Mass College Admission Cheating Scandal

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Okay, so, who we are-- what we do is we help the wealthiest families in the U.S. get their kids into school …. Every year there are-- is a group of families, especially where I am right now in the Bay Area, Palo Alto, I just flew in. That they want guarantees, they want this thing done. They don’t want to be messing around with this thing. And so they want in at certain schools. So I did 761 what I would call, “side doors.” There is a front door which means you get in on your own. The back door is through institutional advancement, which is ten times as much money. And I’ve created this side door in. Because the back door, when you go through institutional advancement, as you know, everybody’s got a friend of a friend, who knows somebody who knows somebody but there’s no guarantee, they’re just gonna give you a second look. My families want a guarantee. So, if you said to me ‘here’s our grades, here’s our scores, here’s our ability, and we want to go to X school’ and you give me one or two schools, and then I’ll go after those schools and try to get a guarantee done. So that, by the time, the summer of her senior year, before her senior year, hopefully we can have this thing done, so that in the fall, before December 15th, you already knows she’s in. Done. And you make a financial commitment. It depends on what school you want, may determine how much that actually is. But that’s kind of how the the side and back door work

 

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

If the current students aren't indicted, do they get kicked out of school?  I bet at the private schools at least the answer is yes.

[Sbbruin 21888]

1 hour ago, Upgrayedd said:

Well fuck her then

I'd like to.

[Bama Chick 28596]

I hope someone is digging into the rest of these shitbag parents because it kind of sucks that Lynette and Aunt Becky are getting all the heat.

But it’s fucking hilarious.

[Hank Scorpio 17731]

11 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

just downloaded the document to read later. . .

 

From page 13

Okay, so, who we are-- what we do is we help the wealthiest families in the U.S. get their kids into school …. Every year there are-- is a group of families, especially where I am right now in the Bay Area, Palo Alto, I just flew in. That they want guarantees, they want this thing done. They don’t want to be messing around with this thing. And so they want in at certain schools. So I did 761 what I would call, “side doors.” There is a front door which means you get in on your own. The back door is through institutional advancement, which is ten times as much money. And I’ve created this side door in. Because the back door, when you go through institutional advancement, as you know, everybody’s got a friend of a friend, who knows somebody who knows somebody but there’s no guarantee, they’re just gonna give you a second look. My families want a guarantee. So, if you said to me ‘here’s our grades, here’s our scores, here’s our ability, and we want to go to X school’ and you give me one or two schools, and then I’ll go after those schools and try to get a guarantee done. So that, by the time, the summer of her senior year, before her senior year, hopefully we can have this thing done, so that in the fall, before December 15th, you already knows she’s in. Done. And you make a financial commitment. It depends on what school you want, may determine how much that actually is. But that’s kind of how the the side and back door work

 

You have to read it in the Ray Liotta voice from Goodfellas. 

Edited March 12, 2019 by Hank Scorpio

[misslaw 8]

42 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Sounds like he found the right lawyer.

Dan Cogell is one heck of a lawyer. 

[Machinator 32099]

 

[SquishMitten 10435]

26 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

look at the indictment or Hayden's post.  all these entities -- public and private -- get federal funds.  tax isn't really the issue.  it is fraudy fraud fraud of various stripes.  

You don’t think tax evasion will come up? Particularly with these coaches receiving tens of millions and not declaring that income, but also any parents who attempted to write them off as donations (I haven’t seen anything on that, but it was an interesting point someone brought up)? 

[MAUFRAIS 6634]

 

Don’t know that I’ve ever seen someone quote themself like that.

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6 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

You don’t think tax evasion will come up? Particularly with these coaches receiving tens of millions and not declaring that income, but also any parents who attempted to write them off as donations (I haven’t seen anything on that, but it was an interesting point someone brought up)? 

Specifically said IRS agents were involved in the operation at the feds press conference. Tax evasion is part of it. 

[Sbbruin 21888]

33 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

To be fair, "You're fucked" is a two word verdict.

[CooterBrown 18029]

The best part of the Elisabeth Kimmel bit is that she looks like this:

And created a fake pole vaulting profile for her son, including using this photo of an apparently African-America kid:

Looks like a high school kid at the state meet. Those are the same burnt orange custom color standards as at Mike A Myers.

[MissingInAction 25187]

7 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

No shit.  I mean, I get $6 million to get into UCLA, but Texas is on that list.  

Avatar checks out.

[BevoFlyer 15]

1 hour ago, Katfid54 said:

The best part of the Elisabeth Kimmel bit is that she looks like this:

And created a fake pole vaulting profile for her son, including using this photo of an apparently African-America kid:

She's welcome to vault on my pole for her kid's admission to ACC. 

[PantsTent 2002]

39 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

I hope someone is digging into the rest of these shitbag parents because it kind of sucks that Lynette and Aunt Becky are getting all the heat.

But it’s fucking hilarious.
 

I think the terrible production value makes it even funnier.

[J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. 1084]

4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If true, he ain't good people. Maybe he seems like a cool guy and is willing to help you out in a pinch, but he took bribes to let non-tennis players on the tennis team. And it wasn't just helping out a friend to get their kid into UT. He was meeting people in parking lots to accept $60K in cash.

Seems a bit harmless until you realize that someone else was almost assuredly not admitted to UT because of him. I don't think much of people that have zero integrity.

 

Edited March 12, 2019 by J.R. Juniors Junior Jr.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21921]

Seems like the FBI devoted a ton of assets to this, makes me wonder how long it will be before they seize all of the university campuses under asset forfeiture.

[TwiceHorn 31536]

3 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Seems like the FBI devoted a ton of assets to this, makes me wonder how long it will be before they seize all of the university campuses under asset forfeiture.

As much fun as this is, it does kind of beg for a cost-benefit analysis, and also a "don't they have something better to do"?

[Deej 76920]

49 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

You have to read it in the Ray Liotta voice from Goodfellas. 

I prefer Ray Liotta from the Chantix ad.

[freyguy 4289]

How many other universities are now reviewing all prior athlete admittants to their respective schools?

Will be interesting to see how many other college coaches quietly go away over the next 3-6 months.

[TheStoicPaisano 9939]

3 hours ago, C-Man said:

Jorge Salcedo-Former head coach of men’s soccer at UCLA

[Johnny Sack 8397]

6 hours ago, BrazilHorn said:

What’s nuts is aunt Becky paid 500k for her daughters to get to usc. It’s a private school. 

I bet had she spoken to dean of admissions offered a 500k check she could have had them admitted that route via legal “bribery”

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 hours ago, bigup2dahorns said:

 

Yeah Dan, the feds have a real shitty conviction rate on indictments.

[Beau Vine 54429]

1 hour ago, pops said:

Even more so when considering these smaller sports probably don’t max out their scholarship numbers anyway and no other kid is getting screwed out of a spot.

Are you kidding?  If it's a women's sport, they are maxing their scholarships.  Texas basically balances Title IX by giving out something like 40 women's rowing scholarships.  I had a girl in my class one year at UT who was on the rowing team.  She told me she was on a full athletic scholarship, and she had never been on a rowing team in high school.  

[Beau Vine 54429]

35 minutes ago, freyguy said:

How many other universities are now reviewing all prior athlete admittants to their respective schools?

Will be interesting to see how many other college coaches quietly go away over the next 3-6 months.

And these are all sports where there's very little coaching turnover, so it's going to be really obvious.

[Beau Vine 54429]

1 hour ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

 

He should win some sort of award for this tweet.

[Spankytoes 1743]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

It takes eight agents to arrest a tennis coach?

Sounds like it was 40 acres serving - Love

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

40 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

As much fun as this is, it does kind of beg for a cost-benefit analysis, and also a "don't they have something better to do"?

There’s not a lot of other law enforcement mechanisms that could handle this type of investigation.  Additionally, this is the kind of white collarish/system rigging corruption the FBI was originally created to investigate. I bet the FBI guys love these type of cases. 

There’s like 35,000 FBI personnel. They can’t all be tracking terrorists, spies, bank robbers, and the mafia.

[TwiceHorn 31536]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

There’s not a lot of other law enforcement mechanisms that could handle this type of investigation.  Additionally, this is the kind of white collarish/system rigging corruption the FBI was originally created to investigate. I bet the FBI guys love these type of cases. 

There’s like 35,000 FBI personnel. They can’t all be tracking terrorists, spies, bank robbers, and the mafia.

For once, I'm not bitching about their jurisdiction.  I agree that only the FBI could/should handle this.  But you have 36 parental defendants, most of whom are couples, so you're looking at something like 18-20 kids that benefited from this fraud.  Out of how many college applicants/freshmen?

Maybe we should be grateful that they aren't entrapping terrorists or helping local cops make HUMAN TRAFFICKING!!!11!!! arrests.

Edited March 12, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[freyguy 4289]

18-20 more deserving kids didn't get into those colleges because of what those parents did.

[TwiceHorn 31536]

Just now, freyguy said:

18-20 more deserving kids didn't get into those colleges because of what those parents did.

Very possibly true, but not a burning national issue.

[TwiceHorn 31536]

Just now, BurntEyes said:

We largely agree, but my instincts tell me if the FBI got involved we are probably  only  seeing the tip of the iceberg. Which is scary since a Longhorn coach was involved.

This is a grave possibility, yes.  And, it does kind of turn a spotlight on "legacy admissions" and similar practices that have a much larger effect than a couple dozen kids every couple of years.

[freyguy 4289]

1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

I don't think this is the hill you want to pick for this one.

I already climbed your mom, so I needed something easier this time around.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

Frankly, I haven’t found anything easier. 

[Rimbo 26109]

https://entertainment.theonion.com/usc-insists-lori-loughlin-s-daughter-was-admitted-solel-1833246244

USC Insists Lori Loughlin’s Daughter Was Admitted Solely Based On Socioeconomic Background

LOS ANGELES—Following revelations about the actress’s alleged involvement in a college bribery scandal, University of Southern California officials told reporters Tuesday that Lori Loughlin’s daughter was admitted solely based on her socioeconomic background. “We certainly condemn bribery, but we would also like to acknowledge that USC student Olivia Jade earned her way here just like every other freshman: By having lucked into growing up in the right zip code,” said spokesperson Sara McLaren, explaining that the 19-year-old Bel Air native demonstrated that she was Trojan material by listing an elite all-girls private school with a nearly $40,000-per-year tuition on her Common Application. “Since our founding in 1880, applicants have been assessed purely on strength of social class, and Olivia’s name jumped right off the page. From extracurriculars that are exclusive to the top 1 percent, to college prep classes exclusive to the top 1 percent, to recommendation letters from other members of the top 1 percent, Olivia gained entrance to USC on her economic merit and her economic merit alone.” McLaren added that the YouTube personality also appealed to admissions officers by offering a diversity in perspective to her freshman class with her experiences of growing up a celebrity.

Edited March 13, 2019 by Rimbo

[cmontexas 3282]

FBI is all about optics. They've taken their share of Ls in the public eye recently so this a nice story we can all enjoy about them busting rich assholes.

Rather this than burning down buildings full of children

[Sandman 3412]

22 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Are you kidding?  If it's a women's sport, they are maxing their scholarships.  Texas basically balances Title IX by giving out something like 40 women's rowing scholarships.  I had a girl in my class one year at UT who was on the rowing team.  She told me she was on a full athletic scholarship, and she had never been on a rowing team in high school.  

Not to mention that some of the smaller sports don't even get full schollys for each kid. Wrestling, for example, only gets 9.9 scholarships to divide amongst the whole team. Pretty sure baseball is similar.

[Macanudo 13012]

Baseball gets something 12 or 13.   less than "half" a team.

[tantric superman 4667]

4 hours ago, Foosters said:

Seeing a lot of these takes.  I guess this is why we're usually pretty soft on white collar criminals. I mean, after all, who gives a fuck. Doesn't affect me and mine.

Yep.  I give a huge fuck, because this is just an example in our tolerance of the swamp. 

Fuck, people are assholes. 

[TwiceHorn 31536]

1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

Yep.  I give a huge fuck, because this is just an example in our tolerance of the swamp. 

Fuck, people are assholes. 

No one says we should tolerate it, but is it really necessary to apply 300 federal agents and how many dollars to pursue it?  And don't forget eight feebs to arrest the fucking tennis coach at 6 AM.

[Brisketexan 105336]

No one says we should tolerate it, but is it really necessary to apply 300 federal agents and how many dollars to pursue it?  And don't forget eight feebs to arrest the fucking tennis coach at 6 AM.

Well, in fairness, that last part was just for fun.

[Lhorn 4963]

31 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

https://entertainment.theonion.com/usc-insists-lori-loughlin-s-daughter-was-admitted-solel-1833246244

USC Insists Lori Loughlin’s Daughter Was Admitted Solely Based On Socioeconomic Background

LOS ANGELES—Following revelations about the actress’s alleged involvement in a college bribery scandal, University of Southern California officials told reporters Tuesday that Lori Loughlin’s daughter was admitted solely based on her socioeconomic background. “We certainly condemn bribery, but we would also like to acknowledge that USC student Olivia Jade earned her way here just like every other freshman: By having lucked into growing up in the right zip code,” said spokesperson Sara McLaren, explaining that the 19-year-old Bel Air native demonstrated that she was Trojan material by listing an elite all-girls private school with a nearly $40,000-per-year tuition on her Common Application. “Since our founding in 1880, applicants have been assessed purely on strength of social class, and Olivia’s name jumped right off the page. From extracurriculars that are exclusive to the top 1 percent, to college prep classes exclusive to the top 1 percent, to recommendation letters from other members of the top 1 percent, Olivia gained entrance to USC on her economic merit and her economic merit alone.” McLaren added that the YouTube personality also appealed to admissions officers by offering a diversity in perspective to her freshman class with her experiences of growing up a celebrity.

What does it mean “economic merit?”  Certainly not that she’s poor.  Are they saying she got in, in part because she’s rich?

also if she so academically qualified why was mom trying so desperately to have her NOT end up at ASU?

Edited March 13, 2019 by Lhorn

[TexasMan 10987]

 

[TwiceHorn 31536]

3 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

What does it mean “economic merit?”  Certainly not that she’s poor.  Are they saying she got in, in part because she’s rich?

also if she so academically qualified why was mom trying so desperately to have her NOT end up at ASU?

https://entertainment.theonion.com/usc-insists-lori-loughlin-s-daughter-was-admitted-solel-1833246244

But she is an INFLUENCER!!!!11!!!!!

[hornian 5223]

7 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

What does it mean “economic merit?”  Certainly not that she’s poor.  Are they saying she got in, in part because she’s rich?

also if she so academically qualified why was mom trying so desperately to have her NOT go to ASU?

It’s from the Onion. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Why didnt Aunt Becky justt sleep with someone in admissions, no paper trail that way?

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20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, in fairness, that last part was just for fun.

I mean, have you had his wife's huevos rancheros?

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

Are you kidding?  If it's a women's sport, they are maxing their scholarships.  Texas basically balances Title IX by giving out something like 40 women's rowing scholarships.  I had a girl in my class one year at UT who was on the rowing team.  She told me she was on a full athletic scholarship, and she had never been on a rowing team in high school.  

Not sure how I got quoted for that, but yeah... There is no way there are any women's sports leaving scholarships on the table. 

[Sbbruin 21888]

https://entertainment.theonion.com/usc-insists-lori-loughlin-s-daughter-was-admitted-solel-1833246244

USC Insists Lori Loughlin’s Daughter Was Admitted Solely Based On Socioeconomic Background

LOS ANGELES—Following revelations about the actress’s alleged involvement in a college bribery scandal, University of Southern California officials told reporters Tuesday that Lori Loughlin’s daughter was admitted solely based on her socioeconomic background. “We certainly condemn bribery, but we would also like to acknowledge that USC student Olivia Jade earned her way here just like every other freshman: By having lucked into growing up in the right zip code,” said spokesperson Sara McLaren, explaining that the 19-year-old Bel Air native demonstrated that she was Trojan material by listing an elite all-girls private school with a nearly $40,000-per-year tuition on her Common Application. “Since our founding in 1880, applicants have been assessed purely on strength of social class, and Olivia’s name jumped right off the page. From extracurriculars that are exclusive to the top 1 percent, to college prep classes exclusive to the top 1 percent, to recommendation letters from other members of the top 1 percent, Olivia gained entrance to USC on her economic merit and her economic merit alone.” McLaren added that the YouTube personality also appealed to admissions officers by offering a diversity in perspective to her freshman class with her experiences of growing up a celebrity.

I know this is an Onion article, but it's pretty damn spot on when it comes to SC

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

22 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

apply 300 federal agents 

 

Mild semantics here but that’s how many agents were deployed for the simultaneous nationwide round up.  The number of agents assigned to the investigation was probably much less.  But even if it was 300 agents, that’s still less than 1% of the FBI.