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Some decent investigative reporting by Yahoo News of all people lol

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-the-true-origins-of-the-seth-rich-conspiracy-a-yahoo-news-investigation-100000831.html

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The previously unreported role of Russian intelligence in creating and fostering one of the most insidious conspiracy theories to arise out of the 2016 election is disclosed in “Yahoo News presents: Conspiracyland,” a six-part series by the news organization’s podcast “Skullduggery” that debuts this week on the third anniversary of Rich’s murder.

The Russian effort to exploit Rich’s tragic death didn’t stop with the fake SVR bulletin. Over the course of the next two and a half years, the Russian government-owned media organizations RT and Sputnik repeatedly played up stories that baselessly alleged that Rich, a relatively junior-level staffer, was the source of Democratic Party emails that had been leaked to WikiLeaks. It was an idea first floated by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who on Aug. 9, 2016, announced a $20,000 reward for information about Rich’s murder, saying — somewhat cryptically — that “our sources take risks.”

At the same time, online trolls working in St. Petersburg, Russia, for the Internet Research Agency (IRA) — the same shadowy outfit that conducted the Russian social media operation during the 2016 election — aggressively boosted the conspiracy theories. IRA-created fake accounts, masquerading as those of American citizens or political groups, tweeted and retweeted more than 2,000 times about Rich, helping to keep the bogus claims about his death in the social media bloodstream, according to an analysis of a database of Russia troll accounts by Yahoo News.

Really worth a read if you've got the time. Good hard evidence and proof to attack disinformation with.

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The most fucked up thing about our current times is there is nothing Tucker, Hannity, or Ingraham could do to get fired.  They are under the protection of the government now and they are in direct opposition to the population. 

Over the past few years each of these hosts have engaged in behavior multiple times that would get any anchor on another network immediately fired. 

It doesn’t matter how many sponsors they lose.  They’re not going anywhere as long as they are blowing the fire hose of hate to get the ratings.

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Was held hostage by Fox News at the gym tonight.  Laura Ingraham spent the first 15 minutes of her show talking to some lady who wrote a book trashing Christine Blasey Ford (timely!) and then wasted 20 minutes bemoaning the lack of civility in society because some parents apparently got into a fight a Disneyland recently.  TACKLING THE IMPORTANT ISSUES!

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2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The most fucked up thing about our current times is there is nothing Tucker, Hannity, or Ingraham could do to get fired.  They are under the protection of the government now and they are in direct opposition to the population. 

Over the past few years each of these hosts have engaged in behavior multiple times that would get any anchor on another network immediately fired. 

It doesn’t matter how many sponsors they lose.  They’re not going anywhere as long as they are blowing the fire hose of hate to get the ratings.

They aren’t too big to fail.  Just ask Bill O’Reilly and Roger Ailes.   

It’s a matter of finding the weak points and just what will make the Murdochs to throw in the towel on them.   Right now, it feels like the Murdochs have a tiger by the tail (Trump fans) and don’t know how to let go, because eventually if enough advertisers bail, they will have to let go of the tail and see what happens.

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9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They aren’t too big to fail.  Just ask Bill O’Reilly and Roger Ailes.   

It’s a matter of finding the weak points and just what will make the Murdochs to throw in the towel on them.   Right now, it feels like the Murdochs have a tiger by the tail (Trump fans) and don’t know how to let go, because eventually if enough advertisers bail, they will have to let go of the tail and see what happens.

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you there.  The times have changed from Oreilly and Ailes.  They now have direct access and influence to the top of the US government.  They’re not going to jeopardize that kind of power by firing Hannity, Tucker, Ingraham, or Dobbs while Trump is in office.  They’ve been aggressively working to protect him for that very reason...ACCESS.  

How do you put a dollar value on owning the most awesome propaganda machine in the country with a direct line to the White House?  

You can’t. 

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50 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you there.  The times have changed from Oreilly and Ailes

They are still governed by the almighty dollar.  Laura and Tucker got lucky, and they were able to find advertisers willing to cough up the money.

The real money comes in January of 2021, when FNC goes back to being the opposition.  Assuming Trump doesn’t start his own network.  

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11 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They aren’t too big to fail.  Just ask Bill O’Reilly and Roger Ailes.   

It’s a matter of finding the weak points and just what will make the Murdochs to throw in the towel on them.   Right now, it feels like the Murdochs have a tiger by the tail (Trump fans) and don’t know how to let go, because eventually if enough advertisers bail, they will have to let go of the tail and see what happens.

O'Reilly and Ailes were enormous legal liabilities.  

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

O’Reilly lost half his advertisers in less than a week.

Laura Ingraham lost literally all of her advertisers one week not that long ago and Tucker has lost most of his advertisers on a couple different occasions now. They're not publicly known though to constantly sexually assault their coworkers, which is why O'Reilly and Ailes had to go.

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6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

While it's somewhat entertaining because you know it's a troll, I'd bet the majority of people don't understand it and it just gives the right fuel.  It's not a good thing.

Give the right fuel?  The times of worrying about that are over.  

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23 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Give the right fuel?  The times of worrying about that are over.  

I think this is correct. I don't see how this country unifies in light of current political divisions. The Civil War was the result of similar divisions that could not be healed through peaceful means.

If Democrats ever get as dug in and intransigent as Republicans, hold on to your butts.

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I think this is correct. I don't see how this country unifies in light of current political divisions. The Civil War was the result of similar divisions that could not be healed through peaceful means.

If Democrats ever get as dug in and intransigent as Republicans, hold on to your butts.

My only problem with that thinking is that everybody has a lot more skin in the game these days if things go south, including the Trumpkins, compared to the 1860s.  

Go back to the 1860s, and people were a lot more self-reliant and could feed themselves, and/or their families.  

Fast-forward to 2019.  A helluva lot of Trumpkins are retired, or nearing it, and many are dependent (or will be) upon the government (socialism!) for Social Security, Medicare, etc. to help pad out their savings.  They need their cheap shit from Walmart.  They need their cheap gas from Shell and Exxon.   They need their cheap food from HEB, Walmart, etc.  They need their electricity and clean running water (Flint, lol).  They need their cheap internet and cable TV.

If things go south, Trumpkins have no way of actually providing food for themselves.  They aren't going to walk 10 or 15 miles to the store.  They aren't going to sew up some clothes out of sackcloth or make some shoes out of leather.   They won't be able to hop on Free Republic or twitter to bitch or find where to get food.  They won't be able to turn on the TV for Fox News to get their instructions.  They won't know what the fuck to do to keep their medications cold when the power is out.

Now whether Trumpkins realize that or not, is another story.  I think some do, particularly those that fear all the change happening in the world.  They are scared shitless that things will change and they are desperately fighting for their place at the table, and Donnie and the airheads on Fox News are speaking directly to them.  Which is ironic, because the Dems have no intention of sending the olds out into the cold or cutting their medications or taxing them out of their homes.

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And the younger Trumpkins, many of them are angry at losing jobs, or at jobs that never materialized (such as a steady, blue-collar living), or at being outsourced, and all they want to do is drive down to the corner store, buy their smokes and their PBR, go home, flip on the TV on, catch some WWF or some Fast and Furious, or whatever.  

Perhaps later, they will catch a few minutes of Hannity and listen to how Donnie is going to magically help them limp home to the finish line (retirement).

That's all they want - you look at their signs and hear what they are saying, and many are living very unhappy lives full of uncertainty, and all they want is to reach that retirement, because The Man is trying to fuck them out of what they believe is rightfully their's.

Hell, many of them don't mind Mexicans too much, just the Mexicans that are trying to take their non-existent jobs or horn in on their SNAP benefits.  They don't even turn the station when Jennifer Lopez comes on the TV, and they love them some John Cena movies, and they enjoyed that Dave Bautista guy in Guardians of the Galaxy, because he was a wrestler like Cena, so he's alright.

One thing they and their elders don't want, is for things to change too much.  They just want to limp home to the retirement finish line after spending 45 years at the factory or whatever job they have.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

And the younger Trumpkins, many of them are angry at losing jobs, or at jobs that never materialized (such as a steady, blue-collar living), or at being outsourced, and all they want to do is drive down to the corner store, buy their smokes and their PBR, go home, flip on the TV on, catch some WWF or some Fast and Furious, or whatever.  

Perhaps later, they will catch a few minutes of Hannity and listen to how Donnie is going to magically help them limp home to the finish line (retirement).

That's all they want - you look at their signs and hear what they are saying, and many are living very unhappy lives full of uncertainty, and all they want is to reach that retirement, because The Man is trying to fuck them out of what they believe is rightfully their's.

Hell, many of them don't mind Mexicans too much, just the Mexicans that are trying to take their non-existent jobs or horn in on their SNAP benefits.  They don't even turn the station when Jennifer Lopez comes on the TV, and they love them some John Cena movies, and they enjoyed that Dave Bautista guy in Guardians of the Galaxy, because he was a wrestler like Cena, so he's alright.

One thing they and their elders don't want, is for things to change too much.  They just want to limp home to the retirement finish line after spending 45 years at the factory or whatever job they have.

I could not have said this better.  There are so many white people in rural America that live this life and have no further goals.  I've seen it in East Texas and Wyoming this year alone.  

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55 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Google tells me "bagel boss guy" is an angry, short, pudgy, loud-mouthed, middle-aged, NY/NJ asshole looking to start fights in public. I guess him being on Hannity makes sense from what I've seen around here. Thank God, I cut the cord years ago and don't allow cable news to fester my brain. I also get satisfaction seeing my dad fumble around not knowing what to do since his constant babysitter, Fox News, isn't here when my parents come to visit.

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6 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

Sometimes I think F&F is even worse than Hannity. It's really a toss up.

It is, because they know he's watching.  I just assume he's passed out when Hannity airs.  The only time he's awake past 7pm is when he's been given his cocktail of uppers for his hate rallies. 

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1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Imagine having the opportunity to meet with pretty much anyone in the world, but you instead spend your time watching Fox and Friends.

"He's an incurious moron just like us!"

Actually, it's political strategy.  Putin did this same shit in Russia in his early days.  He was obsessed with how he was portrayed for his domestic television audiences.  You need to make sure your public appearance messaging syncs up with the messaging coming out of your propaganda arms.  It's basic psychological warfare/active measures shit. 

Article from 2015:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/how-the-media-became-putins-most-powerful-weapon/391062/

From his first days as president, Putin moved quickly to dominate the media landscape in Russia, putting not only state media but privately owned broadcast media under the Kremlin’s influence.

“The limitations on the media have existed for the 15 years that Vladimir Vladimirovich has been in power,” Alexey Venediktov, editor in chief of Echo of Moscow, Russia’s only remaining independent radio station, told me during a December visit to the Russian capital. The war in Ukraine, he added, has solidified Putin’s view of the media: “It’s not an institution of civil society, it’s propaganda. [The Russian broadcasters] First Channel, Second Channel, NTV, Russia Today internationally—these are all instruments for reaching a goal inside the country, and abroad.”

Early in his presidency, Venediktov said, Putin told him how he thinks the press works: “Here’s an owner, they have their own politics, and for them it’s an instrument. The government also is an owner and the media that belong to the government must carry out our instructions. And media that belong to private businessmen, they follow their orders. Look at [Rupert] Murdoch. Whatever he says, will be.”

Putin pursues a two-pronged media strategy. At home, his government clamps down on internal communications—primarily TV, which is watched by at least 90 percent of the population, but also newspapers, radio stations, and, increasingly, the Internet. State-aligned news outlets are flooded with the Kremlin’s messages and independent outlets are pushed—subtly but decisively—just to the edge of insignificance and extinction. At the same time, Putin positions himself as a renegade abroad, deploying the hyper-modern, reflexively contrarian RT—an international news agency formerly known as Russia Today—to shatter the West’s monopoly on “truth.” The Kremlin appears to be betting that information is the premier weapon of the 21st century, and that it can wield that weapon more effectively than its rivals.

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Since we don't have a How CNN works, I'll put htis here. Panel of eight women were not random Rs. Water is wet. CNN loves to stir the pot.

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There’s no question that the panel of women CNN interviewed about President Trump liked him a lot and don’t think he’s a racist, despite a congressional resolution to the contrary on Tuesday. And no question the women are, as CNN identified them, “Republicans.”

But the network missed telling its viewers a few other things about the women it put on the air Tuesday night and Wednesday afternoon in a segment surveying their reaction to criticism of Trump.

The seemingly random group of eight women were, in fact, members of an organized group dedicated to promoting Trump. The group calls itself the Trumpettes of America 2019 Palm Beach Team, although CNN and correspondent Randi Kaye didn’t mention anything about such a group. Nor did the anchors, including Anderson Cooper, who introduced Kaye’s report.

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The network also didn’t mention that the Trumpettes have been interviewed on CNN twice before, and that they came up reliably in support of Trump on those occasions, too.

O’Briant and fellow Trumpette Peaches McGuire Coates appeared on CNN in September when they commented favorably on Republican Sen. Ted Cruz’s reelection campaign. In that segment, CNN identified them as members of a group called Texas Women for Trump Coalition.

In January of last year, Kaye interviewed O’Briant, Miller and Coates for a piece that preceded Trump’s State of the Union speech. The interviews were pegged to headlines about his alleged affair with porn actress Stormy Daniels and revelations that he paid her to keep quiet about it. Their affiliation wasn’t mentioned then, either.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/just-a-random-group-of-republicans-cnn-doesnt-tell-the-whole-story-about-a-trump-loving-panel/2019/07/17/6977617c-a8d5-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.07850a168583

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