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Judge, I would let it lie at this point. If they don’t see that it was worth investigating at this point, to your point it says more about them at this point.

It wasn’t worth sending 15 agents to look into. I don’t think anyone really has a problem with a response and investigation, but it was over the top.
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On 6/26/2020 at 9:23 AM, Casual Encounter said:

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The most reasonable story here was that something happened to her that she wanted to keep quiet. She went home, told her mom a lie hoping that would be the end of it, her mom forced her to call to police because her mom believed the lie, and now she's stuck. The mom is the idiot for taking it to this level not the daughter.

Many teenagers do this but the key is to make the situation end when you lie to your parents. I recall I screwed up my car's paint job when I was 17 and I couldn't think of a lie that sounded remotely believable. I just told the crazy story of how an accident only scratched a straight line of paint off the hood. Took the punishment for it.

Assuming that she's lying, coming clean ASAP is the right move here. The story on CNN reads like the police don't believe her, since they're stating that they have to believe every victim report. That isn't a normal statement from the police.

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I pretty much agree with AoC.  But, I also get that in these times, black folks and other PoC may be hypervigilant about such things.

Add in the clickbait press and institutions like NASCAR that are paralytically afraid of being branded racist or insensitive, and this is what you get.

Beanbag makes the righteous point that if it weren't for the acts of true racism, we wouldn't have any of the rest of it.

So, while the state of affairs is regrettable, one of the first things to change it is the acts of racism.

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7 minutes ago, elfenix said:

pushing back on the people who felt smug after learning it rather than relieved.  you know who you are. 

and YOU accused me of being Quixotic... LOlz.  Now you're trying to claim some sort of moral high ground in the way you viewed a situation that was nothing.

Push em back! Push em back!  Waaaaaaaaaay back!!!

 

Some of us just dislike the bullshit hysteria, that's all.   Everything's a gotdam threat these days.   It distracts from the things that really are...

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2 minutes ago, Iceman said:

and YOU accused me of being Quixotic... LOlz.

 

Push em back! Push em back!  Waaaaaaaaaay back!!!

 

Some of us just dislike the bullshit hysteria, that's all.   Everything's a gotdam threat these days.   It distracts from the things that really are...

take it up with these guys then:

 

 

and that's just the people posting memes.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Axiom of Choice said:

 

Just got off some calls, so here is my honest, non chickenshit/fraudulent response:

I think any reasonable group of adults could have handled and diffused this situation easily.  Just go check to see what the rope was for, pull on it to see if it is a noose or loop, find out who tied it that way and why.  They probably would have found some garage mechanic who said I tie loops that way sometimes and tied it a long time ago, and he could apologize for any offense and even apologize directly to Bubba if needed.  Whatever happened, the situation could have been resolved easily and answers could be given to any concerned party.  It is insanity to send in 15 federal agents for what could be resolved just by asking a few very obvious questions.  You may think this was the right course of action, but I disagree and do not think we need this amount of hand holding to act civilly and resolve issues.  

Regarding the impact, I think sensationalized stories like this only serve to further alienate and make various groups feel unwelcome in this country.  I think we all have the same end goals and would like for all groups, races, ethnicities, etc, to feel welcome here.  Obviously, we need to work on eradicating tribalism and racism, but we also need to not constantly broadcast fictitious racist incidents.  This works against our mutual end goals.  In the last few weeks, there have been a number of false stories about public hangings, nooses in parks, noose hanging in nascar garage, etc.  As soon as one story gets proven false, another replaces it.  None of these stories should have been given national attention, as they were all easily dismissed and they further send the message to minority groups that they are not welcome here.  I do not want that for our country.     

i too wish we lived in a society where a rope tied a particular way, found in one garage and one garage only, could be simply dismissed as the work of a crew member looking for a better way to grip said rope.  i also wish i came diamonds and was sitting on a beach earning 20%. 

unfortunately, out in the real world we have people paying good money to pull a confederate battle flag above the track, protestors outside angry that they can't fly the confederate battle flag, and some asshole in north carolina selling 'bubba rope':

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STOKES COUNTY — The owner of 311 Speedway here advertised “Bubba Rope” for sale on a Facebook page in the wake of controversy surrounding NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace's announcement that a noose had been found in his garage at Talladega Superspeedway.

In the ad, Mike Fulp, 55, of Lawsonville, who owns the half-mile dirt race track near the Rockingham County line, listed “Bubba Rope’’ for sale with a pitch: “Buy your Bubba Rope today for only $9.99 each, they come with a lifetime warranty and work great.’’

https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/speedway-owner-posts-facebook-ad-for-bubba-rope-in-wake-of-wallace-noose-incident/article_bae21069-37fa-5042-9017-fad413c01300.html

so, again, ask yourself why you need the story to not just be that the noose wasn't intentionally placed for the purpose of intimidation, but rather that cutting it down and taking it to nascar was completely baseless and irrational in the first place?

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6 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Link to evidence that every other garage with a rope (from video it appears they all have one) not having a loop tied to the bottom?  Has that been printed somewhere?

and best you avoid the world of fishing and rock climbing to be safe. 
 

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are there other knots?  yes.  are there other nooses?  no. 

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pushing back on the people who felt smug after learning it rather than relieved.  you know who you are. 

Or continuing on for those that were disappointed because it didn’t allow them to perpetuate their stereotypes...which of course they will tell you how much they hate stereotypes and “both sides”. You know who you are.

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47 minutes ago, Hate said:


Or continuing on for those that were disappointed because it didn’t allow them to perpetuate their stereotypes...which of course they will tell you how much they hate stereotypes and “both sides”. You know who you are.
 

shaun king and jesse jackson aren't posting here. 

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5 hours ago, Iceman said:

and YOU accused me of being Quixotic... LOlz.  Now you're trying to claim some sort of moral high ground in the way you viewed a situation that was nothing.

Push em back! Push em back!  Waaaaaaaaaay back!!!

 

Some of us just dislike the bullshit hysteria, that's all.   Everything's a gotdam threat these days.   It distracts from the things that really are...

This. <captain obvious>Every fake hate crime dilutes actual hate crimes.</captain obvious> We should celebrate the fact the latter seems to be pretty rare these days.

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This. Every fake hate crime dilutes actual hate crimes.obvious> We should celebrate the fact the latter seems to be pretty rare these days.

If someone thinks less of a real hate crime or responds differently because of the existence of fake ones, that’s their problem and they probably didn’t give a fuck about the real issues anyway.
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If someone thinks less of a real hate crime or responds differently because of the existence of fake ones, that’s their problem and they probably didn’t give a fuck about the real issues anyway.


They are everyone’s problem. You can wish they didn’t exist and ignore them but that’s how we got here. /noCR

Speak up and speak up often.
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Oregon politician wrote racist letter to himself, police say

UMATILLA COUNTY, Ore. -- A man who claimed he received a hate-filled, racist letter from an anonymous person allegedly wrote the letter himself, Hermiston Police say.

Chief Jason Edmiston tells KEPR-TV News that the criminal investigation for second-degree intimidation due to the racist, hate-filled letter received by Jonathan Lopez on June 23 has been closed. The matter will be referred this week to the Umatilla County District Attorney’s Office for initiating a false report - a Class A misdemeanor in Oregon.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-politician-wrote-racist-letter-to-himself-police-say/ar-BB16rda6

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Hasn't this happened a few times already in the last few months? 

Has anyone thought to turn police onto journaling or scrap-booking to capture their internal racist shit?  

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36 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Oregon politician wrote racist letter to himself, police say

UMATILLA COUNTY, Ore. -- A man who claimed he received a hate-filled, racist letter from an anonymous person allegedly wrote the letter himself, Hermiston Police say.

Chief Jason Edmiston tells KEPR-TV News that the criminal investigation for second-degree intimidation due to the racist, hate-filled letter received by Jonathan Lopez on June 23 has been closed. The matter will be referred this week to the Umatilla County District Attorney’s Office for initiating a false report - a Class A misdemeanor in Oregon.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-politician-wrote-racist-letter-to-himself-police-say/ar-BB16rda6

Bet he worked at APD before running for office 

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elainebenes/ "Well, you're the only Racist Mexican Schizophrenic Policeman in Eastern Oregon..."

Lopez:  "Are you an assassin?"  

(insert unnecessary lethal force joke here) 

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Oregon politician wrote racist letter to himself, police say

UMATILLA COUNTY, Ore. -- A man who claimed he received a hate-filled, racist letter from an anonymous person allegedly wrote the letter himself, Hermiston Police say.

Chief Jason Edmiston tells KEPR-TV News that the criminal investigation for second-degree intimidation due to the racist, hate-filled letter received by Jonathan Lopez on June 23 has been closed. The matter will be referred this week to the Umatilla County District Attorney’s Office for initiating a false report - a Class A misdemeanor in Oregon.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-politician-wrote-racist-letter-to-himself-police-say/ar-BB16rda6

Did it for the gram

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So Aggie

 

Texas A&M police say student who reported racist notes placed them there himself

COLLEGE STATION, Texas (KBTX) - In a report released to KBTX on Thursday, police at Texas A&M University said a student who reported finding racist notes on his car’s windshield last month may have placed the papers there himself. However, the 21-year-old at the center of the case strongly denies those claims.

 

https://www.kbtx.com/2020/07/10/texas-am-police-say-student-who-reported-racist-notes-placed-them-there-himself/

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31 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

So Aggie

 

Texas A&M police say student who reported racist notes placed them there himself

COLLEGE STATION, Texas (KBTX) - In a report released to KBTX on Thursday, police at Texas A&M University said a student who reported finding racist notes on his car’s windshield last month may have placed the papers there himself. However, the 21-year-old at the center of the case strongly denies those claims.

 

https://www.kbtx.com/2020/07/10/texas-am-police-say-student-who-reported-racist-notes-placed-them-there-himself/

Shocking.  Not really.

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Fucking Aggies.  Don't they know the old parking ticket trick from the big city?  You yourself place an old racist note face down on your windshield, that way when somebody else comes along with a racist note for you...they think you already got one and they just move along to the next minority-owned vehicle.  

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On 7/8/2020 at 7:21 AM, Cheeseweasel said:

Oregon politician wrote racist letter to himself, police say

UMATILLA COUNTY, Ore. -- A man who claimed he received a hate-filled, racist letter from an anonymous person allegedly wrote the letter himself, Hermiston Police say.

Chief Jason Edmiston tells KEPR-TV News that the criminal investigation for second-degree intimidation due to the racist, hate-filled letter received by Jonathan Lopez on June 23 has been closed. The matter will be referred this week to the Umatilla County District Attorney’s Office for initiating a false report - a Class A misdemeanor in Oregon.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-politician-wrote-racist-letter-to-himself-police-say/ar-BB16rda6

Why isn't this asshole charged with second degree intimidation? He wrote the letter.

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On 7/10/2020 at 7:32 AM, Cheeseweasel said:

So Aggie

 

Texas A&M police say student who reported racist notes placed them there himself

COLLEGE STATION, Texas (KBTX) - In a report released to KBTX on Thursday, police at Texas A&M University said a student who reported finding racist notes on his car’s windshield last month may have placed the papers there himself. However, the 21-year-old at the center of the case strongly denies those claims.

 

https://www.kbtx.com/2020/07/10/texas-am-police-say-student-who-reported-racist-notes-placed-them-there-himself/

Don't think Juicy had this in mind when he was committing a hate crime against himself.  Aggy gone global.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511691/Black-student-Texas-M-racist-notes-car-cops-say.html

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On 7/10/2020 at 7:32 AM, Cheeseweasel said:

So Aggie

 

Texas A&M police say student who reported racist notes placed them there himself

COLLEGE STATION, Texas (KBTX) - In a report released to KBTX on Thursday, police at Texas A&M University said a student who reported finding racist notes on his car’s windshield last month may have placed the papers there himself. However, the 21-year-old at the center of the case strongly denies those claims.

 

https://www.kbtx.com/2020/07/10/texas-am-police-say-student-who-reported-racist-notes-placed-them-there-himself/

I have a different take: The kid desperately wanted an excuse to leave A&M, because deep down he is NOT Aggy, and he knows it, but he couldn't face the cognitive dissonance.

So his personality split. The honest part wrote the "You don't belong here" note, and then he threw in the rest so people would agree, yeah, get out of there.

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On 6/26/2020 at 7:53 AM, Lechuza said:

SIAP. Just saw this story on GMA. Needless to say, I'm skeptical.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/06/9884357/althea-bernstein-wisconsin-black-woman-lighter-fluid-hate-crime

More like Burnstein, amirite?

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime-and-courts/madison-police-federal-law-enforcement-find-no-evidence-biracial-woman-was-attacked/article_391b86cf-5253-5cde-bf22-7320c61255e8.html

Madison police, federal law enforcement find no evidence biracial woman was attacked

...But on Friday, the police department said it was closing the case because “after an exhaustive probe, detectives were unable to corroborate or locate evidence consistent with what was reported.”

The case was also investigated by the FBI and the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice, and in its own statement Friday, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Wisconsin said “after reviewing all available evidence, authorities could not establish that the attack, as alleged by the complainant, had occurred...”

 

...Bernstein was interviewed on “Good Morning America” two days after she reported the incident, and Meghan Markle and Prince Harry of the British royal family reached out to her as well. Madison and Dane County officials had also condemned the alleged attack, with Mayor Satya Rhodes-Conway calling it “a horrifying and absolutely unacceptable crime that ... may have been a premeditated crime targeted toward people of color.”

Madison Area Crime Stoppers and the California-based Mizel Family Foundation and Center for Combating Antisemitism had offered a combined $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the perpetrators.

But there have been questions about the veracity of the woman’s report because, unlike in other crimes that occur Downtown, police never released surveillance camera images of the incident or possible suspects in an attempt to find the perpetrators. Very little of the public parts of Downtown are hidden from the views provided by dozens of city-owned cameras and other private surveillance cameras to which police have access...

 

...Bernstein told police she was driving her brother’s 2007 Hyundai Elantra through Downtown following a date when she stopped at a stoplight, possibly on West Gorham Street at State Street, at around 1 a.m. June 24 and was approached by four white men, one of whom yelled a racial epithet.

One of the men squirted her with lighter fluid through her open driver’s side window and then threw a lit lighter or match at her, she said, setting her face and neck on fire before she patted out the flames. Her family later released photos of her showing burns to her face.

She described the men as looking like “frat boys” — two of whom were wearing “floral shirts” and blue jeans and two of whom were in all black and wearing masks. The man who allegedly sprayed her was wearing a “salmon-colored” floral shirt, she told police.

No camera evidence

An exhaustive search of video from city- and privately owned surveillance cameras, however, turned up no evidence of the attack, and the investigation identified a number of inconsistencies in Bernstein’s story.

A surveillance camera at West Gorham and State, for example, captured images of the Elantra at 12:44 a.m. but nothing to substantiate the alleged attack.

Surveillance cameras did not capture Bernstein’s vehicle at two intersections: University Avenue at North Bassett Street, and University Avenue at North Lake Street. The cameras at the first intersection skipped recording when Bernstein drove through and were positioned away from the street at the second intersection.

But a detective said Bernstein likely had not been stopped at red lights at these two intersections because “the vehicle was almost continuously captured on video as it traveled through the Downtown entertainment zone, without stopping.”

A review of 17 city cameras in the Downtown area from 12:15 a.m. to 1:15 a.m. found no groups of white males matching Bernstein’s descriptions.

Police also did not find any fire damage in the Elantra, according to police reports, and a dog trained to sniff out accelerants did not find evidence of them in the car.image.png.13ca604eeed94bdef59b843a7220eb96.png

Other factors

A forensic analysis of the shirt she was wearing at the time of the attack did turn up evidence of a “medium petroleum distillate,” such as charcoal lighter fluid, according to the police investigation. But no such evidence was found on the shorts she was wearing at the time, nor on swabs taken of the vehicle.

The police investigation also found evidence that Bernstein had her window rolled up at the time of the alleged attack and hadn’t stopped at stoplights where it might have occurred. It also determined she had been driving in a different lane than she told police and was uncertain about where exactly the incident occurred.

In addition to 157 pages of reports in the case, police released a timeline of the events of the night in the form of a nearly three-minute-long video and 23-page report.

Investigators told the Bernstein family’s attorney that “the attack, as Bernstein had described it, had not occurred,” according to police reports, but also told her that there was “no evidence that Bernstein had colluded with anyone to make a false report or that there was any mal-intent or pre-planning that occurred in regards to Bernstein’s statement to police....”(snip again)

 

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