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Magus Ossis

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6 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

In late December I asked a doctor friend about "Enobosarm" (a.k.a. "Ostarine"). She is a doctor and does medical research for a living, publishing in several medical journals each year.

Research MD asked: "Why? Are you taking it?"

Napoleon: "I read about some athletes being suspended for having traces of it in their system, so I looked it up to see what it was."

Research MD responded: "It's not on the market. It's only in some supplements -- failed phase III trials. No sane person would take it."

It looks like you have to search for this shit just to get it in your system. It's doesn't seem like it "just shows up". Perhaps Magnus Ossis can explain what "failing phase III trials" means in laymen's terms.
 

Phase 3 is the late stage of testing to get FDA approval. It is where the appropriate dose is determined and safety is assessed. If there is not a dose found to be reliably both safe and efficacious, the drug is not approved. They do this by actually it to people.

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4 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Phase 3 is the late stage of testing to get FDA approval. It is where the appropriate dose is determined and safety is assessed. If there is not a dose found to be reliably both safe and efficacious, the drug is not approved. They do this by actually it to people.

So you're saying that perhaps a bunch of Clemson football players made a little money on the side by being Ostarine guinea pigs for ~$600 for two weekends?

Pharmco is back!

(Pharmco used to advertise all the time in The Daily Texan when I was in college. They are kind of the pharmaceutical answer to Scientology. They pray on poor & lost college students.)

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Dabo Swinney says Clemson may have mistakenly provided PEDs

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Clemson may have mistakenly provided performance-enhancing drugs to players, Tigers coach Dabo Swinney acknowledged to The Post and Courier on Saturday.

Defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence, offensive lineman Zach Giella and tight end Braden Gallowayfailed an NCAA drug test ahead of the College Football Playoff Semifinal against Notre Dame in December and did not play in the postseason after testing positive for ostarine.

“Oh yeah, I mean, there’s a chance that it could come from anything,” Swinney said when asked if it’s possible the players ingested ostarine in a Clemson-issued supplement. “They’re going to test everything and look at everything. And that’s the problem. As you really look at this stuff, it could be a contaminant that came from anything, that was something that was cleared and not a problem, and all of a sudden, it becomes there was something.”

It's been over a month since Clemson appealed the three player suspensions to the NCAA and the university is still awaiting word on how the banned substance made its way to players.

Swinney told The Post and Courier that the process is out of his hands and that the university’s legal team is still looking into all possibilities, which includes the chance that Clemson gave the players something the athletic department thought was cleared by the NCAA.

“It’s a huge undertaking, and I really have not been in that loop,” Swinney said of the appeal process, via The State. “I’ve gone and seen Dan maybe like a minute here and a minute there over the last several weeks. I now that they’re all working through that.”

Lawrence has entered the NFL Draft while Galloway and Giella are ineligible to play in games (but can practice) until Clemson's appeal is complete.

"Ostarine is a product used to boost muscle growth and prevent muscle wasting, which is a result you would normally expect from steroids," according to MYNVFI.org. "However, Ostarine differs from traditional anabolic steroids in the way it affects your body. Most notably, with Ostarine you can avoid some of the most common unwanted side effects of steroids."

 


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Butch Had Not

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3 hours ago, Napoleon said:

So you're saying that perhaps a bunch of Clemson football players made a little money on the side by being Ostarine guinea pigs for ~$600 for two weekends?

Pharmco is back!

(Pharmco used to advertise all the time in The Daily Texan when I was in college. They are kind of the pharmaceutical answer to Scientology. They pray on poor & lost college students.)

Stay a weekend,  swallow some charcoal. Good times. 

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3 minutes ago, runthebone said:

Phase 3 is effectiveness; earlier phases are more about safety. 

From the FDA website:

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Phase 3 studies provide most of the safety data.

Safety comes up at multiple levels of testing, but is a big deal at phase 3. Phase 4 is the final confirming dose/safety phase. Phase 3 looks in particular for rarer or late-developing adverse effects.

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On 2/9/2019 at 8:57 PM, VABuckeye said:

Dexter Lawrence self-reported that his test came back at .02%. It was tweeted today that you only get to that level from the needle.  Swinney is full of shit. 

Ostarine...ovaltine...it was really just a decoder ring mix-up. can happen to anyone

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10 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Is the supplemental NFL Draft still available to players in this situation??

maybe, but Galloway is only one year out of high school so he couldn't do that, and Giella has only played about 200 snaps in 3 seasons plus a redshirt year 

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https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/clemson/clemson-ostarine-emails-reveal-in-house-probe-theories-that-include/article_3a8fb38e-82ea-11e9-ad54-6ffd7af75a33.html

Clemson ostarine emails reveal in-house probe, theories that include food tampering

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Clemson athletic department managers immediately started asking questions in-house after three football players tested positive for the performance-enhancing drug ostarine just before the Cotton Bowl.

Associate Athletic Director Natalie Honnen sent an email to Director of Football Nutrition Paul Harrington asking for “verification that all supplements are … certified and PED free.”

School officials also entertained unsolicited theories about the source of the illegal substance, including one fan’s belief the Tigers were victims of food tampering while at the ACC Championship Game in Charlotte.

Emails obtained by The Post and Courier via a public records request show how Clemson over five months investigated the ostarine case between the Cotton Bowl and the NCAA’s denial of an appeal last week.

And the heavily redacted documents — only 33 of them — show what little light Clemson is willing to shed on an issue that cost tight end Braden Galloway and offensive lineman Zach Giella their 2019 eligibility.

Star defensive lineman Dexter Lawrence also was banned from two College Football Playoff games on Clemson’s march to a second national championship in three years. But Lawrence left early for the NFL and was the New York Giants’ first-round draft pick in April.

Fewer than 20 Clemson players were tested as a matter of NCAA random selection routine for a championship football event. There were 125 players on the official roster.

The Post and Courier requested all ostarine-related emails, text messages and other correspondence from Dec. 1 to Feb. 10 involving athletic director Dan Radakovich, head coach Dabo Swinney, president Jim Clements and members of the sports medicine, training and nutrition staffs.

Clemson didn’t provide any correspondence involving  Swinney or Clements, except for Swinney’s pre-Cotton Bowl news conference statements, which were also heavily redacted.

But it did include a pair of emails sent to Clemson with thoughts on how players might have ingested the illegal PED.

Food tampering theory
“As a side note,” a person whose name is redacted wrote Radakovich in December, “Clemson does a lot of charitable work in hospitals with patients that could put players in jeopardy of being exposed to unknown chemicals.”

Another email was copied to six athletic department officials from a “serious tiger fan” in December. It puts forth the idea that Clemson players may have ingested ostarine as a result of food tampering at a team meal in Charlotte prior to the ACC Championship Game against Pittsburgh on Dec. 1.

“With the expectations for Clemson to return to ACCCG, someone (maybe a food service worker or supplier) with bad intent had 12 months to plan a way to drop some powder on dessert or into a beef dish,” the fan wrote. “… Another scenario could be a local restaurant (near campus) that served beef with Ostarine. This is a stretch, but keep in mind NFL players have ingested steroids by eating at restaurants in Mexico.”

Also in the emails released is a Feb. 4, 2019, warning to all Clemson athletes from Caitlin Davis, Clemson’s Coordinator of Olympic Sports Nutrition.

“As it relates to supplement safety,” Davis writes, “if you choose to consume a supplement that is not provided to you by the athletic department, please reach out to your team dietitian or athletic trainer for safety inquires. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN NCAA APPROVED SUPPLEMENT! The NCAA does not approve any supplements. In addition, just because there are no banned substances listed on the supplement facts label or in the ingredients list, doesn’t mean it’s 100% safe. If you test positive, you test positive.

“Every supplement you choose to take on your own puts you at risk if you do not ask beforehand. So always ask before you buy or take any supplements of any kind.”

Swinney in February told The Post and Courier the school could have given ostarine to the players by mistake.

Tracing ‘trace’ amounts
The Clemson information released also includes three Post and Courier stories about the ostarine case and a memo in which an athletic department official anticipates Radakovich will have to answer questions from journalists and “message board guys” covering the team.

Radakovich in an official statement released last week after the NCAA appeal denial said Clemson “takes seriously” its role in testing for PEDs and providing allowed supplements.

“We will continue to adhere to best practices with respect to supplement use by student-athletes and support the position of the NCAA in its testing for PEDs,” Radakovich said.

Clemson said its athletes have taken 329 tests for PEDs since 2014 and all results have been negative “except for the trace amounts found during the December 2018 tests.”

Representatives of Galloway and Giella last week said the players unknowingly had trace amounts of the PED in their systems and have no idea where it came from.

Clemson and the NCAA have refused to provide access to any test results or define what “trace amounts” mean relative to the standard for a positive NCAA drug test. There is nothing in the provided emails showing Clemson asked for “trace amounts” clarification, unless it was very redacted. 

The Clemson case was rare: NCAA records obtained by The Post and Courier show that approximately 1,110 athletes were drug-tested each year for championship events over the last three years with an average of fewer than 10 per year testing positive for PEDs on the NCAA’s banned list.

 

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