Texas recruiting notes 2019

[Hiphopopotamos 21191]

2 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Which begs the question, will Herman bring on a play caller or is he content filling that role again next season? Texas HC is too big a job to continue handling playcalling responsibilities, but Herman may believe he can do it all.

There are plenty of head coaches around the country who call plays - offense or defense.  Herman can do it - he proved that this year. 

[Hiphopopotamos 21191]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

are we going to continue to have 2 co OCs, an offensive AHC (and potentially a second offensive AHC?) and not have any of them call plays? haha

Those titles are all about status and money.  

[South Austin 53227]

Just now, Hiphopopotamos said:

There are plenty of head coaches around the country who call plays - offense or defense.  Herman can do it - he proved that this year. 

Who are they?  Lincoln Riley? 

[LTtxfan 50005]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

At this point, everyone's contracts are "over" outside of Hand, right?

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No...... Beck has one year left on his 3 year Contract.  Orlando still under contract too along with Hand.

Edited January 8, 2019 by LTtxfan

[SydneyCarton 49505]

3 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Which begs the question, will Herman bring on a play caller or is he content filling that role again next season? Texas HC is too big a job to continue handling playcalling responsibilities, but Herman may believe he can do it all.

I find this notion to be fucking stupid. Are you tacitly suggesting either:

a.) The OU job is NOT too big for a head coach to call plays or
b.) The reason OU can't win the big games is because Lincoln Riley spends too much time calling plays and not enough time in other areas?

I find both concepts to be retarded. Listen, coaches gameplan as a group. Herman gives the offensive staff marching orders, they gameplan for how to attack the next week. Then the game unfolds in front of the coaches the same way in unfolds in front of us. It's not like Herman doesn't know his own fucking playbook. So if you're sitting there telling me it's just "too difficult" for Tom Herman to watch a game the same as we do, potentially see tendencies or weaknesses, and call a play from a playbook he basically fucking wrote, then I don't know what to tell you. But I reject the notion out of hand that a HC can't call his own plays and that it is too much of a drain on resources he should be devoting elsewhere. The offensive staff gameplans all week per a plan that head coach has a hand in crafting. They prepare the kids. The difference is literally a guy who sticks with his woobie and calls 3 straight plays they're comfortable with versus a guy who calls plays based on what he is seeing and adjusts. 

[NoName 17148]

1 minute ago, LTtxfan said:

 

No...... Beck has one year left on his 3 year Contract.  Orlando still under contract too along with Hand.

thank you!

[elguapo 4620]

Herman did fine as a playcaller this season but in order to maximize our potential I’d like to see us bring someone in who has more time to focus on it than the Texas HC. Sure there are many programs where the HC has playcalling responsibilities but outside of OU I don’t know of any on the top tier that we are wanting to compete with.

[SydneyCarton 49505]

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Who are they?  Lincoln Riley? 

Dan Mullen has always called his own plays. Gus Malzahn at times has called his own plays, including the year he won a national title. Steve Spurrier always called his own plays. I believe Rich Rod has called his own plays during his glory years at WVU. Phillip Montgomery calls his own plays. Future head coach of the Arizona Cardinals Kliff Kingsbury.  And that's off the top of my head. You can point out that the list is hit or miss, but most of those names have had success at very high, and even the very highest levels. 

[elguapo 4620]

I find this notion to be fucking stupid. Are you tacitly suggesting either:

a.) The OU job is NOT too big for a head coach to call plays or
b.) The reason OU can't win the big games is because Lincoln Riley spends too much time calling plays and not enough time in other areas?

I find both concepts to be retarded. Listen, coaches gameplan as a group. Herman gives the offensive staff marching orders, they gameplan for how to attack the next week. Then the game unfolds in front of the coaches the same way in unfolds in front of us. It's not like Herman doesn't know his own fucking playbook. So if you're sitting there telling me it's just "too difficult" for Tom Herman to watch a game the same as we do, potentially see tendencies or weaknesses, and call a play from a playbook he basically fucking wrote, then I don't know what to tell you. But I reject the notion out of hand that a HC can't call his own plays and that it is too much of a drain on resources he should be devoting elsewhere. The offensive staff gameplans all week per a plan that head coach has a hand in crafting. They prepare the kids. The difference is literally a guy who sticks with his woobie and calls 3 straight plays they're comfortable with versus a guy who calls plays based on what he is seeing and adjusts. 

Yes I think OU would be better off if Lincoln would hire someone to handle playcalling responsibilities so he can focus more attention on other aspects of the program and that was evident in the results considering OU was pretty terrible at everything except O.

[ClubWhatever 12310]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Who are they?  Lincoln Riley? 

Moorhead (MSU)
Jimbo (TAMU)

Chip (UCLA)

Johnson (GA Tech) - he ded

Petrino (UL) - he ded

Kelly (ND)

Kliff (Tech) - ded

Leach

[Hiphopopotamos 21191]

9 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Who are they?  Lincoln Riley? 

Yes, Lincoln Riley, but also Dan Mullen at Florida, Derek Mason at Vanderbilt, Sweaty Gary at TCU, and Gus Malzhan at Auburn are some of the bigger names.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Hiphopopotamos

[South Austin 53227]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Dan Mullen has always called his own plays. Gus Malzahn at times has called his own plays, including the year he won a national title. Steve Spurrier always called his own plays. I believe Rich Rod has called his own plays during his glory years at WVU. Phillip Montgomery calls his own plays. Future head coach of the Arizona Cardinals Kliff Kingsbury.  And that's off the top of my head. You can point out that the list is hit or miss, but most of those names have had success at very high, and even the very highest levels. 

Good list, and I figured there were a few, but couldn't recall off the top of my head.  Though Malzahn never won a title as Auburn head coach. 

[nycHorn 3123]

Yeah, now that we finally have something working, we should definitely change it.

[SydneyCarton 49505]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

Yes I think OU would be better off if Lincoln would hire someone to handle playcalling responsibilities so he can focus more attention on other aspects of the program and that was evident in the results considering OU was pretty terrible at everything except O.

So you think Lincoln Riley, offensive wizard, should devote less resources to the area he does as good or better than anyone in the country, to focus more time on say...fixing the defense? An area to which he is much, much less experienced. 

The dichotomy of offensive vs. defensive minded head coaches is standard in all levels of football. It's a natural order. You've got two kinds of coaches: The Mack Brown hands off everything CEO, or the Guru on one side of the ball who remains involved. Period. Riley is the latter. He's going to be involved. You're basically asking him to back off the last 5% of the job which he does really well, to either 1) Become just a CEO guy which probably isn't his personality or 2) to focus on fixing an area of the ball he isn't special at directing. If he did #2 it would likely be seen as meddling and unless it was 100% successful fans would justifiably lose their shit. 

[Stampeder 92]

I'd actually prefer Herman to continue calling plays.  Orlando has the D under control and we should have plenty of QC types who can assist with game/clock management oversight.  Herman is where he is largely due to his abilities as an OC and play-caller.  He needs to keep doing it.  As for Beatty, I want him on staff more for his recruiting chops in D/FW than anything else.  The ability to help TH out on the offense is a bonus. 

[SydneyCarton 49505]

3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Good list, and I figured there were a few, but couldn't recall off the top of my head.  Though Malzahn never won a title as Auburn head coach. 

Jesus you're absolutely right. I blame this brain fart on my kiddo waking me up. 

[SydneyCarton 49505]

Does anyone know if Dino Babers calls his own plays?

[South Austin 53227]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Jesus you're absolutely right. I blame this brain fart on my kiddo waking me up. 

Don't worry.  Most of us had forgotten that Gene Chizk was actually the head coach of Auburn's 2010 championship team.

[elguapo 4620]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

So you think Lincoln Riley, offensive wizard, should devote less resources to the area he does as good or better than anyone in the country, to focus more time on say...fixing the defense? An area to which he is much, much less experienced. 

The dichotomy of offensive vs. defensive minded head coaches is standard in all levels of football. It's a natural order. You've got two kinds of coaches: The Mack Brown hands off everything CEO, or the Guru on one side of the ball who remains involved. Period. Riley is the latter. He's going to be involved. You're basically asking him to back off the last 5% of the job which he does really well, to either 1) Become just a CEO guy which probably isn't his personality or 2) to focus on fixing an area of the ball he isn't special at directing. If he did #2 it would likely be seen as meddling and unless it was 100% successful fans would justifiably lose their shit. 

I think some CFB HC jobs carry so many responsibilities outside of even coaching that a HC would be better off hiring someone to focus on something as important as playcalling.  The HC can still be heavily involved in gameplanning and give input on playcalling when needed.  That's the model Saban, who is a defensive wizard, has followed.

[elguapo 4620]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

So you think Lincoln Riley, offensive wizard, should devote less resources to the area he does as good or better than anyone in the country, to focus more time on say...fixing the defense? An area to which he is much, much less experienced. 

The dichotomy of offensive vs. defensive minded head coaches is standard in all levels of football. It's a natural order. You've got two kinds of coaches: The Mack Brown hands off everything CEO, or the Guru on one side of the ball who remains involved. Period. Riley is the latter. He's going to be involved. You're basically asking him to back off the last 5% of the job which he does really well, to either 1) Become just a CEO guy which probably isn't his personality or 2) to focus on fixing an area of the ball he isn't special at directing. If he did #2 it would likely be seen as meddling and unless it was 100% successful fans would justifiably lose their shit. 

I also think that if you are going to be HC at a job like OU or Texas then you better fucking focus some of your time educating yourself about modern D so you don't keep Mike Stoops too long or hire someone like Alex Grinch.

[SydneyCarton 49505]

Just now, elguapo said:

I think some CFB HC jobs carry so many responsibilities outside of even coaching that a HC would be better off hiring someone to focus on something as important as playcalling.  The HC can still be heavily involved in gameplanning and give input on playcalling when needed.  That's the model Saban, who is a defensive wizard, has followed.

And you think it's a complete coincidence that Saban's defenses, irrespective of great talent, continue to be extremely salty despite coordinator after coordinator moving on?

Let me ask you this in a different way. Assuming that the game-planning, the install to the players, the basic scouting, is performed by the offensive staff during the week, and the kids are prepped...what exactly do you think Tom Herman should be doing on Saturday for 3 hours that would maximize his time. You know, DURING the game. What else should he be doing for those 3 hours that calling offensive plays is getting in the way of and preventing us from maximizing as a program? Texting recruits? Hovering over Orlando's shoulder? Taunting Zach Smith? 

[SydneyCarton 49505]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

I also think that if you are going to be HC at a job like OU or Texas then you better fucking focus some of your time educating yourself about modern D so you don't keep Mike Stoops too long or hire someone like Alex Grinch.

Listen, if you want to tell me that Herman should be watching more Glengarry Glen Ross so he can sack up and fire the dead weight from his staff, that's a different conversation. 

[elguapo 4620]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

And you think it's a complete coincidence that Saban's defenses, irrespective of great talent, continue to be extremely salty despite coordinator after coordinator moving on?

Let me ask you this in a different way. Assuming that the game-planning, the install to the players, the basic scouting, is performed by the offensive staff during the week, and the kids are prepped...what exactly do you think Tom Herman should be doing on Saturday for 3 hours that would maximize his time. You know, DURING the game. What else should he be doing for those 3 hours that calling offensive plays is getting in the way of and preventing us from maximizing as a program? Texting recruits? Hovering over Orlando's shoulder? Taunting Zach Smith? 

What do you think all of the other HC's that aren't calling plays during games are doing?

[Hiphopopotamos 21191]

Should be noted that 'calling plays' and being a full-time Offensive Coordinator are two different things.  Herman can be a play-caller while still delegating the OC duties to another coach.

[Orange&White 5573]

I don't really care one way or another if Herman is going to call the plays, but he damn sure needs to shake up the staff accordingly if he is going to continue to do it. It's pointless having an OC up in the booth basically just watching the game like some $200 donor.

[SydneyCarton 49505]

Just now, elguapo said:

What do you think all of the other HC's that aren't calling plays during games are doing?

That's not an answer, that's a fucking deflection.

Mack Brown spent a lot of time with his hands on his knees and fucking clapping. Charlie Strong spent a lot of time staring off into space and swatting away imaginary flies. Les Miles ate grass.

Lets not pretend coaching is nearly as fucking complicated as people often make it out to be.

[Huckleberry 34657]

Which begs the question, will Herman bring on a play caller or is he content filling that role again next season? Texas HC is too big a job to continue handling playcalling responsibilities, but Herman may believe he can do it all.

No it's not. What a strange take.

[Huckleberry 34657]

 
No...... Beck has one year left on his 3 year Contract.  Orlando still under contract too along with Hand.

Thanks for putting that in bold.

[elguapo 4620]

16 minutes ago, nycHorn said:

Yeah, now that we finally have something working, we should definitely change it.

This is a funny argument.  We were ranked #26 on offense per S&P+ ratings.  That's good but we can definitely do better.

[elguapo 4620]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

 

 

No it's not. What a strange take.

 

 

You've definitely convinced me now.

[Machinator 32103]

It comes down to Herman's self-appraisal. If he thinks he can manage the game effectively while calling plays, he should. Fact of the matter is that there are probably few candidates out there who are better at it than he is.

If he can't, then he needs to get off his ass and hire the best OC money can buy.

[elguapo 4620]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That's not an answer, that's a fucking deflection.

Mack Brown spent a lot of time with his hands on his knees and fucking clapping. Charlie Strong spent a lot of time staring off into space and swatting away imaginary flies. Les Miles ate grass.

Lets not pretend coaching is nearly as fucking complicated as people often make it out to be.

I'd like him to do more of what Saban/Swinney/Meyer do during games and less of what Brown/Strong do.

[Modessit 5667]

What do you think all of the other HC's that aren't calling plays during games are doing?

Clapping?

[elguapo 4620]

7 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

I don't really care one way or another if Herman is going to call the plays, but he damn sure needs to shake up the staff accordingly if he is going to continue to do it. It's pointless having an OC up in the booth basically just watching the game like some $200 donor.

I can agree with this.  The current staff doesn't maximize our resources and potential regardless of whether Herman retains playcalling duties or not.  In the long run I think it would be better for Herman to eventually give up that responsibility.

[Hiphopopotamos 21191]

10 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

I don't really care one way or another if Herman is going to call the plays, but he damn sure needs to shake up the staff accordingly if he is going to continue to do it. It's pointless having an OC up in the booth basically just watching the game like some $200 donor.

Huh?  What do you think those coaches up in the booth are doing? 

Are you under the impression that an OC's duties end when the game is over?

[Hiphopopotamos 21191]

We hired one of the best play callers in the country - we finally have him calling plays - and now people want him to stop?  What the fuck?

[SydneyCarton 49505]

2 minutes ago, elguapo said:

I'd like him to do more of what Saban/Swinney/Meyer do during games and less of what Brown/Strong do.

Again, this is a deflection. You have no clue what any of those guys do during the games you just by gosh want him to do what the winners do. You may as well fucking have shown up here and demanded that Tom Herman call the Touchdown Play more often. 

Let me help you with what you don't seem to know: The things that Meyer/Swimmey/Saban do to be successful at such a high level are performed during the other 6 days of the week 90-95% of time, and the other 9 months out of the year. At least at this current era of college football. 

[Fud 9724]

3 hours ago, Newy25 said:

If we do not sign 5-7 west coast guys this year we are leaving meat on the bone. USC in full on tire fire mode now. 

West coast recruiting, not getting butt-fucked in DFW (Beaty could potentially help there, if his reputation as a DFW recruiter has any merit), St. Louis recruiting, Louisiana under rocks digging, and Atlanta metro area with the help of a certain signee's dad should help supplement what should be our home bases in Houston, central Texas, and East Texas

[South Austin 53227]

Just now, Fud said:

West coast recruiting, not getting butt-fucked in DFW (Beaty could potentially help there, if his reputation as a DFW recruiter has any merit), St. Louis recruiting, Louisiana under rocks digging, and Atlanta metro area with the help of a certain signee's dad should help supplement what should be our home bases in Houston, central Texas, and East Texas

short version:  errbody

[UncleBuck 6455]

11 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

I don't really care one way or another if Herman is going to call the plays, but he damn sure needs to shake up the staff accordingly if he is going to continue to do it. It's pointless having an OC up in the booth basically just watching the game like some $200 donor.

Not really. Even when OCs are on the sideline, most will have at least one assistant up in the booth. Someone who is away from the action and can see things from a bird's eye view and tip the play-caller off to some things, look for what they tell them to look for, etc...

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by UncleBuck

[elguapo 4620]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Again, this is a deflection. You have no clue what any of those guys do during the games you just by gosh want him to do what the winners do. You may as well fucking have shown up here and demanded that Tom Herman call the Touchdown Play more often. 

Let me help you with what you don't seem to know: The things that Meyer/Swimmey/Saban do to be successful at such a high level are performed during the other 6 days of the week 90-95% of time, and the other 9 months out of the year. At least at this current era of college football. 

Actually I just don't have any interest continuing and subjecting all of the other fine posters in this establishment to this pointless argument with a verbose blowhard such as yourself.

[NoName 17148]

30 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

So you think Lincoln Riley, offensive wizard, should devote less resources to the area he does as good or better than anyone in the country, to focus more time on say...fixing the defense? An area to which he is much, much less experienced. 

for what it's worth, here is the OU coaching split:

4 Defense: 

• AHC & DC
• AHC & DB
• Inside LB
• Outside LB
• DL

5 Offense:

• Co OC & Inside WR
• Co OC & OL
• AHC& TE &  HBacks
• ST & RB
• Outside WR

[SydneyCarton 49505]

2 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Actually I just don't have any interest continuing and subjecting all of the other fine posters in this establishment to this pointless argument with a verbose blowhard such as yourself.

Excellent response. Thanks for finally responding to none of the questions I posed to you. And how magnanimous of you to quit while you're behind. 

Edited January 8, 2019 by SydneyCarton

[LTtxfan 50005]

3 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

We hired one of the best play callers in the country - we finally have him calling plays - and now people want him to stop?  What the fuck?

 

[elguapo 4620]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

How magnanimous of you to quit while you're behind. 

I was behind your mom last night.

[4th and 5 5006]

Excuse me, but have any of you guys seen the recruiting thread around here?

[IDIOTsavant 8688]

5 minutes ago, 4th and 5 said:

Excuse me, but have any of you guys seen the recruiting thread around here?

This is the Push to 1K: The Story of South Austin's Mom thread.

[Sgt Hulk 14448]

Where’s the recruiting thread?

[Fud 9724]

13 minutes ago, NoName said:

for what it's worth, here is the OU coaching split:

4 Defense: 

• AHC & DC
• AHC & DB
• Inside LB
• Outside LB
• DL

5 Offense:

• Co OC & Inside WR
• Co OC & OL
• AHC& TE &  HBacks
• ST & RB
• Outside WR

...

[GlenFromTheMailRoom 1640]

11 minutes ago, elguapo said:

I was behind your mom last night.

FFS, Can you two take this love affair to the football board?