How Fox News works

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

23 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

This is just hur dur stupid entertainment. Like watching the citizens in the stands in Gladiator. Whomever this man is, ridiculous as the story may seem and regardless of whether he is smart or stupid, timid or tough, soy or alpha, he is whomever they say he is as long as they depict him as other than them. Bread and circuses.

Gracchus: Fear and wonder, a powerful combination.

Falco: You really think people are going to be seduced by that?

Gracchus: I think he knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate, it's the sand of the coliseum. He'll bring them death - and they will love him for it.

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

No, I'm afraid there's nothing that can be done to stop this horrible downside to the first amendment other than defamation suits, which will very rarely hold up (Dominion has a nice looking case, though). Certainly there's no liability for convincing these lunatics AOC is satan herself, regardless of how they act on it. 

The "opinion" label might be feasible as a FCC regulation, but that won't fix anything. These cult fucks are just tuning in to get their fix of shit they desperately want to believe; you could have "THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT, SRSLY" running on the chyron nonstop and their brain dead audience would still parrot it as gospel. 

As noted above, the only way to hurt Fox is to get them dropped from cable bundles. Which will never happen to any significant degree with their ratings. 

This is a truly horrible situation, and it's only going to get worse with competition for insane eyeballs from OAN and others pulling them even further right and away from reality. 

 

[TheStoicPaisano 9,923]

So SHS’ replacement at FOX is...McEnany. The circlejill continues.

[Biff Tannen 45,712]

2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

No, I'm afraid there's nothing that can be done to stop this horrible downside to the first amendment other than defamation suits, which will very rarely hold up (Dominion has a nice looking case, though). Certainly there's no liability for convincing these lunatics AOC is satan herself, regardless of how they act on it. 

The "opinion" label might be feasible as a FCC regulation, but that won't fix anything. These cult fucks are just tuning in to get their fix of shit they desperately want to believe; you could have "THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT, SRSLY" running on the chyron nonstop and their brain dead audience would still parrot it as gospel. 

As noted above, the only way to hurt Fox is to get them dropped from cable bundles. Which will never happen to any significant degree with their ratings. 

This is a truly horrible situation, and it's only going to get worse with competition for insane eyeballs from OAN and others pulling them even further right and away from reality. 

 

We can't just accept this though.  It's going to get way worse if this continues.  There has to be some regulation.  Fairness doctrine.  Something.

[956 Worldwide 34,747]

7 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

So SHS’ replacement at FOX is...McEnany. The circlejill continues.

Is this confirmed? Lulz, although Kayleigh ticks every box for a FOX correspondent. 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

57 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

We can't just accept this though.  It's going to get way worse if this continues.  There has to be some regulation.  Fairness doctrine.  Something.

I wish I wasn't so fatalistic about this as my bleak outlook is very distressing to say the least. Even if they brought back a fairness doctrine type regulation for cable news (which I can't see happening...it originally applied to over the air broadcasts and was justified by the limited number of channels available), Fox would just go over the net. Obviously you can't regulate fairness on the internet. 

I can't think of any way to unring this bell. The root of the problem is similar in a way to illicit drugs. Many millions of these idiots are addicted to Fox/OAN/Newsmax style propaganda, and a market that large and lucrative is going to be served...period. 

This is why I support re-education camps for Trumpists and most of the rest of the right wing. 

[Born to Run 6,569]

Bless your heart.

Fuck yeah. Saving $150 a month for something I never fucking used and now I have the Bob Ross Channel.

[Tom 2,959]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Is this confirmed? Lulz, although Kayleigh ticks every box for a FOX correspondent. 

 

Fake blonde hair, pretty to look at, and the ability feign outrage and lie at the drop of the hat?  Generally a smug, insufferable asshole?

I think that covers most of the boxes. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Tom

[4th&Five 41,586]

My mom told me last night that they've quit watching the news, which was 95% Fox.  I'm not sure if that's because they figured out they'd been duped or they're just depressed that Trump lost but I don't really care.  Maybe a few months without daily brainwashing will allow them to enter the real world again.

[Mo Horn 8,853]

Shocked, I tell ya

[Bookman 4,639]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

Maybe a few months without daily brainwashing will allow them to enter the real world again.

My dad has listened to Rush Limbaugh daily since he started and has Fox News on constantly. I've wondered if he unplugged how long it would take for his brain to recover. It seems like it'd take more than a few months.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

2 minutes ago, Bookman said:

My dad has listened to Rush Limbaugh daily since he started and has Fox News on constantly. I've wondered if he unplugged how long it would take for his brain to recover. It seems like it'd take more than a few months.

that shit might be quite smooth by now and irrecoverable

[Biff Tannen 45,712]

22 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

My mom told me last night that they've quit watching the news, which was 95% Fox.  I'm not sure if that's because they figured out they'd been duped or they're just depressed that Trump lost but I don't really care.  Maybe a few months without daily brainwashing will allow them to enter the real world again.

I know a few boomers like this.  Yet they somehow still end up with the same talking points.  I think it's their friends/relatives that they talk to that still mainline this shit.  And Facebook, for god's sake.  It's not enough for them to stop watching Fox.  They actually need to consume real media.  NPR, Reuters, whatever it takes.  Shit, maybe even get back in the habit of watching the nightly network news.  Does anyone still do that?

[4th&Five 41,586]

Yes, FB will continue to be an issue for my Mom.  Luckily I don't really know how far gone they are because we rarely discuss politics at all.

I know they still watch the local news because my dad gets pissed when Jim Spencer doesn't get the forecast right.

Edited January 26, 2021 by 4th&Five

[Neonmoon 38,130]

My mother has been brainwashed by Fox for over 20 years. At this point, it would take a cult deprogramming specialist and maybe some shock therapy. 

[Eskimohorn 5,642]

My dad has listened to Rush Limbaugh daily since he started and has Fox News on constantly. I've wondered if he unplugged how long it would take for his brain to recover. It seems like it'd take more than a few months.

Like most habits, 21 days cold turkey you’d begin to see progress with the brain chemistry. Depending on habits, other behavioral changes could also help - like stop watching tv over an hour before bed and additional walking each day.

Honestly, a 3-week remote trip to Colorado in summer without tv and internet works. Tell your parents you need a vacation like this and ask them to come along. Plenty of activities planned, fresh air.

Meanwhile, you tell them you won a Roku prize pack with free Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, and paper subscription to Wall Street Journal. You already have all that and would they like them. Look at all these old Robert Mitchum movies! Dont show them live tv options.

When you get back, you show them how it works. Done. They’ll be hooked on old shows and they things used to be, portrayed in Hollywood.

The morning coffee is the tough one. They need that tv blaring. Get them Wall Street Journal or Dallas Morning News. Be like old times.

[Beau Vine 54,381]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

My mother has been brainwashed by Fox for over 20 years. At this point, it would take a cult deprogramming specialist and maybe some shock therapy. 

My parents, too.  Several years ago, they were staying overnight at our house.  I came home from work to find Fox News on the TV.  I grabbed the remote and turned it off and said, "We don't watch that shit in my house."  Then I started doing it when I went to their house -- walk in the door, immediately grab the remote, and change the channel.  A couple of months ago when I went to visit dad, I walked in and *HE* grabbed the remoted and turned off Fox News. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

10 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

My parents, too.  Several years ago, they were staying overnight at our house.  I came home from work to find Fox News on the TV.  I grabbed the remote and turned it off and said, "We don't watch that shit in my house."  Then I started doing it when I went to their house -- walk in the door, immediately grab the remote, and change the channel.  A couple of months ago when I went to visit dad, I walked in and *HE* grabbed the remoted and turned off Fox News. 

should have parental locked that shit when they weren't looking

[WhatTheBuck 28,797]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

And Facebook, for god's sake.

Yep. I’ve got a friend who never struck me as a Fox News viewer, he didn’t show any signs and was never watching news of any kind when I stopped by. But he’s a Trump supporter and since his retirement I’ve heard him parroting more right-wing talking points and I’m pretty sure he’s been spending a lot more of his time on Facebook. 

[aggie08 21,525]

44 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

should have parental locked that shit when they weren't looking

I don't know why, but the thought of parental locking Fox News from your parents makes me laugh so fucking hard.

(hitting close to home and what not)

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

I don't watch Fox other than the occasional two minute drive by if I'm channel surfing w/o the guide screen. Same with CNN.

The main reason is that when I turn to current events i.e. 'news' I want to know what happened or is presently occurring, who is involved, where it is happening (a small map inset is nice if it is not a major city  or if it is overseas), and what it is.

Anything else resembles gossip or pontificating and lawd have mercy, if I want that, I can get it for free in numerous places.

Why the hell should I care what Tucker or Kayleigh think about things? They are talking heads full of air.

If I want to know more, then like the QTards, I'll do my own research.

That being said, I do like twitter's easy access to a variety of articles posted on media accounts. Saves time.

But Fox? Blech. I'm very fortunate my parents didn't watch that when they were alive. I'd have been grabbing the remote, too.

[Catdaddyhorn 3,447]

 

[Born to Run 6,569]

I don't know why, but the thought of parental locking Fox News from your parents makes me laugh so fucking hard.
(hitting close to home and what not)

I did this several years ago to my mom.

She never said anything.

Talk Radio, Facebook, and Fwd Fwd Fwd Boomer emails does the same damage.

[Catdaddyhorn 3,447]

4 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

 

I believe this was in response to the exact same reporter.

 

[Grandioso 2,592]

The single most damning aspect is the correlation between viewing Fox News and believing things that are demonstrably and objectively false. It has been shown in like 1,000 different studies over and over and over. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/07/21/a-rigorous-scientific-look-into-the-fox-news-effect/?sh=3773548d12ab

https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/consuming-content-from-foxnews-com-is-associated-with-decreased-knowledge-of-science-and-society-57499

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2012/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/

This is just shit I pulled up on the first page of Google results. (But caution: too much MSNBC can achieve similar effects).

 

One study found that people who watched Fox News could not answer questions about current events as well as people who consumed literally no news at all. LMAO. Their ostensible product does the opposite of what it should do - make you aware of shit. Except the real "product" of Fox isn't "information," it's the dopamine bursts from outrage or something. Fox News is a drug dealer. 

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

16 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

Facebook, and Fwd Fwd Fwd Boomer emails does the same damage.

fox parental lock for parents is great.  facebook is heroin.  at least there is a methadone for it (shut it off).   the fwd fwd fwd emails are silent/boomer fentanyl.  full aggy deathspiral.  no recovery unless you can edit your parent's email.

[Post Oak 20,256]

PBS NewsHour till I die 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

9 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

fox parental lock for parents is great.  facebook is heroin.  at least there is a methadone for it (shut it off).   the fwd fwd fwd emails are silent/boomer fentanyl.  full aggy deathspiral.  no recovery unless you can edit your parent's email.

Prior to his parents passing away, my husband had a separate email that he kept just for them as well as all his aunts, uncles, etc. They use to Fwd Fwd Fwd stuff all the time, and I cannot recall what the impetus was but somehow he set his email to auto reply a Snopes link or something along those lines.

[Biff Tannen 45,712]

2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I don't know why, but the thought of parental locking Fox News from your parents makes me laugh so fucking hard.

(hitting close to home and what not)

Because it's both genius and hilarious.

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

Just finished the book on Fox and Trump that I referenced a couple pages ago, Hoax by Brian Stelter. It's an unpleasant read and merely adds color to what we all already know, but it really drove home for me how fucked we are having ~35% of the electorate insatiably addicted to right wing propaganda and hate speech, and how out of control this Frankenstein of Fox's creation has become. 

 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

One initiative that we really need to protect this country's future is intensive education of school children - in, say, junior high - about media propaganda, bias, reliable and unreliable sources, and how to research facts and consume news critically. 

Don't see it being part of the prescribed curriculum in an age where people can't agree on what facts are, but barring that, teachers should take it upon themselves. 

[bolverk 29,708]

23 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

One initiative that we really need to protect this country's future is intensive education of school children - in, say, junior high - about media propaganda, bias, reliable and unreliable sources, and how to research facts and consume news critically. 

Don't see it being part of the prescribed curriculum in an age where people can't agree on what facts are, but barring that, teachers should take it upon themselves. 

They started doing that in France a few years ago.

 

In France, School Lessons Ask: Which Twitter Post Should You Trust?

VAULX-EN-VELIN, France — A group of teenagers recently swarmed into a room at Collège Henri Barbusse near Lyon, France, for a class typically dedicated to learning Spanish. But on that Wednesday, an unusual lesson awaited them.

Five posts from Twitter were up on the board. The assignment: Decipher whether they were trustworthy or suspect.

The ninth graders quickly focused on a post by the far-right politician Marine Le Pen, related to a headline-grabbing incident in France when a teenager had threatened a teacher. One student said Ms. Le Pen’s post could be trusted because her account had been verified by Twitter. But Samia Houbiri, 15, piped up that Ms. Le Pen simply wanted attention.

“She picks a topic, she exaggerates things, and then people will say, ‘She’s right, I should vote for her,’” Ms. Houbiri said.

At the front of the class, Sandra Laffont, a journalist teaching the workshop, nodded and said, “Politicians may sometimes exaggerate reality because their goal is to convince people that their ideas are the right ones.”

The class was part of a novel experiment by a government to work with journalists and educators to combat the spread of online misinformation. France is coordinating one of the world’s largest national media and internet literacy efforts to teach students, starting as early as in middle school, how to spot junk information online.

Spoiler

 

Since 2015, the French government has increased funding for courses about the downsides of the online world. About 30,000 teachers and other educational professionals receive government training on the subject every year. In some places, the local authorities require young adults to complete an internet literacy course to receive welfare benefits, such as a monthly stipend.

The French Culture Ministry has doubled its annual budget for the courses to 6 million euros (about $6.8 million), and the Education Ministry is adding an elective high school course on the internet and the media to the national curriculum, making it available to thousands of students. Some educators are calling for the courses to be mandatory, taught alongside history and math.

“The younger you start, the better,” said Serge Barbet, who heads Clemi, the main program within the Education Ministry coordinating the effort. “That’s why we’ve been pushing for more media education in recent years. It’s become a vital need and a threat.”

France saw the need for expanded media and internet literacy before many countries. In 2015, the deadly attack on the satire magazine Charlie Hebdo exposed a deep distrust of the media and vulnerability to conspiracy theories online.

The efforts have taken on new urgency after the most recent American and French presidential elections were targeted by Russian misinformation campaigns, and after the spread of conspiracy theories in the wake of terrorist attacks in Paris and Nice. Violent protests across France over income inequality in recent weeks have also been organized through Facebook and other online platforms, where misleading posts or distorted videos were “liked” and shared thousands of times.

Outside France, internet literacy programs are also growing, but have largely been left to groups, such as the News Literacy Project in the United States, that are funded by foundations and companies like Facebook and Google. European Union officials this month called on countries in the bloc to expand education programs as part of a push against misinformation and election interference.

France’s centralized strategy is “quite unique” and “absolutely noteworthy,” said Renee Hobbs, a professor at the University of Rhode Island who specializes in media literacy.

Ms. Laffont, a journalist for Agence France-Presse in Lyon, became involved in the effort after she co-founded an organization called Entre Les Lignes, or Between the Lines, in 2010. The group taught students about journalism, but evolved to include social media and internet misinformation.

The government points to Ms. Laffont’s program as a model and has provided an annual injection of tens of thousands of euros since 2017 to help it grow. Now 155 journalists volunteer, including many from Le Monde, France’s leading newspaper, and the group held about 500 workshops with students this year.

Ms. Laffont keeps lessons simple. She incorporates Twitter and YouTube, and shares links to websites that students can use as references to check facts. She also explains the basics of how journalists gather and confirm facts, hoping that may help reverse some students’ mistrust of the media, as well as help them develop a more critical eye for what they see online.

“We realized that we had to go back to the fundamentals before even mentioning fake news and conspiracy theories: what’s news, who makes it, how do you check the sources,” Ms. Laffont said.

There is little research to gauge whether these lessons work. Technology trends move fast, and courses can quickly become outdated. Even basic infrastructure can be a problem: Before the class at the Henri Barbusse middle school, teachers struggled to get the internet access working.

Guillaume Chaslot, a French engineer who helped develop YouTube’s recommendation algorithm, said the efforts were worthwhile but wondered how effective they would be against Facebook and Google. Their algorithms put a priority on engagement, he said, meaning false and sensationalistic content from questionable sources can spread quickly.

“I don’t think you solve the problem with these trainings,” Mr. Chaslot said. “The power is the platforms. It’s a mismatch.”

But educators said the workshops helped people realize they must take responsibility for their online behavior, particularly in lower-income areas where young people are more vulnerable.

At a recent internet literacy workshop outside Paris, students were asked to write their own false news article. One participant paused as he finished a post that exaggerated police brutality, realizing many of his friends would believe it.

“That’s so scary,” said the student, Faycal Ben Abdallah, 20.

“Many young adults don’t look for news today — they just come across it,” said Baptiste Larroudé-Tasei, a community worker at Groupe SOS in Paris who specializes in prevention of radicalization. “If all of a sudden they are interested in something, they feel a need to learn more about it without always knowing how to do it properly.”

At the Henri Barbusse class, most of the 24 students came from housing blocks in Vaulx-en-Velin, a predominantly low-income neighborhood with a large immigrant population. On that Wednesday, Ms. Laffont began by asking the teenagers if they used Facebook. No hands went up.

“Facebook is for old people,” one student shouted, followed by laughter. They said they favored Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram and WhatsApp. (Facebook owns Instagram and WhatsApp.)

Some students said that the class was helpful, but that they weren’t sure how they would apply the new information.

Yacine Saidi, 14, who spends most of his internet time on YouTube, Snapchat and Instagram, said the class should be longer. “I’m not sure how useful it can be when I’m back home on my phone,” he said.

A group of girls including Ms. Houbiri said they mainly got their news from Snapchat and YouTube. “We’re not aware enough of how journalists work, how fake news is created or why such or such thing lands in our social media feeds,” Ms. Houbiri said. “School can be the place where we become more aware of all this.”

Then the lunch bell sounded, and the two-hour class drew to an end. Ms. Laffont was energized by the teenagers’ engagement and interest.

“It’s your role to sort things out online,” she told them. “Be attentive to all the subtleties we’ve seen today.”

 

 

[Biff Tannen 45,712]

11 minutes ago, bolverk said:

They started doing that in France a few years ago.

 

In France, School Lessons Ask: Which Twitter Post Should You Trust?

VAULX-EN-VELIN, France — A group of teenagers recently swarmed into a room at Collège Henri Barbusse near Lyon, France, for a class typically dedicated to learning Spanish. But on that Wednesday, an unusual lesson awaited them.

Five posts from Twitter were up on the board. The assignment: Decipher whether they were trustworthy or suspect.

The ninth graders quickly focused on a post by the far-right politician Marine Le Pen, related to a headline-grabbing incident in France when a teenager had threatened a teacher. One student said Ms. Le Pen’s post could be trusted because her account had been verified by Twitter. But Samia Houbiri, 15, piped up that Ms. Le Pen simply wanted attention.

“She picks a topic, she exaggerates things, and then people will say, ‘She’s right, I should vote for her,’” Ms. Houbiri said.

At the front of the class, Sandra Laffont, a journalist teaching the workshop, nodded and said, “Politicians may sometimes exaggerate reality because their goal is to convince people that their ideas are the right ones.”

The class was part of a novel experiment by a government to work with journalists and educators to combat the spread of online misinformation. France is coordinating one of the world’s largest national media and internet literacy efforts to teach students, starting as early as in middle school, how to spot junk information online.

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Since 2015, the French government has increased funding for courses about the downsides of the online world. About 30,000 teachers and other educational professionals receive government training on the subject every year. In some places, the local authorities require young adults to complete an internet literacy course to receive welfare benefits, such as a monthly stipend.

The French Culture Ministry has doubled its annual budget for the courses to 6 million euros (about $6.8 million), and the Education Ministry is adding an elective high school course on the internet and the media to the national curriculum, making it available to thousands of students. Some educators are calling for the courses to be mandatory, taught alongside history and math.

“The younger you start, the better,” said Serge Barbet, who heads Clemi, the main program within the Education Ministry coordinating the effort. “That’s why we’ve been pushing for more media education in recent years. It’s become a vital need and a threat.”

France saw the need for expanded media and internet literacy before many countries. In 2015, the deadly attack on the satire magazine Charlie Hebdo exposed a deep distrust of the media and vulnerability to conspiracy theories online.

The efforts have taken on new urgency after the most recent American and French presidential elections were targeted by Russian misinformation campaigns, and after the spread of conspiracy theories in the wake of terrorist attacks in Paris and Nice. Violent protests across France over income inequality in recent weeks have also been organized through Facebook and other online platforms, where misleading posts or distorted videos were “liked” and shared thousands of times.

Outside France, internet literacy programs are also growing, but have largely been left to groups, such as the News Literacy Project in the United States, that are funded by foundations and companies like Facebook and Google. European Union officials this month called on countries in the bloc to expand education programs as part of a push against misinformation and election interference.

France’s centralized strategy is “quite unique” and “absolutely noteworthy,” said Renee Hobbs, a professor at the University of Rhode Island who specializes in media literacy.

Ms. Laffont, a journalist for Agence France-Presse in Lyon, became involved in the effort after she co-founded an organization called Entre Les Lignes, or Between the Lines, in 2010. The group taught students about journalism, but evolved to include social media and internet misinformation.

The government points to Ms. Laffont’s program as a model and has provided an annual injection of tens of thousands of euros since 2017 to help it grow. Now 155 journalists volunteer, including many from Le Monde, France’s leading newspaper, and the group held about 500 workshops with students this year.

Ms. Laffont keeps lessons simple. She incorporates Twitter and YouTube, and shares links to websites that students can use as references to check facts. She also explains the basics of how journalists gather and confirm facts, hoping that may help reverse some students’ mistrust of the media, as well as help them develop a more critical eye for what they see online.

“We realized that we had to go back to the fundamentals before even mentioning fake news and conspiracy theories: what’s news, who makes it, how do you check the sources,” Ms. Laffont said.

There is little research to gauge whether these lessons work. Technology trends move fast, and courses can quickly become outdated. Even basic infrastructure can be a problem: Before the class at the Henri Barbusse middle school, teachers struggled to get the internet access working.

Guillaume Chaslot, a French engineer who helped develop YouTube’s recommendation algorithm, said the efforts were worthwhile but wondered how effective they would be against Facebook and Google. Their algorithms put a priority on engagement, he said, meaning false and sensationalistic content from questionable sources can spread quickly.

“I don’t think you solve the problem with these trainings,” Mr. Chaslot said. “The power is the platforms. It’s a mismatch.”

But educators said the workshops helped people realize they must take responsibility for their online behavior, particularly in lower-income areas where young people are more vulnerable.

At a recent internet literacy workshop outside Paris, students were asked to write their own false news article. One participant paused as he finished a post that exaggerated police brutality, realizing many of his friends would believe it.

“That’s so scary,” said the student, Faycal Ben Abdallah, 20.

“Many young adults don’t look for news today — they just come across it,” said Baptiste Larroudé-Tasei, a community worker at Groupe SOS in Paris who specializes in prevention of radicalization. “If all of a sudden they are interested in something, they feel a need to learn more about it without always knowing how to do it properly.”

At the Henri Barbusse class, most of the 24 students came from housing blocks in Vaulx-en-Velin, a predominantly low-income neighborhood with a large immigrant population. On that Wednesday, Ms. Laffont began by asking the teenagers if they used Facebook. No hands went up.

“Facebook is for old people,” one student shouted, followed by laughter. They said they favored Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram and WhatsApp. (Facebook owns Instagram and WhatsApp.)

Some students said that the class was helpful, but that they weren’t sure how they would apply the new information.

Yacine Saidi, 14, who spends most of his internet time on YouTube, Snapchat and Instagram, said the class should be longer. “I’m not sure how useful it can be when I’m back home on my phone,” he said.

A group of girls including Ms. Houbiri said they mainly got their news from Snapchat and YouTube. “We’re not aware enough of how journalists work, how fake news is created or why such or such thing lands in our social media feeds,” Ms. Houbiri said. “School can be the place where we become more aware of all this.”

Then the lunch bell sounded, and the two-hour class drew to an end. Ms. Laffont was energized by the teenagers’ engagement and interest.

“It’s your role to sort things out online,” she told them. “Be attentive to all the subtleties we’ve seen today.”

 

 

So will never happen in the US. Got it. We are fucked. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,212]

10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So will never happen in the US. Got it. We are fucked. 

True.  We'd have a storm of Karen's swarming schools like over-entitled locusts.  

[RDCanecutter 26,466]

On 1/24/2021 at 7:22 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Great. I don’t use My Pillow or catheters. 

Well you're no fun to party with.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

3 hours ago, Grandioso said:

One study found that people who watched Fox News could not answer questions about current events as well as people who consumed literally no news at all. LMAO. Their ostensible product does the opposite of what it should do - make you aware of shit. Except the real "product" of Fox isn't "information," it's the dopamine bursts from outrage or something. Fox News is a drug dealer. 

it's not just that it turns these people into morons, but the way fox coordinates its message across all their different shows is really remarkable and either impressive or horrifying, depending on how you look at it.

when i watch cnn, especially their opinion shows, the main topics might all be the same (the news of the day) but the takes are all different, and the guests all provide their own insight.  their correspondents and contributors which make up 10-15 min per hour basically update throughout the day.  but that's it. 

fox news finds their angle, and everybody parrots it, which is why it's so effective in its penetration.  their hosts say it, their guests say it, the gop congressmen say it - they know their talking points, and they hit them hard, which is why every conversation you have with a right-winger/trumper sounds the same.  did you know donald trump is the first president to never start a foreign war?  please.

i used to work for a company that made commercials and informercials and we sold our product via "direct response" which is the not very fancy way of saying there's a phone number on the screen to call and order the product.  we had consultants come in and tell us in a 30/60/90 second commercial, to make sure to say the number 5-7x.  in a 30 minute infomercial, you need to have 7 commercials, and at least 25x you need to have the phone number on the screen and have the v.o. guy say it out loud.

these numbers were not guesses.  there's a certain amount of time people need to hear something and see something before they mentally agree to it.  it's all calculated. 

[bolverk 29,708]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

it's not just that it turns these people into morons, but the way fox coordinates its message across all their different shows is really remarkable and either impressive or horrifying, depending on how you look at it.

when i watch cnn, especially their opinion shows, the main topics might all be the same (the news of the day) but the takes are all different, and the guests all provide their own insight.  their correspondents and contributors which make up 10-15 min per hour basically update throughout the day.  but that's it. 

fox news finds their angle, and everybody parrots it, which is why it's so effective in its penetration.  their hosts say it, their guests say it, the gop congressmen say it - they know their talking points, and they hit them hard, which is why every conversation you have with a right-winger/trumper sounds the same.  did you know donald trump is the first president to never start a foreign war?  please.

i used to work for a company that made commercials and informercials and we sold our product via "direct response" which is the not very fancy way of saying there's a phone number on the screen to call and order the product.  we had consultants come in and tell us in a 30/60/90 second commercial, to make sure to say the number 5-7x.  in a 30 minute infomercial, you need to have 7 commercials, and at least 25x you need to have the phone number on the screen and have the v.o. guy say it out loud.

these numbers were not guesses.  there's a certain amount of time people need to hear something and see something before they mentally agree to it.  it's all calculated. 

 

[BearSchlong 8,109]

fox parental lock for parents is great.  facebook is heroin.  at least there is a methadone for it (shut it off).   the fwd fwd fwd emails are silent/boomer fentanyl.  full aggy deathspiral.  no recovery unless you can edit your parent's email.

Thank God my R dad is now a biden republican never trumper and all he forwards to me is porn. I hated all his emails from the Obama presidency though.

[Pancho 44,965]

Christ

 

[HenryJames 66,160]

[Biff Tannen 45,712]

I really do think this thread is actually one of the more important ones on the forum. Disinformation is the fight for the foreseeable future and Fox News is the king. Others help out, but this the the nest. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,797]

Might need to expand the security detail protecting Fauci AND HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN from all the right-wing nutjob Trump supporters sending them death threats. 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I really do think this thread is actually one of the more important ones on the forum. Disinformation is the fight for the foreseeable future and Fox News is the king. Others help out, but this the the nest. 

Agreed. But I'm convinced that OAN and Newsmax, and potentially a trump network are going to drag Fox completely off the rails with them. Meaning no longer even making a token effort to resemble real news at any time of day. Tuckers and Hannitys and Ingrahams 24/7. Q anon style brainwashing for the masses on their TVs.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Hookah Horns

[Biff Tannen 45,712]

1 minute ago, Hookah Horns said:

Agreed. But I'm convinced that OAN and Newsmax, and potentially a trump network are going to drag Fox completely off the rails with them. Meaning no longer even making a token effort to resemble real news at any time of day. Tuckers and Hannitys and Ingrahams 24/7.

When that happens I guess we just add them to the thread title. 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

55 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Christ

 

I at least understood the batshit attempts to discredit and demonize Fauci when Trump was in office, but what is the goal of this campaign now? Perhaps it's just feeding the cult what the want. Just so incredibly dangerous and brazenly irresponsible. 

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

True.  We'd have a storm of Karen's swarming schools like over-entitled locusts.  

locusts with attitudes.

straight outta frisco.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Something is seriously wrong with her.

[Tom 2,959]

35 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Something is seriously wrong with her.
 

 

 

I know it's petty and possibly inappropriate to go after her looks, but Maria always looks like she's on day 1 after a long bender.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

37 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Something is seriously wrong with her.
 

yes, i understand that they were bots.  but they were my bots, and they were very very loyal and supportive, and i loved each and every one of them.