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27 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

Surprised this didn't come out in the Senate Race. Cruz would have had a field day. It would all be bullshit, but he would anyway.

We're going to have to cut people some slack for shit they said and did when they were 16 or else we can never have another male as President. At least not one under 50. 

It's been 4 months or so since the election, and Beto has been at the forefront of Dem 2020 thought, so that's 4 months of investigative reporting all waiting to be released the moment Beto came back from Route 66. I would imagine the CDC people were not eager for this to hurt Beto's chances to beat Cruz, but as we're seeing from all corners of the left/liberal spectrum, now that Beto is running against other Dems the love isn't the same.

28 minutes ago, F250 said:

That was an even dumber thing to apologize for, it was an off the cuff joke and everyone knows it.

Yes. If his first instinct is to treat bad faith attacks as if they were given in good faith he's going to be eaten alive by Republicans who come to him in bad faith and rely on the liberal's natural politeness and desire to work together.

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Bama Chick
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Y’all. I’m totally exhausted today but I’m still so excited. Showed up ready to work at 6:00 AM on a Saturday and went balls to the wall till 5:00 PM. Met some awesome Bama Beto folks, met some awe

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Would love to watch Beto pivot and fully go scorched Earth on the GOP, Trump, and the NRA. If you’re gonna go down, go down swinging for the slain in El Paso.

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Same here. 

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There is a big difference between having no shame and issuing multiple unnecessary apologies for various minor social infractions. He will never survive the general election by apologizing over frivolous stuff. The Republicans will hammer away at that. The way I see it, if you really did something bad then step down, your apology is worthless.

Anyways, part of Beto's problem is he isn't a solutions guy but just a talker. He can't really change the subject by focusing on any policy proposals. The dude desperately needs some ideas other than "hope and change".

 

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9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

If the criticisms out of the gate are any indication, he's going to need to shore up some policy positions sooner rather than later. This isn't anything like running for senate.

The Profound Emptiness of Beto O'Rourke

Beto 2020 Has No Reason To Exist

Dear Beto, here are some policy positions:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Seriously, it’s a great template:

check out immigration reform—

Immigration reform

As president, she will work to fix our broken immigration system and stay true to our fundamental American values: that we are a nation of immigrants, and we treat those who come to our country with dignity and respect—and that we embrace immigrants, not denigrate them.

As president:

  • Introduce comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary will introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship within her first 100 days in office. It will treat every person with dignity, fix the family visa backlog, uphold the rule of law, protect our borders and national security, and bring millions of hardworking people into the formal economy.
  • End the three- and 10-year bars. The three- and 10-year bars force families—especially those whose members have different citizenship or immigration statuses—into a heartbreaking dilemma: remain in the shadows, or pursue a green card by leaving the country and loved ones behind.
  • Defend President Obama’s executive actions—known as DACA and DAPA—against partisan attacks. The Supreme Court’s deadlocked decision on DAPA was a heartbreaking reminder of how high the stakes are in this election. Hillary believes DAPA is squarely within the president’s authority and won’t stop fighting until we see it through. The estimated 5 million people eligible for DAPA—including DREAMers and parents of Americans and lawful residents—should be protected under the executive actions.
  • Do everything possible under the law to protect families. If Congress keeps failing to act on comprehensive immigration reform, Hillary will enact a simple system for those with sympathetic cases—such as parents of DREAMers, those with a history of service and contribution to their communities, or those who experience extreme labor violations—to make their case and be eligible for deferred action.
  • Enforce immigration laws humanely. Immigration enforcement must be humane, targeted, and effective. Hillary will focus resources on detaining and deporting those individuals who pose a violent threat to public safety, and ensure refugees who seek asylum in the U.S. have a fair chance to tell their stories.
  • End family detention and close private immigration detention centers. Hillary will end family detention for parents and children who arrive at our border in desperate situations and close private immigrant detention centers.
  • Expand access to affordable health care to all families. We should let families—regardless of immigration status—buy into the Affordable Care Act exchanges. Families who want to purchase health insurance should be able to do so.
  • Promote naturalization. Hillary will work to expand fee waivers to alleviate naturalization costs, increase access to language programs to encourage English proficiency, and increase outreach and education to help more people navigate the process.
  • Support immigrant integration. Hillary will create a national Office of Immigrant Affairs, support affordable integration services through $15 million in new grant funding for community navigators and similar organizations, and significantly increase federal resources for adult English language education and citizenship education.
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The Dem attacks on Beto are turning me off of the party for good. I just won't vote

Yeah...how dare a party subject s candidate to scrutiny and weed out those with material weaknesses. They should instead go full-on cult of personality and nominate a dem trump.

If Beto has the goods to withstand scrutiny, he’ll win. If not, he won’t. I like him. But he has flaws. How he deals with them tells us whether he’s president material or not.
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7 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Barack Obama was an inspiring personal story, president of the Harvard Law Review, a Senator, and oh yeah, the first candidate with a realistic chance of becoming the nation’s first black President, which is something to which people attached a huge amount of symbolic meaning.

Beto was a ne’er do well white failed musician from an established family with local power, who married into an obscenely rich family and then decided politics would be his idle rich way to spend time.  Nothing about his becoming President would be an emotional symbolic moment for the country or anything particularly inspiring on a personal story level.

I would be shocked if Beto can pull off the “let’s have a conversation and bring people together” non-answer strategy with anywhere near the same effectiveness as Obama.  

If Beto were running against anyone other than Ted Cruz - say he was running for Senate against Cornyn or some random non-inflammatory Senator from another state - would people have ever cared about him at all? 

Yeah, I think Beto's backstory of slacker white guy who married up and decided to play politics because he couldn't really decide on anything else is going to be an easy target.

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33 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yeah, I think Beto's backstory of slacker white guy who married up and decided to play politics because his rich father-in-law needed help pushing through a plan to destroy the homes of the the dirty, lazy poor to build hip residential space for Matthew McConaughey and Penelope Cruz is going to be an easy target.

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Are there votes?

Yup.

I posted this article earlier, but this thread's movin' fast.

Amid pressure, O’Rourke ultimately did begin recusing himself on votes relating to the city’s authority to carry out the plan, a few months into the fight. The reason he gave for doing so in dozens of affidavits was not Sanders’s involvement but his wife’s work for a charter school in the development footprint, which seems to be far less relevant. And he didn’t recuse himself on a critical vote in 2008, instead providing the deciding margin to kill a measure limiting the city’s ability to use eminent domain in the affected neighborhoods.

In Beto's first run for office, in 2005 for El Paso city council, downtown development was a central plank of his platform and his campaign was funded by Republicans.

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22 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Yup.

I posted this article earlier, but this thread's movin' fast.

Amid pressure, O’Rourke ultimately did begin recusing himself on votes relating to the city’s authority to carry out the plan, a few months into the fight. The reason he gave for doing so in dozens of affidavits was not Sanders’s involvement but his wife’s work for a charter school in the development footprint, which seems to be far less relevant. And he didn’t recuse himself on a critical vote in 2008, instead providing the deciding margin to kill a measure limiting the city’s ability to use eminent domain in the affected neighborhoods.

In Beto's first run for office, in 2005 for El Paso city council, downtown development was a central plank of his platform and his campaign was funded by Republicans.

This is going to be a big problem for him during a progressive primary.

Kicking out the poor so his father in law can make money is a really bad look.

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

If he's the best Democrats can throw out there, Trump is going to get re-elected.

Lol gonna start calling you Biden Bro.

Your schtick is obvious. “I’m afraid this candidate is going to prevent my candidate from winning so I will tear him down since I can’t persuade people to my guy.” 

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

This is what Beto does well. It's incredibly powerful in person and amplifies through social media, and if he catches on like he did in Texas, all the national-level scrutiny and skepticism will fade into the background. All that matters now is connecting with actual voters and supporters.

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Would definitely be wild if press with boom mics showed up randomly to Beto dropping the tailgate on a pickup. But it was a planned event, not impromptu. (It is a canvassing kickoff. I got an e-mail inviting me to attend, which is weird because I'm not Iowan.)

If he has that many people ready to canvas, that's VERY good for him.

You are 100% spot-on about the visual messaging. It's going to be interesting to see how it moves. Hiring Annie Leibovitz to do all your pre-launch/launch photography is smart.

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The tweet said it was an impromptu speech on the way to the canvassing event but it could be wrong. I just saved the picture because it was pretty and not the tweet.


And he just launched two days ago and the media is up his butt like none of the other candidates right now so he probably has boom mics around him when he takes a shit at this point.

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7 hours ago, David Dennison said:

If he's the best Democrats can throw out there, Trump is going to get re-elected.

But why tear him down now?  Maybe he's not the guy to beat Trump but fuck, it's March 2019.    You're going to have to coalesce behind someone on the D side to take Trump down.    Maybe Beto or Biden aren't your personal preference but do you want to beat Trump or only support the singular candidate that you like?   At this point, I'm at a place where ANYONE is better than Trump.     I like a few people a lot.    I like  couple of them a little.   But I'd get behind a most of them over more of the current moron.

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Wait...is the fact that a teenage Beto wrote this, umm...”poem” supposed to make me DISLIKE him? Tucker and the Daily Caller think so. But...here’s the thing...they’re fucking stupid.

 

“I need a butt-shine,

Right now

You are holy,

Oh, sacred Cow

I thirst for you,

Provide Milk.

Buff my balls,

Love the Cow,

Good fortune for those that do.

Love me, breathe my feet,

The Cow has risen.

Wax my ass,

Scrub my balls.

The Cow has risen,

Provide Milk.”

 

That’s...fucking awesome. Holy shit. And love it. I mean, it’s ridiculous, juvenile bullshit. You know, exactly what every one of us laughed our asses off at at that age.

 

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It's good to attack Beto now right away and see if he is tough enough to survive because he needs that if he makes it to Trump.  He should feel it is a good sign that he is under this much scrutiny right away as it is reasonable to conclude that he a is top tier candidate in the eyes of many people.  How many people are going to come hard at say Booker or Klobuchar like this?   I believe he is also being tested under the radar for a possible VP slot I feel for another candidate or two should they win so I feel even more so you want to vet him hard and often.     

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24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait...is the fact that a teenage Beto wrote this, umm...”poem” supposed to make me DISLIKE him? Tucker and the Daily Caller think so. But...here’s the thing...they’re fucking stupid.

 

“I need a butt-shine,

Right now

You are holy,

Oh, sacred Cow

I thirst for you,

Provide Milk.

Buff my balls,

Love the Cow,

Good fortune for those that do.

Love me, breathe my feet,

The Cow has risen.

Wax my ass,

Scrub my balls.

The Cow has risen,

Provide Milk.”

 

That’s...fucking awesome. Holy shit. And love it. I mean, it’s ridiculous, juvenile bullshit. You know, exactly what every one of us laughed our asses off at at that age.

 

Psychedelic Warlord's writings aren't any weirder than the antics of Aqua Buddha's acolytes and probably way more normal than the some of the shit done by the Skull and Bones members.

 

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31 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait...is the fact that a teenage Beto wrote this, umm...”poem” supposed to make me DISLIKE him? Tucker and the Daily Caller think so. But...here’s the thing...they’re fucking stupid.

 

“I need a butt-shine,

Right now

You are holy,

Oh, sacred Cow

I thirst for you,

Provide Milk.

Buff my balls,

Love the Cow,

Good fortune for those that do.

Love me, breathe my feet,

The Cow has risen.

Wax my ass,

Scrub my balls.

The Cow has risen,

Provide Milk.”

 

That’s...fucking awesome. Holy shit. And love it. I mean, it’s ridiculous, juvenile bullshit. You know, exactly what every one of us laughed our asses off at at that age.

 

I'm 57 and I laughed out loud at it. It's allsome.

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24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait...is the fact that a teenage Beto wrote this, umm...”poem” supposed to make me DISLIKE him? Tucker and the Daily Caller think so. But...here’s the thing...they’re fucking stupid.

 

“I need a butt-shine,

Right now

You are holy,

Oh, sacred Cow

I thirst for you,

Provide Milk.

Buff my balls,

Love the Cow,

Good fortune for those that do.

Love me, breathe my feet,

The Cow has risen.

Wax my ass,

Scrub my balls.

The Cow has risen,

Provide Milk.”

 

That’s...fucking awesome. Holy shit. And love it. I mean, it’s ridiculous, juvenile bullshit. You know, exactly what every one of us laughed our asses off at at that age.

 

Yep.

Just got done watching the bad news bears circa ‘76. I’m a year younger than Beto. Born in 73. 11 year olds drinking beer, talking about getting on the pill, getting slapped in the face by adults for losing a baseball game, and so on. 

Can someone explain to me how we were all able to somehow survive those times?  Forget it. I know the answer. And it’s “fuck it.”

And after explaining that one, can someone else explain to me how we’re supposed to be able to run for political office with somehow not having skeletons in the closet from our teenage years?

Throw all the stones at Beto you want. Because unless he’s rawdogged a porn star to celebrate the birth of his child, it don’t mean a fuck anyway. 

I mean it’s just damn impossible. 

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Wait...is the fact that a teenage Beto wrote this, umm...”poem” supposed to make me DISLIKE him? Tucker and the Daily Caller think so. But...here’s the thing...they’re fucking stupid.
 
“I need a butt-shine,
Right now
You are holy,
Oh, sacred Cow
I thirst for you,
Provide Milk.
Buff my balls,
Love the Cow,
Good fortune for those that do.
Love me, breathe my feet,
The Cow has risen.
Wax my ass,
Scrub my balls.
The Cow has risen,
Provide Milk.”
 
That’s...fucking awesome. Holy shit. And love it. I mean, it’s ridiculous, juvenile bullshit. You know, exactly what every one of us laughed our asses off at at that age.
 

I would pay anything to see Beto, or any candidate really, tell Trump "buff my balls" on the debate stage.

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Just read the Beto poem to my wife (tough to get through without laughing). I laid the predicate of “imagine your 16 yr old son writing this.”

I read it. We both cracked up. And she said “that’s peak goofy teenage boy.”

Seriously. The GOP is the least humorous organization on the planet.

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14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

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Warmed-over Obama in full effect with, "If you like your plan you can keep it." and "Perfect be the enemy of good".

We are at a 4-year high in uninsured rates.

Earlier this week, the Gallup National Health and Well-Being Index reported that the percentage of adults without health insurance reached 13.7 percent by the close of 2018.

This shit is embarrassing.

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10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The hacker background is cool AF. 

Back in those days hacking was like exploring the frontiers of cyberspace.  

It was the frontier up until all of the AOL migrants started showing up with their unlimited access. Then it turned into the wild west with all of them being easy prey. I believe that it was Napster that signalled a major cultural shift. Once any retard was capable of engaging in piracy it was time for the media barons to lobby for law and order and it's been down hill ever since.

 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait...is the fact that a teenage Beto wrote this, umm...”poem” supposed to make me DISLIKE him? Tucker and the Daily Caller think so. But...here’s the thing...they’re fucking stupid.

 

“I need a butt-shine,

Right now

You are holy,

Oh, sacred Cow

I thirst for you,

Provide Milk.

Buff my balls,

Love the Cow,

Good fortune for those that do.

Love me, breathe my feet,

The Cow has risen.

Wax my ass,

Scrub my balls.

The Cow has risen,

Provide Milk.”

 

That’s...fucking awesome. Holy shit. And love it. I mean, it’s ridiculous, juvenile bullshit. You know, exactly what every one of us laughed our asses off at at that age.

 

They defend the guy accused of rape thirteen times who's on tape talking about grabbing women he's just met by the pussy.  But this poem written by a teenager, no, this is a BIG deal, not just locker room talk.

 

 

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If you're not familiar with the Medicare for America plan, here it is explained.

The four basic planks:

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1) The uninsured, people currently purchasing insurance in the Obamacare marketplaces, and Medicaid beneficiaries would automatically be enrolled in an improved Medicare program

2) Employers could continue to offer private insurance, so long as it meets certain federal standards. Companies could also elect to send their workers to the public program and pay a contribution toward their employees’ premiums. Likewise, workers could voluntarily leave their job’s insurance for the new public plan.

3) Participants would be required to pay premiums, on a sliding scale based on their income; people with lower incomes would pay no premium at all. Out-of-pocket costs would also be based on income and capped at $3,500 for an individual or $5,000 for a family.

4) Doctors would be paid Medicare rates, with an additional increase provided for primary care doctors and mental health services.
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Seems reasonable, right? Right?

Look at #3. There's your 10+% of uninsured Americans who can't/don't pay their premiums all losing health insurance. Oops.

Now, if you want to argue that healthcare is a luxury and not a right, that's fine. You're a monster, but you're an honest monster and I can respect you.

But if you think healthcare is a right of all Americans and you want to put a cash layout requirement on it... I honestly have no clue what you're thinking and I don't think you know what you're thinking either.

Let me see if I can follow Beto's story here...

While running for Senate, Beto captured the energy behind Bernie's M4A plan by saying he was for it. Either that was a cynical attempt to ride the wave or he genuinely believed in single-payer as a proposition. Then, according to Beto, "so many Americans" told him that they like their "employer-based insurance". SO MANY, in fact, that he changed his mind about the best way to provide healthcare as a right?

Without even going into the policy details, which we should, does anyone believe that happened?

Does anyone actually believe that Beto embraced single-payer and then was told by SO MANY Americans that they like their "employer-based insurance" that he rethought the whole ideological underpinning of American healthcare?

He went from opposing ACA to single-payer back to ACA?

But that's me questioning Beto's honesty and intelligence and stability and reliability in terms of ability to hold thoughts in his head and be a leader, back to policy...

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39 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Just got done watching the bad news bears circa ‘76. I’m a year younger than Beto. Born in 73. 11 year olds drinking beer, talking about getting on the pill, getting slapped in the face by adults for losing a baseball game, and so on.  

Yep. I have a picture of a 10 year old F250 standing around an ice chest with a few other kids where we are all holding Lone Star Beers at a Chili Cook Off. Most people in our generation had an unusual upbringing compared to the generation before and after us. Beto is one of us which is a big reason I like him.

 

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