Game 25: Texas vs. Kansas State, 8 PM, ESPN2

[Braff Zacklin 13,672]

1 minute ago, SquishMitten said:

but it sure sucks to lose when you were the better team 75% of the game 

K-State was in control virtually the entire second half, bruh.

[sunset87 250]

Bad shooting night and KSt played out of their ass on offense. Their shooting percentage was ridiculous.

[GreenspointTexas 9,867]

 

[dcar00 14,608]

Just now, texasstrong12 said:

K-State was ready to fire Weber just 2 years ago. 

thats why I said we could have had him for nothing.  

[dcar00 14,608]

2 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

K-State was ready to fire Weber just 2 years ago after not winning a single tournament game in the first 5 years. 

Shaka's right on track to be the equal of Bruce Weber.

[texasstrong12 4,668]

Just now, dcar00 said:

thats why I said we could have had him for nothing.  

Weber isn't exactly a good example of getting a coach you want after firing Shaka 4 years in. Shaka is likely going to have a better resume than Weber did in his first 5 years at K-State. 

[OU Sucks 9,084]

I really shouldn't watch Texas BB when I already have depression.

[SquishMitten 10,462]

1 minute ago, Braff Zacklin said:

K-State was in control virtually the entire second half, bruh.

I won’t necessarily argue with that because scoreboard. But if we hadn’t thrown up so many got damned threes for no reason this might be a different conversation.

[Braff Zacklin 13,672]

3 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

I won’t necessarily argue with that because scoreboard. But if we hadn’t thrown up so many got damned threes for no reason this might be a different conversation.

K-State played almost the entire first half in man, but switched to zone with a minute to go for our final two possessions. At that point, we were 2-for-5 from BTA. We missed three 3s on those final two possessions, and then shot 2 for 11 from deep in the second half.

Roach, Coleman, and Ramey are great against man cuz they can get by their guy and get to the rim whenever, but if they aren't hitting from outside, we're fucked when we play a zone.

Edited February 13, 2019 by Braff Zacklin

[Horn80 6,240]

1 minute ago, OU Sucks said:

I really shouldn't watch Texas BB when I already have depression.

Well, on the bright side that Georgia bulldog is still in PTSD therapy.

[LTtxfan 49,405]

3 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

I won’t necessarily argue with that because scoreboard. But if we hadn’t thrown up so many got damned threes for no reason this might be a different conversation.

Turnovers and poor defense also contributed to Horns loss tonight.

[dcar00 14,608]

5 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

Weber isn't exactly a good example of getting a coach you want after firing Shaka 4 years in. Shaka is likely going to have a better resume than Weber did in his first 5 years at K-State. 

yes I know, the whole point was that Bruce Weber sucks and our coach isn't any better than he is really.  that is my point.

[Braff Zacklin 13,672]

Just now, dcar00 said:

yes I know, the whole point was that Bruce Weber sucks and our coach isn't any better than he is really.

Eh. He made a Final Four (with Bill Self's players).

[texasstrong12 4,668]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

yes I know, the whole point was that Bruce Weber sucks and our coach isn't any better than he is really.  that is my point.

I don't think Bruce Weber sucks. He's not elite but he's a good coach. K-State fans tried to run him out of town before giving him a chance. 

[Machinator 32,099]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

yes I know, the whole point was that Bruce Weber sucks and our coach isn't any better than he is really.  that is my point.

He's a good Xs and Os coach. As a program maintainer and elevator, not so much.

[SquishMitten 10,462]

6 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

K-State played almost the entire first half in man, but switched to zone with a minute to go for our final two possessions. At that point, we were 2-for-5 from BTA. We missed three 3s on those final two possessions, and then shot 2 for 11 from deep in the second half.

Roach, Coleman, and Ramey are great against man cuz they can get by their guy and get to the rim whenever, but if they aren't hitting from outside, we're fucked when we play a zone.

 

4 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Turnovers and poor defense also contributed to Horns loss tonight.

I don’t think any of us are disagreeing 

[dcar00 14,608]

2 minutes ago, Machinator said:

He's a good Xs and Os coach. As a program maintainer and elevator, not so much.

  OK I give Bruce Weber is decidedly average.  Unfortunately we have none of the above.

[sunset87 250]

As shitty as the team played in the 2nd half, still had a decent chance of getting a win.

[VirginiaLonghorn 4,808]

1 minute ago, sunset87 said:

As shitty as the team played in the 2nd half, still had a decent chance of getting a win.

Until someone screamed RAID and Roach went beserk ...

[Burt Macklin 19,097]

22 minutes ago, Horn80 said:

Too many sloppy turn overs in both half’s in my opinion 

Yep. Roach went full regard about 5 too many times tonight. Sims had at least one terrible TO where he left his feet before passing. I'm sure there were others, but we needed to protect the ball better against a Kst team that's not great at generating its own offense. 

[Jhawk 1,075]

This was one of the most boring games I’ve watched. Not trying to be a dick but KSU was just mediocre and UT was a little less than mediocre. It wasn’t a classic mucky game from KSU and neither team ever really made a play to win the game or to pull away. It was truly just ho-hum until time ran out. Weird game to watch for me. 

[Machinator 32,099]

3 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

This was one of the most boring games I’ve watched. Not trying to be a dick but KSU was just mediocre and UT was a little less than mediocre. It wasn’t a classic mucky game from KSU and neither team ever really made a play to win the game or to pull away. It was truly just ho-hum until time ran out. Weird game to watch for me. 

The first half was good for UT, the second half was reversion to the mean.

[CurlyDumps 4,551]

It was so frustrating, felt like we couldn’t buy a fucking bucket after a KSU miss or turnover. Couldn’t put together any kind of run.  Guards shit themselves. Hayes couldn’t finish a few chances at the rim. Ramey was...not on the floor? Maybe a smarter b-ball mind can explain that one.

Edited February 13, 2019 by CurlyDumps

[Jhawk 1,075]

I really wanted UT for obvious reasons but the never gave me a reason to get into the game. I don’t want to project my experience onto your guys or the fan base in general, but if the UT fans watched the game and saw what I saw in how boring it was then I understand why the FEC is empty much of the time. 

[LTtxfan 49,405]

4 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

This was one of the most boring games I’ve watched. Not trying to be a dick but KSU was just mediocre and UT was a little less than mediocre. It wasn’t a classic mucky game from KSU and neither team ever really made a play to win the game or to pull away. It was truly just ho-hum until time ran out. Weird game to watch for me. 

Damn..... worst post I've ever seen from Jhawk and I've read a lot of your posts......

Eat a Snickers......

[Braff Zacklin 13,672]

Odds Derka was the fan who kept yelling to put Ramey back in?

And I've no idea why Ramey sat for such a long spell in the second. Wonder if he said or did something that peeved Shaka.

[Machinator 32,099]

Just now, Braff Zacklin said:

Odds Derka was the fan who kept yelling to put Ramey back in?

And I've no idea why Ramey sat for such a long spell in the second. Wonder if he said or did something that peeved Shaka.

Derka was at the Westlake game today.

[Jhawk 1,075]

Just now, LTtxfan said:

Damn..... worst post I've ever seen from Jhawk and I've read a lot of your posts......

Eat a Snickers......

Meh... don’t mean to offend, just couldn’t get into the game at all based on what I was watching. 

[Braff Zacklin 13,672]

Just now, Machinator said:

Derka was at the Westlake game today.

Oh, haha. He didn't post tonight so I figured he was at the FEC.

[LTtxfan 49,405]

2 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

And I've no idea why Ramey sat for such a long spell in the second. Wonder if he said or did something that peeved Shaka.

Ramey committed two stupid fouls within a minute of each other in the 2nd half.

Edited February 13, 2019 by LTtxfan

[HtownHorn 14,922]

27 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Shaka's right on track to be the equal of Bruce Weber.

Except Bruce Weber beats his ass more times than not.

[sunset87 250]

7 minutes ago, Machinator said:

The first half was good for UT, the second half was reversion to the mean.

2nd half was horribad. Felt like they had nothing left in the tank after the aggressive, attacking style they played in the first half.

[Machinator 32,099]

1 minute ago, sunset87 said:

2nd half was horribad. Felt like they had nothing left in the tank after the aggressive, attacking style they played in the first half.

They ran into a team that was actually capable of playing zone for more than a couple possessions. The results were predictable.

[markstanco 12,653]

When I watched Sims played well. Then I looked at the box and he only got 8 minutes? I guess I missed something important.

[LTtxfan 49,405]

11 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

Meh... don’t mean to offend, just couldn’t get into the game at all based on what I was watching. 

39 to 35 halftime score...... 1st Half was well played.  Too many bad offensive possessions for Horns in 2nd Half lead to easy offense for K-State.

Don't get your critique about "KSU was just mediocre"..... KSU played great 2nd half defense and was highly efficient on offense.  KSU is one of the top defensive teams in the country......

Maybe you're just frustrated "rock chalk" is 2 games behind wildcats in the loss column??

Edited February 13, 2019 by LTtxfan
Take it easy Jhawk

[Machinator 32,099]

1 minute ago, markstanco said:

When I watched Sims played well. Then I looked at the box and he only got 8 minutes? I guess I missed something important.

He's not that great if he's given starter minutes.

[sunset87 250]

1 minute ago, Machinator said:

They ran into a team that was actually capable of playing zone for more than a couple possessions. The results were predictable.

Yeah they obviously struggled with the zone, but even when KSt went back to m2m they weren’t getting to the rim.

[Revolution512 1,505]

3 minutes ago, Machinator said:

He's not that great if he's given starter minutes.

He’s not much help against a zone either

[LTtxfan 49,405]

Just now, sunset87 said:

Yeah they obviously struggled with the zone, but even when KSt went back to m2m they weren’t getting to the rim.

Agree..... poor execution on offense in 2nd Half was hard to watch.  Snoop played great in 1st half, and then horrible in 2nd.  Not sure what kinda game Coleman was playing in 2nd Half but it wasn't basketball??

[sunset87 250]

4 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

39 to 35 halftime score...... 1st Half was well played.  Too many bad offensive possessions for Horns in 2nd Half lead to easy offense for K-State.

Don't get your critique about "KSU was just mediocre"..... KSU played great 2nd half defense and was highly efficient on offense.  KSU is one of the top defensive teams in the country......

Maybe you're just frustrated "rock chalk" is 2 games behind wildcats in the loss column??

Yeah, I don’t get that either. “KSt was mediocre”, my ass. That has to be one of their better offensive games of the season.

[Machinator 32,099]

4 minutes ago, sunset87 said:

Yeah they obviously struggled with the zone, but even when KSt went back to m2m they weren’t getting to the rim.

By that time it was just our usual poor crunchtime execution.

[Machinator 32,099]

3 minutes ago, sunset87 said:

Yeah, I don’t get that either. “KSt was mediocre”, my ass. That has to be one of their better offensive games of the season.

I don't think he wants to admit it, but Jhawk is rationalizing away the fact that the streak might be ending by convincing himself that KU is really shitty and KSU/Tech will win because they're less shitty.

Edited February 13, 2019 by Machinator

[Machinator 32,099]

Not acceptable, Shaka.

 

[sunset87 250]

1 minute ago, Machinator said:

Not acceptable, Shaka.

 

When your supposed best 3 point shooter struggles to make free throws, you might rethink your “judgment”.

[Tired Horn 743]

4 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Not acceptable, Shaka.

 

Too many "judgment calls" not panning out leads to a new coach.

Hopefully one with better judgment.

[Catdaddyhorn 3,448]

28 minutes ago, markstanco said:

When I watched Sims played well. Then I looked at the box and he only got 8 minutes? I guess I missed something important.

Sims loses his man on defense way to often to leave him in for extended periods of time. That and he's a nothing burger on the other end of the court half the time. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3,448]

23 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Not acceptable, Shaka.

 

I guess. That same player damn near single handedly won us the game against the same team last time we played them. You can fault him for sticking with Febres too long, but to say it was poor judgment to go with a guy who went 7-9 from 3 the last time he saw this opponent is just results based logic and doesn't really represent any real-time, in the moment flaw in his decision making.  

Edited February 13, 2019 by Catdaddyhorn

[immortal13 4,059]

52 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

It was so frustrating, felt like we couldn’t buy a fucking bucket after a KSU miss or turnover. Couldn’t put together any kind of run.  Guards shit themselves. Hayes couldn’t finish a few chances at the rim. Ramey was...not on the floor? Maybe a smarter b-ball mind can explain that one.

PM Shaka?

[Machinator 32,099]

2 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

I guess. That same player damn near single handedly won us the game against the same team last time we played them. You can fault him for sticking with Febres too long, but to say it was poor judgment to go with a guy who went 7-9 from 3 the last time he saw this opponent is just results based logic and doesn't really represent any real-time, in the moment flaw in his decision making.  

It's about having a feel for the game. Nothing about Febres' performance indicated that he was about to catch fire today, and as a player he's way too inconsistent from game to game to have a rotational strategy based on that.

Moreover, it's not like he was choosing between the lesser of two evils. Courtney Ramey was absolutely balling for much of the game, and Febres most certainly was not. Whatever Febres might bring to the table most certainly does not outweight all the things Ramey does better (which is pretty much everything besides BTA shooting at this point, and if you look at the most recent stretch of games, Ramey was better at that too).

[Braff Zacklin 13,672]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Ramey committed two stupid fouls within a minute of each other in the 2nd half.

Naw. See that Brian Davis tweet that Mach posted. Shaka out-thought himself here.