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Mark Levin and Ken Starr birthed this post-election/post-loss shit. Anyone have the stomach to watch Mark Levin?  He's a putz. He portrays himself as a conservative-intellectual. He may be conservative, but he couldn't identify a conservative. a loon. And Starr looks bad . . . like Hillary said back then.  These old fucks are the last of the FDR is Bad meme.

The right can't meme. they are lost in the wilderness. They have no idea what happens next . . . and this is their utopia. 

 

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Adam Carolla had a podcast that was and still absolutely focused on the Joe Rogan crowd since he’s the manlier of the 2 man show hosts. It actually came out back in 2009. Anytime he says something shitty, he pivots to “I’m a comedian and we just live in different times now, sorry if I offended you.”

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So I had forgotten about an incident from earlier this year, but this season of giving and receiving gifts brought it back to mind. This all happened around the time that people were receiving those weird unsolicited seed packages from China.  My Fox News watching in-laws had just downsized properties and moved into a smaller house in town.  My MIL got new granite countertops installed in the new house.  

As a housewarming gift, my wife sent via Amazon some specialized cleaning towels that work great for granite countertops, but forgot to tell MIL about the gift.  MIL receives said towels and doesn’t know who sent them.  She doesn’t ask anyone, but comes to the obvious conclusion that she has been targeted by the ChiComs in some nefarious cleaning towel distribution scheme and throws the unopened towels in the trash.  

Fox News has conditioned her to assume that the most likely explanation behind an unsolicited package is not that it is a gift from family or friends, but that China is trying to gain a foothold in her new kitchen.  

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Biff Tannen

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40 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i can only assume it's "because tucker, hannity, laura, and judge jeanine are part of the deep state and their guests are all radical left socialists pushing their anti-trump agenda."

am i close?

This would be my guess as well.  And they are traitors to the god king and will be thrown into the volcano along with the rest of the treasonous lizard people.

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1 hour ago, Hornius Emeritus said:


Behind a paywall. Can you summarize?

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On the morning after Election Day, Greg and Jenny Brethen, loyal viewers of Fox News who watched the channel religiously for almost 20 years, turned on their go-to morning show, “Fox & Friends,” and thought they saw something fishy.

The Tennessee couple sensed that their favorite Fox personalities, weekday co-host Brian Kilmeade and weekend co-host Pete Hegseth, who appeared in a segment, were holding back. “Like they were both instructed to keep their mouth shut, that’s how I felt,” Jenny said.

The previous evening, the nonpartisan Fox News Decision Desk was the first network prognosticator to call the state of Arizona for Joe Biden, a call that to some was early — but ultimately held up. On Nov. 7, the network called the election for the former vice president, although Hegseth won’t call him the president-elect and Kilmeade has qualified his presidency with an uncertain “if.”

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Fox News was unequivocal on Nov. 7 about President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, but some hosts and guests were eager to spin it. (The Washington Post)
Whatever it was, Greg said the couple “felt duped.” At that moment, they decided to stop watching Fox News forever and look for an alternative. After hearing about the conservative upstart Newsmax during a pro-Trump rally, they chose to give the channel a shot.

“We’re permanently switched,” Jenny, 46, said in a recent phone interview. “We’re not going back. Once you do something like that, you’re done in our book.”

Jenny, who said she now watches Newsmax from the time she gets up to the time she goes to bed, was among the 15 longtime Fox News loyalists who spoke with The Post in depth about why they have flipped the channel to Newsmax in recent weeks and months.

Their stories lend texture to what has been a quantifiable shift in the number of people who watch Newsmax, a much-smaller, would-be competitor network that has seen a dramatic uptick in viewers in the weeks since the election by capitalizing on conservative frustration with Fox, and, some say, a desire from President Trump’s fans to keep alive the flailing narrative that he will ultimately serve a second term, despite Biden’s coming inauguration.

Although Trump has criticized Fox’s news division and encouraged his followers to flip the channel to Newsmax or One America News, the majority of those interviewed, all Trump supporters, said they learned of Newsmax from word-of-mouth or from online research.

Newsmax issues sweeping ‘clarification’ debunking its own coverage of election misinformation

“I jumped on it and haven’t looked back,” said 40-year-old technical engineer Jeremy Arant, who was introduced to Newsmax by his friends after the election.

Newsmax stunned industry observers when host Greg Kelly’s 7 p.m. show beat Fox’s 7 p.m. show, hosted by anchor Martha MacCallum, among viewers between the age of 25 and 54 on Dec. 7 — though it has not repeated the feat. Still, comparing the month before the election and a post-election period, between Nov. 9 and Dec. 17, Kelly’s show has experienced a 486 percent increase in viewership (up an average of 667,000 viewers), while McCallum’s show has declined by 44 percent, or down an average of about 1.4 million total viewers, according to Nielsen data. McCallum’s “The Story” program still has a big lead over “Greg Kelly Reports,” however.

Comparing Newsmax’s weekday performance between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. to Fox’s, though, Newsmax has experienced a 497 percent viewership increase — during the post-election period, but excluding Thanksgiving — while Fox has experienced a 38 percent decline.

While Fox called the election for Biden shortly after the rest of the mainstream media did so, Newsmax waited 37 additional days, only adopting the president-elect moniker after the electoral college confirmed his victory on Dec. 14. But Kelly, who has emerged as Newsmax’s biggest star, a bomb-thrower in the mold of Fox News star Sean Hannity, doesn’t agree with the decision. Kelly acknowledged that some of his colleagues have referred to Biden as president-elect, but said recently, “I personally feel they’re wrong.”

“The night of the election completely did it. I haven’t turned on Fox News since,” said Jami Salamida, 43, a paralegal who lives in West Virginia. She watched Fox for two decades and now said she watches between eight and 10 hours of Newsmax each day.

While Fox’s coverage of the presidential election was a flash point for many of the network’s defectors, for some it was merely the latest and most pivotal grievance they have had with the network’s programming.

“The cherry on the cake was when they called the results of Arizona,” said 60-year-old Donna Cumella, who works in IT in New York.

Several viewers expressed frustration with Fox News anchor Chris Wallace’s performance as moderator of the first presidential debate between Trump and Biden on Sept. 29. “That was the big red flag,” Greg Brethen said.

Sharon Allan, a retired dental hygienist who lives in Florida, said she sensed a leftward tilt in Fox’s content starting in late September and early October. “It was like all of a sudden. A lot of my friends, we all started noticing it at the same time,” she said. “It was a shift, like they had been bought out. They like were being told to only report certain things in a certain way. It was like, ‘Wow, am I looking at Fox?’ ”

Allan, who doesn’t believe that Biden won the election, called Fox’s Arizona call “shocking.”

Several of the Fox skeptics guessed that a change in the network’s corporate management could have contributed to the shift they perceived, but many seemed confused about who is running the company and what, if anything, has changed. Six viewers who spoke with The Post mentioned a transfer of power to “the sons,” whom they said were “liberal.” One person said she heard that “the dad who owns it passed away,” a reference to Rupert Murdoch, 89, who is alive and remains chairman of parent company Fox Corp.

While Murdoch’s son, James, and daughter-in-law, Kathryn, have embraced liberal causes and politicians, including Biden, they have no control over Fox News. James ceased his role as chief executive of the network’s then-parent company, 21st Century Fox, in March 2019, and almost completely cut his ties to his family’s media dynasty by stepping down from the News Corp. board of directors this summer, citing in a letter “disagreements over certain editorial content published by the Company’s news outlets and certain other strategic decisions.” And Murdoch’s other son, Lachlan, who now runs Fox Corp., is not known to have liberal leanings.

For the viewers who have pivoted away from Fox, the one personality that many say they have a hard time totally quitting is prime-time host Tucker Carlson.

Their reasons vary. “I still like a little bit of Tucker because I think he’s a smart guy,” said 37-year-old Ricky Moxley, who works in industrial manufacturing in South Carolina.

“I will find myself allowing myself to watch Tucker because I think Tucker calls out what’s going on,” Salamida said. “That’s my problem: with the people at Fox pretending that nothing is wrong” with the election process. (There is no evidence of widespread election fraud that would change the results of the election.) Allan, the retired dental hygienist, thinks Carlson should be president one day.

Lou Dobbs debunks his own claims of election fraud — after a legal demand from Smartmatic

But even the most devoted Newsmax converts say the channel’s programming leaves something to be desired, particularly when compared with the glitz and polish of the massively profitable and high-budgeted Fox News.

“I don’t think the programming is set up right,” Salamida said. “They’re basically just playing the same couple of shows all day long.”

She “absolutely loves” Kelly and said, “When I watch his show, I honestly feel like I’m getting 100 percent of the truth from him.” But, she added, “When I’m tired of watching the third repeat, it’s really hard to not turn on Fox and see what they’re doing.”

“It’s boring, a little bit, but I’m dedicated,” said Michelle Walker, 52, who works in medical billing and lives in South Carolina. “I’ll keep watching it until it gets better.”

In particular, she likes and watches Newsmax hosts Grant Stinchfield and Sean Spicer, the former White House press secretary, but thinks Kelly panders too much for her taste. “I’m a Trump supporter, but I don’t want to hear how great my opinion is,” she said.

Newsmax has been in the process of ramping up its programming. It recently expanded its morning show, “Wake Up America,” by an hour, and added a 10 p.m. show from former Fox News anchor Rob Schmitt.

Chris Ruddy, who founded and runs Newsmax, told The Post that his network will be adding an original show at 9 p.m. each night, launching early next year. He described the concept as “a woman-centric show, something like [ABC’s] ‘The View’ for women.” He added, “We’re looking at a number of personalities for that, but we haven’t signed anyone for that. But we think we’re close.”

Asked about Newsmax’s rise in the ratings, Ruddy said: “We have some really strong personalities that are very knowledgeable but also very affable and pleasant and I think they’re really resonating. I think we’re going to continue building out those personalities.”

Perhaps more significant to Fox’s longtime prospects, some of Newsmax’s most passionate new watchers say they hope to influence the cable television wars. “My goal is to get everybody I know to quit watching Fox and to move to Newsmax,” Walker said.

‘This is the reality’: Newsmax and One America grapple uneasily with Biden’s electoral college victory

“I don’t hate Fox News, but when I switched to Newsmax, I felt more appreciated for my viewership,” said Nicholas Stanek, 31, who lives in Arizona and works as a roofing estimator. “Part of me just doesn’t want to give Fox News the ratings.”

Cindi Markham, 60, a pastor in Michigan, has taken an activist approach to getting her point across about Fox. “If boycotting them would hurt them in the sense of financially, maybe that’s the only way we can get them to make a change,” she said, adding she thinks the network invites on too much liberal opinion and has turned against the president.

Overall, Fox News’s audience remains massive. The network finished 2020 as the most-watched network in all of basic cable, not just cable news, and trumpeted a 45 percent increase — compared with 2019 — in total viewership for its prime-time shows. (CNN enjoyed an 85 percent increase.)

And many of those who have switched the channel seem to be struggling with it. Wavering a bit. Getting through each day without the same cast of characters, they are feeling an absence.

“It is disappointing and it is depressing,” said Walker, who used to watch Fox throughout the day. “It was almost like Fox was a part of my family.”

“It’s sad, because it’s like losing a friend,” said Jennie Spohn, 55, Markham’s sister-in-law, who works in construction in Michigan. “We loved Fox News. We stood up for Fox News. We stood by their side.”

And although Spohn digs Newsmax and watches upstart digital networks like Right Side Broadcasting Network, particularly to catch the president’s political rallies, she said, almost mournfully, “I don’t think there will ever be a love affair like we had with Fox News for years.”

 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Teeth said:

Why do we keep talking to these people and then airing their voices?

Exactly. The amount of fucks I give about the opinions of those 15 idiots is less than the amount of fucks Steve Patterson would give if you were broke and strolled into his office with an opinion to share with him. 

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It’s not like all of a sudden in 2020 out of the blue 40 percent of the country turned stupid. It’s always been that way and in fact worse. It’s just when Al Gore invented the net he gave both a voice and connections to these mouthbreather morons. 

Yep.  We gave the village idiots that have always been there not only a bullhorn, but a way to reach all the other village idiots instantly.  We are finding out that's not such a great thing.

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53 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

 

i stopped watching espn the morning after the 2009 national championship game because they said we lost to alabama, and i felt like they were holding something back, like they were told to say that.  i searched for another network that told me what i needed to hear.

that's when i found the longhorn network.

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On 12/19/2020 at 11:35 AM, Nivek said:

Many years ago, my brother worked on a dive boat.  They had a running joke on the boat whenever they asked and found out one of their guests had a PhD they would claim to have one too.  When asked what subject they would respond they had a PhD in life.  He told me that thinking it was hysterical.  I found it pathetic and insecure.

When I first got my MBA, I was working for a manager who did not have one.  He would always introduce me to customers as having an MBA and himself as have an MBA in hard knocks.  Guy should've been selling used cars.  Really hated that guy. When I quit working for him, I changed his name to shitass on my phone so if he ever called me a again I'd get a good laugh and hit decline.

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3K Americans are dying a day. That's more than 9/11 every.single.day

I turned on Fox News while I ate lunch. Main story. "Huge crime surge in cities across America"

They are just gaslighting the fuck out of people. Then I went to their website, which takes gaslighting to a whole another level

McConnel introduces bill to boost stimulus check. That's one way to fucking frame it. wow

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Man, that article. The biggest problem isn’t that they’re watching Newsmax; it’s that they’re watching 8-10 hours a day of any cable news. That’s self-brainwashing. Eight to ten hours a day of even CNN would untether you from reality.

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9 minutes ago, Mole said:

Man, that article. The biggest problem isn’t that they’re watching Newsmax; it’s that they’re watching 8-10 hours a day of any cable news. That’s self-brainwashing. Eight to ten hours a day of even CNN would untether you from reality.

i'll admit i'm biased, but i work from home and typically have cnn on mute most of the day.  my biggest complaint is that it's just repetitive.  but that's fine.  if no new news is developing throughout the day, it should be repetitive.  all the shows use the same correspondents and interview ~ the same guests, so it's pretty even-keeled from morning til night.  even their "opinion" shows aren't super outlandish.

on fox, you get a completely different story from one hour to the next, like they all have their own audience and agenda (which yes, some of them do).

i've said this repeatedly, but my biggest issue with fox (and probably with the others if i watched them ever) isn't that they report a story in a slanted, biased, right-wing way, it's that they don't report on certain stories at all.  when trump is doing something moronic, and cnn and msnbc are reacting to it, fox isn't saying "yay trump", they're running a story about china, hunter biden, or ufo sightings.

then their viewers shout "fake news" when they hear about it, because to them, it is.  they have no idea what you're talking about because they never even saw the story. 

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On 12/23/2020 at 1:40 PM, aggie08 said:

I don't mind Carolla, but if he's who you're trotting out as your, "See, the right can be funny too!" guest, then you're empirically not funny.

Have you ever seen the Greg Guttfield (?sp) Show on Fox?

An attempt at comedic social commentary, marked by a profound lack of jokes, and a panel that painfully tries to be edgy and outrageous -- all of whom are clearly instructed to laugh at one another's whiffs.  Plus the smug host and his nonstop punchable smirk.  

It's a fucking beating... much worse than the worst "Morning Zoo!" radio you've ever heard. 

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4 minutes ago, Paul Wesley said:

Have you ever seen the Greg Guttfield (?sp) Show on Fox?

An attempt at comedic social commentary, marked by a profound lack of jokes, and a panel that painfully tries to be edgy and outrageous -- all of whom are clearly instructed to laugh at one another's whiffs.  Plus the smug host and his nonstop punchable smirk.  

It's a fucking beating... much worse than the worst "Morning Zoo!" radio you've ever heard. 

i've stumbled past it.  i kinda get what gutfeld is going for - look how casual he is dressed and his devil-may-care attitude!  but he is miserably bad at it.

i'd honestly rather watch tucker or hannity.  and i can't make it more than one segment with those bozos.

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Also working from home earlier (company went under a month ago) I've made a habit of turning on Fox news this year to see what is going on there. I felt it was important to see the only news some of my relatives were getting. I will flip back and forth between Fox and CNN.

Is it my imagination, or did Fox really dial up the pro-Trump shit around election week? Like they sensed the OANN and Newsmax challenge. To me it was very pronounced and they have maintained that course. Conversely, CNN seemed like a lot of the year they were trying to give lip service to the right nutbars sometimes but seem to have taken the gloves off now. Calling a spade a spade. I can't bring myself to leave Fox on for more than a minute now as it makes me too ragey.

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43 minutes ago, Walser said:

Also working from home earlier (company went under a month ago) I've made a habit of turning on Fox news this year to see what is going on there. I felt it was important to see the only news some of my relatives were getting. I will flip back and forth between Fox and CNN.

Is it my imagination, or did Fox really dial up the pro-Trump shit around election week? Like they sensed the OANN and Newsmax challenge. To me it was very pronounced and they have maintained that course. Conversely, CNN seemed like a lot of the year they were trying to give lip service to the right nutbars sometimes but seem to have taken the gloves off now. Calling a spade a spade. I can't bring myself to leave Fox on for more than a minute now as it makes me too ragey.

Fox and nearly all right-wing media is designed to feed our ghoulish nature.   It is basically a horror movie/car crash to stare at.  

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1 hour ago, Walser said:

Also working from home earlier (company went under a month ago) I've made a habit of turning on Fox news this year to see what is going on there. I felt it was important to see the only news some of my relatives were getting. I will flip back and forth between Fox and CNN.

Is it my imagination, or did Fox really dial up the pro-Trump shit around election week? Like they sensed the OANN and Newsmax challenge. To me it was very pronounced and they have maintained that course. Conversely, CNN seemed like a lot of the year they were trying to give lip service to the right nutbars sometimes but seem to have taken the gloves off now. Calling a spade a spade. I can't bring myself to leave Fox on for more than a minute now as it makes me too ragey.

cnn has absolutely taken off the gloves. too late, but you still love to see it. 

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