2019 ATH Bru McCoy

[Dennis Taylor 19344]

That's a whole lot of words describing actions of helicopter parents who allegedly aren't helicopter parents 

[Tex Pete 21485]

So Bru was a homesick bitch who couldn’t handle being away from Mommy. And then he faked being sick because he couldn’t handle the pressure back in Southern California.

I’m sure he’ll pan out. Just keep lots of tampons handy. And a fake doctor nearby. 

[Pato del Muerto 53463]

55 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

That's a whole lot of words describing actions of helicopter parents who allegedly aren't helicopter parents 

And zero words from bru McCoy himself. 

[Gut Wagon 8219]

Will “Petulant Diva” fit on a jersey? 

[Hmmm 155]

This stood out to me the most, especially since it was coming from Naivar. 

“Here comes five-star Bru jumping in, so they all wanted to take a shot at him and get after him, and he didn’t back down. That was impressive for a young guy coming in as a true freshman during spring ball. So that was what most impressed me. Those guys were taking shots at him every day, just to test his worth, for lack of a better term, and he got after it and competed.”

 

Welcome to freshmen orientation.  Oh well, I guess.  I doubt the Texas players treat out of state players any differently, but who knows.  I can see how it could be harder to establish a friend-base coming out of state, but that's something I would expect the program would address. And if the second year players want to challenge a first year 5 star, kudos to them.  That's what competition is about. 

[texifornia 59012]

1 minute ago, Hmmm said:

This stood out to me the most, especially since it was coming from Naivar. 

“Here comes five-star Bru jumping in, so they all wanted to take a shot at him and get after him, and he didn’t back down. That was impressive for a young guy coming in as a true freshman during spring ball. So that was what most impressed me. Those guys were taking shots at him every day, just to test his worth, for lack of a better term, and he got after it and competed.”

 

Welcome to freshmen orientation.  Oh well, I guess.  I doubt the Texas players treat out of state players any differently, but who knows.  I can see how it could be harder to establish a friend-base coming out of state, but that's something I would expect the program would address. And if the second year players want to challenge a first year 5 star, kudos to them.  That's what competition is about. 

I mean he was a five star who's recruitment was an incredibly well publicized circus. In-state or out-of-state, they all wanted to see if he was the real deal.

The only real difference is probably that since no one played him in high school, they really had no idea what he was made of (AngelSoft tissues, as it turned out), so there was a little extra incentive to test him.

[Dennis Taylor 19344]

I thought the fact that they admitted to his mommy going about every 3 weeks (which probably means every other week at most ) was pretty special.  

[Dijon Robinson 1511]

Always fun when this gets bumped as I'm reminded why this thread is almost certainly the worst one on this board

[futureman 22694]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

then he faked being sick because he couldn’t handle the pressure

I didn’t get that far in the article.  he wasn’t really sick?  he actually faked it?

[LTtxfan 49994]

Article was in "The Athletic"

He was worth it’: Bru McCoy’s tumultuous 2019, as those in his corner lived it

 

 

 Ready for Bru's Helicopter Parents to learn discretion and stay out of the damn limelight!!

 

Bru needs to let his play do his talking...

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

And zero words from bru McCoy himself. 

It's not uncommon for teams to restrict media availability for their players.  Mack had a rule that no player could talk to the media until they played in a game, I'm sure usc has something along those lines.  They can't control the player families though. 

The article gave an Interesting perspective though.  

[westexhorn 2162]

39 minutes ago, futureman said:

I didn’t get that far in the article.  he wasn’t really sick?  he actually faked it?

the article said he got mono, then strep, then still had fever after treatment, and was diagnosed with legionella, then still had fever and trying to look for fever and shit.  Eventually it subsided.. something along those lines.

 

5 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Sometime in between Texas and home, Bru had come down with mono. He also got strep throat, keeping him out of USC’s summer workouts until his fever subsided — except when he was finished with his antibiotics, the fever remained. Two more weeks passed, and Bru’s fever had stuck around for a month.

That’s when Horace and Shelby really became worried there was a more serious condition behind all this. On another trip to the doctor, McCoy tested positive for Legionella, which causes an illness similar to pneumonia. He was on another antibiotic for 14 days. At the end of July, his fever persisted.

Some days, Bru would feel good. In the morning he would run a fever, then during the day he’d feel better, and at night it would kick back up again. In search of solutions, his parents moved him out of his apartment because it had a high mold count. They put a HEPA air filter in his room. Bru went to the hospital for three days to rule out cancers.

 

[Tex Pete 21485]

2 hours ago, westexhorn said:

the article said he got mono, then strep, then still had fever after treatment, and was diagnosed with legionella, then still had fever and trying to look for fever and shit.  Eventually it subsided.. something along those lines.

 

 

Right. It’s bullshit. 

[mr. sunshine 2859]

8 hours ago, ChampionshipLevelPiss said:

Always fun when this gets bumped as I'm reminded why this thread is almost certainly the worst one on this board

and yet you couldn’t stay away 

[Dbeasy 15587]

This stood out to me the most, especially since it was coming from Naivar. 

“Here comes five-star Bru jumping in, so they all wanted to take a shot at him and get after him, and he didn’t back down. That was impressive for a young guy coming in as a true freshman during spring ball. So that was what most impressed me. Those guys were taking shots at him every day, just to test his worth, for lack of a better term, and he got after it and competed.”

 

Welcome to freshmen orientation.  Oh well, I guess.  I doubt the Texas players treat out of state players any differently, but who knows.  I can see how it could be harder to establish a friend-base coming out of state, but that's something I would expect the program would address. And if the second year players want to challenge a first year 5 star, kudos to them.  That's what competition is about. 

 

That sounds like a military culture of taking the new guys thru a harassment phase under the ancient theory that it will make them tougher and more effective. The reality, as I’ve now stated multiple times, is that a military style culture in a college football program is probably a disaster strategy. It especially becomes difficult for players coming from out of state.

 

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

 

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

[Ricky's one-hitter 9622]

5 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

That sounds like a military culture of taking the new guys thru a harassment phase under the ancient theory that it will make them tougher and more effective. The reality, as I’ve now stated multiple times, is that a military style culture in a college football program is probably a disaster strategy. It especially becomes difficult for players coming from out of state.

 

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

 

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

Don't overthink it.

[Hank_Hill 20024]

14 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

That sounds like a military culture of taking the new guys thru a harassment phase under the ancient theory that it will make them tougher and more effective. The reality, as I’ve now stated multiple times, is that a military style culture in a college football program is probably a disaster strategy. It especially becomes difficult for players coming from out of state.

 

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

 

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

Mmmm nah he’s just a pussy.

[Newy25 7916]

19 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

That sounds like a military culture of taking the new guys thru a harassment phase under the ancient theory that it will make them tougher and more effective. The reality, as I’ve now stated multiple times, is that a military style culture in a college football program is probably a disaster strategy. It especially becomes difficult for players coming from out of state.

 

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

 

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

No he is just a little bitch. You didn’t see all of the other out of state players run away 

[texifornia 59012]

37 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

That sounds like a military culture of taking the new guys thru a harassment phase under the ancient theory that it will make them tougher and more effective. The reality, as I’ve now stated multiple times, is that a military style culture in a college football program is probably a disaster strategy. It especially becomes difficult for players coming from out of state.

 

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

 

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

It's sports, dude. A guy who came in with that much hype and circus is going to get tested to see if he's really that good.

Also, it's in Naivar's interest to make Bru seem like the good guy since they're at SC together.

[Burt Macklin 19230]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

 

That sounds like a military culture of taking the new guys thru a harassment phase under the ancient theory that it will make them tougher and more effective. The reality, as I’ve now stated multiple times, is that a military style culture in a college football program is probably a disaster strategy. It especially becomes difficult for players coming from out of state.

 

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

 

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

I’m sure if we had more grounded young men and strong leaders, like Zach Evans, then this deplorable culture of competing hard in practice wouldn’t exist. 

[Laga4 1270]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

Don't see anything wrong with this.

[EastTexan 672]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

 

That sounds like a military culture of taking the new guys thru a harassment phase under the ancient theory that it will make them tougher and more effective. The reality, as I’ve now stated multiple times, is that a military style culture in a college football program is probably a disaster strategy. It especially becomes difficult for players coming from out of state.

 

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

 

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

Fuck Pete Carroll.

Although very long, the article made me puke only about three times.

 What a pussy.

[Knoxtnhorn 6303]

11 hours ago, Hmmm said:

This stood out to me the most, especially since it was coming from Naivar. 

“Here comes five-star Bru jumping in, so they all wanted to take a shot at him and get after him, and he didn’t back down. That was impressive for a young guy coming in as a true freshman during spring ball. So that was what most impressed me. Those guys were taking shots at him every day, just to test his worth, for lack of a better term, and he got after it and competed.”

 

Welcome to freshmen orientation.  Oh well, I guess.  I doubt the Texas players treat out of state players any differently, but who knows.  I can see how it could be harder to establish a friend-base coming out of state, but that's something I would expect the program would address. And if the second year players want to challenge a first year 5 star, kudos to them.  That's what competition is about. 

Uh, didn't he do exactly that?

[golfclap 6903]

2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

I agree with you about the 1950s techniques and the modern athlete, it didn't work exceedingly well on the 50s athlete either, but I digress. But this staff isn't like that at all. There isn't a Jim Turner in the bunch, now it is true that Meh is a total dickface but I don't think that was the issue at all. Bru wasn't hazed and brutalized by the guys on this team a la Full Metal Jacket. He was tested between the stripes because that's what top tier guys do. They want every rep against a top tier guy - and they want to push them to the limit. Fostering competition is this staff's MO.  

That entire biased article goes through and glosses over the single biggest issue - Bru missed his fucking girlfriend. That's why he's clearly triggered by the phrase "homesick" because he feels demeaned when it comes up. He clearly has hangups about the fact that he couldn't make it at Texas because he left his high school girlfriend behind. It wasn't about Texas. It wasn't about bullying. It wasn't about Tom Herman. It wasn't about USC, or Clay Helton, or which position coach or OC was in place, because ALL of that was in flux at USC. It was about a girl and he's embarrassed that it was. 

[Thiefery 5108]

10 minutes ago, golfclap said:

I agree with you about the 1950s techniques and the modern athlete, it didn't work exceedingly well on the 50s athlete either, but I digress. But this staff isn't like that at all. There isn't a Jim Turner in the bunch, now it is true that Meh is a total dickface but I don't think that was the issue at all. Bru wasn't hazed and brutalized by the guys on this team a la Full Metal Jacket. He was tested between the stripes because that's what top tier guys do. They want every rep against a top tier guy - and they want to push them to the limit. Fostering competition is this staff's MO.  

That entire biased article goes through and glosses over the single biggest issue - Bru missed his fucking girlfriend. That's why he's clearly triggered by the phrase "homesick" because he feels demeaned when it comes up. He clearly has hangups about the fact that he couldn't make it at Texas because he left his high school girlfriend behind. It wasn't about Texas. It wasn't about bullying. It wasn't about Tom Herman. It wasn't about USC, or Clay Helton, or which position coach or OC was in place, because ALL of that was in flux at USC. It was about a girl and he's embarrassed that it was. 

same girl..still left him lol

[Scholz 12305]

Undefeated

[RomaVicta 30565]

Article: The kid is a fucking hero for dealing with stupid, weak shit he created. Doting parents proud.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

21 minutes ago, golfclap said:

Bru wasn't hazed and brutalized by the guys on this team a la Full Metal Jacket.

Yet. But wait a few years, the story will morph to include that too. 

[Nuge 2031]

11 hours ago, westexhorn said:

the article said he got mono, then strep, then still had fever after treatment, and was diagnosed with legionella, then still had fever and trying to look for fever and shit.  Eventually it subsided.. something along those lines.

 

 

I had walking pneumonia in high school (during track season) and it sounded like this.  Wake up ok, make it through school then track workouts, end up feverish every night.  I got weaker and weaker during the course of the season.  Coach didn't believe I was really sick since I could make it through workouts.   Eventually it caught up to me. 

[victory88 5763]

35 minutes ago, golfclap said:

That entire biased article goes through and glosses over the single biggest issue - Bru missed his fucking girlfriend. That's why he's clearly triggered by the phrase "homesick" because he feels demeaned when it comes up. He clearly has hangups about the fact that he couldn't make it at Texas because he left his high school girlfriend behind. It wasn't about Texas. It wasn't about bullying. It wasn't about Tom Herman. It wasn't about USC, or Clay Helton, or which position coach or OC was in place, because ALL of that was in flux at USC. It was about a girl and he's embarrassed that it was. 

Yup!  He threw away an entire year because he couldn't get over some high school pussy only to get dumped when he got back. 

[JesusSweatDuck 18094]

31 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Yup!  He threw away an entire year because he couldn't get over some high school pussy only to get dumped when he got back. 

The pussy dumped the pussy.

[ShowMeALoss 143]

I am not sure the article answers the key question of why he left Texas. It's clear why left USC the first time but why did he leave Texas? The article makes a weak attempt to answer the question by quoting Naivar on Bru being challenged by Texas safeties but I can't believe that's the reason. Any athlete of that caliber is used to being challenged and taunted by DBs in practice. They prepare for this their whole lives.

 

I also find it funny that the writer implies that the family didn't know if USC would take him back. You are telling me Bru didn't have some assurances from the USC coaching stuff? Let's all pretend that didn't take place.

 

This is nothing more than an attempt by the McCoy family and USC to try to do a damage control before his spring game debut. I didn't learn anything new and all I read was some fiction.

[Stunns38 3805]

I agree with the poster who said he was too embarrassed to admit it was over a girl. That right there should tell you that he’s probably mentally weak and won’t face adversity well.

[Tex Pete 21485]

1 hour ago, Nuge said:

I had walking pneumonia in high school (during track season) and it sounded like this.  Wake up ok, make it through school then track workouts, end up feverish every night.  I got weaker and weaker during the course of the season.  Coach didn't believe I was really sick since I could make it through workouts.   Eventually it caught up to me. 

Sounds like you had a case of the... Bru-han Flu.

[futureman 22694]

5 hours ago, Newy25 said:

No he is just a little bitch. You didn’t see all of the other out of state players run away 

[Gut Wagon 8219]

5 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Yet. But wait a few years, the story will morph to include that too. 

And how he had to leave Texas before cops found those five dead hookers in a gold Trans-Am parked in an electrical shed...or something. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

Just now, Gut Wagon said:

And how he had to leave Texas before cops found those five dead hookers in a gold Trans-Am parked in an electrical shed...or something. 

Please. 
 

they’re called ‘escorts’

[texifornia 59012]

1 minute ago, Doc Reeves said:

Please. 
 

they’re called ‘escorts’

[Sgt Hulk 14426]

9 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

 

That sounds like a military culture of taking the new guys thru a harassment phase under the ancient theory that it will make them tougher and more effective. The reality, as I’ve now stated multiple times, is that a military style culture in a college football program is probably a disaster strategy. It especially becomes difficult for players coming from out of state.

 

The player talent of this generation does not respond favorably to 1950’s training techniques. There are some interesting articles out there about how Pete Carroll figured this out. The culture is obviously being set by Herman and this could ultimately be his undoing.

 

Note, you can have a tough environment that demands performance without demeaning young men.

sounds like something pussies would say

[Dbeasy 15587]

There’s little doubt McCoy was a Pussy. My comment was about the specific techniques Herman’s employing. The runny eggs and all that other bullshit is stupid.

 

[Hank_Hill 20024]

Sure but it has jack shit to do with this situation 

[Hmmm 155]

12 hours ago, texifornia said:

It's sports, dude. A guy who came in with that much hype and circus is going to get tested to see if he's really that good.

Also, it's in Naivar's interest to make Bru seem like the good guy since they're at SC together.

Kinda funny how Naivar throws shade at former players that he was coaching.  As if he had no control over the DBs who were taking shots at Bru.  Some coaches are very good politicians.  Don't know much about Naivar and his ability to coach-speak.  Then again, culture normally trickles down from the top.

Edited March 11, 2020 by Hmmm

[futureman 22694]

12 minutes ago, Hmmm said:

Naivar throws shade

didn’t seem like he was throwing any shade. 

[Burt Macklin 19230]

18 minutes ago, Hmmm said:

Kinda funny how Naivar throws shade at former players that he was coaching.  As if he had no control over the DBs who were taking shots at Bru.  Some coaches are very good politicians.  Don't know much about Naivar and his ability to coach-speak.  Then again, culture normally trickles down from the top.

None of that was throwing shade at our DBs. What are you and dbeasy smoking?
There’s nothing negative about our most talented DBs wanting to challenge a top 10 rated player in the country in practice. 

[Hmmm 155]

16 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

None of that was throwing shade at our DBs. What are you and dbeasy smoking?
There’s nothing negative about our most talented DBs wanting to challenge a top 10 rated player in the country in practice. 

if you read my prior post, you would know i do not think anything is wrong with competition (or challenge as you put it).   i don't know where you got that from.  perhaps you should smoke more.  but to "take a shot" at someone, and in context of the article, does seem rather shade-worthy.  very possible his quote was taken out of context or he could have used better words.

as a coach, i would never encourage players to "take a shot" at someone unless they were playing basketball.

Edited March 11, 2020 by Hmmm

[Dbeasy 15587]

None of that was throwing shade at our DBs. What are you and dbeasy smoking?
There’s nothing negative about our most talented DBs wanting to challenge a top 10 rated player in the country in practice. 

Your mischaracterization of my comments sure makes it look like you don’t have a lot of experience leading a large number of young men. Do you have any experience at all leading more than a Boy Scout troop? Let me guess. You probably are a nice little team leader or a manager. Impressive.

As I’ve previously said, and you continuously can’t seem to understand, it’s not about challenging a player. I already stated that. Is that too difficult for you to discern?

[Hmmm 155]

12 minutes ago, Hmmm said:

if you read my prior post, you would know i do not think anything is wrong with competition (or challenge as you put it).   i don't know where you got that from.  perhaps you should smoke more.  but to "take a shot" at someone, and in context of the article, does seem rather shade-worthy.  very possible his quote was taken out of context or he could have used better words.

as a coach, i would never encourage players to "take a shot" at someone unless they were playing basketball.

and if you can't understand the duality of that quote within the context of the article, well, i can't help ya make that connection

[Ricky's one-hitter 9622]

Shut it down

[texifornia 59012]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

 

Your mischaracterization of my comments sure makes it look like you don’t have a lot of experience leading a large number of young men. Do you have any experience at all leading more than a Boy Scout troop? Let me guess. You probably are a nice little team leader or a manager. Impressive.

As I’ve previously said, and you continuously can’t seem to understand, it’s not about challenging a player. I already stated that. Is that too difficult for you to discern?

 

So you're talking about Herman's burnt eggs thing, not DBs trying to take on McCoy a little rougher than the average freshman in practice. So your original comment was totally unrelated to the article and the piece you quoted then? 

[Hmmm 155]

15 minutes ago, texifornia said:

So you're talking about Herman's burnt eggs thing, not DBs trying to take on McCoy a little rougher than the average freshman in practice. So your original comment was totally unrelated to the article and the piece you quoted then? 

i'm not defending dbeasy and will let them speak for themself, but curious, why you disregard "DBs trying to take on McCoy a little rougher than the average freshman in practice".

most coaches encourage older players not only to challenge but to teach/embrace them as teammates. your quote almost suggests McCoy was a target (bc he was a 5 star or out-of-stater?).

Edited March 11, 2020 by Hmmm