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Fuck, I forgot about ATHF.  It jumped the shark a few seasons in, but holy fuck was it funny for awhile.

"I love this song!  When they were playing this at Meadowlands in '87, I copped a feel off a chick who was passed out in her own vomit.  So every time I hear 'Urgent' I think of that passed out girl's boobs.  And vomit."

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No love for Bojack Horseman? It knocked KOTH out of the top animated spot for me after binging the first few seasons.  

The first four shows I've yet to watch a disappointing season:

1. Bojack Horseman

2. King of the Hill

3. Big Mouth

4. Bob's Burgers

The rest went on too long or lost their way, and I eventually quit watching:

5. The Simpsons

6. Family Guy

7. Archer

8. South Park

9. American Dad

I've never really given Rick and Morty enough of a chance to rate it.  I'll give it a shot at some point.  The Cleveland Show was just awful.

 

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Simpsons was my favorite until South Park came out. South Park's social satire probably tops every other animated series ever with the Simpsons being in a distant second. Family Guy is the equivalent of a fart joke, it is just bad.

Bob's Burger just snuck up on me because I started off watching it with my kids and then ended up watching it on my own. Louise is awesome and the back and forth between Bob's deadpan reaction to his kid's saying crazy shit kills me. Currently this is my top animated show but it will never achieve the heights of The Simpsons or South Park.

Not quite the same but Regular Show and Adventure Time were awesome but they weren't adult cartoons.

 

 

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On 3/11/2019 at 5:44 PM, Rougarou said:

I honestly feel like Futurama is the greatest of them all (with honorable mention to King  of the Hill).

Futurama is beautiful and at times can have a literary/short story quality (seriously, who didn’t cry at the dog episode!!!? That episode was the definition of a perfect short story), and even operatic overture beauty, but mostly shows more Shakespearean comedy and especially tragedy than any other show in the animation format (when fry had lela love him but she didn’t remember, his uncle being Fry, when he woke her from her poison dream slumber before she vanished forever, etc.). This to me means it has more depth to mine and makes it more interesting and stands the test of time for me.

I caught the “Slurm” episode with the Slug MacKenzie party worm like two weeks ago and it was excellent. Bender might be the best anti-hero ever put to animation. The list goes on.

 

Is the Space Pope reptilian?

 

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15 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

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2

WHARF AVENUE

Futurama, golden era Simpsons (1-8 with a few episodes from 9), Archer until ISIS ended

I hear great things about the Venture Bros but haven't had a chance to watch yet

Yea Yea I know that place. Right next to the gentlemens club

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On 3/13/2019 at 6:34 PM, BurntEyes said:

Yeah good thoughts in here and I couldn't argue with anyone's ranking aside from the fact that Bojack Horseman only made one person's list.

It's the best out there for cartoons, ever. And it's not really close. It's a flat out moving, funny and sometimes obscure look at humanity.

well for the first page of this thread, we really were just discussing the four shows in the op.  there are plenty of bojack fans on this board.

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5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Well I'm not really sure why the conversation should be limited to just those 4 other than historical purpose and OP subject. However, Beavis and Butt head predated most and Futurama occurred before couple. So the 4 select seem pretty limited and biased. Your post further seeks to enforce those limitations and biases.

I'll just see my way out.

 

 

all my posts are intended to enforce limitations and biases.

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5 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

I hear great things about the Venture Bros but haven't had a chance to watch yet

The Venture Brothers is great. Excellent satire mashup of Johnny Quest and superhero cartoons.

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Surprised to see how many people have even a passing interest in American Dad. That shit is hot garbage. And I'm not even a McFarlane critic..

Roger and Steve. Just as Brian and Stewie are the only reasons to watch "Family Guy," Roger and Steve are why I can sit through an episode of "American Dad."

Ricky Spanish, Wheels and the Legman--they're brilliantly stupid, imo. Hence this avatar and handle.

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23 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Well I'm not really sure why the conversation should be limited to just those 4 other than historical purpose and OP subject. However, Beavis and Butt head predated most and Futurama occurred before couple. So the 4 select seem pretty limited and biased. Your post further seeks to enforce those limitations and biases.

I'll just see my way out.

 

 

Wasn't meant to be a limitation really. Grew up watching B&B and the Simpsons and love many of the others listed here. Mostly just a quick top of the head list based on the fact my kids have BBs on alot and it wasn't one I ever watched before. I fucking love it and it seems very underrated when determining the "king of the hill" when it comes to animated series.

Excited to watch some Dr. Katz SquiggleVision on YouTube - didn't realize the entire series was available. Probably why I love Bob so much. Deadpan/sarcastic humor is my dig.

Will definitely check out some of the others above I haven't watched.

 

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On 3/11/2019 at 4:44 PM, Rougarou said:

I honestly feel like Futurama is the greatest of them all (with honorable mention to King  of the Hill).

Futurama is beautiful and at times can have a literary/short story quality (seriously, who didn’t cry at the dog episode!!!? That episode was the definition of a perfect short story), and even operatic overture beauty, but mostly shows more Shakespearean comedy and especially tragedy than any other show in the animation format (when fry had lela love him but she didn’t remember, his uncle being Fry, when he woke her from her poison dream slumber before she vanished forever, etc.). This to me means it has more depth to mine and makes it more interesting and stands the test of time for me.

I caught the “Slurm” episode with the Slug MacKenzie party worm like two weeks ago and it was excellent. Bender might be the best anti-hero ever put to animation. The list goes on.

 

Futurama can go flat sometimes but its the only one of those shows that can make me cry. The end of "Game of Tones" where he talks to his mother had me bawling.

Another thing that sets it apart is the animation. The time machine part of "The Late Phillip J Fry" is absolutely stunning

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On 3/16/2019 at 5:10 PM, GreenspointTexas said:

I love all of the bullshit comparisons on here to what many would consider not just the greatest animated show of all time, but in the argument for best show, ever

 

yall are hilarious

Are you talking Simpsons or South Park?

If it's the latter, I get it.  If it's the former, you can't ignore the 20+ years of complete trash they continue to put out.

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2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Are you talking Simpsons or South Park?

If it's the latter, I get it.  If it's the former, you can't ignore the 20+ years of complete trash they continue to put out.

Has there been a good Simpsons episode since season 14? 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Has there been a good Simpsons episode since season 14? 

People say it got "funnier" but I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it got "funny again". In other words, they set the bar so low from about Season 10 on that telling me "oh it's funnier now than it was in 2002" doesn't attract me

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'd probably go even earlier for the cut off.

I mean, I was trying to figure out what season started my "I barely like any of these!"

Season 14 has:

Homer living with the gays
SLH being the new Duff mascot
Everybody in the U.S.A. hates their freaking neighbor
Homer sues and wins the deed to the church
Baby Stink Breath

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4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I mean, I was trying to figure out what season started my "I barely like any of these!"

Season 14 has:

Homer living with the gays
SLH being the new Duff mascot
Everybody in the U.S.A. hates their freaking neighbor
Homer sues and wins the deed to the church
Baby Stink Breath

I actually think I had tapped out by then.

EDIT:  After looking through season episode rosters, 13 was probably the last one I still watched regularly and enjoyed.

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

I mean, I was trying to figure out what season started my "I barely like any of these!"

Season 14 has:

Homer living with the gays
SLH being the new Duff mascot
Everybody in the U.S.A. hates their freaking neighbor
Homer sues and wins the deed to the church
Baby Stink Breath

It was basically perfect through Season 8. Season 9, you had Armen Tamzarian and Moe's girlfriend/insurance fraud. Season 10 had Lard of the Dance, the Super Bowl episode, Lisa's room as a cell tower, Homer becoming a truck driver, Mr Burns and the Loch Ness monster, the Simpsons go to Japan. Season 11 was about 80% trash. 

By Season 12, even the Treehouse of Horror episode was fucking trash.

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looking back at the actual seasons on imdb, i think season 12 was the last one with multiple good, funny episodes.  season 10 was probably the end of the really consistent awesomeness.  i think i watched some of 13/14 but fell off pretty quickly.  too many guest stars and licensed music (why did they start doing that?)

however, put in context, 12 seasons of the simpsons is over 250 episodes of television.  even the best all-time sitcoms typically limp to 100, and anything on cable struggles to get to 50 with any kind of quality.

some broadcast shows (the good place) are even moving towards shorter seasons, which hopefully will help.

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On 3/29/2019 at 3:20 PM, Hank Scorpio said:

Season 8 is the last truly great season. 9 and 10 are good, and I do not acknowledge the existence of seasons 11-now. 

WOAH WOAH WOAH

I'll listen to some bad opinions, but Season 11 did feature tomacco/glove slap, fake leprosy (UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!), Bart's healing powers, PBS telethon/Homer missionary and Lisa tapdancing (Lisa's bad dancing makes my feet sad!) 

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Agreed,.  In my mind, the show ended after season 10.  And those 10 seasons were magical.

 

Any episode run by Al Jean and Mike Reiss are going to be good, and of course Swartzwelder was born to write for the show...love how he bought the booth he wrote at from the diner when they went non smoking.

 

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And for SP, the WoW and Family Guy episodes are so on the nose it’s insane. A friend of mine is married to Kyle, as in the guy the character was named after...occasionally they get invited to parties with Matt and Trey...dude is not Jewish, never seen him wear a green hat, lives in Austin and is decidedly chill.

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Also, look at Season 5. Look at this. It's fucking incredible.

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82 1 "Homer's Barbershop Quartet" Mark Kirkland Jeff Martin September 30, 1993 9F21 19.9[25]
In a flashback, Homer recounts his time with a barbershop quartet called The Be Sharps that also featured Principal Skinner, Apu and Chief Wiggum who was later replaced with Barney. The group became music stars with their hit song "Baby on Board" and won a Grammy. Eventually, Homer started missing his family and the group began to lose its popularity, so it broke up.
Guest star: George Harrison, David Crosby and The Dapper Dans.[24]
83 2 "Cape Feare" Rich Moore Jon Vitti October 7, 1993 9F22 20.0[27]

Bart starts receiving threatening letters in the mail and it is soon revealed that they were sent to him by Sideshow Bob. Bob is released from prison, so Bart is placed in the Witness Relocation Program and the Simpson family is moved to Terror Lake. However, Bob follows the Simpsons there and sneaks onto the family's houseboat and tries to kill Bart. Cornered, Bart asks Bob to sing the entire score of H.M.S. Pinafore as a last request. Bob does so, and during his performance the boat drifts through Springfield and Bob is caught.

Guest star: Kelsey Grammer.[26]
84 3 "Homer Goes to College" Jim Reardon Conan O'Brien October 14, 1993 1F02 18.1[29]
After failing a test at the nuclear plant, Homer's lack of a college degree is revealed and he is sent back to pass a nuclear physics class. Homer, having seen too many bad National Lampoon's Animal House knock-off movies, goofs off, so he is sent to a group of boys for tutoring. The boys, who are stereotypical nerds, try to help Homer, but he instead tries to help them party and decides to pull a prank on another college. They steal Springfield A&M's mascot, but his friends are caught and expelled. Homer invites them to live with him, but his family soon become angered by their new housemates, so Homer decides to try to help them get back into college. Consequentially, he fails his final exam and is convinced by Marge to return to college for another year.[28]
85 4 "Rosebud" Wes Archer John Swartzwelder October 21, 1993 1F01 19.5[31]
After a disastrous birthday party, Mr. Burns pines for his long-lost childhood toy, a teddy bear named Bobo. The bear ends up in the hands of Maggie and when Homer discovers this, he tries to use the bear to get a large reward from Burns. When Burns agrees, Homer tries to hand the bear over, but is stopped by Maggie. Homer, seeing that Maggie has become attached to the bear, decides not to give it back to Mr. Burns, who promises that Homer will regret the decision. Mr. Burns later returns and talks to Maggie and she eventually gives it back to him.
Guest star: The Ramones.[30]
86 5 "Treehouse of Horror IV" David Silverman Conan O'Brien, Bill Oakley, Josh Weinstein, Greg Daniels, Dan McGrath and Bill Canterbury October 28, 1993 1F04 24.0[33]
In a parody of Night Gallery, Bart tells three scary stories based on paintings:
The Devil and Homer Simpson – Homer sells his soul to the Devil (Ned Flanders) for a doughnut.
Terror at 5½ Feet – While riding the bus to school, Bart discovers that there is a Gremlin on the side of the bus.
Bart Simpson's Dracula – The Simpsons are invited to a dinner with Mr. Burns, where Bart and Lisa discover that Mr. Burns is a vampire.
Guest star: Frank Welker and Phil Hartman.[32]
87 6 "Marge on the Lam" Mark Kirkland Bill Canterbury November 4, 1993 1F03 21.7[35]
Marge and neighbor Ruth Powers have a girls' night. Meanwhile, Homer tries to have fun without Marge and Lionel Hutz is hired as Bart, Lisa, and Maggie's babysitter. Homer hitches a ride home with Chief Wiggum, who is following behind Marge and Ruth and decides to pull them over. However, Ruth speeds her car up and reveals to Marge that she stole it from her ex-husband. Marge decides to stay with Ruth, but eventually the police catch up with them and the charges are dismissed.
Guest star: George Fenneman, Pamela Reed and Phil Hartman.[34]
88 7 "Bart's Inner Child" Bob Anderson George Meyer November 11, 1993 1F05 18.7[37]
Marge realizes that she is no fun because of her constant nagging and seeks help from self-help guru Brad Goodman, who then uses Bart's irreverent attitude as a new example of how people should behave. The entire town of Springfield begins to act like Bart, who at first enjoys things but begins to feel that his role as a troublemaker is usurped. During the inaugural "Do what you feel" festival, several things go wrong and the town decides to stop acting like Bart.
Guest star: James Brown, Albert Brooks and Phil Hartman.[36]
89 8 "Boy-Scoutz 'n the Hood" Jeffrey Lynch Dan McGrath November 18, 1993 1F06 20.1[39]
Bart and Milhouse find $20.00 on the street and buy a Squishee made entirely of syrup. After a night of bingeing and carousing, Bart wakes up to discover that he has joined a Boy Scouts-esque troupe called "The Junior Campers". Bart initially hates the group, then enjoys it, until Homer agrees to participate in their river-rafting trip. In a boat with Ned and Rod Flanders, Homer loses their map and the boat gets lost in the ocean. After being stuck out at sea for several days, they discover an oil rig with a Krusty Burger and are saved. At the end of the episode the rest of the campers including Ernest are attacked by an unknown monster at an abandoned campsite.
Guest star: Ernest Borgnine.[38]
90 9 "The Last Temptation of Homer" Carlos Baeza Frank Mula December 9, 1993 1F07 20.6[41]
Mr. Burns hires a female worker named Mindy Simmons in accordance with government policy and Homer is worried that his crush on her will ruin his marriage with Marge. Both Mindy and Homer have feelings for each other, but in the end Homer decides not to cheat on Marge. Meanwhile, Bart becomes a nerd after doctors find several things physically wrong with him and apply treatments that make him look like a nerd.
Guest star: Michelle Pfeiffer, Werner Klemperer and Phil Hartman.[40]
91 10 "$pringfield (or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Legalized Gambling)" Wes Archer Bill Oakley & Josh Weinstein December 16, 1993 1F08 17.9[43]
After the local economy stalls, everyone in town votes for gambling to be legalized, prompting Mr. Burns to open a casino. Homer becomes a blackjack dealer, and Marge becomes so addicted to gambling that she forgets about her family life. Meanwhile, Bart opens up his own casino after being kicked out of Mr. Burns's and Lisa struggles to have her costume done for a school pageant. Homer agrees to help her, but does a terrible job, so he decides to go to the casino to get Marge back.
Guest star: Robert Goulet and Gerry Cooney.[42]
92 11 "Homer the Vigilante" Jim Reardon John Swartzwelder January 6, 1994 1F09 20.1[45]
A crime wave hits Springfield, caused by the elusive cat burglar and Lisa's saxophone is stolen, so Homer agrees to try to get it back. The police are ineffective, so Flanders creates a neighborhood watch group, which Homer takes charge of. However, Homer's incompetence causes the vigilante group to commit more crimes than it prevents, and they are unsuccessful in catching the cat burglar. With the help of Grampa, Homer discovers that the burglar is a charming senior named Malloy. Malloy is arrested, but he tricks the citizens of Springfield into thinking he has hidden millions of dollars and escapes during the ensuing rush to find the money.
Guest star: Sam Neill.[44]
93 12 "Bart Gets Famous" Susie Dietter John Swartzwelder February 3, 1994 1F11 20.0[47]
After sneaking away from a school trip to a box factory, Bart sneaks onto the set of the Krusty the Clown show. He gets a job as Krusty's production assistant and soon becomes sick of the job. One day, he is close to quitting, but Krusty runs up and says he needs to use Bart in a sketch. Bart becomes an accidental star when he says, "I didn't do it" during the botched sketch. He becomes famous but soon becomes tired of being known for one line. Marge convinces him that the main thing is to make people happy, so Bart decides to continue, but the audience soon becomes tired of Bart's act and forget about him.
Guest star: Conan O'Brien.[46]
94 13 "Homer and Apu" Mark Kirkland Greg Daniels February 10, 1994 1F10 21.8[49]
After twice getting food poisoning from expired food sold at the Kwik-E-Mart, Homer teams up with Kent Brockman to report Apu. Apu is fired from his job and comes to stay with the Simpsons, and he is replaced by actor James Woods. Homer resolves to help Apu get his old job back, and the two travel to India to talk to the owner of the Kwik-E-Mart, but are unsuccessful. Apu decides to visit his old Kwik-E-Mart and saves James Woods' life. Woods is so grateful that he helps Apu get re-hired.
Guest star: James Woods.[48]
95 14 "Lisa vs. Malibu Stacy" Jeffrey Lynch Bill Oakley & Josh Weinstein February 17, 1994 1F12 20.5[51]
Lisa protests against the phrases on her new Talking Malibu Stacy doll, which she finds demeaning to women. She tracks down the reclusive creator Stacy to make a more politically correct doll. Meanwhile, Grampa is worried that he is getting old, so he takes a job at Krusty Burger. Lisa and Stacy create "Lisa Lionheart" which gets a lot of positive buzz, but is a flop when the Malibu Stacy executives release a new doll that comes with a hat.
Guest star: Kathleen Turner.[50]
96 15 "Deep Space Homer" Carlos Baeza David Mirkin February 24, 1994 1F13 18.2[53]
NASA decides that they need to hire average joes in order to get higher television ratings. They recruit Homer and Barney to train to be the first average American in space. Homer, who wants to be respected, is the winner by default, and goes into space with Buzz Aldrin. While there, he causes a lot of havoc and eventually breaks the handle on the space shuttle's hatch. Homer inadvertently seals the door shut with an inanimate carbon rod, and the shuttle returns to Earth. The rod is hailed as a hero, but Homer gains the respect of Aldrin and his family.
Guest star: Buzz Aldrin and James Taylor.[52]
97 16 "Homer Loves Flanders" Wes Archer David Richardson March 17, 1994 1F14 18.0[55]
Homer begins to like Flanders after being invited to a football game. However, Homer's constant presence around Flanders and his family causes Ned to feel hate for Homer. One day while trying to drive away from Homer, Flanders is arrested and charged with drunk driving. Flanders begins to lose the respect of the church congregation until Homer sticks up for him. Flanders thanks Homer and the two remain friends.[54]
98 17 "Bart Gets an Elephant" Jim Reardon John Swartzwelder March 31, 1994 1F15 17.0[56]
While stuck cleaning the house, Bart wins a radio contest and chooses a gag prize, an elephant, instead of the real prize, $10,000 cash. The radio station eventually gets Bart his elephant, which is named Stampy. When taking care of Stampy gets too expensive Homer decides to sell him to an ivory dealer rather than turn him over to a non-profit Animal Refuge. Bart tries to run away with Stampy, but the elephant escapes. They track him down, and Homer agrees to give him to the Animal Refuge.[11]
99 18 "Burns' Heir" Mark Kirkland Jace Richdale April 14, 1994 1F16 14.7[58]
Mr. Burns has a near-death experience which prompts him to find an heir to inherit his wealth after he dies. Bart is rejected, but Burns soon decides to choose him after seeing that Bart is "a creature of pure malevolence". Marge convinces Bart to go spend some time with Burns, and soon becomes more disruptive than normal to his own family and decides to go live with Mr. Burns. Bart eventually starts to miss his family, but Burns manipulates him into staying. Burns tries to have Bart prove his loyalty by firing Homer, but Bart instead decides to go back to living with his family.
Guest star: Phil Hartman.[57]
100 19 "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song" Bob Anderson Bill Oakley & Josh Weinstein April 28, 1994 1F18 19.7[60]
Bart accidentally gets Principal Skinner fired after he brings Santa's Little Helper to school for show and tell. Bart feels guilty for what he did, and befriends Skinner. Meanwhile, Ned Flanders is hired as principal and the school goes to pot. Bart decides that while he enjoys having Skinner as a friend, he needs him as an enemy, but discovers that he returned to the Army to be a sergeant. Bart convinces Skinner to return and they get Flanders fired so that Skinner can get his old job back.
Guest star: Frank Welker.[59]
101 20 "The Boy Who Knew Too Much" Jeffrey Lynch John Swartzwelder May 5, 1994 1F19 15.5[60]
Bart plays hooky from school and ends up at the birthday party of Freddy Quimby, the Mayor's nephew, where Freddy is accused of assaulting a waiter. Bart knows the truth, but would have to admit that he was playing hooky if he testifies. Meanwhile, Homer is chosen for jury duty in the assault case against Freddy Quimby and takes advantage of being sequestered in a hotel.
Guest star: Phil Hartman.[61]
102 21 "Lady Bouvier's Lover" Wes Archer Bill Oakley & Josh Weinstein May 12, 1994 1F21 15.1[63]
While attending Maggie's first birthday party, Grampa falls for Marge's mother Jacqueline. Grampa and Jacqueline start dating, but he is soon pushed aside in favor of Mr. Burns. Mr. Burns and Jacqueline are soon engaged to be married, much to the chagrin of Marge and Smithers. Grampa crashes the wedding and tries to get Jacqueline back, but she decides that she does not want to be married. Meanwhile, Bart steals Homer's credit card to buy a piece of Itchy and Scratchy memorabilia that turns out to be a rip-off.
Guest star: Phil Hartman.[62]
103 22 "Secrets of a Successful Marriage" Carlos Baeza Greg Daniels May 19, 1994 1F20 15.6[65]
Tired of being called "slow," Homer signs up to teach a class on keeping a successful marriage at a learning annex. He is an unsuccessful teacher and finds that the only way he can keep the class interested is to tell racy secrets about Marge and their bedroom antics. Marge soon gets fed up with Homer telling their secrets and kicks him out. Homer starts living in Bart's treehouse and becomes so lost without Marge that he begs her to take him back, and she eventually agrees.
Guest star: Phil Hartman.[64]

 

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On 3/13/2019 at 8:34 PM, BurntEyes said:

Yeah good thoughts in here and I couldn't argue with anyone's ranking aside from the fact that Bojack Horseman only made one person's list.

It's the best out there for cartoons, ever. And it's not really close. It's a flat out moving, funny and sometimes obscure look at humanity.

It's a good show but I wouldn't put it in the same category as these because it's so depressing so often. It's more drama than comedy. 

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