Ethiopian Airlines 737 Max crashes killing 157

[Captainant 27309]

1 hour ago, ClubWhatever said:

People hitting ceiling implies negative g's which is what you get with a pushover (hard push on column). If the AP is still engaged what will it try to do?

Gee, wasn't there a rash of Boeing jets deciding to lawn dart on their own due to an intentionally concealed engineering change to the plane?

 

It's gonna be interesting to see literally, physically, how the 787 accelerated so intensely with only a 25ft dive. That's a considerable amount of acceleration to pick up 100mph of ground speed in a second - even moreso if passengers were lifted out of their seats by the negative G's. 

 

I wonder if there was another singleton computer somewhere along the chain that had a reboot and caused some abberant behavior or something. Or maybe the pilot fucked up, but at this point I don't trust Boeing's ability to produce and maintain their aircraft effectively. And even less so their candor and honesty in telling the public wtf actually happened

[ClubWhatever 12085]

45 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's gonna be interesting to see literally, physically, how the 787 accelerated so intensely with only a 25ft dive. That's a considerable amount of acceleration to pick up 100mph of ground speed in a second -

I don't trust that data at all.  Run F=MA on those numbers.   The forces needed are way way too high.

[Captainant 27309]

4 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

I don't trust that data at all.  Run F=MA on those numbers.   The forces needed are way way too high.

I could see a whipsaw short climb into a short steep dive along with a goosed throttle doing something like that, but even so, yeah. That's way too much M times A to be reasonable, at least I would think intuitively. 

[C-Man 26991]

On 3/11/2024 at 5:16 PM, Deej said:

Never unfasten your seat belt.

AND

[Paper_jam 828]

You could strap a Saturn V booster to a 787 and it still wouldn't gain ~200 mph in one second. Granted, the cited data is groundspeed not airspeed but still.

 

 

 

 

[babysdaddy 2711]

So pilot fuck up? 787 still good?

[Captainant 27309]

29 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

So pilot fuck up? 787 still good?

More data needed. But what's been reported so far doesn't really add up 

[Hagbard Celine 10734]

no need to read this.....  it confirms fdr and cvr were seized more than 20 hours ago

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/black-box-seized-by-authorities-investigating-latam-airlines-la800-flight-after-turbulence-issue-to-auckland/news-story/76fee35d0469f8fb93bd8f88c864defa

the victor vector f=ma glove don't fit, and we have someone claiming access to the data claiming the boxes confirm what has been reported

this is going to be interesting but the story is already in remission given the msm is simply repeating yesterday's news

 

[Captainant 27309]

7 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

no need to read this.....  it confirms fdr and cvr were seized more than 20 hours ago

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/black-box-seized-by-authorities-investigating-latam-airlines-la800-flight-after-turbulence-issue-to-auckland/news-story/76fee35d0469f8fb93bd8f88c864defa

the victor vector f=ma glove don't fit, and we have someone claiming access to the data claiming the boxes confirm what has been reported

this is going to be interesting but the story is already in remission given the msm is simply repeating yesterday's news

 

I don't know the thrust profile of the 787s engines but that's, like, an afterburner or rocket amount of thrust if it's true. I'm not sure a pilot could command the plan to do what it did, but she's a fly by wire bird, so it seems consistent with the pilots story of the flight computers on the flight deck all going black scren and seemingly resetting during flight and causing chaos 

Crazy story, thanks for posting an actual news update

 

Edit: it does seem like the plane took a shitload of negative g's from passenger statements in that article. 12 hospitalized and one in "serious condition"

“There wasn’t a lot of explanation on what did happen. Suddenly we were finishing lunch (then it happened),” Mr Ellwood said on Tuesday.

“There was wine on the roof and there were people on the roof. It was just a scary, terrifying moment.”

Mr Ellwood said he was holding his iPad and filling out a passenger declaration for New Zealand when the incident occurred.

“The declaration form and my iPad both hit the roof and came crashing down immediately. It was crazy,” he said.

Edited March 13 by Captainant

[Surly Bevo 24692]

So it was kind of like Tower of Terror.....cool, like that ride.

[ClubWhatever 12085]

This will end up having nothing to do with screens, computers, software, or flight control malfunctions.

[Incredulity 11532]

19 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

People hitting ceiling implies negative g's which is what you get with a pushover (hard push on column).

maybe the pilot was communicating with a Mig-28?

[C-Man 26991]

More Boeing issues. This time it's the 777. Company lost $4B overnight.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13190091/United-Boeing-jet-bound-San-Francisco-forced-landing.html

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Beleaguered Boeing has experienced yet another problem with one of its planes - after one was forced to land due to fuel spewing from its landing gear.

The incident - only the latest from the embattled manufacturer - occurred  Monday, and is the fifth involving a Boeing plane in the span of seven days.

Now under investigation, the forced landing happened as the San Francisco-bound 777-300 embarked from Sydney, with fluid filmed leaking from its undercarriage.

On Saturday, an ex-Boeing staffer-turned whistleblower was found dead by an apparent suicide, after saying he witnessed second-rate parts being fitted on planes.

Moreover, following the recent incident Monday - and another hours before that saw 50 passengers injured on the firm's flagship 787-Dreamliner - Boeing lost more than $4billion overnight, after shares dropped more than 4 percent Tuesday morning.  

The FAA has since revealed the firm failed 33 of 89 audits during an exam of Boeing's 737 Max - a model it had been planning to update with the long delayed Max 10.

After the incident Monday - and the several before - United Airlines requested the firm halt work on the unreleased jets: an apparent sign of carriers' diminishing faith.

The incident occurred Monday, and is the fifth involving a Boeing plane in the span of seven days. The forced landing happened as the San Francisco-bound 777-300 took off from Sydney, as flammable fluid was seen leaking from its undercarriage

'We’ve asked Boeing to stop building Max 10s, which they've done, for us and start building Max 9s,' United Chief Executive Officer Scott Kirby said Tuesday at a JPMorgan investor conference. 

'It’s impossible to say when the Max 10 is going to get certified,' he went on, less than a day after the United Airlines jet flying out of Australia had to turn around midflight because of the mechanical issue.

The plane would go on to land safely at Sydney Airport with no injuries, officials said - though that was not the case for another failure-affected flight only hours before. 

Also flying out of Australia, though this time a Boeing 787 Dreamliner, the flight from Sydney to Auckland also experienced a 'technical event' - one that caused 'a strong movement' that jolted passengers in their seats, reportedly sending one passenger into the cabin ceiling.

Roughly 50 people were treated by first responders and at least five remain hospitalized - after the plane dipped violently, LATAM airline and first responders both told AFP.

The cause of the issue - as is the case with the California-bound craft - remains unknown. Both incidents are now under investigation, at a time where the firm is already under heavy scrutiny.

That attention stems from a separate incident involving a 737 Max that happened in early January, where an unused emergency exit door blew off a brand-new plane shortly after take-off from Portland International.

Feds have been vetting the incident ever since, during which time Boeing's value has nosedived an eye-watering $150billion to $112billion. Also within that span, the firm has seen at least four other planes planes technical failures. 

It saw 50 people treated by first responders after a Boeing 787 flying from Australia to New Zealand experienced a 'technical event' that caused 'a strong movement' that jolted passengers in their seats, reportedly sending one into the ceiling. Five remain hospitalized

The first, also involving a Boeing 737, occurred March 4 shortly after takeoff from Florida's Fort Meyers, and saw one of the plane's engines catch fire.

Footage from the cabin showed passengers screaming and crying as they witnessed flames billowing up over one of the plane's wings, after one of the turbines on the United flight somehow ingested bubble wrap before the departure, the airline said.

No one was injured during the incident.

A few days later, on another United flight, a wheel fell off a Boeing 777-200 shortly after takeoff in San Francisco.  

As was the case with the other mishaps, it occurred shortly after take-off, and saw the 256lb wheel crush several cars parked below after plummeting to the ground. 

The United Airlines flight on its way to Osaka was barely off the runway when the Boeing 777-200's wheel came off, with footage showing it laying on the runway

The plane with 235 passengers and 14 crew diverted to Los Angeles Airport after it was alerted to the landing gear failure at 11:35am Thursday, before eventually landing safely at LAX at around 1.20pm with no further incident.

No injuries reported on the ground.

United, at the time, issued a statement that seemingly attempted to quell riders' concerns: 'The 777-200 has six tires on each of its two main landing gear struts.

'The aircraft is designed to land safely with missing or damaged tires.'

The first, also involving a Boeing 737, occurred March 4 shortly after takeoff from Florida's Fort Meyers, and saw one of the plane's engines catch fire. Footage from the cabin showed passengers screaming as they witnessed flames billowing over one of the plane's wings

A few days later, on another United flight, a wheel fell off a Boeing 777-200 shortly after takeoff in San Francisco .

As was the case with the other mishaps, it occurred shortly after take-off, and saw the 256lb wheel crush several cars parked below after plummeting to the ground 

Then, on Friday, On Friday, a United Airlines aircraft skidded off a runway into a grassy area after a rough landing in Houston

The aircraft, which arrived from Memphis, is said to have suffered some form of gear collapse as it exited the runway at George Bush Airport. The 160 passengers and six crew were not injured

Footage showed the plane stopped with its wing touching the ground by the side of the runway, while passengers were hurried off from an emergency gate ladder. The plane, in that case, was also a Boeing 737 Max

Meanwhile, former Boeing Quality Manager John Barnett - who had been involved in whistleblower retaliation suit against the manufacturer - was found dead from what police said was a self-inflicted gunshot wound Saturday, while meeting Boeing lawyers in South Carolina

The craft is the same model seen leaking fuel in Sydney on Monday.

Then, on Friday, On Friday, a United Airlines aircraft skidded off a runway into a grassy area after a rough landing in Houston. 

The aircraft, which arrived from Memphis, is said to have suffered some form of gear collapse as it exited the runway at George Bush Airport. The 160 passengers and six crew were not injured. 

Footage showed the plane stopped with its wing touching the ground by the side of the runway, while passengers were hurried off from an emergency gate ladder. 

The plane, in that case, was also a Boeing 737 Max.

A few hours later, a flight from San Francisco to Mexico City was diverted to LA after an issue with the plane’s hydraulic system, United Airlines said - this time referring to a Boeing 777-300, the same model seen spewing fuel on Monday.

None of the 183 passengers or crew were injured.

The next day, retired Boeing Quality Manager John Barnett - who had been involved in whistleblower retaliation suit against the manufacturer - was found dead in South Carolina from what cops said was a self-inflicted gunshot.

His death came during a break in depositions in his whistleblower retaliation suit, in Charleston where he was to meet Boeing lawyers fighting his case.

It alleged Barnett, 62, witnessed under-pressure workers at the firm's then new plant in South Carolina were deliberately fitting sub-standard parts to aircraft on the assembly line, and that in some cases, second-rate parts were removed from scrap bins, before being fitted to planes that were being built to prevent delays. 

Back in January, the staffer who spent four years overseeing quality checks at the Charleston plant issued stark warnings about the aviation giant's 787 Dreamliner and 737 Max models specifically, just weeks before his demise 

Boeing plane's engines BURST into flames

A 2017 review by the FAA upheld some of his concerns, and had just given a deposition to Boeing's lawyers for the case this past week, his attorney said.

Back in January, the staffer who spent four years overseeing quality checks at the Charleston plant issued stark warnings about the aviation giant's 787 Dreamliner and 737 Max models specifically, just weeks before his demise.

'This is not a 737 problem - this is a Boeing problem,' he said after being asked if he believed the 737 was safe to fly following the door incident and a subsequent FAA inspection.

'I know the FAA is going in and done due diligence and inspections to ensure the door close on the 737 is installed properly and the fasteners are stored properly,' he said, citing the parts that likely played a part in the incident. 

'But, my concern is, "What's the rest of the airplane? What's the condition of the rest of the airplane?"'

He went on to provide a reason for that concern - one that he said led him to file the lawsuit against the aviation firm.

'Back in 2012, Boeing started removing inspection operations off their jobs,' he told TMZ's Charles Latibeaudiere and Harvey Levin, recalling his time as a quality overseer at Boeing's plant in South Carolina, which manufactured mostly 787s.

'So, it left the mechanics to buy off their own work,' he explained.

Barnett went on to charge that the incident involving the door was indicative of something greater - and something alleged in his lawsuit: Boeing turning a blind eye to safety concerns in order to raise their bottom line.

'What we're seeing with the door plug blowout is what I've seen with the rest of the airplane, as far as jobs not being completed properly, inspection steps being removed, issues being ignored,' he charged, months before his sudden death.

'My concerns are with the 737 and 787, because those programs have really embraced the theory that quality is overhead and non value added.

The plant where Barnett worked for decades is where Boeing builds the 787 Dreamliner, one of several crafts from the airliner that's made headlines as of late. Pictured: an unrelated United Airlines Boeing 787-9 takes off from Los Angeles international Airport on July 30, 2022

'Those two programs have really put a strong effort into removing quality from the process.'

The FAA appears to have stood up some of the expert's assertions after revealing how a six-week audit found 'multiple instances where [Boeing] allegedly failed to comply with manufacturing quality control requirements' of its 737s. 

At one point during the exam, feds found that mechanics at Spirit AeroSystems - one of Boeing's main suppliers - used a hotel key card to check a door seal, and a liquid Dawn soap to a door seal 'as lubricant in the fit-up process.' 

That action was 'not identified/documented/called-out in the production order,' a document outlining the probe said - spurring  FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker to decree Boeing must develop a comprehensive plan to address such 'systemic quality-control issues' within 90 days 

He sent summary of its findings to the companies in its completed audit, after an all-day February 27 meeting with CEO Dave Calhoun. He did not state the specific corrective actions Boeing and Spirit must take.

'Boeing must commit to real and profound improvements,' Whitaker explained at the time last week. 'We are going to hold them accountable every step of the way, with mutually understood milestones and expectations.'

Calhoun responded in his own statement, saying that Boeing's leadership team was 'totally committed' to addressing FAA concerns and developing the plan.

Spirit, which makes the fuselage for the now scrutinized MAX, issued a statement saying it was 'in communication with Boeing and the FAA on appropriate corrective actions.'

 In response, Boeing claimed that after some 'quality stand-downs, the FAA audit findings, and the recent expert review panel report, we have a clear picture of what needs to be done.'

Since then, the 737 has continued to experience technical failures, after being grounded by the FAA for two years following two crashes in 2017 and 2019 that collectively killed 346.

Clearing them to fly again in 2021, officials deemed the crashes to be the result of a combination of oversight, design flaws, and inaction by Boeing brass. 

That said, the door blowing off the brand-new 737 in January has since sparked a renewed probe by the DOJ - one that could get complex as these failures continue.

Further complicating matters is the fact that Boeing's continued crises have now forced airlines like United and Southwest to cut flights and even pause hiring - decisions bolstered by United's decision to hold off on the unproved 737 Max 10,

Once the Max 10 gets clearance to operate, Kirby said Monday, United will start accepting some of the craft into its fleet. 

Back in January, shortly after the door incident, Kirby said the airline would build a fleet plan without the Max 10 because of constant delays. 

On Friday, United told staff it would have to pause pilot hiring this spring because new Boeing planes are arriving late, CNBC reported. 

Southwest Airlines, which only flies Boeing 737s, also trimmed its capacity forecast for 2024, saying this week that it was reevaluating the year's financial guidance, citing fewer Boeing deliveries than it previously expected: 46 as opposed to 79.

Southwest Airlines CEO Bob Jordan said at the JPMorgan industry conference Tuesday: Boeing needs to become a better company and the deliveries will follow that.'

Alaska Airlines added Tuesday that its 2024 capacity estimates are 'in flux due to uncertainty around the timing of aircraft deliveries as a result of increased FAA and DOJ scrutiny on Boeing and its operations.'

Boeing, meanwhile, issued a statement on the recent incident Monday, as it faces not only a criminal investigation from the DOJ for the door incident, but the still-to-be seen repercussions from the several incidents since

'We maintain all of our aircraft in accordance with United’s FAA-approved maintenance program,' the firm said in a statement after passengers on the San Francisco-Sydney flight were seen exiting safely, before being given hotel rooms to stay overnight

'We take every safety event seriously and will investigate each incident to understand what happened and learn from it. 

'Much of this work is conducted together with the manufacturers, the FAA, and the NTSB, as well as with the manufacturers of individual components. 

'While this work is ongoing, each of these events is distinct and unrelated to one another. Safety is our top priority, and we’ll continue to do everything we can to keep our customers and employees safe.'

The passengers on the flight seen leaking fuel over Australia were also provided a return flight Monday. 

 

[Incredulity 11532]

7 minutes ago, C-Man said:

after one was forced to land due to fuel spewing from its landing gear.

[InkaUtexas 25423]

So do all their planes suck or are we hearing about it more?

 

[Incredulity 11532]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So do all their planes suck or are we hearing about it more?

 

I would speculate wildly.  

 

A bit from column A and a bit from column B

[conVINCEd 21468]

Have we considered the possibility that the airlines are cutting corners on the maintenance of their fleets?  If I don’t change my oil for 15 years and my engine goes kaput, is that Ford’s fault?

[ClubWhatever 12085]

All of this shit about wheels and engine fires and fluid has been happening for decades.   Probably similar to same rate too.   The media is in a frenzy because of the Max issues and because the stories get clicks.   That's not to say Boeing didn't completely drop the ball on quality.  They did.   But the current coverage conflates multiple issues some of which have nothing to do with Boeing's quality issues. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19327]

2 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

This will end up having nothing to do with screens, computers, software, or flight control malfunctions.

[DigglerontheHoof 21022]

If I've learned anything from Air Disasters it's that crashes usually result from a combination of lax maintenance issues and pilot error. 

[Incredulity 11532]

42 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Have we considered the possibility that the airlines are cutting corners on the maintenance of their fleets?  If I don’t change my oil for 15 years and my engine goes kaput, is that Ford’s fault?

The entire world is squeezing 15 pounds of shit into 10 pound garbage bags.  Yes, bean counters and managing to quarterly stock reporting, JIT inventory, LEAN,....(insert business school jargon here)  is a significant factor.

Brain drain, short staffing and component supply shortages brought on by shutting the world down has that problem on steroids.

Its everywhere, substitute components/vendors/processes are the status quo.

[ClubWhatever 12085]

18 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

It's going to be laughably more mundane.

[Captainant 27309]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Jet fuel is used as a working hydraulic and cooling fluid for pretty much everything on a plane that needs hydraulic power. Why bring along a whole shitload of heavy hydraulic fluid when your fuel meets the material specifications and you've already got a bunch of it with you?

[Incredulity 11532]

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Jet fuel is used as a working hydraulic and cooling fluid for pretty much everything on a plane that needs hydraulic power. Why bring along a whole shitload of heavy hydraulic fluid when your fuel meets the material specifications and you've already got a bunch of it with you?

[RPM 26185]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

So do all their planes suck or are we hearing about it more?

 

Boeing was like McDonalds. You knew what you got for what you paid. Now McDeez is run by bean counters instead of 16 yo cooks. You can fuck up a burger order and nobody dies 99.9% of the time. Boeing can't match McDonalds QC.

[Pato del Muerto 52321]

Jet engines are 2 stroke at 40:1 mix, who knew. 

[Brian Fantana 6654]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

So do all their planes suck or are we hearing about it more?

 

They spend most of their money on stock buybacks instead of R&D. Federal oversight of the company has been dramatically reduced in recent years. Hell, their most outspoken whistleblower just ended up dead.

So just a bunch of great stuff coming out there.

The moral of the story is: Fly in an Airbus.

[InkaUtexas 25423]

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

They spend most of their money on stock buybacks instead of R&D. Federal oversight of the company has been dramatically reduced in recent years. Hell, their most outspoken whistleblower just ended up dead.

So just a bunch of great stuff coming out there.

The moral of the story is: Fly in an Airbus.

Fuck Airbus. I am over 6 feet tall. Used to do the Dubai-JFK run twice a month once it opened. Did it a few times and said fuck this, went via Heathrow to DFW on 777's.

This pisses me off.

[Captainant 27309]

7 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

They spend most of their money on stock buybacks instead of R&D. Federal oversight of the company has been dramatically reduced in recent years. Hell, their most outspoken whistleblower just ended up dead.

So just a bunch of great stuff coming out there.

The moral of the story is: Fly in an Airbus.

Yeah this is what we call, as incredulity helpfully pointed out, "late stage capitalism". Boeing has spent more than $90,000,000,000 on stock buybacks in the last decade. NINETY BILLION BUCKS! 

That's why all of these engineering failures and preventable deaths are so galling. Boeing isn't hurting for resources to make good products, they're just doing a fucking scrooge McDuck because they know they'll be bailed out since they're a monopoly.

But in the meantime, they're paying aircraft assembly mechanics and inspectors less than what a teacher can make in Austin. And that's a LOW goddamn number for people assembling critical hardware. Fuck ups like leaving out bolts is gonna happen more and more and more as employee wages and project funds are skimmed off for stock buybacks

Edited March 13 by Captainant

[BrickHorn 18176]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

The entire world is squeezing 15 pounds of shit into 10 pound garbage bags.  Yes, bean counters and managing to quarterly stock reporting, JIT inventory, LEAN,....(insert business school jargon here)  is a significant factor.

Brain drain, short staffing and component supply shortages brought on by shutting the world down has that problem on steroids.

Its everywhere, substitute components/vendors/processes are the status quo.

So are you in favor of more stringent regulations of commercial airlines?

[Incredulity 11532]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

So are you in favor of more stringent regulations of commercial airlines?

Stringent how?  

[BrickHorn 18176]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Stringent how?  

In ways that force the kind of technical care and safety measures that beancounters would otherwise cut for short term profit purposes.

[Incredulity 11532]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

In ways that force the kind of technical care and safety measures that beancounters would otherwise cut for short term profit purposes.

Broadly, regulation to enforce safety and other standards is needed.  Any regulatory system is going to have deficiencies.  

Making regulations more, "stringent" isn't necessarily going to address those deficiencies.  So my answer is, it depends.

[Brian Fantana 6654]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Fuck Airbus. I am over 6 feet tall. Used to do the Dubai-JFK run twice a month once it opened. Did it a few times and said fuck this, went via Heathrow to DFW on 777's.

This pisses me off.

Yeah I am too, but I mostly fly within the continental US. The A320s Delta uses are always comfortable for me. The 737s feel like I'm in a sardine can.

[InkaUtexas 25423]

Flew on those a lot overseas. Nice plane. But long haul? Give me a 777

Worst flight of my life was going into Nepal. 747, Phuket Air. Me and the boss were the only two up in business. It was a worker flight.

Time to bring back Amtrak.

[Captainant 27309]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/13/boeing-737-door-ntsb-investigation

US safety agency says Boeing video of door-plug removal was overwritten

The head of National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said on Wednesday that investigators still do not know who worked on a Boeing 737 Max 9 door plug involved in the 5 January Alaska Airlines midair emergency and that video footage was overwritten.

The NTSB’s chair, Jennifer Homendy, said in a letter to senators that investigators sought security camera footage when the door plug was opened and closed in September but were informed the material was overwritten. “The absence of those records will complicate the NTSB’s investigation moving forward,” she said.

[Brian Fantana 6654]

32 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Broadly, regulation to enforce safety and other standards is needed.  Any regulatory system is going to have deficiencies.  

Making regulations more, "stringent" isn't necessarily going to address those deficiencies.  So my answer is, it depends.

Making them more lax created those deficiencies in the first place. Lobbying for more lax regulation so they could legally cut corners to have more money to spend on stock buybacks is literally how we got here. The FAA outsourced safety inspection of Boeing's commercial aircraft, some to approved inspectors directly employed by Boeing. That is a pants-shittingly massive conflict of interest in any industry, let alone one where safety/QA is arguably the most important thing you do.

This is straight up just a once great American company being utterly destroyed by the stock market, and it has thus far cost thousands of lives and it's going to continue until they are forced to address those deficiencies by regulation. There is no free market dipshittery that's going to correct this. We're well past the point where they have to be forced to whip themselves into shape because it has become abundantly clear they are not going to do it on their own.

[mchookem 16094]

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

They spend most of their money on stock buybacks instead of R&D. Federal oversight of the company has been dramatically reduced in recent years. Hell, their most outspoken whistleblower just ended up dead.

So just a bunch of great stuff coming out there.

The moral of the story is: Fly in an Airbus.

nsiap

 

17 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Time to bring back Amtrak.

oh, about that...

 

 

HAHAHA 

[royiv 9131]

4 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Fuck Airbus. I am over 6 feet tall. Used to do the Dubai-JFK run twice a month once it opened. Did it a few times and said fuck this, went via Heathrow to DFW on 777's.

This pisses me off.

That has nothing to do with the manufacturer. The airline specifies seat dimensions, pitch, density and even the choice of actual seat from a variety of seat manufacturers.

[NoName 16271]

On 3/12/2024 at 12:20 PM, RPM said:

link no werk

 

On 3/12/2024 at 12:33 PM, Blotto said:

Dont know what to tell ya...the link works on both my phone and laptop

 

the archive sites have a known issue with certain DNS setups

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archive.today (and its aliases: .is .fo .il .md .ph .vn) actively sabotages DNS queries coming from Cloudflare (1.1.1.1, etc.), Quad9 (9.9.9.9, etc.), and possibly others (I didn't check but there were reports that Google's 8.8.8.8 is affected as well). The inconsistent results can be due to DNS cashing.

Obviously, switching to your ISPs DNS server or to a third party one that isn't affected will fix the issue, but people have legitimate reasons for using those DNS servers and since archive.today is the only site that refuses to play the most plausible explanation is asshattery, and a better approach would be give them the finger and advocate the use of archive.org instead.

 

there are some solutions in this reddit link from a year ago: https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/118haqg/archiveph_webpage_archive_as_site_is/

Edited March 14 by NoName

[ClubWhatever 12085]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/pilot-seat-movement-focus-probe-into-latam-boeing-flight-report-says-2024-03-13/

https://theaircurrent.com/feed/dispatches/pilot-seat-movement-at-center-of-latam-787-9-dive-investigation/

Edited March 14 by ClubWhatever

[UT_OB1 2200]

This seems suspicious. Did I miss the news cycle where people speculated this guy was off’d?  I’ve seen The Voyeurs. No way I believe it was really suicide

 

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On Saturday, an ex-Boeing staffer-turned whistleblower was found dead by an apparent suicide, after saying he witnessed second-rate parts being fitted on planes.

 

[CycleTex87 2953]

Cockpit Mishap Might Have Caused Plunge on Latam Boeing 787

Speculation that a flight attendant inadvertently hit a switch which caused the pilot’s seat to move forward into the controls causing the dive. 
 

Wall Street Journal. 

Edited March 14 by CycleTex87

[Deej 76510]

[DaysOff 7821]

Lolz. Never let them near your seat man.

[retread 2951]

[Dahobbs 17420]

8 hours ago, CycleTex87 said:

Cockpit Mishap Might Have Caused Plunge on Latam Boeing 787

Speculation that a flight attendant inadvertently hit a switch which caused the pilot’s seat to move forward into the controls causing the dive. 
 

Wall Street Journal. 

Ah, so the pilot's screen went "blank" due to a sudden loss of blood pressure when the flight attendant moved his "seat?"

[Captainant 27309]

Barnett apparently told his family that "if anything happens, it's not suicide"

JFC. 

 

Edited March 15 by Captainant

[Deej 76510]

I tell my family that every time I go drinking on Rainey Street. 

[bschoolprof 6232]

So there's a switch causing/allowing the seat to move forward quickly enough to cause an instant zero gravity dive? Is it next to the "wings fly off" switch?