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oSuJeff97

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On 3/15/2019 at 4:15 PM, SwanderedTalent said:

I wonder how well Grohl would have fit that band if (when) some of the less Nirvana-friendly songs he later wrote got turned down. As in, he brings Everlong to rehearsal and Kurt's like "no". 

Well the interesting thing to speculate about is whether or not some of his "less-Nirvana-friendly songs" would have felt "less-Nirvana-friendly" after another few Nirvana albums.  Kurt doesn't seem like one to sit on his laurels and just record albums that sound the same. I think he would have evolved Nirvana's sound, and who knows... maybe closer to something like what Dave was doing in the late 1990s...

Also, songwriters typically write songs based on circumstance.  I don't think Dave's catalog of song would be the exact same if he were in Nirvana for a few more years rather than being on his own.

He'd already released "Marigold" as a B-side, so Kurt was obviously open to having Dave contribute songwriting in some way.... I just think it would have been fascinating to see how they may have evolved as a songwriting duo... I don't think it would ever get to like a "Lennon/McCartney" type situation, because Nirvana was always going to be Kurt's band... but I could see Dave contributing some real gems along the way, a la George Harrison... but then yeah he probably would have eventually gone solo or started his own band.

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It sounds like Em to me as well, and if you look at this video, he's using his index and middle finger -- I don't know of any easy way to finger E major that way.  When I play E major I don't even use my index finger (think of how one would barre up from there, which requires the index finger to be free).

 

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On 3/17/2019 at 8:39 AM, tbone_ said:

“Jeeeeeeeaayaysysysssssuuuuuuusssss Chriiiiiiiiiiiiist, deny your maker” offended you high school sensibilities huh? I’m pretty sure it was supposed to so you probably weren’t alone.

if you'd stuck a lump of coal up 18-year-old-me's ass, in a couple of weeks you'd have a diamond

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23 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Well the interesting thing to speculate about is whether or not some of his "less-Nirvana-friendly songs" would have felt "less-Nirvana-friendly" after another few Nirvana albums.  Kurt doesn't seem like one to sit on his laurels and just record albums that sound the same. I think he would have evolved Nirvana's sound, and who knows... maybe closer to something like what Dave was doing in the late 1990s...

I really don't think so, but who knows? Michael Azzerad said in his book that Cobain wanted to do an entire album of blues covers. Maybe he'd have been OK w/the more "Dad rock" songs Dave wrote, or maybe Dave never would have gone in that direction, but love the Foo Fighters as I do, I'll never be able to envision Nirvana doing "Learn To Fly". 

Honestly, and this is just the way I picture it, I think Cobain would have disliked most of what the Foo Fighters did from the 2nd album on.

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On 3/18/2019 at 10:02 AM, Mojo Hand said:

I can only speak for myself, but Nevermind marks the dividing point in my childhood.  Before that, I listened to my parents' 60s music and shitty current top 40 pop music and random bullshit like MC Hammer.   I was a total dork and didn't have cable/MTV and was completely out of it.  I was so clueless that it wasn't even Nirvana that exposed me to Nirvana.  My friend brought over his new Weird Al cassette in 1992 and I couldn't stop listening to his parody of teen spirit; it was pretty much the best thing I'd ever heard in my life.   I went out and got the real thing, and the whole album was literally life-changing. 

I was in middle school, so part of it was just the timing, but it was more than just great new music.   Somehow Nirvana's sound expressed exactly how I felt inside, more than I even realized how I felt inside.  It's hard to describe, but it was like a release from the cognitive dissonance of seemingly having a normal childhood with nothing to complain about, yet having all of these internalized feelings of rage and sadness and frustration with no obvious reason to explain why except to blame myself.   I imagine that it was the same for a lot of Gen X kids dealing with emotional neglect by self-centered Baby Boomer parents.  I've only realized some of this stuff recently, but Nirvana somehow had it nailed in 1991. 

I've heard a ton of great music since, and have had many different favorite bands at various times, but nothing else has or will ever hit me like the opening of Teen Spirit or the Yeahs in Lithium.

Coming from Punk, Nirvana to me was like....  "ok cool, everyone kinda can tap into that dark explosive urge"  But Nirvana had a pop gloss veneer that always irked me a little bit.  Grunge felt like a garage band (cool) with theatrical hairband influence.   Check out what Iggy Pop was doing in the 70's add angsty flannel dudes, MTV and more driven post punk 4 piece garage band.

Tell me you can't see Kurt Cobain fronting...

 

Nevermind didn't feel new to me, but was really good version of stuff I was already kinda into.    That said, their sound production and the quality of their songs (writing / arranging/recording) was transformational from a punk perspective... which made them feel "top 40 ish" even when compared to mainstream bands Like Jane's Addiction...

circa '88  Mountain Song

 

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21 hours ago, Bogeywon said:

Always loved this song. 

Yes.

My favorite on In Utero was always Scentless Apprentice... especially live where they played it fast.  Grohl is an animal on this song. Also the addition of Pat Smear at this point just takes this song to the next level live... just a fucking face melter.

 

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Yes.

My favorite on In Utero was always Scentless Apprentice... especially live where they played it fast.  Grohl is an animal on this song. Also the addition of Pat Smear at this point just takes this song to the next level live... just a fucking face melter.

 

That’s fucking awesome! He destroys the drums! This makes me want that jagstang

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17 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yes.

My favorite on In Utero was always Scentless Apprentice... especially live where they played it fast.  Grohl is an animal on this song. Also the addition of Pat Smear at this point just takes this song to the next level live... just a fucking face melter.

 

Motherfucker...that's how it's done.  Chaotic yet tight as hell at the same time 

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On 3/19/2019 at 3:53 PM, Loco said:

Coming from Punk, Nirvana to me was like....  "ok cool, everyone kinda can tap into that dark explosive urge"  But Nirvana had a pop gloss veneer that always irked me a little bit.  Grunge felt like a garage band (cool) with theatrical hairband influence.   Check out what Iggy Pop was doing in the 70's add angsty flannel dudes, MTV and more driven post punk 4 piece garage band.

Tell me you can't see Kurt Cobain fronting...

 

Nevermind didn't feel new to me, but was really good version of stuff I was already kinda into.    That said, their sound production and the quality of their songs (writing / arranging/recording) was transformational from a punk perspective... which made them feel "top 40 ish" even when compared to mainstream bands Like Jane's Addiction...

circa '88  Mountain Song

 

Give Butch Vig a bit of credit for that sound on Nevermind.

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13 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

further to idea that it's hard to believe he's been dead 25 years, at the point Cobain killed himself, it hadn't even been 25 years since Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin stepped on the moon

Well, thanks a lot.  (A former coworker who is somewhat older than me grew up next door to Neil Armstrong, and watched the first lunar walk with Neil's family in their living room.  Dang.)

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There was an old dumpy retail building near Tower Records where I used to go get my hair cut by Andy McGuire -- she was the first bassist for Spoon -- and I happened to have an appointment that day.  I broke the news to her.  That haircut sucked.  (Not the actual haircut, she did what she could with my meager offerings, but she was as devastated as I was.)

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further to idea that it's hard to believe he's been dead 25 years, at the point Cobain killed himself, it hadn't even been 25 years since Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin stepped on the moon

 

Cobain's death is closer to Jim Morrison's death than it is to today.  

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So young too

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LOL those Hanson Nirvana shirts crack me up.

On a related note, I'm sure you guys haven't kept up with Hansons.  They are actually really good dudes. They live in Tulsa and still play shows.  They are really into craft brews and started a small music/craft beer festival in downtown Tulsa a few years ago called Hop Jam, which is really fun: https://www.thehopjam.com/home

And they are about to open their own brewery in downtown Tulsa down the street from Cain's Ballroom.

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The guy suing has a big Nevermind tattoo on his chest. 

This is from 5 years ago.

https://time.com/4499648/nirvana-nevermind-25-baby-spencer-elden/

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The Baby From Nirvana's Nevermind Is 25 Now

Last year, Weddle told TIME, “It was a great concept—a baby underwater, unable to breathe, going after money on a fishhook. After Nevermind was a big hit, they came back to me to shoot the band underwater.”

After the album’s surprisingly successful release, the image would go down in music history as one of the most recognizable album covers of all time, along with Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon and the Beatles’ Abbey Road.

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“Looking back, it feels kind of stupid doing interviews about it, because I had nothing to do with it, but a lot to do with it all at the same time,” says Elden, now 25. “It’s a really weird feeling being a part of someone else’s momentum—being caught up in this wake of stuff.”

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Even though Elden has recreated the photo shoot a number of times and has a large tattoo that says “Nevermind” on his chest, he says he hasn’t fully come to terms with being on the album’s cover. “I got a little upset for a bit,” he says. “I was trying to reach out to these people. I never met anybody. I didn’t get a call or email. I just woke up already being a part of this huge project. It’s pretty difficult—you feel like you’re famous for nothing, but you didn’t really do anything but their album.”

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Frustrated about never receiving any sort of compensation for Nevermind, Elden recently looked into pursuing legal action against Geffen Records, but was unsuccessful. “It’s hard not to get upset when you hear how much money was involved,” he says. (Nevermind has sold over 30 million copies worldwide.) “[When] I go to a baseball game and think about it: ‘Man, everybody at this baseball game has probably seen my little baby penis,’ I feel like I got part of my human rights revoked,” says Elden.

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Though he’s occasionally bitter about the role he played in Nevermind, Elden admits, “I think it’s also me being carried away with it and thinking about it too much.” He likes the album artwork itself, describing the concept as “genius,” but draws the line at merchandising, including puzzles and mugs. “Nirvana’s cool, I guess—it’s just weird being a part of it.”

 

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

too funny.  zero sympathy.  guy has probably made money a decent amount of money off of being the baby on the cover of one of the biggest albums of all time and then he blew it all.

thinking about this can Sam get some NIL back pay for his kid "hook 'em" pic?

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It’s one thing to claim that you’re being exploited without compensation. I assume his parents gave permission but revenue is still being generated. But accusing the band of child pornography is a shot across the bow. A settlement may not be easy if you piss off wealthy people.

personally when opening up the CD case back in the day, I always questioned why there was a naked baby on the cover.

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