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  On 3/26/2024 at 12:10 AM, Deej said:

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That this was the first fucking reply to the "plane almost hit the tower" post gives me faith in humanity.

  On 3/29/2024 at 2:03 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

In the Soviet Union, the party put unqualified “workers” in charge of industries based on political purity and stocked government agencies on the same principle. In the United States, we put unqualified business majors in charge of industry and their regulators with similar results.

I am only half-kidding that business schools are a menace and should be shut down. An organization chases its values.  Once you shift from “make money by building good airplanes” to “make money,” things go to shit. 

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The problem goes hand-in-hand with short term gain (QUARTERLY NUMBERS!!!) as a fucking killer.

Companies like Boeing SHOULD make money.....by making good aircraft, that buyers want to buy.  That's old-fashioned namby-pamby stuff, though, scorned by all the finance bros, who have found ways to extract lots more dollars quickly while simultaneously reducing product value (see the "enshittening" thread).  Want to (to use a loaded fucking phrase, but let's use it) "make America great again?"  Then let's fix the structural fuckups we have built into our markets that incentivizes companies to pull a Boeing.

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This was capitalism ungoverned. There were no regards for anything but profit and stock price. They did massive stock buy backs instead of putting that money into engineering. They need to move everything out of Chicago and put them back in Seattle. That air gap between engineers and beancounters has to stop. New leadership better recognize the only way Boeing gets it's reputation back is a massive turn around in how they construct aircraft.

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  On 3/29/2024 at 5:20 PM, RPM said:

This was capitalism ungoverned. There were no regards for anything but profit and stock price. They did massive stock buy backs instead of putting that money into engineering. They need to move everything out of Chicago and put them back in Seattle. That air gap between engineers and beancounters has to stop. New leadership better recognize the only way Boeing gets it's reputation back is a massive turn around in how they construct aircraft.

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Naah, see, we'll bring in some management efficiency consultants and really, they'll find that the problem was that the engineers and production crews didn't have their eyes on cost reporting.   The key to making Boeing successful is to cut costs.  The failures were in the manufacturing QC part of the business, so to solve that problem and save money, we've just eliminated that division.  Problem.  SOLVED.

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The Boeing situation and this thread are fascinating to me. The comments about not putting the MBA’s in charge of engineering or of airplane businesses are not that crazy. I have first hand experience.

I have an engineering degree and worked as an engineer in the aerospace industry for several years. But then i got an MBA and ran companies for several years. So I’ve lived on both sides of the fence. 

The issue is that the pure engineer who thinks solely like an engineer makes a terrible business leader. They think too linearly in black or white.

But similarly a pure business leader with no product development expertise is often an absolute idiot, making dumb decisions about product quality, safety, timelines, costs, etc.  

You have to be able to meld those two mindsets together to make optimal decisions. But often leaders with experience in both areas still screw up because they can’t effectively optimize their thinking. It took me a long time to really get better at ensuring businesses optimally mixed safety, quality, profitability, etc. But even then, if you report to people that don’t understand it, they will force you down the path of bad decisions.  A bad Board of Directors can be just as responsible for the failures.

In my opinion there have been enough serious problems at Boeing that they need to redo the Board as well.

 

 

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  On 3/29/2024 at 5:49 PM, Dbeasy said:

The Boeing situation and this thread are fascinating to me. The comments about not putting the MBA’s in charge of engineering or of airplane businesses are not that crazy. I have first hand experience.

I have an engineering degree and worked as an engineer in the aerospace industry for several years. But then i got an MBA and ran companies for several years. So I’ve lived on both sides of the fence. 

The issue is that the pure engineer who thinks solely like an engineer makes a terrible business leader. They think too linearly in black or white.

But similarly a pure business leader with no product development expertise is often an absolute idiot, making dumb decisions about product quality, safety, timelines, costs, etc.  

You have to be able to meld those two mindsets together to make optimal decisions. But often leaders with experience in both areas still screw up because they can’t effectively optimize their thinking. It took me a long time to really get better at ensuring businesses optimally mixed safety, quality, profitability, etc. But even then, if you report to people that don’t understand it, they will force you down the path of bad decisions.  A bad Board of Directors can be just as responsible for the failures.

In my opinion there have been enough serious problems at Boeing that they need to redo the Board as well.

 

 

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  On 3/29/2024 at 8:36 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

I think melding is optimal, but you need to have some bias built in to favor a failure one way or another. 
 

If you’re selling underwear or smart TVs or refrigerators— sure, I am fine with the MBA guys winning. If you cheap out too much and build crap, then the market can punish you. 
 

If you’re building airliners, or chemical factories, or nuclear reactors then I’m sorry.  The engineers need to win over the MBAs.  There has to be some balance and optimizing but if it comes to a fundamental disagreement, the engineers need to win.  It’s more important for the product to succeed than the company. 

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That was the scariest part about working in oil and gas.  You would get a phone call from the "business unit" and you're thinking to yourself.  What the fuck?  These guys can't be serious.  Then you find out they are.  You ask the engineers and they say yeah we've tried.  The business unit knows how to operate a refinery better than we do.   And then the plant trips and the business unit calls and says hey how fast can we get this bitch back up again 

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  On 3/29/2024 at 5:49 PM, Dbeasy said:

The Boeing situation and this thread are fascinating to me. The comments about not putting the MBA’s in charge of engineering or of airplane businesses are not that crazy. I have first hand experience.

I have an engineering degree and worked as an engineer in the aerospace industry for several years. But then i got an MBA and ran companies for several years. So I’ve lived on both sides of the fence. 

The issue is that the pure engineer who thinks solely like an engineer makes a terrible business leader. They think too linearly in black or white.

But similarly a pure business leader with no product development expertise is often an absolute idiot, making dumb decisions about product quality, safety, timelines, costs, etc.  

You have to be able to meld those two mindsets together to make optimal decisions. But often leaders with experience in both areas still screw up because they can’t effectively optimize their thinking. It took me a long time to really get better at ensuring businesses optimally mixed safety, quality, profitability, etc. But even then, if you report to people that don’t understand it, they will force you down the path of bad decisions.  A bad Board of Directors can be just as responsible for the failures.

In my opinion there have been enough serious problems at Boeing that they need to redo the Board as well.

 

 

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Goes back to a former CEO from 2005-2015

https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/
 

“Prince Jim”—as some long-timers used to call him—repeatedly invoked a slur for longtime engineers and skilled machinists in the obligatory vanity “leadership” bookhe co-wrote. Those who cared too much about the integrity of the planes and not enough about the stock price were “phenomenally talented assholes,” and he encouraged his deputies to ostracize them into leaving the company. 
 

 

 

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  On 4/2/2024 at 1:47 PM, Boss Hogg said:

Goes back to a former CEO from 2005-2015

https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/
 

“Prince Jim”—as some long-timers used to call him—repeatedly invoked a slur for longtime engineers and skilled machinists in the obligatory vanity “leadership” bookhe co-wrote. Those who cared too much about the integrity of the planes and not enough about the stock price were “phenomenally talented assholes,” and he encouraged his deputies to ostracize them into leaving the company. 
 

 

 

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Phenomenally talented assholes are probably the exact people you want designing airplanes.

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  On 3/29/2024 at 3:18 PM, Brisketexan said:

That this was the first fucking reply to the "plane almost hit the tower" post gives me faith in humanity.

The problem goes hand-in-hand with short term gain (QUARTERLY NUMBERS!!!) as a fucking killer.

Companies like Boeing SHOULD make money.....by making good aircraft, that buyers want to buy.  That's old-fashioned namby-pamby stuff, though, scorned by all the finance bros, who have found ways to extract lots more dollars quickly while simultaneously reducing product value (see the "enshittening" thread).  Want to (to use a loaded fucking phrase, but let's use it) "make America great again?"  Then let's fix the structural fuckups we have built into our markets that incentivizes companies to pull a Boeing.

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  On 3/29/2024 at 5:20 PM, RPM said:

This was capitalism ungoverned. There were no regards for anything but profit and stock price. They did massive stock buy backs instead of putting that money into engineering. They need to move everything out of Chicago and put them back in Seattle. That air gap between engineers and beancounters has to stop. New leadership better recognize the only way Boeing gets it's reputation back is a massive turn around in how they construct aircraft.

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  On 3/29/2024 at 5:49 PM, Dbeasy said:

The Boeing situation and this thread are fascinating to me. The comments about not putting the MBA’s in charge of engineering or of airplane businesses are not that crazy. I have first hand experience.

I have an engineering degree and worked as an engineer in the aerospace industry for several years. But then i got an MBA and ran companies for several years. So I’ve lived on both sides of the fence. 

The issue is that the pure engineer who thinks solely like an engineer makes a terrible business leader. They think too linearly in black or white.

But similarly a pure business leader with no product development expertise is often an absolute idiot, making dumb decisions about product quality, safety, timelines, costs, etc.  

You have to be able to meld those two mindsets together to make optimal decisions. But often leaders with experience in both areas still screw up because they can’t effectively optimize their thinking. It took me a long time to really get better at ensuring businesses optimally mixed safety, quality, profitability, etc. But even then, if you report to people that don’t understand it, they will force you down the path of bad decisions.  A bad Board of Directors can be just as responsible for the failures.

In my opinion there have been enough serious problems at Boeing that they need to redo the Board as well.

 

 

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  On 3/29/2024 at 8:36 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

I think melding is optimal, but you need to have some bias built in to favor a failure one way or another. 
 

If you’re selling underwear or smart TVs or refrigerators— sure, I am fine with the MBA guys winning. If you cheap out too much and build crap, then the market can punish you. 
 

If you’re building airliners, or chemical factories, or nuclear reactors then I’m sorry.  The engineers need to win over the MBAs.  There has to be some balance and optimizing but if it comes to a fundamental disagreement, the engineers need to win.  It’s more important for the product to succeed than the company. 

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The entire Boeing saga over recent years is just a metaphor for contemporary American society/economics at large, nothing being more illustrative of that than the fact that the bolded is a controversial statement. The race to the bottom continues.

 

 

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  On 3/29/2024 at 8:36 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s more important for the product to succeed than the company. 

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The core friction is that uttering this statement would get you kicked off a board or fired from your executive role, particularly so if your company has public shareholders. 

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  On 4/2/2024 at 4:41 PM, Captainant said:

The core friction is that uttering this statement would get you kicked off a board or fired from your executive role, particularly so if your company has public shareholders. 

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What is your preferred economic system for a society? Almost every single one of your posts has an anti-Capitalist flavor. 

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  On 4/2/2024 at 5:11 PM, Daddy Fat Sax said:

What is your preferred economic system for a society? Almost every single one of your posts has an anti-Capitalist flavor. 

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Mfw wanting business entities to favor long term outcomes over short term gain is """anti-Capitalist""". Boeings problems are entirely of their own making, and are an artifact of the predominant business culture run rampant and unchecked.

You can be a capitalist and still believe in making a good product instead ripping off your customers for the fattest margins. 

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  On 4/2/2024 at 6:07 PM, Captainant said:

Mfw wanting business entities to favor long term outcomes over short term gain is """anti-Capitalist""". Boeings problems are entirely of their own making, and are an artifact of the predominant business culture run rampant and unchecked.

You can be a capitalist and still believe in making a good product instead ripping off your customers for the fattest margins. 

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It’s not just this post. It’s every single post in 6thSJ

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  On 4/2/2024 at 5:11 PM, Daddy Fat Sax said:

What is your preferred economic system for a society? Almost every single one of your posts has an anti-Capitalist flavor. 

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  On 4/2/2024 at 6:27 PM, Daddy Fat Sax said:

It’s not just this post. It’s every single post in 6thSJ

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You joined a college sports board in the middle of the NCAA tournament, baseball/softball season, and spring football. Yet you have proceeded to make zero posts in any of the sports forums, instead opting to talk about crypto and attempting to...*checks notes*... cry wolf about communism over the idea that Boeing is an example of a company for whom safety has to come before juicing profits. 

Fuck off weirdo. You'd fit in better on TexAgs.

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  On 4/2/2024 at 5:11 PM, Daddy Fat Sax said:

What is your preferred economic system for a society? Almost every single one of your posts has an anti-Capitalist flavor. 

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Your post is off topic and bereft of entertainment value or insight.

The only remarkable thing about it is that you have managed to craft something that is a more catastrophic failure than the Boeing 737 max.

 

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https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeings-long-fall-and-how-it-might-recover/

How Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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Another whistleblower shining a light on the 777 and 787 models. Wonder if this one "offs" himself before he gets to testify.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/business/boeing-787-whistleblower/index.html

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Federal authorities say they’re investigating Boeing after a whistleblower repeatedly raised concerns with two widebody jet models, and claimed the company retaliated against him.

Whistleblower Sam Salehpour, a Boeing engineer, alleges that Boeing took shortcuts when manufacturing its 777 and 787 Dreamliner jets, and that the risks could become catastrophic as the airplanes age. The New York Times was first to report the whistleblower complaint.

His formal complaint to the Federal Aviation Administration, filed in January and made public on Tuesday, is not specific to the newer 737 Max jet that has been grounded twice by the Federal Aviation Administration.

Salehpour on Tuesday said his complaint raises “two quality issues that may dramatically reduce the life of the planes.”

“I am doing this not because I want Boeing to fail, but because I want it to succeed and prevent crashes from happening,” Salehpour told reporters on a conference call Tuesday.  “The truth is Boeing can keep going the way it is.  It needs to do a little bit better, I think.”

In response to the complaint, the FAA said it investigates all whistleblower complaints.

The FAA has interviewed Salehpour as part of its investigation, his attorney Lisa Banks said. The FAA said it investigates all whistleblower complaints.

“Voluntary reporting without fear of reprisal is a critical component in aviation safety,” the FAA said.  “We strongly encourage everyone in the aviation industry to share information.”

A Senate subcommittee will also take up the concerns at a hearing next week.

Boeing did not immediately comment on the claims about the 777, but disputed Salehpour’s concerns about the 787.

“These claims about the structural integrity of the 787 are inaccurate and do not represent the comprehensive work Boeing has done to ensure the quality and long-term safety of the aircraft,” the company said in a statement.

Gaps in the Dreamliner

Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner planes, which entered service in 2011, could have 50-year lifespans – around 44,000 flights each, the company says.

But Salehpour’s complaint alleges crews assembling the plane failed to properly fill tiny gaps when joining separately manufactured parts of the fuselage. That puts more wear on the plane, shortening its lifespan and risking “catastrophic” failure, Salehpour’s attorneys alleged.

The allegations aren’t entirely new: For nearly two years starting in 2021, the FAA and Boeing halted deliveries of the new Dreamliners while it looked into the gaps. Boeing said it made changes in its manufacturing process, and deliveries ultimately resumed.

“We incorporated the join inspection and verification activity into our production system so that airplanes coming off of the production line meet these specifications,” Boeing said.

The 787 Dreamliners were not grounded, but the FAA twice investigated questions about quality control during the jet’s assembly process. The company maintained that the planes were and are safe to fly.

Salehpour’s attorneys said the FAA was surprised to discover through his complaint that the gaps were still an issue.

“I literally saw people jumping on the pieces of the airplane to get them to align,” Salehpour said. “By jumping up and down, you’re deforming parts so that the holes align temporarily … and that’s not how you build an airplane.”

Alleged retaliation led to another discovery

Salehpour said Boeing retaliated against him after he raised another concern about the 787 and a different plane model.

The whistleblower complaint said he pointed out to management the existence of drilling issues with the 787, and was then “ignored and ultimately transferred out of the 787 program to the 777 program.”

In his new role, Salehpour said he discovered subpar work with aligning body pieces, and pressure on engineers to green-light work they have not yet inspected.

In all, Salehpour said the issues involve more than 400 777s and 1,000 787s.

Boeing shares fell 2% on the initial news before recovering somewhat later in the day.

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  On 4/17/2024 at 3:49 PM, Wally Fairway said:
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Separate from the Boeing issue though it would seem. Alaskan had a botched IT upgrade that took their weight and balance calculating system offline so they temporarily couldn't certify flight plans

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  On 4/17/2024 at 3:52 PM, InkaUtexas said:

Boeing Whistleblowers testifying.

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Dying too.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/02/boeing-whistleblower-dies-suddenly-claiming-safety-flaws-ignored-20760390/

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A whistleblower who accused Boeing of ignoring safety flaws in the 737 MAX airplanes has died.

Joshua Dean, a former Spirit AeroSystems quality auditor, claimed he was fired for flagging concerns about lax standards at the company’s manufacturing plant in Wichita, Kansas.

His sudden death at the age of 45 on Tuesday came after suffering from a fast-spreading infection, according to his family and lawyer.

Dean’s lawyer Brian Knowles said it is a ‘loss to the aviation community and the flying public’.

Knowles told Al Jazeera: ‘He possessed tremendous courage to stand up for what he felt was true and right and raised quality and safety issues.

‘Aviation companies should encourage and incentivise those that do raise these concerns.

‘Otherwise, safety and quality are truly not these companies’ top priorities.’

Boeing came under fire for potentially fatal defects in its 737 MAX series.

The aircraft was involved in near-disaster when a door panel fell off of Alaska Airlines Flight 1282, a 737 MAX 9, mid-flight in January.

It’s lucky no one died when a door panel blew off a Boeing airplane mid-flight (Picture: Reuters)

Passengers lost phones and clothes, and were nearly sucked out, when the panel was sucked out, causing the plane to depressurize.

Spirit AeroSystems had built the door panel.

In a complaint filed with the Federal Aviation Administration, Dean accused Spirit of ‘serious and gross’ quality failings at its production facility.

He claimed his concerns about a serious manufacturing defect had been ignored.

Dean later testified in a shareholder lawsuit against the company.

He believed he was fired from Spirit in April 2023 to discourage others from speaking out about concerns.

A spokesperson for the company said: ‘This sudden loss is stunning news here at Spirit and for his loved ones.’

Dean is the second Boeing whistleblower to die this year.

John Barnett, a 62-year-old who was also represented by Brian Knowles, was found dead with an apparently ‘self-inflicted’ gunshot wound in March.

He had been in the middle of a lawsuit against Boeing after suffering retaliation for exposing safety problems with the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

But Dean’s death appears to be due to natural causes.

Writing on Facebook last Friday, his mother wrote that Dean was ‘fighting for his life’, having caught pneumonia and suffered a stroke after an MRSA infection.

He had previously been fit and healthy, according to The Seattle Times, which first reported his death.

Dean’s aunt Carol Parsons said: ‘It was brutal what he went through. Heartbreaking.’

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Sounds like there are 10 more whistle-blowers about to pay the ultimate price.

https://nypost.com/2024/05/04/us-news/boeing-faces-10-more-whistleblowers-after-two-die/

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The sky is falling — at least on Boeing.

A second whistleblower has died under mysterious circumstances, just two months after another one allegedly shot himself in the head — and the attorneys for both men hope their deaths don’t scare away the at least 10 more whistleblowers who want the company to clean up its act.

Joshua Dean, 45, a former quality auditor at Spirit AeroSystems, which assembles fuselage sections for Boeing, died Tuesday morning from a fast-growing mystery infection.

 

Dean’s death comes less than two months after Boeing whistleblower John Barnett, 62, died from an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound on March 9.

Barnett, who had worked for Boeing for 32 years, was found dead in his Dodge Ram truck holding a silver pistol in his hand in the parking lot of his South Carolina hotel after he failed to show up for the second part of his testimony for a bombshell lawsuit against the company.

At the same time, Boeing said last month that it lost $355 million on falling revenue in the first quarter, another sign of the crisis gripping the aircraft manufacturer as it faces increasing scrutiny over the safety of its planes and accusations of shoddy work from a growing number of surviving whistleblowers.

It was announced abruptly in March that Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun would step down by the end of the year in a move widely seen as a reaction to the ongoing safety crises.

Brian Knowles, a Charleston, South Carolina, attorney who represented both Barnett and Dean, hopes their deaths were not in vain.

“These men were heroes. So are all the whistleblowers. They loved the company and wanted to help the company do better,” Knowles told The Post.

“They didn’t speak out to be aggravating or for fame. They’re raising concerns because people’s lives are at stake.”

Knowles and others inside the Boeing scandals are hesitant to speculate about conspiracy theories swirling around the two whistleblower deaths.

“I knew John Barnett for seven years and never saw anything that would indicate he would take his own life,” Knowles told The Post.

“Then again, I’ve never dealt with someone who did (commit suicide). So maybe you don’t see the signs. I don’t know.”

Knowles pointed out that the Charleston, SC, police are still wrapping up their investigation of Barnett’s death — and that it may take some weeks for tests to reveal more about Dean’s passing.

“It’s a stunning loss,” Spirit AeroSystems spokesman Joe Buccino said of Dean. (The company is not to be confused with Spirit Airlines.) “Our focus here has been on his loved ones.”

Buccino insisted that Spirit “encourages” employees to come forth with their concerns and that they are then “cloaked under protection.”

A Boeing spokeswoman declined to answer questions on Barnett, but said in a statement that OSHA had determined Barnett was not retaliated against, and that the company’s own analysis found that the issues he raised “did not affect airplane safety.”

“We are saddened by Mr. Barnett’s passing and our thoughts continue to be with his family and friends,” the statement said.

“We encourage all employees to speak up when issues arise. Retaliation is strictly prohibited at Boeing.”

It’s news to other Boeing whistleblowers that Boeing and Spirit “encourage” workers to speak out.

They say they’ve either been retaliated against — or ignored.

Ed Pierson, 61, a former senior manager at Boeing’s 737 factory in Renton, Washington, left Boeing six years ago and created the Foundation for Aviation Safety.

He had tried in vain to get Boeing executives to shut down production of the plane before the two Boeing 737 MAX crashes in 2018 and 2019 that killed 346 people and led to the planes being grounded.

“It’s an unstable company right now from the top to the bottom,” Pierson told The Post. “Senior corporate leadership is so fixated on not admitting the truth that they can’t admit anything.”

Pierson did not mince words when he testified before Congress last month about what he called the “criminal cover-up” he believes Boeing bosses have led.

“Boeing is an American icon,” Pierson said. “This company is incredibly important to our country, both economically and in terms of national security with its commercial aviation side and its military defense work. But it doesn’t work when you have the wrong people driving the bus.”

Barnett was a quality control engineer who worked for Boeing for more than three decades before he retired in 2017.

He broke his silence two years later to warn that Boeing cut corners to speed its 787 Dreamliners into service and in numerous interviews described how he had complained internally to the company about what he claimed were serious safety flaws.

After his apparent suicide in March, Boeing employees told The Post that Barnett had made “powerful enemies,” and one said workers were skeptical that Barnett’s death was suicide.

Dean had raised the alarm in 2022, while working at Spirit AeroSystems, a Wichita, Kansas-based company which manufactures major aircraft parts for Boeing.

He was a quality auditor when he raised concerns about improperly drilled bulkhead holes on parts for the 737 MAX.

But, he alleged, flagging the issue with his management had no effect.

Less than a year later, he was fired.

“I think they were sending out a message to anybody else,” Dean later told NPR of his firing. “’If you are too loud, we will silence you.’”

Boeing has been dogged by whistleblower testimony and congressional investigations.

A scathing House report issued in September 2020 found that the two 737 MAX crashes were the “horrific culmination” of “repeated and serious failures” by the company and air safety regulators.

“Boeing was a Seattle company. Back in the day a typical Boeing CEO was a hyper-Midwestern farm boy who saw airplanes as a kid and went off to Seattle to conquer the world,” Craig Jenks, who runs the Airline/Aircraft Projects Inc. consultancy, told The Post.

“Then the finance people started taking over in the 1980s and they moved the corporate headquarters to Chicago and then to DC. It means senior management is never around the factory floor.”

The most headline-grabbing safety lapse was in January, when a fuselage panel blew off a new Alaskan Airlines 737 — although late last month, a safety slide fell off a Delta 767 and washed up, with perfect irony, in front of the home of an attorney suing Boeing over safety issues.

In the Alaska Airlines case, a whistleblower told the Seattle Times that the fault lay with Boeing, whose records showed that after the fuselage was delivered by Spirit, a panel had been removed at Boeing’s Renton factory and reinstalled minus four crucial bolts.

In the air, the panel flew off — fortunately, at a low enough altitude that the plane did not depressurize.

“It is … very, very stupid and speaks volumes about the quality culture at certain portions of the business,” the whistleblower told the Seattle Times.

A number of Boeing employees have alleged to the New York Times that the manufacturer has allowed mechanics to sign off on their own work, cutting out a layer of safety assurance.

“Profit has overtaken the historically famous pride of Boeing,” Peter Lake, an aviation expert who has investigated a number of plane crashes over the years, told The Post.

“It’s all corporate greed now. It’s become a standing joke that when there’s any malfunction in an airplane, people say it’s Boeing.

“Southwest Airlines had an engine failure recently and people ignorantly blamed Boeing. That shows what a cloud the company is under.

“Who knows if they’ll be able to pull themselves out of this disaster?”

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AP: Justice Department says Boeing violated deal that avoided prosecution after 737 Max crashes

 

In a letter filed Tuesday in federal court in Texas, Glenn Leon, head of the Justice Department criminal division’s fraud section, said Boeing violated terms of the settlement by failing to make promised changes to detect and prevent violations of federal anti-fraud laws.

The determination means that Boeing could be prosecuted “for any federal criminal violation of which the United States has knowledge,” including the charge of fraud that the company hoped to avoid with the settlement, the Justice Department said.

 

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  On 5/15/2024 at 10:26 PM, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Maybe he was just pointing out that while it did catch on fire no doors fell off

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well that and NONE of the 10+ fucking workers even made a fucking move to either A) DQ the power...

or B) the most obvious choice when you see a fire.... GRAB A FUCKING FIRE EXTINGUISHER

Holy shit, 3 mins of them going: "wow, thats a cool fire in the wheelwell on a plane with people in it. its like 2 foot above my head but fuck it, its not my job to put out a fire"

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