Ethiopian Airlines 737 Max crashes killing 157

[RPM 26,687]

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Huh, I guess it wasn't simply a case of """poor airmanship"""

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-prosecutors-recommend-doj-criminally-charge-boeing-deadline-looms-2024-06-23/

 

Air China didn't have a bad idea when they made their execs be in the air on Y2K. Quite the incentive to get it right.

[Captainant 28,620]

More sweetheart deals for the criminal corporation that kills hundreds through poor airmanship negligence 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-plea-deal-deferred-prosecution-agreement/

Javier de Luis, who was a member of the Federal Aviation Administration's expert review panel on Boeing's safety culture and whose sister was killed in the 2019 737 Max crash, said following Sunday's call with the Justice Department, "The issue is not whether there should be trial vs a plea deal. The issue is that the penalties being proposed by the DoJ are totally inadequate both from the perspective of accountability for the crimes committed, and from the perspective of acting in the public interest by ensuring a change in Boeing's behavior."

"The penalties proposed here are essentially the same as those proposed under the previous DPA which, as Alaska Air demonstrated, did nothing to increase the safety of the flying public," de Luis said, referencing the January mid-air blowout of a door on an Alaska Airlines flight.

[Captainant 28,620]

Reuters: Boeing to plead guilty to fraud in US probe of fatal 737 MAX crashes

 

 

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON, July 7 (Reuters) - Boeing (BA.N), opens new tab has agreed to plead guilty to a criminal fraud conspiracy charge and pay a fine of $243.6 million to resolve a U.S. Justice Department investigation into two 737 MAX fatal crashes, the government said in a court filing on Sunday.

The plea deal, which requires a judge's approval, would brand the planemaker a convicted felon in connection with crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia over a five-month period in 2018 and 2019 that killed 346 people.

 

The settlement drew swift criticism from victims' families who wanted Boeing to face a trial and suffer harsher financial consequences.

The Justice Department's (DOJ) push to charge Boeing has deepened an ongoing crisis engulfing Boeing since a separate January in-flight blowout exposed continuing safety and quality issues at the planemaker.

 

A guilty plea potentially threatens the company's ability to secure lucrative government contracts with the likes of the U.S. Defense Department and NASA, although it could seek waivers.

 

...

 

As part of the deal, the planemaker agreed to spend at least $455 million over the next three years to boost safety and compliance programs. Boeing's board will have to meet with relatives of those killed in the MAX crashes, the filing said.

The deal also imposes an independent monitor, who will have to publicly file annual progress reports, to oversee the firm's compliance. Boeing will be on probation during the monitor's three-year term.

 

Lawyers for some of the victims' families said they planned to press Judge Reed O'Connor, who has been overseeing the case, to reject the deal.

Edited July 8 by Captainant

[RPM 26,687]

Slap on the wrist.

[conVINCEd 21,477]

Until the execs are taking dick in FPMITA prison nothing will change.   Oh, a fine that we can pass on to the shareholders, that is fine.  We’ve already sucked enough out of this company to ensure generational wealth. Until people really suffer for their wrongdoing, they will continue their wrongdoing.

[Goredho 17,663]

Wait, I thought the enshittening thread was over there?  But its over here.  And over there.  And over there, too.

Well, shit.

[elfenix 34,809]

45 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Until the execs are taking dick in FPMITA prison nothing will change.   Oh, a fine that we can pass on to the *current* shareholders, not the ones who sold and benefitted from the fraud, that is fine.  We’ve already sucked enough out of this company to ensure generational wealth. Until people really suffer for their wrongdoing, they will continue their wrongdoing.

Ftfy

Edited July 8 by elfenix

[RPM 26,687]

But (no CR) since the SCOTUS Chevron shit nobody can enforce any safety regs except a judge. I feel much safer getting on a Boeing now.

Edited July 8 by RPM

[Captainant 28,620]

10 hours ago, RPM said:

But (no CR) since the SCOTUS Chevron shit nobody can enforce any safety regs except a judge. I feel much safer getting on a Boeing now.

I wonder if Boeing will tell them to pound sand on the recent order to inspect all their 737MAX and NG's for issues with their oxygen masks 

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/faa-orders-inspections-2600-boeing-737-airplanes-over-oxygen-mask-issue-2024-07-08/

 

[Brisketexan 107,063]

I wonder if Boeing will tell them to pound sand on the recent order to inspect all their 737MAX and NG's for issues with their oxygen masks 
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/faa-orders-inspections-2600-boeing-737-airplanes-over-oxygen-mask-issue-2024-07-08/
 

They will.
It will work.
Nothing will change at Boeing.
More people will die.
And then a company vital to our national security and economic wellbeing will die. And the only people who will suffer directly will be current shareholders: every exec who murdered the company will be in their $10 million houses counting their additional millions and not giving a shit.

Which is our system working EXACTLY as designed and intended. Prepare for a lot more of it.

[Brian Fantana 6,877]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2024/07/09/boeing-wheel-united-airlines-flight/

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,645]

Fuck Boeing and the Greed Is Good-Indoctrinated Financial Bros rolling the dice with peoples' lives.

Fuck these shits. 

[Blotto 24,046]

Nice work Boeing. Nice Effort. The moral at that place must be  abysmal. Well, except for in the C-suite 

[InkaUtexas 27,047]

I love how the CFO adjusted his Salary + Bonus.

 

[BamaATL 16,593]

22 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I love how the CFO adjusted his Salary + Bonus.

 

If anyone is interested, I think I can make 30 million dollars a year and get people stranded in space and killed in planes.  Hell, I'll do the job for $20 million.  My first action item is changing the slogan to "We make no promises."   

[HenryJames 67,517]

They went to space for eight days - and could be stuck until 2025
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4yqepr469o

[Macanudo 13,358]

42 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

They went to space for eight days - and could be stuck until 2025
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4yqepr469o

The space equivalent of a three hour tour.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,645]

Fuck anyone who thinks "over-regulation" is a problem.

[BamaATL 16,593]

57 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

The space equivalent of a three hour tour.

NASA's Ginger might just kill Mary Ann, if history tells us anything.  

[GoPokes83 2,250]

 

[GoPokes83 2,250]

The space equivalent of a three hour tour.

Fucking ground patrol to Major Tom

[Deej 77,929]

On 8/10/2024 at 7:49 PM, HenryJames said:

They went to space for eight days - and could be stuck until 2025
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4yqepr469o

At least they miss the election cycle.

[choripan 796]

36 minutes ago, Deej said:

At least they miss the election cycle.

Haha, we were talking about this at the bar the other night.

Is there some manner in which they can securely vote absentee?

[Captainant 28,620]

7 hours ago, choripan said:

Haha, we were talking about this at the bar the other night.

Is there some manner in which they can securely vote absentee?

IIRC they use mail-in voting along the same lines as deployed service members

[HornOnTheBayou 9,076]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

IIRC they use mail-in voting along the same lines as deployed service members

Do the astronauts drop off their ballot at the nearest mailbox?

[BearMace 2,258]

6 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Do the astronauts drop off their ballot at the nearest mailbox?

Yes, but they've restricted it to only one approved drop off box for all of low-Earth orbit so a lot of astronauts just rather not deal with the lines. 

[ClubWhatever 12,330]

Boeing 777X can't do test flights anymore because one of the two giant links that holds the engine on was found broken after a flight from Hawaii.  Then they checked the other two flight test planes and they had broken links too.   These parts are like 10 feet long and are made from welded titanium tube by a supplier.
 

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/boeing-halts-777-9-certification-tests-engine-mount-checks

 

Edited August 20 by ClubWhatever

[Paper_jam 858]

Boeing management:  sounds like we can cut some costs and just use one link then

 

 

[NeverMarryAStripper 22,339]

Is it bad if the engines fall off?

[BearMace 2,258]

How often?

[AUS-97HORN 12,062]

I cudda sworn I already saw these NASA stranded episodes on apple TV

[956 Worldwide 35,612]

Boeing products be like this tho

 

[General Specific 3,508]

Is it bad if the engines fall off?

Are we at the terminal?

[bolverk 30,390]

Safety Board Warns of Rudder Control Defect in Some Boeing Planes
The National Transportation Safety Board said it had found a defective part in the system that helps steer the aircraft after investigating an incident at Newark airport.

The National Transportation Safety Board on Thursday issued a safety alert and recommendations for some Boeing planes, warning that a defect could cause the rudder control system that helps steer the aircraft to jam.

The warning applies to some of the company’s 737 Max and 737NG jets. It stems from the agency’s investigation into a United Airlines Boeing 737 Max 8 that experienced “stuck” rudder pedals while landing at Newark Liberty International Airport in February.

The safety board said it had been notified that more than 350 of the defective parts were delivered to Boeing, but it was not immediately clear how many planes with the affected component might be in service. The Federal Aviation Administration said it believed United was the only U.S. operator that had the faulty parts, and United said it had removed the components from its nine affected planes.

The safety board urged the F.A.A. to determine whether the faulty parts should be removed from service and, if so, to mandate that U.S. operators replace them. It also recommended informing international aviation regulators to encourage similar actions. The F.A.A. said in a statement that it had “been monitoring this situation closely” and would convene a panel to determine its next steps.

The warning adds to a string of safety woes for Boeing, which is already under intense scrutiny from regulators after incidents including a panel that blew off a jet midair this year. An audit conducted by the F.A.A. after that incident found dozens of problems throughout the 737 Max’s manufacturing process.

The safety board opened its investigation into the rudder control issue on Feb. 6, after the captain of a 737 Max 8 had to use the nose wheel steering tiller to maintain control of the plane when the rudder pedal became stuck while landing at Newark. A plane’s rudder control is primarily used on takeoff and landing to maintain the direction of the plane’s nose.

After the incident, the board tested a rudder control component known as the rollout guidance actuator from the aircraft and found that the functionality of the part, produced by Collins Aerospace, was “significantly compromised.” The company determined that a sealed bearing was improperly assembled during production, leaving it susceptible to moisture, which can freeze and impede the rudder system’s movements.

“Collins notified Boeing that more than 353 actuators that Collins had delivered to Boeing since February 2017 were affected by this condition,” the safety board said in a statement.

No one was injured in the incident.

In a statement, Collins Aerospace said: “We have and continue to work closely with the N.T.S.B. and Boeing on this investigation. We are supporting Boeing and operators to mitigate operational impacts.” Boeing did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Boeing 737 flight manual instructs pilots to apply maximum force if confronted with a jammed or restricted rudder system, according to the safety board. However, the independent safety agency raised concerns that such force during landing could lead to unintended rudder movements, potentially causing the pilot to lose control or the aircraft to veer off the runway.

The safety board recommended that Boeing develop alternative procedures for pilots in such situations and inform crews about the risk of actuator jams because of moisture and freezing.

[Steel Shank 9,565]

Well, dang, I certainly didn't see this coming.

[Brian Fantana 6,877]

Feeling great about my decision to only fly on Airbus jets.

[Captainant 28,620]

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

After the incident, the board tested a rudder control component known as the rollout guidance actuator from the aircraft and found that the functionality of the part, produced by Collins Aerospace, was “significantly compromised.” The company determined that a sealed bearing was improperly assembled during production, leaving it susceptible to moisture, which can freeze and impede the rudder system’s movements.

“Collins notified Boeing that more than 353 actuators that Collins had delivered to Boeing since February 2017 were affected by this condition,” the safety board said in a statement.

damn those pilots poor airmanship for forcing Boeing to cut these procurement corners!

[InkaUtexas 27,047]

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Feeling great about my decision to only fly on Airbus jets.

Just got back on a 4 leg trip. 1 was an Airbus, the other 3, yep, Max 8's. I did not tell my wife about my thoughts on those flights.

[Captainant 28,620]

Lulz boeing is borrowing billions trying to break their workers strike, rather than just paying them more. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/15/investing/boeing-cash-crisis/index.html

In a regulatory filing early Tuesday, the company announced plans to borrow $10 billion from a consortium of banks. It also separately announced plans to raise $25 billion by selling stock and debt.

It sure would be nice if they had tens of billions laying around to pay their workers instead of fight them. They were too busy spending more than seventeen billion dollars on dividends (forty-two per cent of its profits) and an additional forty-three billion dollars on buybacks (a hundred and four per cent of its profits) between 2013 and 2019. These fucking corporate welfare queens. It's too bad that they're not shamed more by so-called business leaders

[royiv 9,916]

20 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Lulz boeing is borrowing billions trying to break their workers strike, rather than just paying them more. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/15/investing/boeing-cash-crisis/index.html

In a regulatory filing early Tuesday, the company announced plans to borrow $10 billion from a consortium of banks. It also separately announced plans to raise $25 billion by selling stock and debt.

It sure would be nice if they had tens of billions laying around to pay their workers instead of fight them. They were too busy spending more than seventeen billion dollars on dividends (forty-two per cent of its profits) and an additional forty-three billion dollars on buybacks (a hundred and four per cent of its profits) between 2013 and 2019. These fucking corporate welfare queens. It's too bad that they're not shamed more by so-called business leaders

Boeing seems intent on stepping on its own dick at every turn. The CEOs of some of their largest customers, Emirates, United and Lufthansa, in particular, are publicly expressing their dissatisfaction with the continued delays in aircraft certifications and deliveries. It seems like they don’t give a shit about their customers and are banking on the fact that Airbus can’t build planes fast enough to keep up with demand in order to maintain their order book. It’s wild to see such an enormous icon of American ingenuity and innovation fall from grace.

[Captainant 28,620]

5 minutes ago, royiv said:

It seems like they don’t give a shit about their customers and are banking on the fact that Airbus can’t build planes fast enough to keep up with demand in order to maintain their order book. It’s wild to see such an enormous icon of American ingenuity and innovation fall from grace.

I mean, is it? Boeing recognizes its monopoly status as an aircraft manufacturer, and so they don't have to give a fuck. Who cares if everything is shittier? The shareholders were able to loot for the better part of a decade. 

Innovation and actual production don't make a shit when you can buy back $43,000,000,000. The buyback has a WAY bigger financial impact for shareholders than actually making anything of value. Why wouldn't the bean counters get that low hanging fruit before doing the horror of spending their own money on innovation? The shareholders MUST receive profits! 

Edited October 15 by Captainant

[High Plains Drifter 11,195]

On 6/13/2024 at 9:27 AM, Hagbard Celine said:

7max dutch roll

not great bob

https://avherald.com/h?article=519ce679&opt=0

 

[Hagbard Celine 11,307]

6 hours ago, Captainant said:

Lulz boeing is borrowing billions trying to break their workers strike, rather than just paying them more. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/15/investing/boeing-cash-crisis/index.html

In a regulatory filing early Tuesday, the company announced plans to borrow $10 billion from a consortium of banks. It also separately announced plans to raise $25 billion by selling stock and debt.

It sure would be nice if they had tens of billions laying around to pay their workers instead of fight them. They were too busy spending more than seventeen billion dollars on dividends (forty-two per cent of its profits) and an additional forty-three billion dollars on buybacks (a hundred and four per cent of its profits) between 2013 and 2019. These fucking corporate welfare queens. It's too bad that they're not shamed more by so-called business leaders

spineless elected leaders

captured

[Chopper 17,459]

On 8/20/2024 at 4:08 PM, Paper_jam said:

Boeing management:  sounds like we can cut some costs and just use one link then

 

https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/22/24277073/intelsat-33e-boeing-satellite-fell-apart-space

[Hermanator 7,718]

On 10/15/2024 at 9:44 AM, Captainant said:

I mean, is it? Boeing recognizes its monopoly status as an aircraft manufacturer, and so they don't have to give a fuck. Who cares if everything is shittier? The shareholders were able to loot for the better part of a decade. 

Innovation and actual production don't make a shit when you can buy back $43,000,000,000. The buyback has a WAY bigger financial impact for shareholders than actually making anything of value. Why wouldn't the bean counters get that low hanging fruit before doing the horror of spending their own money on innovation? The shareholders MUST receive profits! 

 

On 10/15/2024 at 3:09 PM, Hagbard Celine said:

spineless elected leaders

captured

 

[Captainant 28,620]

60 MInutes with a long segment on the """poor airmanship""" that's been plauging Boeing's airframes