Texas teacher pay raise.

[gsoda3 3,362]

13 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

In order to offset the disadvantage of too-large classrooms, 100% of classrooms would have to have "good teachers". It is magical thinking.

And what even makes a "good teacher"? Someone who excels at getting high test scores while being underfunded, undersupported, and overworked? How would higher pay, better resources, smaller classes, and more down time/collaborative time impact the quality of teachers?

Look at the elite private schools and the standards they demand. Why do they want 15 kids in a classroom? Why do they reject standardized testing? Is it because those wealthy, highly-educated parents are too dumb to realize that huge classes are actually great?

probably the best answers i've heard to those questions come from john hattie.  he's spent several decades researching, analyzing, and implementing strategies in education.  if you're interested in the answers to your questions and the thinking behind this line of thought, start here.  

[Winona's Big Orange Bevo 198]

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

QFT.

Single track educational philosophy sucks, particularly compounded by our delicate snowflake culture.  We end up with  alot of the lowest common denominator. 

  

Anecdotally, I certainly had 50 minute classes that felt like 10 min.  Never enough time......so much interesting material.   Then I had classes that 50 min of time was a soul crushing ad-nauseum snooze fest that had so much wasted time.

The world needs ditch diggers too. 

[HRSchenker 2,341]

15 hours ago, Larry T. Spider said:

https://www.mansfieldisd.org/uploaded/main/departments/HR/assets/SalarySchedule_Teachers1819.pdf

You have to teach 23 years in Austin isd before getting to a starting teacher salary in Mansfield. This is why I’m saying that fixing the school finance system is more important than the raise. The 5k raise should happen but not as a coverup for the major issues out there that need to be addressed. AISD is paying around 600 million into recapture this year. That is projected to grow to 700 million in the near future. Those teachers with that 5k raise might need electricity and running water to do their jobs...

Wow those teachers are making bank! I think DISD is the same way. My sister in law is a teacher in the Edmond, OK school district and you have to have 27 years under your belt before you get paid the same as a brand new teacher here in the area.

[High Plains Drifter 11,192]

 

15 hours ago, Larry T. Spider said:

For an elementary campus, we have to pay for the following beyond the home room teacher:

Buildings, electricity, water, books, other educational materials, busses, maintenance employees, campus administrators, district administration, custodians, teachers assistants, music teacher, art teacher, pe teacher, special education employees, counselor, diagnostician, etc.

 

14 hours ago, Nolacycling said:

Insurance and lawyers. 

 

14 hours ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Front office staff, speech teacher, intervention teacher, reading specialists, instructional coach, we could go on and on. 

Librarians, library books, computers, wireless tech, tech support, website support, UIL coaches and travel (do elementary travel for UIL?)

If we're talking middle school and high school- coaches salaries, equipment, travel, stadium and gym maintenance, (I read somewhere it costs 1K to suit up a HS football player), more insurance, trainers, UIL coaches and travel, band, drama club, ag teacher, welding teacher, shop teacher, shop supplies and maintenance, more insurance

 

Oh yeah, cost of standardized testing, testing coordinator

 

[High Plains Drifter 11,192]

20 minutes ago, Winona's Big Orange Bevo said:

The world needs ditch diggers backhoe operators too. 

fixy

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9 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

fixy

[Incredulity 11,879]

16 minutes ago, Winona's Big Orange Bevo said:

missing 7 or 8 guys standing around the backhoe leaning on shovels, or playing grab ass.

[atomheartbevo 90,663]

42 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Wow those teachers are making bank! I think DISD is the same way. My sister in law is a teacher in the Edmond, OK school district and you have to have 27 years under your belt before you get paid the same as a brand new teacher here in the area.

Which is why so many Okie teachers journeyed south of the Red River to find better-paying jobs.  

All those OU bumper stickers we see in Texas, it’s probably Okie teachers and oilfield workers.  

Still find it amusing/scary that at one point they discussed closing a lot of rural districts in Oklahoma.  Some legislators here in Texas were probably thinking the same thing.  

Edited March 6, 2019 by atomheartbevo

[deft 7,061]

There’s no problem with school financing in Texas. Every recipient district should be able to build a water park if they want.

 

 

https://abc13.com/education/a-texas-school-district-opened-a-water-park-and-you-paid-for-it/4162905/

[Larry T. Spider 1,747]

Time to fix the system. For the record, the 200 mil referenced below for Houston isd is a drop in the bucket compared to AISD. They are much larger and pay 1/3 what we do. Go to work lege.

What's happened over time is La Joya has benefited to the fullest extent of the 30-year-old formula. So much so, it has so much extra money, it can easily afford perks like the water park. 

Meanwhile, in other districts, like Houston, students enjoy no such luxury as teachers are laid off and campuses closed. 

How can the same system end in two such different results? 

"We place a band-aid here and a band-aid there when our school finance system is really due for a full gut rehab," Villarreal said. 

[kevwun 16,444]

That's more like putting a band-aid on one school and stabbing another in the gut.

[High Plains Drifter 11,192]

Do other states have these issues? How do they fund public schools? Is there no where we can look to for alternatives?

[kevwun 16,444]

Oklahoma is in much worse shape, if it makes you feel any better.

[High Plains Drifter 11,192]

4 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Oklahoma is in much worse shape, if it makes you feel any better.

Depending on the issue, as a  proud Texan, I can always think "thank God for Oklahoma (or Alabama or Mississippi)"

edit: Or Florida

See:

 

Edited March 6, 2019 by High Plains Drifter

[TexEx15 17,956]

Good video by AISD student explains recapture.  I’m sure most in here know what it’s all about but good nonetheless.

 

[Incredulity 11,879]

18 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Do other states have these issues? How do they fund public schools? Is there no where we can look to for alternatives?

As I posted above everywhere I have ever lived, multiple states west of Mississippi,  the song and dance has been the same.  There have been places where my involvement (having kids active in system) was much greater, but I have never lived anywhere where there wasn't fairly significant argument over teacher compensation and school funding methodology.

 

[TexEx15 17,956]

What a joke.  House version gives a whopping $1,850 annual raise.

 

Edited April 3, 2019 by TexEx15

[Larry T. Spider 1,747]

Although the pay raise isn’t great, it would fix a decent amount of the recapture issues for AISD. This would likely allow for raises beyond what is being reported over time. Mileage will vary by district and their recapture situation, of course. Kenneth Adix, the CFO of RRISD, was on the news tonight. He was saying that this can fix a lot of their problems as well. 

This is the first time in my 12 years in education that I would walk away from a legislative session and feel like we came out better than we went in. I’ll take it.

[Chico_SA 530]

On 3/6/2019 at 2:38 PM, deft said:

There’s no problem with school financing in Texas. Every recipient district should be able to build a water park if they want.

 

 

https://abc13.com/education/a-texas-school-district-opened-a-water-park-and-you-paid-for-it/4162905/

Hah hah. What a stupid news report. I get the concern, but the cost wasnt for that little splash pad they are calling a “water park” . 

So cool that NCAA swimming was just held at the Water Park on the UT campus! 

[Revolution512 1,518]

Yeah but can we address the common core?

[Nolacycling 893]

Bumping this because I'm looking for help from others that are watching this. HB 3 was signed in June. Raise is not standard and varies by ISD. Got it. 

I'm looking at a couple different districts for upcoming school year and wonder if published(so sad) school district salaries include these monies.  I'm guessing that that school boards haven't acted yet and will get better pub if this is announced once schools are back in session. I will be asking hr before signing on.

 

 

[bad_teammate 13,562]

4 minutes ago, Nolacycling said:

Bumping this because I'm looking for help from others that are watching this. HB 3 was signed in June. Raise is not standard and varies by ISD. Got it. 

I'm looking at a couple different districts for upcoming school year and wonder if published(so sad) school district salaries include these monies.  I'm guessing that that school boards haven't acted yet and will get better pub if this is announced once schools are back in session. I will be asking hr before signing on.

Houston-area districts have already announced.

Nice, but fairly anemic overall.

[Larry T. Spider 1,747]

Austin isd raises go into effect this month. 

[Nolacycling 893]

you're an admin,right? What are Austin's numbers? Trying to discuss facts before inevitable" if you don't like it, leave it" comments. Hmmmm that sounds recently familiar.

And,just a guess but most districts will be deciding this issue Thur night at board meetings.Agree or no?

Oh and fuck Vandergrifters HS and Leander ISD.

Edited July 22, 2019 by Nolacycling