Jump to content

Julian Assange


Hugo Stiglitz

Recommended Posts

  On 7/28/2018 at 7:09 PM, maninblack said:

Yeah which is why wikileaks is awesome. Hope they and others keep dropping governments secrets from across the world. Wikileaks is not the threat to mankind.

Expand  

I can't and won't speak to classified information that comes from other countries. As far as that which is generated from within the United States, if you don't have clearance to access and the specific need-to-know then I dont really give a shit what you want or hope. Its classified to protect National Security and the level at which it's classified is given based upon the danger to the country that the information's disclosure would hold. If you do have a clearance and you've been accessing wikileakes then you, me, and an the FBI need to have a discussion.

Now, as I'm confident you don't fall into the latter, kindly take your no-clearance having ass along with your hope and fuck all the way off. You and anyone else who accesses that site makes the job of my brothers and sisters who fight to defend this country and swore our allegiance to the Constitution that much harder. Every piece of information, no matter how small or minute, gives our adversaries another piece of the puzzle. This is why we practice OPSEC regarding everything, whether it has a specific classification or is unclassified.

Link to comment
Share on other sites



  On 7/28/2018 at 7:38 PM, HOOK said:
I can't and won't speak to classified information that comes from other countries. As far as that which is generated from within the United States, if you don't have clearance to access and the specific need-to-know then I dont really give a shit what you want or hope. Its classified to protect National Security and the level at which it's classified is given based upon the danger to the country that the information's disclosure would hold. If you do have a clearance and you've been accessing wikileakes then you, me, and an the FBI need to have a discussion.
Now, as I'm confident you don't fall into the latter, kindly take your no-clearance having ass along with your hope and fuck all the way off. You and anyone else who accesses that site makes the job of my brothers and sisters who fight to defend this country and swore our allegiance to the Constitution that much harder. Every piece of information, no matter how small or minute, gives our adversaries another piece of the puzzle. This is why we practice OPSEC regarding everything, whether it has a specific classification or is unclassified.


Maybe if the IC didn't want things being leaked they shouldn't have violated the rights of American citizens so badly that somebody wanted to expose them.
  • Like 4
  • Fuck You 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/28/2018 at 7:47 PM, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

Insulting me does nothing and doesn't harm me in the least. The fact that you can only muster an insult instead of any sort of a coherent argument for your position speaks volumes about you, however.

Expand  

Ha you're literally arguing for an all powerful government that can spy and assassinate citizens for telling the truth about their activities. You'd make a good little Nazi. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/28/2018 at 7:49 PM, HOOK said:
Maybe learn how the FISA process works and why that is different than your accusation about the IC.
Do you believe that judges are incapable of violating the Constitution simply because they're judges? There are some judges on various US Courts of Appeals who disagree.
  • Fuck You 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/28/2018 at 7:50 PM, maninblack said:

Ha you're literally arguing for an all powerful government that can spy and assassinate citizens for telling the truth about their activities. You'd make a good little Nazi. 

Expand  

You know nothing about me. The government, military, IC, or any affiliate there of doesn't assassinate people. Were your supposition true then reality winner would've been assassinated as soon as she was determined to be the person who disclosed the documents to the press.

You are free to think whatever you like about me or anyone else. There is no crime in that. There is, however, a serious crime in disclosing classified information to anyone who is not authorized to it. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We get that you are proud of your profession and colleagues, you should be.  I personally go back and forth over extreme support for intelligence agencies and recognition and belief that they pose a threat to our way of life (freedom, democracy, etc.), both theoretically and very real at times.  I personally tend to believe that the military intelligence arms are less of a threat than the civilian ones because they do not  tend to become enslaved to politics or politically driven foreign policies.

But it's foolhardy and makes you look like a dangerous "true believer" not to concede that there are excesses committed by the "IC" fairly regularly.  People like Ellsworth, Winner, Manning, Snowden, and others tend to be our only window on those excesses.  That said, I don't declare any of them national heroes, nor am I entirely comfortable with criminal prosecution and lengthy sentences.  It's a difficult question.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/28/2018 at 7:57 PM, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

The government, military, IC, or any affiliate there of doesn't assassinate people.

Expand  


Wait ... what?

assassinate verb  to murder (an important person) in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons.

Is Osama bin Laden still alive?

 

 

Edited by Hornius Emeritus
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/28/2018 at 8:10 PM, Hornius Emeritus said:


Wait ... what?

Is Osama bin Laden still alive?

assassinate:  v  to murder (an important person) in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons.

 

 

Expand  

Damnit, I should have used "SEAL Team Six" instead of Cruise Missile in the meme.  Fuck me. 

 

2evmpk.jpg

Edited by Anastasis
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/28/2018 at 7:09 PM, maninblack said:
Yeah which is why wikileaks is awesome. Hope they and others keep dropping governments secrets from across the world. Wikileaks is not the threat to mankind.

 

I’ll give you credit. You’ve been consistent, and have even doubled down, on your idiotic positions on the topic of wikileaks, Snowden, and the IC for a few years now. It’s unfortunate you don’t see how stupid your thoughts are on the topic.

 

The rationale and well-informed understand that illegal activities by our government should be exposed, but that doesn’t mean there should be a wholesale data dump of everything the government does, especially when it endangers lives and puts our national security at risk, and especially when a lot of the information dumped wasn’t even illegal. Pull your naive and idealistic head out of the clouds and deal with reality.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/28/2018 at 8:32 PM, Dbeasy said:
 
I’ll give you credit. You’ve been consistent, and have even doubled down, on your idiotic positions on the topic of wikileaks, Snowden, and the IC for a few years now. It’s unfortunate you don’t see how stupid your thoughts are on the topic.
 
The rationale and well-informed understand that illegal activities by our government should be exposed, but that doesn’t mean there should be a wholesale data dump of everything the government does, especially when it endangers lives and puts our national security at risk, and especially when a lot of the information dumped wasn’t even illegal. Pull your naive and idealistic head out of the clouds and deal with reality.

You think there was a wholesale data dump and call yourself informed. Lulz
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/28/2018 at 9:00 PM, maninblack said:

You think there was a wholesale data dump and call yourself informed. Lulz


Greenwald and Snowden can spin it anyway they want so that gullible people like you buy into it, but all one has to do is look at the specific items released to see that some of it was sensationalistic stolen critical information, and not an exposure of illegal activities.
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 7/29/2018 at 7:39 AM, Dbeasy said:

 

Greenwald and Snowden can spin it anyway they want so that gullible people like you buy into it, but all one has to do is look at the specific items released to see that some of it was sensationalistic stolen critical information, and not an exposure of illegal activities.

I find the bootlicker calling me gullible ironic.

 

The thing about Snowden/Greenwald/Manning/Assange/Ellsberg and other whistleblowers and the journalists willing to publish the truth is they’re not spinning anything. They’re releasing information the government was hiding because they didn’t want it’s citizens to know the fucked up shit they were doing. The spin doctors are the people you’re such a fan of.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/1/2018 at 2:35 AM, maninblack said:

I find the bootlicker calling me gullible ironic.

 

The thing about Snowden/Greenwald/Manning/Assange/Ellsberg and other whistleblowers and the journalists willing to publish the truth is they’re not spinning anything. They’re releasing information the government was hiding because they didn’t want it’s citizens to know the fucked up shit they were doing. The spin doctors are the people you’re such a fan of.

Expand  

 

This would be more believable were they not so selective re: what they choose to release. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/3/2018 at 11:10 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:
Expand  

Where was this cache published?

  Quote

The Russian cache was eventually quietly published online elsewhere, to almost no attention or scrutiny.

Expand  

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/3/2018 at 11:16 PM, Hornius Emeritus said:

Poor Julian.  The time to think about the repercussions of your actions is BEFORE you take them.

Expand  

What about NYT or WaPo reporters that report classified information?

There seems to be two camps of Wikileaks detractors. Dems pissed about the leaks that proved the DNC was in cahoots with the Hillary campaign and those committed to the government that'll buy whatever it's selling. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/3/2018 at 11:28 PM, yaqdum said:

ever notice how every thread seems to have one of these fuckers assigned to it?

Expand  

maininblack just can’t accept his hero is a Kremlin asset despite all the evidence to indicate he is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/20/us-lobbyist-for-russian-oligarch-visited-julian-assange-nine-times-last-year

^ I could do this all day.

Edited by Hugo Stiglitz
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/3/2018 at 11:31 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

maininblack just can’t accept his hero is a Kremlin asset despite all the evidence to indicate he is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/20/us-lobbyist-for-russian-oligarch-visited-julian-assange-nine-times-last-year

^ I could do this all day.

Expand  

I don't care if the info he leaked came from Russia. Hell I don't even care if he targeted Hillary. Wouldn't you if she wanted to drop a drone bomb on you?

That said do you know where this cache was released? I'd actually like to read what Wikileaks declined to publish.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/4/2018 at 2:02 AM, maninblack said:

What has Wikileaks released that makes you anti-Assange?

Expand  

Hacked emails from a United States political party stolen by a government seeking to undermine our most basic democratic principle in an effort to destabilize liberal democracies around the world.

But you know other than that he’s cool.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/4/2018 at 3:52 AM, hobbes2702 said:

Hacked emails from a United States political party stolen by a government seeking to undermine our most basic democratic principle in an effort to destabilize liberal democracies around the world.

But you know other than that he’s cool.

Expand  

If the release of the internal emails of an American political party undermines our democracy, maybe we should pause for a second and consider the real implications of that revelation.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/4/2018 at 3:52 AM, hobbes2702 said:
Hacked emails from a United States political party stolen by a government seeking to undermine our most basic democratic principle in an effort to destabilize liberal democracies around the world.
But you know other than that he’s cool.

Unlike you I don't care about either of these ridiculous parties and I find it hilarious that the emails released showed that the DNC was working to sabotage the same democratic principle you claim to hold dear.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/4/2018 at 4:11 AM, hobbes2702 said:

So do you support Assange knowingly publishing stolen information from the DNC?

 No shit American politics needs fixing. Russia and their stooges are not the ones to do it.

Expand  

I think that cockroaches don't like light to shine on them.

I think that Russia Russia Russia is largely a diversion that allows us to avoid addressing the real systemic rot at the root of our political system. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/4/2018 at 4:17 AM, maninblack said:


Unlike you I don't care about either of these ridiculous parties and I find it hilarious that the emails released showed that the DNC was working to sabotage the same democratic principle you claim to hold dear.

Expand  

Don’t care about the parties. I do care about he country. 

Oh you mean a private organization? Not the government.

Have fun white knighting for a rapist though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/4/2018 at 4:20 AM, Anastasis said:

I think that cockroaches don't like light to shine on them.

I think that Russia Russia Russia is largely a diversion that allows us to avoid addressing the real systemic rot at the root of our political system. 

Expand  

Very fair and I agree. I however cannot support violating their rights in order to shine that light. As a civil libertarian I would think you would feel the same.

And this is true. We need to look in a big fucking mirror and see that we put ourselves here however it doesn’t change what the Russians did and that we must prevent it from happening in the future.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/4/2018 at 4:25 AM, hobbes2702 said:

 Very fair and I agree. I however cannot support violating their rights in order to shine that light. As a civil libertarian I would think you would feel the same.

 And this is true. We need to look in a big fucking mirror and see that we put ourselves here however it doesn’t change what the Russians did and that we must prevent it from happening in the future.

Expand  

I agree.  I just think that the best way for us to prevent foreign interference related to exposing our political dysfunction is to address our political dysfunction.

 

 

giphy.gif 

Edited by Anastasis
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  On 8/4/2018 at 4:27 AM, Anastasis said:

I agree.  I just think that the best way for us to prevent foreign interference related to exposing our political dysfunction is to address our political dysfunction. 

Expand  

I cannot disagree with you there. Thay doesn’t mean I can support someone else addressing our dysfunction by using it as a tool to further weaken our country, and that is what Assange and Russia did.

Link to comment
Share on other sites



×
×
  • Create New...