Texas recruiting notes 2019

[SydneyCarton 48150]

The guy is a one year rental and we have the fucking scholarships. Just fucking inexcusable.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

3 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

“Plans to let him know when he’s in Houston next.” 

 

JFC, Oscar. That’s what you tell a girl you never plan to see agin, not a player you actually want to join your team. 

Actually, that’s what I tell a girl I do plan to see again, on my terms. 

[Vertigo 20309]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

The guy is a one year rental and we have the fucking scholarships. Just fucking inexcusable.

Not if we don't view him as an upgrade over what is already on the roster, which I don't think he is. 

[SquishMitten 10425]

Coaching lacrosse lol
And I'll invite you to the next party

You coach high school athletes and don’t know when athletes at your school are being recruited by big programs?

[bizzle 1153]

4 hours ago, Knighthawk said:

Geography bias in rankings  ...

25 of the top 50 recruits on 247 composite are from sec footprint (FL, GA, MS, AL, LA, SC).  

How is this possible?

primarily a combination of sordid american history and socioeconomics. 

[Machinator 32099]

Well, TFB says that Texas is meeting with Zach today. So either there was a change of plans or Wescott misinterpreted something.

Edited January 15, 2019 by Machinator

[futureman 22534]

9 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

JFC, Oscar. That’s what you tell a girl you never plan to see agin, not a player you actually want to join your team. 

maybe they don’t want him on the team.  we have plenty of depth at NT for 2019. 

[Katfid54 8635]

1 minute ago, Machinator said:

Well, TFB says that Texas is meeting with Zach today. So either there was a change of plans or Wescott misinterpreted something.

Sounds like Abercrumbie's a Cinch.

[Sgt. Slaughter 2841]

1 minute ago, Machinator said:

Well, TFB says that Texas is meeting with Zach today. So either there was a change of plans or Wescott misinterpreted something.

Or Herman didn’t tell Oscar.

[SydneyCarton 48150]

7 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Not if we don't view him as an upgrade over what is already on the roster, which I don't think he is. 

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. It's a 1 year scholarship. Even if he's quality depth, or is just a 3rd string player, there's absolutely ZERO reason to not give him a scholarship if we only have 80 scholarship players. It's the polar opposite of the logic behind NOT taking someone like Jordan Moore. 

The only way your argument makes even the smallest bit of sense is if you re-frame it as:

"I don't view him as an upgrade over the walk-on defensive tackles we currently have on campus, so he's not a take and we award the scholarship to one of those DT's"

Are you the guy who thinks Herman should save his time outs for the second half?

Edited January 15, 2019 by SydneyCarton

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

3 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Well, TFB says that Texas is meeting with Zach today. So either there was a change of plans or Wescott misinterpreted something.

My sources tell me that Giles finally found out about Vonlane. 

[futureman 22534]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. It's a 1 year scholarship. Even if he's quality depth, or is just a 3rd string player, there's absolutely ZERO reason to not give him a scholarship if we only have 80 scholarship players. It's the polar opposite of the logic behind NOT taking someone like Jordan Moore. 

The only way your argument makes even the smallest bit of sense is if you re-frame it as:

"I don't view him as an upgrade over the walk-on defensive tackles we currently have on campus, so he's not a take and we award the scholarship to one of those DT's"

Are you the guy who thinks Herman should save his time outs for the second half?

what if they feel good about coburn and wilbon and chisholm and chris kringle and sweat and feel good about the depth and don’t want to take snaps away from the younger guys?  I don’t see a great benefit to adding abercrumbia unless he’s a great player.  

[Vertigo 20309]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. It's a 1 year scholarship. Even if he's quality depth, or is just a 3rd string player, there's absolutely ZERO reason to not give him a scholarship if we only have 80 scholarship players. It's the polar opposite of the logic behind NOT taking someone like Jordan Moore. 

The only way your argument makes even the smallest bit of sense is if you re-frame it as:

"I don't view him as an upgrade over the walk-on defensive tackles we currently have on campus, so he's not a take and we award the scholarship to one of those DT's"

Are you the guy who thinks Herman should save his time outs for the second half?

I am just saying that I can understand why we aren't all over the kid like we were Calvin Anderson last year. He will most likely go to a place with the best depth chart, and that isn't us. 

What you also failed to mention is that based on how final numbers shake out, that 1 year rental scholarship might serve us better at a different position. 

 

.. Or Giles is just a lazy shit. 

[Fud 9552]

3 hours ago, Machinator said:

When was the last Rivals update before this week? Liebrock was in the 100s back in August.



 

Yeah, someone on IT went and logged all the rankings a couple of weeks ago before the final update so we can see the final movements 

[Huckleberry 33073]

14 minutes ago, bizzle said:

primarily a combination of sordid american history and socioeconomics. 

Those states are responsible for 30% of NFL rosters based on the last study I could find. While your point is valid, there is more to it than that if they are taking up a full 50% of the rankings.

The combination of California, Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania has more NFL roster spots than those 6 states.

Edited January 15, 2019 by Huckleberry

[SydneyCarton 48150]

1 minute ago, futureman said:

what if they feel good about coburn and wilbon and chisholm and chris kringle and sweat and feel good about the depth and don’t want to take snaps away from the younger guys?  I don’t see a great benefit to adding abercrumbia unless he’s a great player.  

What if Coburn and Wilcon get injured and Chisholm plays but needs to be spelled? This is a fucking stupid concept. The point is you don't know what could happen. The kid is getting a free year of graduate school at a great university. I don't give a fuck if we take him and he never plays a fucking down, he's depth if we need it, at WORST. What I do know that it's move valuable than having an unused scholarship. This isn't marriage for 4 years. It's a single year with a scholarship that has zero use otherwise. 

[Machinator 32099]

If we're talking scholarship numbers for 2019, we are at 84 as of right now. I could easily see us losing 5-6 without much imagination required.

 

[SydneyCarton 48150]

4 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I am just saying that I can understand why we aren't all over the kid like we were Calvin Anderson last year. He will most likely go to a place with the best depth chart, and that isn't us. 

What you also failed to mention is that based on how final numbers shake out, that 1 year rental scholarship might serve us better at a different position. 

 

.. Or Giles is just a lazy shit. 

If you want to make a case that another 1 year rental at another position makes more sense, fine, that is perfectly logical. I'd be interested in knowing what that position is, and again, if there's a player there that makes sense. But that isn't the same thing you initially proposed. Of course, by the same token, that's also assuming we only have 1 scholarship. What happens if we have 4? Or 5?

Edited January 15, 2019 by SydneyCarton

[Huckleberry 33073]

I think what SydneyCarton is trying to say is that it's pretty hard for the cost to outweigh the benefit if the cost is zero. The only way that's true is if we somehow know that Abercrumbia's presence will somehow actually make our team worse.

[Machinator 32099]

4 minutes ago, Fud said:

Yeah, someone on IT went and logged all the rankings a couple of weeks ago before the final update so we can see the final movements 

You keep up with this stuff better than I do, so I'll take your word for it. But I feel that there would have been a mini-uproar if Liebrock suddenly dropped 150 spots (though it wouldn't surprise me).

Edited January 15, 2019 by Machinator

[futureman 22534]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

What if Coburn and Wilcon get injured and Chisholm plays but needs to be spelled? This is a fucking stupid concept. The point is you don't know what could happen. The kid is getting a free year of graduate school at a great university. I don't give a fuck if we take him and he never plays a fucking down, he's depth if we need it, at WORST. What I do know that it's move valuable than having an unused scholarship. This isn't marriage for 4 years. It's a single year with a scholarship that has zero use otherwise. 

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here but say we bring him in for the one year rental and he plays a lot of snaps and rotates with wilbon for about 85% of the defensive snaps and coburn gets butthurt and decides to transfer?  doomed. 

[Machinator 32099]

TFB on transfers, including Abercrumbia:

***Am told that while Casey Thompson coming back to Texas is likely, it’s not a done deal yet. Sounds like Houston is trying pull him their way.

***Also, am told that Texas is going after Tennessee grad transfer starting OT, Drew Richmond.

Last Friday, I spoke with a source in the building about Richmond and was told that the Vols planned on letting Richmond go. However, same source let me know, yesterday, that they have decided to work to keep him.

The initial sense I got was the Vols believed they had younger guys who would unseat Richmond. At some point between last Friday and yesterday, they obviously decided that they can’t afford to lose him.

I’m working to connect with Richmond to see where his head is at in all of this.

***Also asked about Rice grad transfer DT, Zach Abercrumbia. I get the sense Texas likes him but with the transfer portal changing the game a bit, they have to obviously be conscious of their current younger players like Coburn and Ojomo.

I’ll check with Zach later to see what Texas says to him in their meeting that was scheduled for today

[SydneyCarton 48150]

Just now, futureman said:

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here but say we bring him in for the one year rental and he plays a lot of snaps and rotates with wilbon for about 85% of the defensive snaps and coburn gets butthurt and decides to transfer?  doomed. 

Then that's a combination of factors:

1.) Our coaches are stupid, that doesn't make the roster management stupid. This is a fundamentally different issue you're hypothesizing. 
2.) Sounds like Coburn kinda sucks and hasn't progressed.  Again, that's likely a coaching problem, or a player attitude problem (which would be a problem anyway).

 

[UncleBuck 6455]

1 minute ago, futureman said:

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here but say we bring him in for the one year rental and he plays a lot of snaps and rotates with wilbon for about 85% of the defensive snaps and coburn gets butthurt and decides to transfer?  doomed. 

right on damn cue, from TFB:

 

"***Also asked about Rice grad transfer DT, Zach Abercrumbia. I get the sense Texas likes him but with the transfer portal changing the game a bit, they have to obviously be conscious of their current younger players like Coburn and Ojomo."

Edited January 15, 2019 by UncleBuck

[SydneyCarton 48150]

Just now, UncleBuck said:

right on damn cute, from TFB:

 

"***Also asked about Rice grad transfer DT, Zach Abercrumbia. I get the sense Texas likes him but with the transfer portal changing the game a bit, they have to obviously be conscious of their current younger players like Coburn and Ojomo."

Please tell me that was a typo, or that you're somehow referencing the meet-cute you had with your cousin. 

[futureman 22534]

2 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

right on damn cue, from TFB:

 

"***Also asked about Rice grad transfer DT, Zach Abercrumbia. I get the sense Texas likes him but with the transfer portal changing the game a bit, they have to obviously be conscious of their current younger players like Coburn and Ojomo."

I write for TFB

[Fud 9552]

7 minutes ago, Machinator said:

You keep up with this stuff better than I do, so I'll take your word for it. But I feel that there would have been a mini-uproar if Liebrock suddenly dropped 150 spots (though it wouldn't surprise me).

It's not my work, and he could be wrong, but I do remember him posting a screen shot of a spreadsheet of where our guys were ranked, and no one corrected him 

[Lhorn 4938]

Didn’t really get much of a chance to see Coburn play but saw him when he came out of the game against Georgia when his helmet came off. Dude is WIDE. 

[Fud 9552]

9 minutes ago, Machinator said:

You keep up with this stuff better than I do, so I'll take your word for it. But I feel that there would have been a mini-uproar if Liebrock suddenly dropped 150 spots (though it wouldn't surprise me).

Just found it, looks like he read the wrong column

[Burt Macklin 19038]

1 minute ago, Vertigo said:

Not if we don't view him as an upgrade over what is already on the roster, which I don't think he is. 

He’s experienced depth at worst and it’s pretty much impossible to tell the difference between us slow playing a recruit and Giles recruiting him, which is ultimately the issue.

[SydneyCarton 48150]

Just so we're being perfectly clear here, and correct me if I'm wrong but posters in this thread are now intimating or outright saying one or all of the below:

 

A.) The coaching staff consistently won't play the best players at a position and can't be trusted to do so
B.) Because of the transfer portal, coaches should no longer pursue the best player at every position because it will scare away the good players already on campus
 

I'm a Texas fan, so having suffered through Mack Brown and year 1 of Tom Herman, I fucking absolutely get point A. But that STILL isn't a reason to not stock the roster with the best available talent at all times. That's just stupid. If the rice kid beats out Coburn or Wilbon, well, then I guess he's a value add at the position and worthy of a scholly. If he doesn't, who gives a fucking shit, he's depth at a position that isn't that robust. Additionally, if he comes in and sucks and Herman plays him ahead of Coburn and Ojomo anyway, well, that's a completely different fucking problem that needs to be addressed. But I certainly know Option B is fucking stupid. 

[Sgt Hulk 13834]

41 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Giles working his butt off as per usual

 

So we are getting an Abercrombie?

[Lhorn 4938]

Any chance we wanna play two tackles And need the depth?

[Burt Macklin 19038]

15 minutes ago, futureman said:

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here but say we bring him in for the one year rental and he plays a lot of snaps and rotates with wilbon for about 85% of the defensive snaps and coburn gets butthurt and decides to transfer?  doomed. 

Why do you keep acting like he can only play nose tackle? He has more versatility than that. He could slot in at all 3 DL spots and he’s undoubtedly better than Chisholm or Christmas Giles, and likely better than TR FR Sweat.

[rickyspub 801]

21 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Those states are responsible for 30% of NFL rosters based on the last study I could find. While your point is valid, there is more to it than that if they are taking up a full 50% of the rankings.

The combination of California, Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania has more NFL roster spots than those 6 states.

If you go back and look at the rankings from around 2002-2006 and probably back as far as Rivals goes (I think they were the first with national rankings), you will find that California and Texas made up a higher percentage of 5-stars than they do today. The decline miraculously coincided with Pete Carroll going back to the NFL and a few years before Mack Brown was killing himself down in Florida. (It is now clear he was hitting up the SEC states because the state of Texas one year just suddenly stopped producing high level talent and Mack was actually ahead of the curve.)

[futureman 22534]

3 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Why do you keep acting like he can only play nose tackle? He has more versatility than that. He could slot in at all 3 DL spots and he’s undoubtedly better than Chisholm or Christmas Giles, and likely better than TR FR Sweat.

I don’t see how you can argue that.  chisholm and saint nick would probably wreck shop in conference USA.  abercrumbia was honorable mention all conference.  christmas seems like a 1st team conference USA guy. 

[Katfid54 8635]

8 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

So we are getting an Abercrombie?

No.  But everyone's throwing Fits.

[SydneyCarton 48150]

1 minute ago, futureman said:

I don’t see how you can argue that.  chisholm and saint nick would probably wreck shop in conference USA.  abercrumbia was honorable mention all conference.  christmas seems like a 1st team conference USA guy. 

Well, I don't see how you can argue THAT, futureman trolling aside. Please, expound. 

 

[futureman 22534]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Well, I don't see how you can argue THAT, futureman trolling aside. Please, expound. 

 

uh, well, I dunno.  I just think he seems that way.  

check mate, bitch. 

[SydneyCarton 48150]

2 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

No.  But everyone's throwing Fits.

and

[Katfid54 8635]

8 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

and

Missed this one, though:

50 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

Sounds like Abercrumbie's a Cinch.

[SydneyCarton 48150]

1 minute ago, Katfid54 said:

Missed this one, though:

Thats a good thing. 

[Willard the wildebeest 18]

58 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

 

You coach high school athletes and don’t know when athletes at your school are being recruited by big programs?

 

I coach lacrosse... we are the mother fucking red headed step child... they dont tell me shit... 

[Napoleon 8696]

33 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

Didn’t really get much of a chance to see Coburn play but saw him when he came out of the game against Georgia when his helmet came off. Dude is WIDE. 

 

29 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Just so we're being perfectly clear here, and correct me if I'm wrong but posters in this thread are now intimating or outright saying one or all of the below:

A.) The coaching staff consistently won't play the best players at a position and can't be trusted to do so
B.) Because of the transfer portal, coaches should no longer pursue the best player at every position because it will scare away the good players already on campus

I'm a Texas fan, so having suffered through Mack Brown and year 1 of Tom Herman, I fucking absolutely get point A. But that STILL isn't a reason to not stock the roster with the best available talent at all times. That's just stupid. If the rice kid beats out Coburn or Wilbon, well, then I guess he's a value add at the position and worthy of a scholly. If he doesn't, who gives a fucking shit, he's depth at a position that isn't that robust. Additionally, if he comes in and sucks and Herman plays him ahead of Coburn and Ojomo anyway, well, that's a completely different fucking problem that needs to be addressed. But I certainly know Option B is fucking stupid. 

 

25 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

Any chance we wanna play two tackles And need the depth?

1) With a grad transfer, there is no need to lock him in before the Transfer Portal closes.

2) I'm thinking that Coburn will definitely be needed against LSU and any other run-heavy teams, but will probably be quickly gassed against pass-happy teams.

3) Referring to "1)"... Patience with Grad Transfers. They can be locked in later in the spring/right before summer. WELL AFTER the Spring Game... when we get a better idea of how urgent some holes are and when we see who gets upset and wants to transfer in the summer.

Just my 3 cents.

[Burt Macklin 19038]

13 minutes ago, futureman said:

I don’t see how you can argue that.  chisholm and saint nick would probably wreck shop in conference USA.  abercrumbia was honorable mention all conference.  christmas seems like a 1st team conference USA guy. 

I’ve watched all three. Chisholm is a warm body at best. Giles was often a liability for us. I watched most of Zach’s snaps against LSU. He got washed out a little more than you’d like but generally held his own and even had some really good flash plays. Zach is better than both of them and it’d be hard to argue otherwise, unless you’re just an obnoxious internet troll, of course.

[futureman 22534]

Just now, Burt Macklin said:

I’ve watched all three. Chisholm is a warm body at best. Giles was often a liability for us. I watched most of Zach’s snaps against LSU. He got washed out a little more than you’d like but generally held his own and even had some really good flash plays. Zach is better than both of them and it’d be hard to argue otherwise, unless you’re just an obnoxious internet troll, of course.

quite simply you are wrong.  painfully wrong.  I feel sorry for your family. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

I’ve watched all three. Chisholm is a warm body at best. Giles was often a liability for us. I watched most of Zach’s snaps against LSU. He got washed out a little more than you’d like but generally held his own and even had some really good flash plays. Zach is better than both of them and it’d be hard to argue otherwise, unless you’re just an obnoxious internet troll, of course.

Do you know where you are?

[futureman 22534]

I’ve watched all three.  chisholm and christmas are the better players.  there’s a reason they didn’t wind up in conference USA. 

[Machinator 32099]

ESPN released their final rankings update (top 300): http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true

Players of interest:

 

1. Kayvon Thibodeaux

3. Kenyon Green

6. Jadon Haselwood

11. John Emery

16. Trey Sanders

17. Garrett Wilson

18. Derek Stingley Jr.

27. Bru McCoy

29. Spencer Rattler

32. Tyler Johnson

33. Theo Wease

35. Lewis Cine

37. Jeffery Carter

40. Jordan Whittington

41. Brian Williams

55. De'Gabriel Floyd

56. Kardell Thomas

60. DeMarvin Leal

65. Baylor Cupp

69. Noah Cain

70. Austin Stogner

76. Jake Smith

83. Kenyatta Watson

86. Marcel Brooks

87. Marquez Beason

90. Arjei Henderson

95. Chris Steele

96. Makiya Tongue

97. Dylan Wright

99. Erick Young

102. Rian Davis

104. Roschon Johnson

112. Elijah Higgins

119. Maninoa Tufono

123. Isaiah Spiller

125. David Gbenda

130. Marcus Washington

132. Joseph Wete

138. Demani Richardson

149. Shammond Cooper

152. Branson Bragg

153. Trejan Bridges

162. Kam Brown

167. Braeden Mowry

176. Jaden Davis

181. Deondrick Glass

190. Derrian Brown

210. Chase Lane

225. EJ Ndoma-Ogar

233. Peyton Powell

243. Marcus Tillman

248. Marcus Major

255. NaNa Osafo-Mensah

257. Derick Hunter

269. Marcus Hicks

278. Marcus Banks

283. Brayden Liebrock

289. Chris Adimora

Edited January 15, 2019 by Machinator

[Machinator 32099]

Here's my post on the previous rankings: