2019 Oscar Talk

[Go Pokes 979]

Just so that you soccer fans know, when the Academy Awards come around, I root for the Mexicans over the US side.

Frontrunner. Probably a Patriots fan too.

[4th&Five 41565]

 

[Hagbard Celine 10880]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

ok, so on this subject - the wife is in fashion pr,

mother of god!  what are you doing?  you have access to an unlimited network of 5-star strange and you got hitched.

oh the humanity.

[Hagbard Celine 10880]

55 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Is there an explanation/theory for why the stars weren’t there?

orange man.

orange man bad.

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

add robert downey jr, will smith, the rock, margot robbie, mcconaughey, (was steve carrell even there?  he had a busy year), sandra bullock, angelina jolie, johnny depp, ryan reynolds, mark wahlberg, meryl streep, matt damon, ben affleck...

outside of nominees like cooper and bale - i think the biggest stars there were daniel craig and julia roberts.

even the red carpet stuff (which i was forced to watch hours of) was pretty quiet and awkward.

Word.  Are they boycotting or has it just gotten that lame?

Also, not sure Daniel Craig even counts, as he's married to one of the noms. 

[Hagbard Celine 10880]

I must add that invoking our current post-fact-civilization paradigm in no way invalidates my nationalist snowdenist hamiltonian credentials.  Or the fact that I'm a properly dunked Southern Baptist Marxist-Leninist Atheist Discordian.

Praise Bob.  Praise the Laser Projekt.

/no cr

[Hagbard Celine 10880]

1 minute ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Word.  Are they boycotting or has it just gotten that lame?

Also, not sure Daniel Craig even counts, as he's married to one of the noms. 

The invisible stars, the chosen presenters, and the 'elected' winners, and most importantly NO HOST AT ALL, combine to deliver the message.

Now, the Warren Commission might find a way to declare no shenanigans, but if you have a 20th-century pre-post-fact-era frame of reference, it was pretty apparent by 715pm last night.

[henrygandorf 29194]

10 minutes ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Also, not sure Daniel Craig even counts, as he's married to one of the noms. 

excellent point.  he likely wouldn't have come or presented otherwise.  pretty sad.

[mchookem 16338]

yes, it was very apparent, but i still don't get what 'the message' might be...🤨

[Spankytoes 1742]

2 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

Racially-tinged movies are only acceptable to the activists if they portray minorities as victims overcoming their opressors and nothing more.

Unless Tarintino puts too many N-words in there. Then Spike Lee gonna Spike Lee

[Surly Bevo 25075]

Took a year but they all realized that they don't have to go kiss Harvey Weinstein's wrinkled bloated ass anymore so they all found better things to do.  

[XYZ 2154]

35 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

The invisible stars, the chosen presenters, and the 'elected' winners, and most importantly NO HOST AT ALL, combine to deliver the message.

Sorry, I have a thick skull. What is the message? And whom is it for?

[SimonBolivar 10958]

19 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

I would assume it’s something political, but I would be more entertained if they were protesting Netflix taking over the industry or showing their haughty indignation at Marvel movies being nominated for Best Picture.

Roma was the favourite coming into the night. So maybe you'll get your wish yet.

[Biff Tannen 45692]

Whatevs.  I liked Green Book.  I was entertained.

[woohorn 1131]

So this didn't work out?  

Nope. Figure it was a scheme by some bettors to get better odds for Cuaron rather than a ploy by books for cash because their handle on Oscar props is pretty negligible (max bets usu $250 or lower).

Twitters are blaming/crediting AnonymousGamblr who claimed he actually saw several new accounts (from CS of all places) go all in for Yorgos, but then made a smartass tweet about deserving and Oscar himself

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

3 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

ok, so i saw all the spike lee drama, specifically his quote about whenever he loses, it's about someone driving someone around (insinuating that he previously lost to driving miss daisy).  i just assumed he was historically accurate with that tidbit, but just looked it up anyway.

miss daisy won best picture in 1989, beating out 4 other nominees, none of which were "do the right thing".  spike also lost best original screenplay in 1989, losing to dead poets society.  driving miss daisy's script won best adapted screenplay.  still wondering when they went head to head and he lost.  maybe the globes, but i'm too lazy to look that shit up.

I'm going to assume he feels the movie should have been nominated for Best Picture, which it was at the Globes.  A lot of black movie critics or historians are pretty critical of Driving Miss Daisy and let's face it, it's considered one of the Oscars many poor awards which didn't hold up.  There is some thought the controversy around DTRT, it's critical look at race relations and Lee's criticism of "white critics" who didn't give the movie the respect he thought it should engender is what kept Lee from getting nominated as Director, actor, or it getting a Best Movie nom.  But your post is definitely valid.  If anything DMD upset Born on the Fourth of July (Globes) or Dead Poets Society (BAFTA's), which were getting most of the buzz.  Personally, I thought Glory was the best movie of that year....

It's a bad look for Spike and makes him look like a whiner..... lose with dignity.  You do yourself no favors the next time you're in that position.

 

[woohorn 1131]

Here is the explanation tweet about CS:

[TrashMaster G 17568]

53 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I'm going to assume he feels the movie should have been nominated for Best Picture, which it was at the Globes.  A lot of black movie critics or historians are pretty critical of Driving Miss Daisy and let's face it, it's considered one of the Oscars many poor awards which didn't hold up.  There is some thought the controversy around DTRT, it's critical look at race relations and Lee's criticism of "white critics" who didn't give the movie the respect he thought it should engender is what kept Lee from getting nominated as Director, actor, or it getting a Best Movie nom.  But your post is definitely valid.  If anything DMD upset Born on the Fourth of July (Globes) or Dead Poets Society (BAFTA's), which were getting most of the buzz.  Personally, I thought Glory was the best movie of that year....

It's a bad look for Spike and makes him look like a whiner..... lose with dignity.  You do yourself no favors the next time you're in that position.

 

I agree completely about Glory.

And Spike is a whiner.  And a loser.  And a poor loser.

Add all that up, and he's a little bitch.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

4 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

ok, so i saw all the spike lee drama, specifically his quote about whenever he loses, it's about someone driving someone around (insinuating that he previously lost to driving miss daisy).  i just assumed he was historically accurate with that tidbit, but just looked it up anyway.

miss daisy won best picture in 1989, beating out 4 other nominees, none of which were "do the right thing".  spike also lost best original screenplay in 1989, losing to dead poets society.  driving miss daisy's script won best adapted screenplay.  still wondering when they went head to head and he lost.  maybe the globes, but i'm too lazy to look that shit up.

Take it for what you will, but there''s this general buzz idea around the internet that DTRT was the best picture of 1989, and it didn't get nominated because it made too many people uncomfortable.  Instead, the film that did win the Oscar that year dealt with the same topic -race relations- but did so in a more wholesome, non-controversial, and "palatable to white people" way.  It's a film that, so the argument goes, white people liked but black people found insulting and pandering.

So fast forward 30 years.  This time Spike Lee's movie does get nominated, but loses out to another film that dealt with race relations in a more wholesome, non-controversial, and "palatable to white people" way. Again, so the argument goes, the winner was a movie that white people like but black people find insulting and pandering. 

FWIW, Chadwick Boseman and Jordan Peele reacted negatively to the announcement, just not as histrionically and childishly as Spike Lee did.  But my guess is that Spike Lee is OK with being the baby if it makes us all talk about the issue - which it did.

Also FWIW, I actually thought the "I lose every time someone's driving someone" was a great line.

[Sbbruin 21864]

25 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

I agree completely about Glory.

 

One of my top 7 or 8 movies of all time.

 

There a scene in there that reminds me of this place.

Shaw: It stinks, I suppose.

Trip: Yeah, it stinks bad.  And we all covered up in it.  Ain't nobody clean.

 

Edited February 25, 2019 by Sbbruin

[TrashMaster G 17568]

16 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Take it for what you will, but there''s this general buzz idea around the internet that DTRT was the best picture of 1989, and it didn't get nominated because it made too many people uncomfortable.  Instead, the film that did win the Oscar that year dealt with the same topic -race relations- but did so in a more wholesome, non-controversial, and "palatable to white people" way.  It's a film that, so the argument goes, white people liked but black people found insulting and pandering.

So fast forward 30 years.  This time Spike Lee's movie does get nominated, but loses out to another film that dealt with race relations in a more wholesome, non-controversial, and "palatable to white people" way. Again, so the argument goes, the winner was a movie that white people like but black people find insulting and pandering. 

FWIW, Chadwick Boseman and Jordan Peele reacted negatively to the announcement, just not as histrionically and childishly as Spike Lee did.  But my guess is that Spike Lee is OK with being the baby if it makes us all talk about the issue - which it did.

Also FWIW, I actually thought the "I lose every time someone's driving someone" was a great line.

That all may or may not be true.  It certainly fits in with a lot of the bitching I see in various stories and columns online today.  

The missing element in ALL of the commentary is any talk about how GOOD the movies were.  Nothing at all.

I think Spike Lee's movies are crap.  Obviously, a lot of people disagree with me, and that's fine.  But still, all the talk completely disregards the acting, the scripts, the directing, etc.  What that makes obvious is one thing:  This is all about agendas.  And for my money, fuck that.

[henrygandorf 29194]

16 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Take it for what you will, but there''s this general buzz idea around the internet that DTRT was the best picture of 1989, and it didn't get nominated because it made too many people uncomfortable.  Instead, the film that did win the Oscar that year dealt with the same topic -race relations- but did so in a more wholesome, non-controversial, and "palatable to white people" way.  It's a film that, so the argument goes, white people liked but black people found insulting and pandering.

So fast forward 30 years.  This time Spike Lee's movie does get nominated, but loses out to another film that dealt with race relations in a more wholesome, non-controversial, and "palatable to white people" way. Again, so the argument goes, the winner was a movie that white people like but black people find insulting and pandering. 

FWIW, Chadwick Boseman and Jordan Peele reacted negatively to the announcement, just not as histrionically and childishly as Spike Lee did.  But my guess is that Spike Lee is OK with being the baby if it makes us all talk about the issue - which it did.

Also FWIW, I actually thought the "I lose every time someone's driving someone" was a great line.

i agree on the issue and the great line.  and do the right thing might be my favorite movie of 1989, and definitely my favorite spike lee movie.  i guess when i saw him make the comparison, i assumed he finished in 2nd place* (or at least thought he did thru being nominated).  i don't think blackkklansman finished in 2nd place either.

*i realize this isn't the heisman and we won't ever see voting, but in most years where people think someone got "robbed" or something, there's a two-horse race like saving private ryan/shakespeare in love.  was just interested to learn it wasn't nominated.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

2 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

That all may or may not be true.  It certainly fits in with a lot of the bitching I see in various stories and columns online today.  

The missing element in ALL of the commentary is any talk about how GOOD the movies were.  Nothing at all.

I think Spike Lee's movies are crap.  Obviously, a lot of people disagree with me, and that's fine.  But still, all the talk completely disregards the acting, the scripts, the directing, etc.  What that makes obvious is one thing:  This is all about agendas.  And for my money, fuck that.

I can't actually comment because I didn't see either Blackkklansman or Green Book.  The Favourite was great but silly, Black Panther is a fucking superhero movie, Bohemian Rhapsody was a bit by-the-numbers and sugary, A Star is Born even more so, Roma was dull as dirt, Vice just wasn't very good.  So, I don't know. 

I'd have given it to Eighth Grade, which wasn't nominated.

[tantric superman 4667]

Spike Lee's movies like Do the Right Thing and Jungle Fever have an agenda but some of them like Inside Man, and even movies like Clockers and this one seem pretty straightforward.  

I saw Blackkklansman as relatively benign in terms of having an agenda.  It's the Klan.  I thought it was generally pretty funny, and other than that, seemed like a straight storytelling without any preaching.

I like Spike Lee.  When he makes obvious directorial flourishes they are so obvious its as if he wants to let you in on the joke (when he does that thing with people walking/riding in cart) but often he kind of stands back.  A guy like Scorsese injects himself into every frame of the film, and that's usually great. 

Spike shows a lot of discretion in some of his films, I think. 

 

[TrashMaster G 17568]

1 hour ago, tantric superman said:

Spike Lee's movies like Do the Right Thing and Jungle Fever have an agenda but some of them like Inside Man, and even movies like Clockers and this one seem pretty straightforward.  

I saw Blackkklansman as relatively benign in terms of having an agenda.  It's the Klan.  I thought it was generally pretty funny, and other than that, seemed like a straight storytelling without any preaching.

I like Spike Lee.  When he makes obvious directorial flourishes they are so obvious its as if he wants to let you in on the joke (when he does that thing with people walking/riding in cart) but often he kind of stands back.  A guy like Scorsese injects himself into every frame of the film, and that's usually great. 

Spike shows a lot of discretion in some of his films, I think. 

 

When I mentioned agendas, I wasn't talking about the films themselves.  I'm referring to all the talk about which movie SHOULD have won.

[Richard Kimball 1496]

Didn't watch. Did they do anything to honor Stan Lee? His characters have been responsible for about 50% of all movie profits over the last ten years. 

[Go Pokes 979]

Didn't watch. Did they do anything to honor Stan Lee? His characters have been responsible for about 50% of all movie profits over the last ten years. 

Nope. Nothing extra other than showing up in the dead people montage

[Michael Knight 12989]

Spike wasn't upset when Cuaron won best director, if any other movie had won he wouldn't have reacted the same way. I thought Green Book was fine and Vigo and Ali were both great in it. But reading more about the author and how he's handled things can turn some people off.

[Trey3216 15349]

1 hour ago, Go Pokes said:

 

Nope. Nothing extra other than showing up in the dead people montage

 

Pretty much this.  And they left several noticeable names off the dead people montage as well, like R. Lee Ermey.  

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5 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

There a scene in there that reminds me of this place.

Shaw: It stinks, I suppose.

Trip: Yeah, it stinks bad.  And we all covered up in it.  Ain't nobody clean.

 

That's why I ante up and kick in

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2 hours ago, Richard Kimball said:

Didn't watch. Did they do anything to honor Stan Lee? His characters have been responsible for about 50% of all movie profits over the last ten years. 

As a huge Marvel comics fan as a kid, it blows me away how important he is to current movie culture.  I've forgotten some of what I originally read, but it's fun to have conversations with my kids about how the characters in the movies compare to the original comics, story arcs, etc.  

In retrospect Stan Lee's imagination and creativity is colossal.  He created a universe of characters, using different artists, and sold them for 12-25 cents at 7-11 or Circle K.  I'm glad he was able to see his work turn into a powerhouse.

 

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[kingkoopa6 8372]

1 hour ago, Trey3216 said:

Pretty much this.  And they left several noticeable names off the dead people montage as well, like R. Lee Ermey.  

Yea they fucked that up. And mini me too. 

 

[DougO 5251]

Didn't watch, but it looks like they figured out that even no host at all is light years better than Jimmy Kimmel.

[Trey3216 15349]

6 hours ago, kingkoopa6 said:

Yea they fucked that up. And mini me too. 

 

Yep

[futureman 22496]

17 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

 

It's a bad look for Spike and makes him look like a whiner..... lose with dignity.  You do yourself no favors the next time you're in that position.

maybe if spike had paid attention to green book he’d have learned something about dignity. 

[tantric superman 4667]

Pretty good podcast today on the NYT Daily.  When all is said and done, you can really get the idea that many black people would be tired and insulted by the messages of Driving Miss Daisy being sold over and over again. 

How you handle your reaction to it is a separate debate, but I could see getting pissed off if people of my national origin kept seeing a message that they see as actually harmful to their identity as being peddled again and again. 

So, I see your point, let's make it a teaching moment, because in this context, anything more strident than talking about you concerns is not going to play well.  I feel for you, but that's just the way it is.

[mdmost 43007]

I really wish Roma had won just to watch people go apeshit that a film acted 99.9% in Spanish won Best Picture. 

[MissingInAction 25116]

I wish it would have won because it absolutely deserved it.

[TrashMaster G 17568]

Just now, MissingInAction said:

I wish it would have won because it absolutely deserved it.

I'm glad it didn't win because it absolutely didn't deserve it.

[MissingInAction 25116]

You mom absolutely deserved it last night. 

Edited February 26, 2019 by MissingInAction

[C-Man 27235]

 

WTF was that?

[tigol 2398]

2 hours ago, C-Man said:

 

WTF was that?

 

No shit.

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[ztejas 43496]

On 2/25/2019 at 4:01 PM, Liquor and Poker said:

I can't actually comment because I didn't see either Blackkklansman or Green Book.  The Favourite was great but silly, Black Panther is a fucking superhero movie, Bohemian Rhapsody was a bit by-the-numbers and sugary, A Star is Born even more so, Roma was dull as dirt, Vice just wasn't very good.  So, I don't know. 

I'd have given it to Eighth Grade, which wasn't nominated.

Yeah this is kind of my take but probably a little less harsh across the board. I just don't care that much considering the field was so weak. Cuaron deserved director. Cool to see Ali win another one. Also a big Malek fan. 

Felt a little like 2009 where nothing was really clear cut (although I'd take District 9 over the field that year) so they were like "fuck it, first female director. Also you're a dick Cameron"

[MissingInAction 25116]

So, is it clear why no one was there? Was it an organized protest of some shit? I am genuinely curious...

[Gene Parmesan 4008]

2 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

So, is it clear why no one was there? Was it an organized protest of some shit? I am genuinely curious...

If it was a protest no one having a clue would kind of defeat the purpose.  I just think the general lack of star studded nominated movies pretty much means the lack of stars in the audience.  I'm sure Hanks and such have missed plenty academy awards that they weren't a part of.

[Queen Bitch 1692]

If there was some protest we'd know about it. I bet it was more an attempt by producers / ABC to get 'hip, young' presenters to capture younger viewers -- Marvel folk, Awkwafina, Tessa Thompson,  Bryan Tyree Henry, et al. (Not that anyone tunes into a 3+ hour show to see a celeb do a bit for 90 seconds, but try as they might!)

Downside of course is you don't get the star-wattage to just show up for no reason. If Meryl, Angelina, T. Hanks have no duties / aren't nominated, they probably just wanna watch on their couch same as the rest of us (if at all?)

[smuggs 9353]

On 2/25/2019 at 9:14 PM, Trey3216 said:

Pretty much this.  And they left several noticeable names off the dead people montage as well, like R. Lee Ermey.  

 

Carol Channing being left out is bizarre. I know she was 100 years old but for fucks sake what do you have to do:

 

A Best Supporting Actress Oscar nomination

A Golden Globe

4 Tonys (7 noms)

A Grammy (2 noms)

 

 

[Trey3216 15349]

Just now, smuggs said:

 

Carol Channing being left out is bizarre. I know she was 100 years old but for fucks sake what do you have to do:

 

A Best Supporting Actress Oscar nomination

A Golden Globe

4 Tonys (7 noms)

A Grammy (2 noms)

 

 

Pretty damn shameful