a huge OT pulling all the way across the formation.  That's why ISU defended OU so much better than than they did vs Texas.  The 3 defenders coming up from depth in run support need time to get there.  Counter Trey gives them that time.  Tight zone and power/iso don't.  Texas can probably play base dime with the Joker coming downhill right into the pulling guard's inside hip.  See what he's kicking out for.  In the Army we used to call that reconnaissance by fire.

[Machinator 32099]

As if taking Donnell Harris from under A&M's nose wasn't enough, LSU just offered this OU commit: https://247sports.com/player/edgerrin-cooper-46058718/

[Elmer_Fudd 22316]

2 minutes ago, Machinator said:

As if taking Donnell Harris from under A&M's nose wasn't enough, LSU just offered this OU commit: https://247sports.com/player/edgerrin-cooper-46058718/

Already got a flip pick from Billy Embody.

[Getafix 28794]

3 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Already got a flip pick from Billy Embody.

- Embody's notes

***********************

"This one has been in the works for a bit now, but Covington (La.) OLB Edgerrin Cooper picked up an LSU offer. I’ve put my Crystal Ball on LSU."

"My bet is Harris/Cooper as far as OLB guys.
Touched base with Cooper. We’re talking tomorrow. Says a ton going on right now, but excited about the offer."

******************************

Am assuming he means he expects LSU to get both Harris and Cooper.

(In other words - Embody predicting errybody.)

 

[Machinator 32099]

Looks like he's going to Ohio State.

 

[Pato del Muerto 52596]

That’s a shame

[Funk Doctor Spock 12511]

29 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Looks like he's going to Ohio State.

 

Damn. We're all sad. And here they lauded Grinch as the second coming of Brent V. 

[CHEF RIBS W/ THE HAMM YALL 1268]

 

This has layers. 

[Goodman 3273]

33 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Looks like he's going to Ohio State.

 

Good & I'll gladly welcome Washington back into our DB class.

[LTtxfan 49353]

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

Looks like he's going to Ohio State.

 

Losing Watts makes blOU depth chart better for Josh Eaton... gonna be even more of a dogfight with Texas.

[texifornia 57096]

9 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Losing Watts makes blOU depth chart better for Josh Eaton... gonna be even more of a dogfight with Texas.

I don't know if losing a commitment ever really makes a school look better for a priority recruit. Most competitive people want to be a part of something on the upswing.

[Fud 9554]

Edgerrin Cooper is OU's third highest rated defensive commit

He'd be 10th (last) in Texas' class, or 11th if you want to count Collins

I'd love to flip Washington; that would really fuck up their shitty defensive class 

[Burt Macklin 19053]

2 hours ago, Fud said:

Edgerrin Cooper is OU's third highest rated defensive commit

He'd be 10th (last) in Texas' class, or 11th if you want to count Collins

I'd love to flip Washington; that would really fuck up their shitty defensive class 

Their defensive recruiting was bad before losing Watt and maybe Cooper. If they lose both of them, then that is one of the shittiest defensive hauls in a top 10 or 15 class ever. With Cooper, they only have 5/17 commits on defense and only 2 are 4 stars. They have one ATH (Graham) who could be either CB or WR, but with Riley, I’ll bet he’s a WR first. 

[Elmer_Fudd 22316]

2 hours ago, Fud said:

Edgerrin Cooper is OU's third highest rated defensive commit

He'd be 10th (last) in Texas' class, or 11th if you want to count Collins

I'd love to flip Washington; that would really fuck up their shitty defensive class 

They are going after several JUCO DL.  They lose Gallimore, Overton, and Mann after this season.

[Burt Macklin 19053]

1 minute ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

They are going after several JUCO DL.  They lose Gallimore, Overton, and Mann after this season.

They already have the top ranked JUCO DT in the country. They’re going to have a hard time getting multiple quality JUCO DTs in one class.

[irishtexan 11522]

3 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

They are going after several JUCO DL.  They lose Gallimore, Overton, and Mann after this season.

Just go get a bunch of JUCO studs. Problem solved. Simple as that. 

[texifornia 57096]

9 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

Just go get a bunch of JUCO studs. Problem solved. Simple as that. 

It worked so well for Charlie Weis and David Beaty!

[Fud 9554]

31 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

They are going after several JUCO DL.  They lose Gallimore, Overton, and Mann after this season.

They lost a few DL to attrition, so that makes sense 

[Mdhorn 5987]

They'll start tampering with players on other programs in the hopes they'll transfer portal into ou's program.

[Goodman 3273]

2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

They already have the top ranked JUCO DT in the country. They’re going to have a hard time getting multiple quality JUCO DTs in one class.

[LTtxfan 49353]

6 hours ago, Goodman said:

 

Complements of BIG RED Sports/Imports....

 

[LTtxfan 49353]

23 hours ago, texifornia said:

I don't know if losing a commitment ever really makes a school look better for a priority recruit. Most competitive people want to be a part of something on the upswing.

I usually agree with yah @texifornia but in this instance your statement is too extreme and therefore incorrect.

Lots of players want to start at blOU as soon as they can.  Eaton may really like that blOU has one less player in their depth chart with Watts leaving.

[Thiefery 5017]

58 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

I usually agree with yah @texifornia but in this instance your statement is too extreme and therefore incorrect.

Lots of players want to start at blOU as soon as they can.  Eaton may really like that blOU has one less player in their depth chart with Watts leaving.

Going to suck for him. He needs a RS season for as raw as he is technically.  

[texifornia 57096]

Lol this is Alan Hale, an OU247 mod. This is some sad sad stuff.

Spoiler

The OU - Texas games usually manage to spawn the unexpected. In some ways due to the intense rivalry that generally gives the underdog a dose of ‘super powers’ like a can of Popeye spinach. The underdog can gamble, the favorite must play it safe. And then there’s the curious but accepted ‘referee factor’ that favors the Horns nine times out of ten. Where was the instant reply when Keith Stanberry left 10 feet of skid marks in the endzone? (Heck, where were the refs? Right, standing 3 feet away).


But let’s fast forward to now.

On Saturday, the Longhorns found themselves in a dogfight on the road at West Virginia, only leading by one score entering the third quarter. Austin Kendall, (our former back-up since traded to West Virginia for Jalen Hurts), coughed up four oskies to the Horns Saturday, (and usually a turn-over results in a 3 - 7 point swing). Yet despite four gifts, UT was only able to squeeze out an 11 point win after West Virginia jumped out to a 14-7 lead.

Texas coach Tom Herman praised his defense for making key plays when West Virginia had a chance to retake the lead after halftime. That came as the Longhorns' offense sputtered, punting on four of its first five drives in the second half while also having to overcome an Ehlinger interception.

''We knew this was going to be a really tough environment,'' Herman said. Note to PeeWee: Morgantown is tough, but it ain’t the Cotton Bowl.

However the Sooners, who were as lethargic as the weather in Lawrence, didn’t exactly blow the doors off anyone, (although it was a much better outcome than last year, when OU allowed 40 points in a 15 point win). A few missing starters on the O-line will have Bill Bedenbaugh checking the medical reports on the hour as the Sooners O-line missed numerous blocking assignments, but somehow managed to overcome a laundry list of penalties and beat a Kansas team that may not be as good as the Mountaineers.

Even with erratic play and an obvious effort by KU to run clock, OU still amassed 545 yards, and Lincoln Riley noted that there was plenty of good mixed in with the bad: "What's exciting is you see glimpses of what it can be, and it's on us to turn those glimpses into longer stretches of dominant play," Riley said afterward.

So yes, the Texas defense will be tough. ‘Sam the Man’ will bulldoze his way to numerous first downs, probably a couple of TD’s as well. There will be some disgusting calls, most likely on Parnell Motley, who has the propensity to draw yellow hankies like a magnet, however, from this position, I cannot see Jalen Hurts throwing four picks.

Without the ‘Ref Factor’ this should be a three touchdown OU win, but I suspect the refs will show and we’ll have a dogfight to the finish

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by texifornia

[Burt Macklin 19053]

1 minute ago, texifornia said:

Lol this is Joey Heimer, an OU mod. This is some sad sad stuff.

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The OU - Texas games usually manage to spawn the unexpected. In some ways due to the intense rivalry that generally gives the underdog a dose of ‘super powers’ like a can of Popeye spinach. The underdog can gamble, the favorite must play it safe. And then there’s the curious but accepted ‘referee factor’ that favors the Horns nine times out of ten. Where was the instant reply when Keith Stanberry left 10 feet of skid marks in the endzone? (Heck, where were the refs? Right, standing 3 feet away).


But let’s fast forward to now.

On Saturday, the Longhorns found themselves in a dogfight on the road at West Virginia, only leading by one score entering the third quarter. Austin Kendall, (our former back-up since traded to West Virginia for Jalen Hurts), coughed up four oskies to the Horns Saturday, (and usually a turn-over results in a 3 - 7 point swing). Yet despite four gifts, UT was only able to squeeze out an 11 point win after West Virginia jumped out to a 14-7 lead.

Texas coach Tom Herman praised his defense for making key plays when West Virginia had a chance to retake the lead after halftime. That came as the Longhorns' offense sputtered, punting on four of its first five drives in the second half while also having to overcome an Ehlinger interception.

''We knew this was going to be a really tough environment,'' Herman said. Note to PeeWee: Morgantown is tough, but it ain’t the Cotton Bowl.

However the Sooners, who were as lethargic as the weather in Lawrence, didn’t exactly blow the doors off anyone, (although it was a much better outcome than last year, when OU allowed 40 points in a 15 point win). A few missing starters on the O-line will have Bill Bedenbaugh checking the medical reports on the hour as the Sooners O-line missed numerous blocking assignments, but somehow managed to overcome a laundry list of penalties and beat a Kansas team that may not be as good as the Mountaineers.

Even with erratic play and an obvious effort by KU to run clock, OU still amassed 545 yards, and Lincoln Riley noted that there was plenty of good mixed in with the bad: "What's exciting is you see glimpses of what it can be, and it's on us to turn those glimpses into longer stretches of dominant play," Riley said afterward.

So yes, the Texas defense will be tough. ‘Sam the Man’ will bulldoze his way to numerous first downs, probably a couple of TD’s as well. There will be some disgusting calls, most likely on Parnell Motley, who has the propensity to draw yellow hankies like a magnet, however, from this position, I cannot see Jalen Hurts throwing four picks.

Without the ‘Ref Factor’ this should be a three touchdown OU win, but I suspect the refs will show and we’ll have a dogfight to the finish

 

Pathetic Sooner trash.

How in the fuck is an OU mod talking about the “ref factor” that much? Where all these clearly biased UT calls aggy and OU losers keep talking about? I’ve yet to see hardly any of them. 

[Tex Pete 20468]

We’re the only team I’ve ever seen have pass plays repeatedly reviewed for OPI in front of the play- something OU has done for years. Not to mention OU’s incessant holding. And anyone who saw OU play Kansas saw Kansas get called for a late hit out of bounds when the play was still live and the player was completely in bounds  

OU fans can fuck themselves. They whine more than any winning fanbase out there. It’s 9:44, and OU still sucks!

Edited October 7, 2019 by Tex Pete

[Scholz 11959]

OU fans are lying retards.  They use a single Keith Stanberry play in 1984 to constantly lie about the 'ref factor'.  NOBODY in the country holds more than those cheating clowns and they never get called for it.  By that I mean holding by their OL, WRs and DBs.  Every play.  STFU, retarded $ooner bitch.

[Chopper 17245]

I've lost track - is Alan Hale the convicted felon and drug addict?

[texifornia 57096]

2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I've lost track - is Alan Hale the convicted felon and drug addict?

Hm, I just went off of LHF's Tweet, but it's probably James Hale, who is the felon. @Longhornfrenzy, is that right?

[Longhornfrenzy 5838]

1 minute ago, texifornia said:

Hm, I just went off of LHF's Tweet, but it's probably James Hale, who is the felon. @Longhornfrenzy, is that right?

James Hale is prison boy

[Pato del Muerto 52596]

He doesn’t see hurts throwing 4 picks, well I don’t see the ou defense forcing 4 punts on the first 5 possessions of the second half. 

And a Kansas team that might be worse than wvu?

he apparently thinks the game on Saturday is as well as Texas is capable of playing. 

[texifornia 57096]

Silent for them