Texas recruiting notes 2019

[Elmer_Fudd 22,223]

25 minutes ago, CastHorn said:

I’d take Tufono for insurance. Tillman is Tim Cole 2.0 on tape. 

I thought Tillman had speed at the LB position?  Didn't he used to play Safety?

[UncleBuck 6,454]

6 minutes ago, NorLa Horns said:

speaking as an oline  / d-lineman  in texas 5-a and NAIA in the 80's they dont teach shit. you hit the sled, you practice plays. but especially on the oline, i was never taught any kind of technique. none

Played 3A. Tradition rich school, so a lot of coaches I guess. Sleds sometimes, but we did work a lot on staying low. Pass block technique. Pull technique. How to "hold" the proper way. 

[Tex Pete 20,354]

7 minutes ago, NorLa Horns said:

speaking as an oline  / d-lineman  in texas 5-a and NAIA in the 80's they dont teach shit. you hit the sled, you practice plays. but especially on the oline, i was never taught any kind of technique. none

I'd say it depends on the school/coaches. Lots of coaches are absolute morons. Many of them don't know much about the position they are coaching or even the game of football itself. Certainly, lots of coaches do.

[Gardner Barnes 1,562]

4 minutes ago, NorLa Horns said:

speaking as an oline  / d-lineman  in texas 5-a and NAIA in the 80's they dont teach shit. you hit the sled, you practice plays. but especially on the oline, i was never taught any kind of technique. none

It's still pretty common and a major reason why 9.95ers don't know shit about OL prospects.   For example,  hand placement at the high school level is terrible and thus oversized OL tend to get overrated.  That said, Center play is improving and pass blocking is a bit above average both as a result of the prevalence of 7 on 7 and the need for a OL call directed by the C rather than a set scheme.

[GRHorn 105]

53 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Technique is teachable, athleticism and length are not.

Absolutely.  Having good size is key. That’s why I think Epps will have big impact at CB. 

[Newy25 7,668]

40 minutes ago, TankedBevo said:

So no true DT's I can find we're even targeting in this class. Is all the beef in 2020?

Hi! I’m college football in the year 2018. Have we met? 

[Chili dog 1,787]

12 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I'd say it depends on the school/coaches. Lots of coaches are absolute morons. Many of them don't know much about the position they are coaching or even the game of football itself. Certainly, lots of coaches do.

That’s why kids at schools like Westlake or Highland Park can dominate better athletes. Westlake’s coaches max out player potential and win with better technique and discipline. 

[campcrunk 2,463]

3 hours ago, Fud said:

Adimora, posted yesterday. I'd take him over all the in-state safeties; Richardson, Williams, Young, Owens, Catalon, Cine.. he's a dude

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6729292/5bebea38578df90d1c824d65

Wow. That young man has some impressive closing speed and ball skills. Hell, he looks like he might even be a take at WR or KR based on a few of those plays. I know that it's just highlights, but he's better than I thought he'd be. Clear improvement over his junior tape.

[campcrunk 2,463]

3 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

Has Catalon completely disappeared? Haven't heard anything about him in months it seems. 

Lots of rumors that he's buying the negative recruiting put out there by aggy Arkie Chad and Patterson. It's a shame, because he's a baller and you would think we'd be a perfect landing spot for him, given that he's likely a nickel and wants to play for good baseball team.

[Newy25 7,668]

12 minutes ago, campcrunk said:

Lots of rumors that he's buying the negative recruiting put out there by aggy Arkie Chad and Patterson. It's a shame, because he's a baller and you would think we'd be a perfect landing spot for him, given that he's likely a nickel and wants to play for good baseball team.

The depth chart would be where I focus my negative recruiting effort if I’m Arkansas. There really isn’t anything to sell otherwise. 

[golfclap 6,903]

2 minutes ago, campcrunk said:

Lots of rumors that he's buying the negative recruiting put out there by aggy Arkie Chad and Patterson. It's a shame, because he's a baller and you would think we'd be a perfect landing spot for him, given that he's likely a nickel and wants to play for good baseball team.

Saarloos makes Chad and Sweaterson seem like choir boys by comparison and Catalon has had an earful of that jackwagon's bullshit. Fuck that guy.  

[texifornia 56,961]

1 minute ago, golfclap said:

Saarloos makes Chad and Sweaterson seem like choir boys by comparison and Catalon has had an earful of that jackwagon's bullshit. Fuck that guy.  

I once watched Saarloos take a perfect game bid into the 9th for the A's /csb

[texifornia 56,961]

51 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

I thought Tillman had speed at the LB position?  Didn't he used to play Safety?

From BC on his junior film:

Tillman has HUDL film taken from a wino’s flip phone, but it shows an active hybrid safety/rover athlete (growing into LB) who is comfortable in coverage and blitzing. I want to see more of him as a senior before offering my rubber stamp, but clearly he showed well enough in person for our staff to earn the offer.

Tillman is quicker than fast (as seen on film and a 4.85 40, 4.33 short shuttle, 35 inch vertical testing at a combine) but he moves pretty well in pads and the former Gator commitment gives the Horns their 14th commitment in an 11th ranked national class

https://www.barkingcarnival.com/2018/7/28/17625574/2019-texas-football-recruiting-longhorns-land-florida-lb-marcus-tillman

[Tex Pete 20,354]

30 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

That’s why kids at schools like Westlake or Highland Park can dominate better athletes. Westlake’s coaches max out player potential and win with better technique and discipline. 

There is a lot of truth to that.

[victory88 5,668]

This is the perfect time to combat the negative recruiting.  Texas is finally putting results on the field.  You can tell Catalon he can go play for a 2 win Arkansas team and be irrelevant or play for a TCU team that has already peaked as a program struggling for bowl eligibility.  Or he can be a part of Texas that is rising back to prominence and competing for conference titles.  Perfect opportunity to close this recruitment given there’s so much positivity around the program.  If he still ends up there, then fuck it.  Some kids just look for reasons not to pick a school that’s a great fit.

Edited November 20, 2018 by victory88

[LTtxfan 49,187]

14 hours ago, texifornia said:

 

Even bigger selling point for offensive recruits that TEXAS and B12 is the place to play....🤘

[LTtxfan 49,187]

4 hours ago, texifornia said:

Herbstreit on ESPN this morning talking about how the Big 12 is the future of the NFL. This wave of spread offenses in the NFL has to help us against the usual SEC pro-ready sell.

Which teams in sec use some form of spread offense similar to B12??

[texifornia 56,961]

3 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Which teams in sec use some form of spread offense similar to B12??

Ole Miss and Mizzou for sure. Bama to a degree. 

[Dbeasy 15,051]

Herbstreit on ESPN this morning talking about how the Big 12 is the future of the NFL. This wave of spread offenses in the NFL has to help us against the usual SEC pro-ready sell.

Yup. This is one of the biggest positives to help us in recruiting in years.

[Gardner Barnes 1,562]

1 hour ago, Chili dog said:

That’s why kids at schools like Westlake or Highland Park can dominate better athletes. Westlake’s coaches max out player potential and win with better technique and discipline. 

true but not universally. Lake Travis had one of the worst coached OL I have seen in person over the last 2 years.  They do not adjust to simple stunts and slants particularly well.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Gardner Barnes

[Machinator 32,099]

(Ian Boyd) Roschon on the rampage

 

Recently I was alerted to the presence of the recent golden triangle rivalry game between Port Neches-Groves and Nederland on the YouTube and took the opportunity to break down the PNG offensive performance. Particularly the performance of QB Roschon Johnson, who some of you may recognize as the 4-star recruit committed to attend the University of Texas in 2019.

So I've got some GIFs and thoughts on Roschon for you people.

The big picture

Roschon completed 8-18 passes in this game for 93 yards with zero TDs or INTs. Port Neches-Groves won the game 34-21 and that was due to some effective defense and Roschon also running the ball 35 times for 258 yards and five TDs.

Me and @Eric Nahlin have come to start talking about Roschon as the "RB version of Ehlinger" with Ehlinger being more of a FB style runner with good start stop quickness and toughness running downhill. Roschon will run downhill but he likes to bounce runs outside and he's a smoother and more explosive runner than Sam.

Ehlinger's trademark running move is the quick stop that leaves people flailing at him as they run by (after building up speed in order to generate the necessary force to effectively tackle him. After they miss or barely get his arms on him, he restarts and is generally tackled shortly after but from behind or the side as he drags defenders for another five or so yards and ends the play falling forward.

Roschon has a couple of trademark moves as a runner, one is a sort of euro step to sucker defenders into stepping inside before he bounces outside of them, the other is the stiff-arm when guys try to tackle him as he turns the corner on the edge. We're going to be talking a lot about that stiff-arm today, ladies and gentlemen.

The PNG offense is geared around maximizing Roschon the runner with Roschon the passer serving primarily as a constraint when teams sell out to stop the run game. This year they have a 11 personnel set that asks a pair of fellow seniors named Cooper Hammond (6-0, 205) and Kade Guilbeau (5-5, 180) to be his escorts as the TE and H-back/FB while they still spread the field with three receivers.

The Indians offense reminds me most of the K-State scheme and indeed Roschon's overall style and skill reminds me a great deal of Jesse Ertz, down to the knack for bouncing runs outside and stiff arming would-be tacklers. In the past I've seen them run a lot of iso but in this game they were running primarily QB sweep plays, some QB stretch, QB draw, and a dozen different versions of power. It's a run game that's ultimately built around power and running Roschon behind pulling guards. I'd venture a guess that power runs accounted for as many as 20 of Roschon's carries and 150 of his rushing yards.

The passing game is a typical spread attack with a little dropback, much of it oriented around hitting the perimeter or pushing the ball down the field when teams overplay the run. It's clearly not the team's strength to execute the dropback passing game but they aren't incompetent and they have a pretty good sized and sure-handed junior wideout named Kaleb Wuenschel (5-11, 165) that Roschon looks for regularly.

The OL also has 3-star Jaylen Garth, a 6-4, 270 pound tackle, but he didn't play in this game.

Roschon in the passing game

As you can tell from the stats, there isn't a lot to talk about here but I have a couple of cutups to give an idea of where he's at currently as a passer. PNG knows where their bread is buttered, which is featuring Roschon in the run game and blowing people away, but even that style requires that he be able to hit guys outside to avoid cover zero across the board.

Here's the bad, a missed dig route that was wide open over the middle:

You see this at times from Casey Thompson, the issue seems to be jerky footwork that doesn't allow him to get set easily to make an accurate throw. Arm strength and ability to read the field aren't really major issues for Johnson though which portends the possibility of very effective development as a passer.

Here's some of the good:

Roschon recognizes pre-snap that the boundary safety is playing as an overhang and fires a quick fade to Wuenschel with his feet set under him. That's a pretty good ball with great timing. Arm strength isn't a plus attribute of Roschon's but it's not a glaring weakness either, he can some guys down the field and throw to spots. He's also been in a HS offense that has focused very heavily on the run and will get much more extensive teaching and reps in the passing game at Texas, particularly as he sits behind Ehlinger and co for the first couple of years.

Roschon on the rampage

I dunno if Roschon was just pumped to play in this rivalry game for the last time, steamed over losing this game in a very close contest a year ago when Nederland simply had the ball last, or furious over some personal slight  but Roschon was running angry this night.

Here he is bouncing a QB counter run before coming down hill and stiff arming someone to the ground en route to the end zone:

Here he is stiff-arming two opponents to the ground before he trotting back to the line of scrimmage to run another play on a QB sweep:

Here's QB stretch with a stiff-arm at the goal line that would make Earl Campbell proud:

He threw perhaps a dozen other stiff-arms in this game as well but the savagery of these take the cake, particularly that last one, shown here from another angle.

I'd be remiss if I didn't also include this impressive TD run on a QB draw that lacks only Roschon throwing some hapless defender to the turf in terms of excellence:

I think this run and the stiff-arms reveal that Roschon packs a ton of power in that 6-2, 200 pound frame of his. He generates power very easily and while he looks fluid and quick, I don't know if he's blazing fast so much as he is precise, coordinated, and powerful.

In a well designed offense in which his passing acumen is used to set up his running ability in a versatile, misdirecting, and power-based run game he can do some really amusing things to high school defense. I think it's a good bet that with further development of his passing skills and some additional S&C that he could do some really fun and amusing things to college defenders some day as well as a 6-2, 225 pound QB/RB hybrid.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Machinator

[Spawn of Cthulhu 2,241]

4 minutes ago, Gardner Barnes said:

true but not universally. Lake Travis had one of the worst coached OL I have seen in person over the last 2 years.  They do not adjust to simple stunts and slants particularly well.

I suspect that one person on this board will take great exception to your post.

[Chuckie Finster 22,694]

29 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Which teams in sec use some form of spread offense similar to B12??

aggy actually being ahead of the curve, and then ditching the spread just as it catches on in the NFL, is so perfect.

[IDIOTsavant 8,483]

5 minutes ago, Machinator said:

(Ian Boyd) Roschon on the rampage

  Reveal hidden contents

Recently I was alerted to the presence of the recent golden triangle rivalry game between Port Neches-Groves and Nederland on the YouTube and took the opportunity to break down the PNG offensive performance. Particularly the performance of QB Roschon Johnson, who some of you may recognize as the 4-star recruit committed to attend the University of Texas in 2019.

So I've got some GIFs and thoughts on Roschon for you people.

The big picture

Roschon completed 8-18 passes in this game for 93 yards with zero TDs or INTs. Port Neches-Groves won the game 34-21 and that was due to some effective defense and Roschon also running the ball 35 times for 258 yards and five TDs.

Me and @Eric Nahlin have come to start talking about Roschon as the "RB version of Ehlinger" with Ehlinger being more of a FB style runner with good start stop quickness and toughness running downhill. Roschon will run downhill but he likes to bounce runs outside and he's a smoother and more explosive runner than Sam.

Ehlinger's trademark running move is the quick stop that leaves people flailing at him as they run by (after building up speed in order to generate the necessary force to effectively tackle him. After they miss or barely get his arms on him, he restarts and is generally tackled shortly after but from behind or the side as he drags defenders for another five or so yards and ends the play falling forward.

Roschon has a couple of trademark moves as a runner, one is a sort of euro step to sucker defenders into stepping inside before he bounces outside of them, the other is the stiff-arm when guys try to tackle him as he turns the corner on the edge. We're going to be talking a lot about that stiff-arm today, ladies and gentlemen.

The PNG offense is geared around maximizing Roschon the runner with Roschon the passer serving primarily as a constraint when teams sell out to stop the run game. This year they have a 11 personnel set that asks a pair of fellow seniors named Cooper Hammond (6-0, 205) and Kade Guilbeau (5-5, 180) to be his escorts as the TE and H-back/FB while they still spread the field with three receivers.

The Indians offense reminds me most of the K-State scheme and indeed Roschon's overall style and skill reminds me a great deal of Jesse Ertz, down to the knack for bouncing runs outside and stiff arming would-be tacklers. In the past I've seen them run a lot of iso but in this game they were running primarily QB sweep plays, some QB stretch, QB draw, and a dozen different versions of power. It's a run game that's ultimately built around power and running Roschon behind pulling guards. I'd venture a guess that power runs accounted for as many as 20 of Roschon's carries and 150 of his rushing yards.

The passing game is a typical spread attack with a little dropback, much of it oriented around hitting the perimeter or pushing the ball down the field when teams overplay the run. It's clearly not the team's strength to execute the dropback passing game but they aren't incompetent and they have a pretty good sized and sure-handed junior wideout named Kaleb Wuenschel (5-11, 165) that Roschon looks for regularly.

The OL also has 3-star Jaylen Garth, a 6-4, 270 pound tackle, but he didn't play in this game.

Roschon in the passing game

As you can tell from the stats, there isn't a lot to talk about here but I have a couple of cutups to give an idea of where he's at currently as a passer. PNG knows where their bread is buttered, which is featuring Roschon in the run game and blowing people away, but even that style requires that he be able to hit guys outside to avoid cover zero across the board.

Here's the bad, a missed dig route that was wide open over the middle:

You see this at times from Casey Thompson, the issue seems to be jerky footwork that doesn't allow him to get set easily to make an accurate throw. Arm strength and ability to read the field aren't really major issues for Johnson though which portends the possibility of very effective development as a passer.

Here's some of the good:

Roschon recognizes pre-snap that the boundary safety is playing as an overhang and fires a quick fade to Wuenschel with his feet set under him. That's a pretty good ball with great timing. Arm strength isn't a plus attribute of Roschon's but it's not a glaring weakness either, he can some guys down the field and throw to spots. He's also been in a HS offense that has focused very heavily on the run and will get much more extensive teaching and reps in the passing game at Texas, particularly as he sits behind Ehlinger and co for the first couple of years.

Roschon on the rampage

I dunno if Roschon was just pumped to play in this rivalry game for the last time, steamed over losing this game in a very close contest a year ago when Nederland simply had the ball last, or furious over some personal slight  but Roschon was running angry this night.

Here he is bouncing a QB counter run before coming down hill and stiff arming someone to the ground en route to the end zone:

Here he is stiff-arming two opponents to the ground before he trotting back to the line of scrimmage to run another play on a QB sweep:

Here's QB stretch with a stiff-arm at the goal line that would make Earl Campbell proud:

He threw perhaps a dozen other stiff-arms in this game as well but the savagery of these take the cake, particularly that last one, shown here from another angle.

I'd be remiss if I didn't also include this impressive TD run on a QB draw that lacks only Roschon throwing some hapless defender to the turf in terms of excellence:

I think this run and the stiff-arms reveal that Roschon packs a ton of power in that 6-2, 200 pound frame of his. He generates power very easily and while he looks fluid and quick, I don't know if he's blazing fast so much as he is precise, coordinated, and powerful.

In a well designed offense in which his passing acumen is used to set up his running ability in a versatile, misdirecting, and power-based run game he can do some really amusing things to high school defense. I think it's a good bet that with further development of his passing skills and some additional S&C that he could do some really fun and amusing things to college defenders some day as well as a 6-2, 225 pound QB/RB hybrid.

Haven't watched much film on him, but in the cut ups in the article, he looks a lot like Kelly Bryant to me.

[Laga4 1,270]

10 minutes ago, Machinator said:

(Ian Boyd) Roschon on the rampage

  Reveal hidden contents

Recently I was alerted to the presence of the recent golden triangle rivalry game between Port Neches-Groves and Nederland on the YouTube and took the opportunity to break down the PNG offensive performance. Particularly the performance of QB Roschon Johnson, who some of you may recognize as the 4-star recruit committed to attend the University of Texas in 2019.

So I've got some GIFs and thoughts on Roschon for you people.

The big picture

Roschon completed 8-18 passes in this game for 93 yards with zero TDs or INTs. Port Neches-Groves won the game 34-21 and that was due to some effective defense and Roschon also running the ball 35 times for 258 yards and five TDs.

Me and @Eric Nahlin have come to start talking about Roschon as the "RB version of Ehlinger" with Ehlinger being more of a FB style runner with good start stop quickness and toughness running downhill. Roschon will run downhill but he likes to bounce runs outside and he's a smoother and more explosive runner than Sam.

Ehlinger's trademark running move is the quick stop that leaves people flailing at him as they run by (after building up speed in order to generate the necessary force to effectively tackle him. After they miss or barely get his arms on him, he restarts and is generally tackled shortly after but from behind or the side as he drags defenders for another five or so yards and ends the play falling forward.

Roschon has a couple of trademark moves as a runner, one is a sort of euro step to sucker defenders into stepping inside before he bounces outside of them, the other is the stiff-arm when guys try to tackle him as he turns the corner on the edge. We're going to be talking a lot about that stiff-arm today, ladies and gentlemen.

The PNG offense is geared around maximizing Roschon the runner with Roschon the passer serving primarily as a constraint when teams sell out to stop the run game. This year they have a 11 personnel set that asks a pair of fellow seniors named Cooper Hammond (6-0, 205) and Kade Guilbeau (5-5, 180) to be his escorts as the TE and H-back/FB while they still spread the field with three receivers.

The Indians offense reminds me most of the K-State scheme and indeed Roschon's overall style and skill reminds me a great deal of Jesse Ertz, down to the knack for bouncing runs outside and stiff arming would-be tacklers. In the past I've seen them run a lot of iso but in this game they were running primarily QB sweep plays, some QB stretch, QB draw, and a dozen different versions of power. It's a run game that's ultimately built around power and running Roschon behind pulling guards. I'd venture a guess that power runs accounted for as many as 20 of Roschon's carries and 150 of his rushing yards.

The passing game is a typical spread attack with a little dropback, much of it oriented around hitting the perimeter or pushing the ball down the field when teams overplay the run. It's clearly not the team's strength to execute the dropback passing game but they aren't incompetent and they have a pretty good sized and sure-handed junior wideout named Kaleb Wuenschel (5-11, 165) that Roschon looks for regularly.

The OL also has 3-star Jaylen Garth, a 6-4, 270 pound tackle, but he didn't play in this game.

Roschon in the passing game

As you can tell from the stats, there isn't a lot to talk about here but I have a couple of cutups to give an idea of where he's at currently as a passer. PNG knows where their bread is buttered, which is featuring Roschon in the run game and blowing people away, but even that style requires that he be able to hit guys outside to avoid cover zero across the board.

Here's the bad, a missed dig route that was wide open over the middle:

You see this at times from Casey Thompson, the issue seems to be jerky footwork that doesn't allow him to get set easily to make an accurate throw. Arm strength and ability to read the field aren't really major issues for Johnson though which portends the possibility of very effective development as a passer.

Here's some of the good:

Roschon recognizes pre-snap that the boundary safety is playing as an overhang and fires a quick fade to Wuenschel with his feet set under him. That's a pretty good ball with great timing. Arm strength isn't a plus attribute of Roschon's but it's not a glaring weakness either, he can some guys down the field and throw to spots. He's also been in a HS offense that has focused very heavily on the run and will get much more extensive teaching and reps in the passing game at Texas, particularly as he sits behind Ehlinger and co for the first couple of years.

Roschon on the rampage

I dunno if Roschon was just pumped to play in this rivalry game for the last time, steamed over losing this game in a very close contest a year ago when Nederland simply had the ball last, or furious over some personal slight  but Roschon was running angry this night.

Here he is bouncing a QB counter run before coming down hill and stiff arming someone to the ground en route to the end zone:

Here he is stiff-arming two opponents to the ground before he trotting back to the line of scrimmage to run another play on a QB sweep:

Here's QB stretch with a stiff-arm at the goal line that would make Earl Campbell proud:

He threw perhaps a dozen other stiff-arms in this game as well but the savagery of these take the cake, particularly that last one, shown here from another angle.

I'd be remiss if I didn't also include this impressive TD run on a QB draw that lacks only Roschon throwing some hapless defender to the turf in terms of excellence:

I think this run and the stiff-arms reveal that Roschon packs a ton of power in that 6-2, 200 pound frame of his. He generates power very easily and while he looks fluid and quick, I don't know if he's blazing fast so much as he is precise, coordinated, and powerful.

In a well designed offense in which his passing acumen is used to set up his running ability in a versatile, misdirecting, and power-based run game he can do some really amusing things to high school defense. I think it's a good bet that with further development of his passing skills and some additional S&C that he could do some really fun and amusing things to college defenders some day as well as a 6-2, 225 pound QB/RB hybrid.

It's been a long time since I played football,  but could somebody help me out and explain what a "euro step" move is.  

[Tex Pete 20,354]

1 minute ago, Laga4 said:

It's been a long time since I played football,  but could somebody help me out and explain what a "euro step" move is.  

I would guess it involves flopping and looking for a penalty. And probably capri pants. 

[Tex Pete 20,354]

And no deodorant. 

[Machinator 32,099]

3 minutes ago, Laga4 said:

It's been a long time since I played football,  but could somebody help me out and explain what a "euro step" move is.  

 

[texifornia 56,961]

5 minutes ago, Laga4 said:

It's been a long time since I played football,  but could somebody help me out and explain what a "euro step" move is.  

That's because it originally came from basketball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_step

Unrelated:

 

[Longhorn94 2,448]

13 minutes ago, Spawn of Cthulhu said:

I suspect that one person on this board will take great exception to your post.

actually i agree with him. LT's offensive line has been disappointing and confusing the past two seasons. they were physically dominated by Westlake the last two seasons. The 10 years prior to that, LT's line dominated Westlake and everyone else not named Katy. 

[utfan87 408]

3 hours ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Talk on USC board is Tufono is about to decommit.  Is he someone we'd circle back to or have we moved on?

We should now if we do is another question

Edited November 20, 2018 by utfan87

[Pato del Muerto 52,498]

5 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

And no deodorant. 

While smoking a cigarette 

[billfromlaketravis 11,479]

8 minutes ago, texifornia said:

That's because it originally came from basketball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_step

Unrelated:

 

Is it on TV? 

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

14 minutes ago, utfan87 said:

We should now if we do is another question

I suspect he already knows where he is going.  We should try though.  

[Bevo 13,577]

32 minutes ago, Laga4 said:

It's been a long time since I played football,  but could somebody help me out and explain what a "euro step" move is.  

Traveling - 15 yards and 3 min in the penalty box.

[closetojumping 62,725]

3 hours ago, Fud said:

He's more athletic than all three of those mentioned, and has by far the best chance of sticking at tackle. He has the length and athleticism to reach block, block at the secon level, and pull, along with pass protecting against edge rushers. His improvement from the previous hudl to the new one is considerable. The primary criticisms like strength and technique are easily fixable. All three of those mentioned have their own warts as well, with perhaps the exception of Bragg, who's a stud. 

Buy his stock like you would in retrospect for Cosmi 

You’re falling prey to the time-honored recruitnik tradition of creating ridiculous expectations for what you expect a college LT to be, and then you’re measuring every target by that standard. Mix in your penchant for contrarianism and you’ve got a recipe for constantly moving the goal posts on what an OT prospect looks like. Scipio does this, Hamilton does this, Howe, Burton, etc., all do it. It happens throughout the boards and I presume other programs just the same. 

If you find yourself in a situation in which you’re advocating for the new shiny athlete over the top 50 national guy that every program in the country recruited for two years, you’ve usually overthought it. Johnson is a more polished prospect at OT for college and he is more likely to have a better college career. I do not give one fuck about who projects better in the pros. The likelihood is far higher that Hoofkin doesn’t develop and slow down the game enough to be productive in college than the possibility that he shows up and ultimately outclasses Johnson. That is basic game theory logic. Arguing otherwise is silly. 

That all said, I’d love to get Hoofkin and see him maximize his talent. I pointed him out first to the board. I just roll my eyes every time I see the “true tackle” discussion break out. We could of course bet on it if you like. 

[Fud 9,552]

10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You’re falling prey to the time-honored recruitnik tradition of creating ridiculous expectations for what you expect a college LT to be, and then you’re measuring every target by that standard. Mix in your penchant for contrarianism and you’ve got a recipe for constantly moving the goal posts on what an OT prospect looks like. Scipio does this, Hamilton does this, Howe, Burton, etc., all do it. It happens throughout the boards and I presume other programs just the same. 

If you find yourself in a situation in which you’re advocating for the new shiny athlete over the top 50 national guy that every program in the country recruited for two years, you’ve usually overthought it. Johnson is a more polished prospect at OT for college and he is more likely to have a better college career. I do not give one fuck about who projects better in the pros. The likelihood is far higher that Hoofkin doesn’t develop and slow down the game enough to be productive in college than the possibility that he shows up and ultimately outclasses Johnson. That is basic game theory logic. Arguing otherwise is silly. 

That all said, I’d love to get Hoofkin and see him maximize his talent. I pointed him out first to the board. I just roll my eyes every time I see the “true tackle” discussion break out. We could of course bet on it if you like. 

Specifically for offensive tackle, I'm more willing to go out on a limb for a late bloomer than sticking with the consensus for a multi year known commodity than for other positions. Not that my opinion matters or anything. 

If I come off as contrarian on here, it's because it's more worth pointing out when I disagree with everyone else, because if I agree, I'd just be redundantly posting and it would come off as a waste of space. 

Out of curiosity, how would you propose betting on offensive linemen, since you don't care about where they get drafted? Most starts? What if one is better as an upper classman while the other contributes earlier?

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CJT=Buzz kill.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Casual Encounter

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57 minutes ago, texifornia said:

That's because it originally came from basketball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_step

Unrelated:

 

Too much sunshine. Do not want

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3 minutes ago, Fud said:

Specifically for offensive tackle, I'm more willing to go out on a limb for a late bloomer than sticking with the consensus for a multi year known commodity than for other positions. Not that my opinion matters or anything. 

If I come off as contrarian on here, it's because it's more worth pointing out when I disagree with everyone else, because if I agree, I'd just be redundantly posting and it would come off as a waste of space. 

Out of curiosity, how would you propose betting on offensive linemen, since you don't care about where they get drafted? Most starts? What if one is better as an upper classman while the other contributes earlier?

I don’t call someone a contrarian meaning something negative. Just fact. If you look at your posting history here, you’re willing to go against perceived consensus, and to be generally dismissive of the counters when doing so. Consider the source on this, and like I said, it’s not an issue. 

How to bet it? Some sort of simple weighted premise around total starts, all-conference and AA honors, and if one starts at LT vs RT. 

 

3 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

CJT=Buzz kill.

If holding other prominent posters accountable for developing potentially bad habits, and doing so in support of one of our recruits, makes me a buzz kill, so be it. I have mocked the “there has never been a worthy OT prospect in the history of recruiting “ ethos for going on two decades now. It’s a thing otherwise intelligent recruiting guys twist themselves into. 

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About to get Hookfin'd

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Hookfin I’m guessing 

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Carrington just wants to know, IHOP or Denny's?

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Just now, Machinator said:

Carrington just wants to know, IHOP or Denny's?

Waffle House

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2 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

About to get Hookfin'd

You think that is the Shhh from yesterday or was it Jacoby?

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Our best offesnive tackles in the last 10 or 15 years have generally been (check all that apply)

[   ] few and far between

[  ] guys who looked like TE's in high school

[  ] guys who were really guards but our coaches were unable to project their frame and skills to the next level when they were scouted

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1 minute ago, Machinator said:

Carrington just wants to know, IHOP or Denny's?

 

Just now, Hiphopopotamos said:

Waffle House

Kerbey lane, fools

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1 minute ago, Bevo said:

You think that is the Shhh from yesterday or was it Jacoby?

 

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The Shhh yesterday was Jones. Hookfin is jumping on board now. This doesn't suck. Speculation that Ringo gave a silent but the dude I know that works for the team didnt know if thats true or not yet.