Beto 2020

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And don't forget that we need to be more charitable via higher taxes and social programs, but to give on our own accord,  nah.

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8 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Pete was a nobody 6 weeks ago. I think his campaign strategy has been working out just fine so far. And you know he'll adapt as necessary.  He's been all over Iowa the last couple of days. 

Both he and Beto are working their asses off. 

 

Pete's strategy makes sense given where he was when he started and Beto's strategy also makes sense to me given where he was when he started.  I think Beto was right to go heavy on retail politics (definitely a strength of his) and especially build up money while straddling the line between grassroots appeal and also convincing bundlers and the power base of money that he's actually got substance and toughness.  I think Pete needed to get name recognition and get himself into a higher tier to be viable for long-term fundraising.  I think they have different short-term objectives for now, and I don't think either is doing the wrong thing very much.  

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A rich white guy with a hispanic nickname telling us how the man has kept the browns and blacks down.
Politics is crazy

Wait. Do you think that a wealthy white person is disqualified from and unable to recognize and discuss racial discrimination?

[alincoln 2,390]

 

8 hours ago, williemackgarza said:

A rich white guy with a hispanic nickname telling us how the man has kept the browns and blacks down.
Politics is crazy

Beto is Mexican dumbass

[williemackgarza 1,826]

  Beto is Mexican dumbass 

 

O sorry, hes a guero I guess, prolly a mexican dumbass from monterrey, NL.

Mi malo

 

[bad_teammate 13,482]

I posted about Bond earlier in the thread.

The article kind of hints that Bond left because of Beto's move to the center after his 2018 Senate campaign.

I thought that maybe she was being hired away by Biden, but I really don't see that. That would be strange.

[Bruh Man 3,160]

 

[horncyclist 1,391]

Could she have left because she wanted to be campaign manager and didn't get it?

[Guest Lobo]

13 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

I posted about Bond earlier in the thread.

The article kind of hints that Bond left because of Beto's move to the center after his 2018 Senate campaign.

I thought that maybe she was being hired away by Biden, but I really don't see that. That would be strange.

Robert O'Rourke, a Centrist White Guy?  Are you sure?  I've been told by expert Democrats that Beto is a Hispanic Liberal.  

A White Centrist has a really good chance of winning the general election, btw. 

[bad_teammate 13,482]

3 hours ago, horncyclist said:

Could she have left because she wanted to be campaign manager and didn't get it?
 

Something similar happened with bernie's staff earlier in this cycle. some of the media people and staff he had worked with in 2016 left the 2020 campaign after Bernie hired young and diverse blood co-chairs.

Different visions for how things should go is a normal and healthy way for this stuff to happen. I doubt Beto's campaign is in disarray or anything; these campaigns are big, complex, and difficult machines that drain the lives out of everyone involved. If you're not 100% on board with the vision then it's best to leave even if there aren't hard feelings.

Could really be as simple as the new campaign chair wanting to run things more traditionally, which is just not how Bond works. It might even be good for Beto's campaign, which hasn't been catching on as much as many expected (me included).

[bad_teammate 13,482]

New campaign manager. new Beto!

 

[horncyclist 1,391]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

New campaign manager. new Beto!

 

We can debate the appropriateness of these  sorts of fundraisers. It'd be nice if everyone could reject them. But didn't Beto do this in his Senate campaign too? I think troph hosted one for godsakes. And to my knowledge, he hasn't sworn them off in his run for president.

More likely than not, the democratic nominee will do a bunch of these. 

[henrygandorf 29,223]

hosts are asked to raised $25,000

nice grammar on that one, shane.

[Js1 86,961]

Ouch 

 

[Guest Lobo]

If I ever get financing to make my all-male political version of Coyote Ugly where men dance on top of bars and talk politics, Beto gets above the title billing.  

Edited April 24, 2019 by Lobo

[bad_teammate 13,482]

If I was Beto's campaign manager I might artifically age.

"Will you please go on television? PLEASE!?"

- "No, I'm going to fly under the radar and basically run a stealth campaign."

Seriously, this guy could be filling all of these places to the top. GO ON TV, BETO! GO ON TV! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE MEDIA IS DYING TO GIVE YOU FREE ADVERTISING!

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8 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

If I was Beto's campaign manager I might artifically age.

"Will you please go on television? PLEASE!?"

- "No, I'm going to fly under the radar and basically run a stealth campaign."

Seriously, this guy could be filling all of these places to the top. GO ON TV, BETO! GO ON TV! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE MEDIA IS DYING TO GIVE YOU FREE ADVERTISING!

35 people showed

He’s toast, but will spends millions to lose none the less. Time to step back and start trying to kiss the right ass to get a VP chance. 

[BradInATX 9,208]

Just now, ChickenSandwich said:

35 people showed

He’s toast, but will spends millions to lose none the less. Time to step back and start trying to kiss the right ass to get a VP chance. 

Why are you here?

 

[EuroHorn 3,287]

Maybe Robert will get the Irish vote..,?

[ChickenSandwich 9,921]

16 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Why are you here?

 

Which part is incorrect?

I’m sorry for your loss

Edited April 27, 2019 by ChickenSandwich

[BradInATX 9,208]

2 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Which part is incorrect?

I’m sorry for your loss

 

2 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Which part is incorrect?

I’m sorry for your loss

I'll ask again. Why are you here?

[NowThis 931]

On 4/16/2019 at 10:12 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

I find it hard to criticize Beto for his monetary charitable donations when he's worked his ass off the last two years engaging voters all over the state and now across the country.  He has his flaws, but his heart is in the right place.   

Not speaking to anyone specifically on here, but Ds need to lighten the fuck up. 

 

 

 

yeah agree here. Beto is not my #1, but he does a lot of humanitarian work, particularly bringing attention to the plight of desperate abused immigrants. 

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[NowThis 931]

20 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

If I was Beto's campaign manager I might artifically age.

"Will you please go on television? PLEASE!?"

- "No, I'm going to fly under the radar and basically run a stealth campaign."

Seriously, this guy could be filling all of these places to the top. GO ON TV, BETO! GO ON TV! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE MEDIA IS DYING TO GIVE YOU FREE ADVERTISING!

that pic is very disheartening as Beto is a really nice guy and deserves bettter but he never developed a vision, was very good at identifying some problems but had no details.  So that's on him, kind of shows some laziness in that.   Looks like the room is at least 1/3 media and only about 20 students. 

He's raised millions, so where will the money go after he drops out? 

[bad_teammate 13,482]

UNLV is a commuter school. It's going to be empty as hell on a Friday afternoon.

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12 hours ago, EuroHorn said:

Maybe Robert will get the Irish vote..,?

With a Norman-French name like "Robert"? He'll just cover the land in motte-and-bailey castles and blind us all for poaching.

[bad_teammate 13,482]

he will send his son Ulysses to squire under Margethe II and reform ancient alliances

 

BETO! BETO! BETO! BETO!

[Celery Man 21,076]

I don't think he's been killing it as of late but that UNLV thing is not a death knell.  The generous interpretation of his strategy as of late is probably something like flying low to hash out his policy stuff and let Pete and then Joe take some of the flak.  Or something.  There's a long time.  I'm not sure if I believe that they have their shit together, but we'll see.  Biden outraised him in his first 24 hours, which is a negative for him but also would seem to hammer home the point that Twitter is not representative.

[Guest Lobo]

Just remember O'Rourke, if you can't stand for something...stand on something. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19,408]

On 4/21/2019 at 12:15 PM, Lobo said:

Robert O'Rourke, a Centrist White Guy?  Are you sure?  I've been told by expert Democrats Republican trolls that Beto is a Hispanic Liberal.  

A White Centrist has a really good chance of winning the general election, btw. 

What you meant to say...

[Guest Lobo]

Oh no, I said what I meant.  Watching the GOP roll back what they said about him is comical.  But as with most things in life, the truth does actually lie somewhere in the middle.  

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1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Oh no, I said what I meant.  Watching the GOP roll back what they said about him is comical.  But as with most things in life, the truth does actually lie somewhere in the middle.  

No democrat said Beto was a hispanic liberal.

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Falling like a rock on predictit.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3633/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-presidential-nomination

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If he really plans on staying out of the media he’s done. I can’t imagine that’s his plan. I’ll admit I’m softening on him some now.

[bad_teammate 13,482]

Predictit is dumb. Andrew Yang is #5, which is an absolute joke.

Beto is stronger than his polling shows. He's playing a different game right now. Retail politics work and he knows it. He's got the time (no job) and he's got the energy to press flesh and slowly win hearts and minds in the early primary states. If he shows well in those states he's got the charisma to media blitz future states. National polling is a useful metric, but it's not everything, not even close.

[bad_teammate 13,482]

So true, but dads vote.

 

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13 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Predictit is dumb. Andrew Yang is #5, which is an absolute joke.

Beto is stronger than his polling shows. He's playing a different game right now. Retail politics work and he knows it. He's got the time (no job) and he's got the energy to press flesh and slowly win hearts and minds in the early primary states. If he shows well in those states he's got the charisma to media blitz future states. National polling is a useful metric, but it's not everything, not even close.

I completely agree. The only thing I might change is to add some media appearances in order to drive people to his local events. You have to have some star power to get people in large numbers.

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Yeah if he can do well in Iowa, NH and SC (those are still the first three?) and he’s got the ground game for super tues then maybe. He still needs more press and I’m not convinced he’s doing well in those states but I’ve been preoccupied with other crap the last few weeks.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Whether playing up to and courting the traditional political media is a winning strategy is yet to be determined.

But what is obvious is that not bowing to their altar is pissing them off thus resulting in that media pushing the “Beto is an empty suit and not up to being questioned by US - the oh so important political media -so therefore his candidacy is floundering! So say us - the self important political media mob who devoted unwarranted airtime and column inches to Donald Trump.”

Beto is granting multiple interviews to local reporters in every city and town he visits. He was in LA and San Francisco today and has crowds lined up for blocks. After hearing him speak, loads of regular people are speaking out on twitter and other social media and local press about how impressive he was and how he’s inspired them to get involved.

He feels like he got burned by “Vanity Fair” and the NYT and has been painted as entitled and and vacuous.

He’s been getting snarked on by the pundits on CNN and MSNBC since he announced. Fox News has been calling him a fake Hispanic, drunk driving cross dresser who wants to murder babies.

He’s going straight to the voters and bypassing the middleman.

And the middlemen don’t like that.

He was actually on Sharpton’s show on MSNBC today and The Axe Files a couple of weeks ago but those aren’t your typical DC media “kingmakers”.

Just this week he hired a shitton of staff in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. Including a Muslim woman in a significant role in Iowa and a black woman to run his entire SC campaign.

No headlines about that. But Mayor Pete speaks Klingon - stop the presses.

The first votes won’t be cast for almost 18 months. Let all the others suck up all the oxygen and overexpose themselves. All the while Beto can concentrate on building actual networks and ground games in the early states and meet with people who actually caucus and vote instead of Chuck Todd and Mika & Joe.

Here’s the crowd today.

Too bad he’s not getting the media onboard. All those regular people can do is vote.

[henrygandorf 29,223]

and lots of them will be able to in 9 months (not 18). 

[horncyclist 1,391]

Yeah, the media writing him off has been a little bizarre. One article I saw talked about how the number of events organized across the US for him dropped from 1000 for his watch party to 300 for the first blockwalk. 300 events organized in people's homes and communities by real people, real voters, nine months before any primary, asking people to go out and engage directly with other people for a candidate is still a big deal. He's also finetuning his message and will be better prepared for televised town halls when he starts. TV wasn't his best medium in the Senate race, so it's probably good he's taking his time. He's still clearly in the top tier of candidates and has a shot depending no how things shake out. 

[Js1 86,961]

1 hour ago, horncyclist said:

Yeah, the media writing him off has been a little bizarre. 

No, it's not.

The media loves a good story when it comes to presidential primaries.  Stories sell eyeballs.  Eyeballs = $$$$$$$$$$$

Right now, Mayor Pete is the "story."  The underdog making waves.  They are eating this shit up at the expense of Beto.

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Beto also appeared on:

http://mobile.twitter.com/jorgeramosnews/status/1121864850429267968

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by NIUHuskies

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11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Right now, Mayor Pete is the "story."

By design, yes.

Pete-mania isn't some organic thing. It is a 100% manufactured and planned phenomenon. He's smart. He's a McKinsey robot who has been planning this for years and all of these glowing profiles had been under preparation since before Pete even announced his candidacy in January.

I said before that a Pete/Beto clash was going to be inevitable and I still think that. I think Beto is coming across far more like a relatable human being and that difference will grow more and more obvious.

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Well his ground game may end up being one of the best... and there is plenty of time for Beto to get some airtime. So long as he’s top five 5 six months out and grabs some of the media spotlight in the immediate run up to the primaries then he’ll probably be fine.

 

Sanders and Warren go to far for me but I do like Senator Warren. Mayor Pete and Beto work for me. I think Biden is too beholden to the big money PAC types and he’s too much of a status quo guy. Not sure what to make of Harris her trans-blunder was pretty shocking and tone deaf as all get out. Plus she wasn’t that great about it in her time as a DA but then no one was even just a few years ago.

 

So I’m still Beto just not off the charts like I started. Pete and Warren next. And I’ll vote for the rest of them if they win the nom.

 

 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

I blame Mika & Joe for fluffing up Trump so much in 2016.

The fact that their all up Pete’s ass - no reference to sexuality intended - makes me suspicious.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Cross posted from the general 2020 thread.

Emerson poll of Texas Democratic primary voters -



Fundraising numbers for Democratic candidates from Texas donors -

The above graph is from Emerson.

These results are from Change Research.



Full numbers (screenshot cut off Inslee and Ryan but they’re both at 0%)



We all know Emerson has had issues and I don’t know how accurate Change Research has been in the past.

But my takeaway is the reports of Beto’s demise seem to be premature.

[bad_teammate 13,482]

Beto jumps on the Policy Train with a $5T, 4-pillar Climate Change plan.

Relevant spending portion:

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• More than $1 trillion through limited-duration, performance-focused climate change tax incentives that accelerate the scale up of nascent technologies enabling reductions in greenhouse gas emissions across all sectors, through efficiency and alternatives; and
• More than $3 trillion through proven existing financing institutions, like the Rural Utility Service, and a new dedicated finance authority, which will have on its board not only the brightest minds in finance but also members of the unions that would help build this infrastructure.
• More than $1.2 trillion through grants and other similar investments in our people and communities, including:
  • Housing grants that help close the gap of affordable housing in America in a way that promotes improvements in both sustainability and quality of life;
  • Transportation grants that cut commutes, crashes, and carbon pollution — all while reducing the costs paid by people and communities and boosting access to public transit;
  • Public health grants that both address the immediate crises of communities facing unacceptably poor air or water quality and the long-term crisis of climate change;
  • Small business and start-up grants that boost the diversity of the leaders whose businesses form the supply chain for climate change solutions;
  • National service grants to mobilize a new AmeriCorps generation to deploy clean energy, plant trees on marginal lands, and build more resilience to fires, floods, droughts, and hurricanes;
  • Paid-training grants through partnership with unions, community colleges, and employers that deliver the skills to earn a job in this growing economy;
  • Farming and ranching grants to create a new revenue stream for the climate benefits secured through practices like better soil management and deployment of digesters; and
  • Economic diversification and development grants for communities that have been and are being impacted by changes in energy and the economy

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The first $4T seems basically to be a corporate giveaway, which is almost undoubtedly how the right/center-right is going to try and "solve" this problem. Alas.

Edited April 29, 2019 by bad_teammate

[Brisketexan 106,651]

29 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Beto jumps on the Policy Train with a $5T, 4-pillar Climate Change plan.

Relevant spending portion:

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• More than $1 trillion through limited-duration, performance-focused climate change tax incentives that accelerate the scale up of nascent technologies enabling reductions in greenhouse gas emissions across all sectors, through efficiency and alternatives; and
• More than $3 trillion through proven existing financing institutions, like the Rural Utility Service, and a new dedicated finance authority, which will have on its board not only the brightest minds in finance but also members of the unions that would help build this infrastructure.
• More than $1.2 trillion through grants and other similar investments in our people and communities, including:
  • Housing grants that help close the gap of affordable housing in America in a way that promotes improvements in both sustainability and quality of life;
  • Transportation grants that cut commutes, crashes, and carbon pollution — all while reducing the costs paid by people and communities and boosting access to public transit;
  • Public health grants that both address the immediate crises of communities facing unacceptably poor air or water quality and the long-term crisis of climate change;
  • Small business and start-up grants that boost the diversity of the leaders whose businesses form the supply chain for climate change solutions;
  • National service grants to mobilize a new AmeriCorps generation to deploy clean energy, plant trees on marginal lands, and build more resilience to fires, floods, droughts, and hurricanes;
  • Paid-training grants through partnership with unions, community colleges, and employers that deliver the skills to earn a job in this growing economy;
  • Farming and ranching grants to create a new revenue stream for the climate benefits secured through practices like better soil management and deployment of digesters; and
  • Economic diversification and development grants for communities that have been and are being impacted by changes in energy and the economy

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The first $4T seems basically to be a corporate giveaway, which is almost undoubtedly how the right/center-right is going to try and "solve" this problem. Alas.

Bottom line, if you want more wind and solar, with natural gas prices (used for electric generation) being what they are, you're going to have to subsidize them.

We've subsidized other things in the public interest before.  Lots of times.  Just because someone in a suit makes some money doesn't mean it's a bad idea.  AND, if the subsidies also have some requirements as to employment of workers, wages, etc., they can spread the benefits beyond just the suits.  I'm speaking in broad generalities, but then again, so are you.

[bad_teammate 13,482]

Investment > Subsidy

If they're using our money, we should get a piece of the action.