How Fox News works

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[mdmost 43,007]

If only those Japanese Americans had denounced Japan for Pearl Harbor, we wouldn't have had to put them in internment camps. 

Edited March 20, 2021 by mdmost

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Between the post above and this below, that conversation about Fox is loooong overdue:

ICYMI, Hotez (not Steve Hotze, the quack) is a vaccine scientist at Baylor Med and specializes in vaccines and tropical diseases.

Also:

 

[Beau Vine 54,292]

26 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

ICYMI, Hotez (not Steve Hotze, the quack)

Hotez honestly needs to change his name.  I've been getting them confused.

[Nivek 16,946]

I still scroll around on the Aggie board on occasion, especially if BT is on a tear cause he's a funny read when he's debating with people but the buzzword usage to which you refer is a real beating to read. It just gets old. I get so tired of reading 'Soros' this and 'Bill Gates' that and cultural marxism--I can't tell if any of them actually understand the different branches of marxist theory and different systems or are just repeating ad infinitum what they watch on YouTube, hear on the radio shows, and read on weblogs and memes.
The brave new world of white males being exposed to the daily "microaggressions' (there's a buzzword for us all) that many out groups live with and have for years is fascinating and scary. How will they cope? Many of you cope just fine. You see it for what it is. But a lot of folks had never had such discomfort and they are more than a little whiny and whimpy about it.

They do not understand what those words mean. Ask them to define it and you will get silence, a moment of panic, and a deflection “its like pornography I know it when I see it.”

Then mind fuck them with a discussion on the differences in Marxist camps if you wish. It is all for your entertainment only. They ate perfectly happy arguing and using labels they don’t know, do not understand, and use interchangeably to demonstrate their entire point is not to learn and understand but to preach. Facts be dammed.

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3 minutes ago, Nivek said:

They do not understand what those words mean. Ask them to define it and you will get silence, a moment of panic, and a deflection “its like pornography I know it when I see it.”

Then mind fuck them with a discussion on the differences in Marxist camps if you wish. It is all for your entertainment only. They ate perfectly happy arguing and using labels they don’t know, do not understand, and use interchangeably to demonstrate their entire point is not to learn and understand but to preach. Facts be dammed.

That board is just a fever swamp of craziness and conspiracy.  It’s veered pretty hard into anti-vax stuff,anti-mask, dropped the “coded” part of the racism.....

[wildcat09 29,355]

Fox News has done exponentially more to infect the world with covid than the CCP.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,876]

On 3/19/2021 at 6:13 PM, JimmyJames said:

I think it’s time to start a serious discussion over whether or not to shut Fox News down completely. It’s basically a for profit foreign owned lie based treason incubator now.  It is an existential threat to democracy.

Australia already did that. 

I said it a while ago, but I think the way to start solving the "fake news" problem is to start giving designations. There is press and there is media. One is a protected class, both have protected speech. But to be considered part of the press, you have to meet certain standards. If you don't, you are media. And you should have to play a disclaimer before every show like South Park or Jackass or something where you have to say everything that is about to follow is bullshit

Edited March 21, 2021 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Biff Tannen 45,692]

20 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Australia already did that. 

I said it a while ago, but I think the way to start solving the "fake news" problem is to start giving designations. There is press and there is media. One is a protected class, both have protected speech. But to be considered part of the press, you have to meet certain standards. If you don't, you are media. And you should have to play a disclaimer before every show like South Park or Jackass or something where you have to say everything that is about to follow is bullshit

100% this.  I don't think there's any way to get them to go away, so relegate them to the dustbin of bullshittery alongside MAD TV and that potato bucket guy.

Edited March 22, 2021 by Biff Tannen
someone give me some better examples

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,876]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

100% this.  I don't think there's any way to get them to go away, so relegate them to the dustbin of bullshittery alongside MAD TV and that potato bucket guy.

I want to take it even a step further. the press is the only "profession" mentioned in the constitution which, to me, lifts it above most others. As such, I think you should have to carry a professional license to be called part of the press. You should have to go to college, intern for several years, and then take exams to test your ability to do your job, ethically. Finally, you should have sign a code of ethics before being issued your license and you should have to do continuing education every year.

Information is easily our most valuable weapon. It can also be easily weaponized, as we have seen. Having better caretakers of our information is paramount to having a just and equitable society. This could be one way to get to there.

[wildcat09 29,355]

44 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I want to take it even a step further. the press is the only "profession" mentioned in the constitution which, to me, lifts it above most others. As such, I think you should have to carry a professional license to be called part of the press. You should have to go to college, intern for several years, and then take exams to test your ability to do your job, ethically. Finally, you should have sign a code of ethics before being issued your license and you should have to do continuing education every year.

Information is easily our most valuable weapon. It can also be easily weaponized, as we have seen. Having better caretakers of our information is paramount to having a just and equitable society. This could be one way to get to there.

This is one of those things that sounds great but would actually be horrible. You really don't want the state, or a "private" body endorsed by the state, regulating who can and can't be considered part of the press. That's an incredible weapon you'd be handing to President Marjorie Taylor Greene or whatever fucking lunatic they elect next.

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Faulkner rocketing up the FOX Clown rankings.

 

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Sounds good, but unconstitutional af.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,876]

26 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This is one of those things that sounds great but would actually be horrible. You really don't want the state, or a "private" body endorsed by the state, regulating who can and can't be considered part of the press. That's an incredible weapon you'd be handing to President Marjorie Taylor Greene or whatever fucking lunatic they elect next.

So the current for-profit system is better? I disagree wholesale.

I have thought about that and I think it could be handled the same way government contracts are handed out to architects and engineers and other professionals (something I am intimately familiar with). Press outlets vie for contracts with the gov't. If they don't cut the mustard, the contract isn't renewed. Within that structure, there could be oversight committees and professional organizations that keep individual players and companies in check.

I'm not saying this is a flawless idea, but imho, everything I have laid out thus far is better than the unfettered bullshit we have now.

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4 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

So the current for-profit system is better? I disagree wholesale.

I have thought about that and I think it could be handled the same way government contracts are handed out to architects and engineers and other professionals (something I am intimately familiar with). Press outlets vie for contracts with the gov't. If they don't cut the mustard, the contract isn't renewed. Within that structure, there could be oversight committees and professional organizations that keep individual players and companies in check.

I'm not saying this is a flawless idea, but imho, everything I have laid out thus far is better than the unfettered bullshit we have now.

This is how you Walmart the media. Its already happening to some extent as the NYT and the WSJ increase their local footprints in markets that cannot support a local newspaper.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,876]

ok smart guys, then you fix it.




lulz.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11,669]

interpreting the freedoms guaranteed the press to mean you can heavily regulate the press

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1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I want to take it even a step further. the press is the only "profession" mentioned in the constitution which, to me, lifts it above most others. As such, I think you should have to carry a professional license to be called part of the press. You should have to go to college, intern for several years, and then take exams to test your ability to do your job, ethically. Finally, you should have sign a code of ethics before being issued your license and you should have to do continuing education every year.

Information is easily our most valuable weapon. It can also be easily weaponized, as we have seen. Having better caretakers of our information is paramount to having a just and equitable society. This could be one way to get to there.

 

37 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This is one of those things that sounds great but would actually be horrible. You really don't want the state, or a "private" body endorsed by the state, regulating who can and can't be considered part of the press. That's an incredible weapon you'd be handing to President Marjorie Taylor Greene or whatever fucking lunatic they elect next.

Agreed with Wildcat....as awful as Fox and OANN etc. are....this is a TERRIBLE idea.  Because all it takes is another Trump term, with an even slightly more competent crew with him, and the only "licensed journalists" allowed in the US will be those who have met a set of standards that just HAPPENS to include swearing a loyalty oath to Trump, or something similarly absurd.

In fact, the expansion of citizens with phone cameras acting in a "journalist" fashion has actually served to expand the definition of what a "journalist" could be.  Is a bystander recording a cop beating up a suspect a "journalist?"  I think there's a good argument that they are: they are recording an event of public interest for the purpose of disseminating information about that event to the public.  I sure don't want the cops going over and whooping up on Betty Bystander because she doesn't have the Trump-admin issued "Official Journalist" card.

I don't know what the fix is to Fox and OANN.  I really don't.  I think that we need to start looking at their participation and cooperation with foreign agents, that may be one way.  To the extent that they are propaganda arms working in coordination with hostile foreign governments, that may offer a path.  But if they aren't.....then "biased journalism" can't and shouldn't be a basis for shutting down journalism.  Because you damned well know the next Trump admin will use that standard to shut down everyone BUT Fox and OANN and Newsmax.  Maybe I look at it the way the ACLU looks at Skokie nazis....we hate them, they are anti-American, but the First Amendment is the First Amendment, and we have to tread lightly in that respect.  Fox and OANN are an anti-american destructive force, like nazis (I mean, literally, like nazis)....but the First Amendment allows them to be.  Unless and until they run afoul of other laws, we can't use law enforcement to stop them.

But that means that we need to do everything else we can, including exerting pressure on social media companies and the like to combat obviously fake news, hate speech, etc.  Want to post your GQP criticism of the new COVID relief bill because you are now suddenly worried about the debt again?  Go for it.  Want to post your GQP criticism of it because it secretly provides a way for Biden and Hillary to kidnap kids for blood sacrifice?  Get banned.  We need to use a legal and important force in society -- pressure, shame, and anger -- to attack destructive institutions and actors.  Not everything is the job of law enforcement.  We the people need to use our voices and our pocketbooks.

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I know it's not the end all be all, but as a start bring back the fucking Fairness Doctrine!

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Regarding how to stop the bullshit, it's worth keeping the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle (BAP) in mind: "it takes an order of magnitude more work to refute bullshit than it does to produce it."

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1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

So the current for-profit system is better? I disagree wholesale.

I have thought about that and I think it could be handled the same way government contracts are handed out to architects and engineers and other professionals (something I am intimately familiar with). Press outlets vie for contracts with the gov't. If they don't cut the mustard, the contract isn't renewed. Within that structure, there could be oversight committees and professional organizations that keep individual players and companies in check.

I'm not saying this is a flawless idea, but imho, everything I have laid out thus far is better than the unfettered bullshit we have now.

Having actually lived in places that have a system similar to this, I can one hundred percent say that it is much, much worse than what we have now. And that this is the argument that is used, that the press is so powerful and its use is so important to the functioning of the free, democratic society, that its professionalism and quality must be strictly monitored and ensured. 
 

And then a couple years later every article you read is saying something nice about the President.  Here is an actual headline I recall from those days:

”Parliamentary Committee Debates Pressing Issues”

The body text went on to explain that the committee held a healthy, robust debate on important social and political issues.  After hearing well reasoned arguments from all sides, the committee adopted appropriate measures. The President praised the committee for its work and remarked that the newly adopted measures would enable him to better protect the prosperity and security of citizens.

No, I did not forget to tell you the issues under debate or the measures adopted.  That was not part of the professional press’ excellent and comprehensive reporting in the public interest. 
 

An unfettered free press has likely saved our asses more often than propaganda has gotten us into trouble. 

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More governmental control over the press is not the way to prevent propaganda. I mean, for fuck’s sake y’all. 

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[Biff Tannen 45,692]

16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Well maybe nature can just take care of them for us. 

[Biff Tannen 45,692]

My MIL who swears she hasn’t watched Fox News in years just caught us deleting the Fox News app on her phone and said she would just re-download it. At least we were able to shame her into voting for Biden though. 

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5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

At least we were able to shame her into voting for Biden though. 

That’s what you think.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

 

did someone from Fox remind him that the flu is much much worst than covid ?

[henrygandorf 29,194]

are we to think that plastering "not real news, for entertainment purposes only" over a fox news broadcast (or oann or newsmax) means a thing to their viewers?

the viewers are the issue here, not the pseudo-news they're consuming.  a disclaimer would actually strengthen their resolve - this is something i'm 100% certain of.

cigarettes are bad for you and everybody knows it and there's warnings and skull and crossbones shit on their packaging and people don't care.  if the entire world stopped smoking cigarettes, they would stop making them.

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42 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

My MIL who swears she hasn’t watched Fox News in years just caught us deleting the Fox News app on her phone and said she would just re-download it. At least we were able to shame her into voting for Biden though. 

Nah you were able to shame her into telling you what you wanted to hear.

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53 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

My MIL who swears she hasn’t watched Fox News in years just caught us deleting the Fox News app on her phone and said she would just re-download it. At least we were able to shame her into voting for Biden though. 

[elfenix 34,328]

are we to think that plastering "not real news, for entertainment purposes only" over a fox news broadcast (or oann or newsmax) means a thing to their viewers?
the viewers are the issue here, not the pseudo-news they're consuming.  a disclaimer would actually strengthen their resolve - this is something i'm 100% certain of.
cigarettes are bad for you and everybody knows it and there's warnings and skull and crossbones shit on their packaging and people don't care.  if the entire world stopped smoking cigarettes, they would stop making them.

The judge in that libel case that determined Tucker was fucking bullshit should have required Fox to do an intro explaining that Tucker's bullshit and no one should take him seriously. Kind of like how at the beginning of an infomercial it usually says "this is a paid promotional video for abuelita's butt plugs and does not necessarily represent the views of this network."

[Nivek 16,946]

Propaganda works.   We allow far too much bad information to be spread.  

[Beau Vine 54,292]

 

[mdmost 43,007]

Ah, who cares about dead people in a blue state, let's talk about Biden falling down the stairs again!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

[Biff Tannen 45,692]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

the horror

[Brisketexan 105,161]

31 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Hey Fox, now run the same number since January 20, 2017.  I fucking dare you, cocksuckers.

[Biff Tannen 45,692]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Hey Fox, now run the same number since January 20, 2017.  I fucking dare you, cocksuckers.

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21 hours ago, elfenix said:

22 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

are we to think that plastering "not real news, for entertainment purposes only" over a fox news broadcast (or oann or newsmax) means a thing to their viewers?
the viewers are the issue here, not the pseudo-news they're consuming.  a disclaimer would actually strengthen their resolve - this is something i'm 100% certain of.
cigarettes are bad for you and everybody knows it and there's warnings and skull and crossbones shit on their packaging and people don't care.  if the entire world stopped smoking cigarettes, they would stop making them.

The judge in that libel case that determined Tucker was fucking bullshit should have required Fox to do an intro explaining that Tucker's bullshit and no one should take him seriously. Kind of like how at the beginning of an infomercial it usually says "this is a paid promotional video for abuelita's butt plugs and does not necessarily represent the views of this network."

All Tucker would have to do is open each show by using his smarmy voice to say “before we begin, the government requires that I inform you that everything I say is opinion and exaggeration, not news.”  Then he’d roll his eyes. It would make him more trustworthy. 

The assorted cretins, galoots, jerkoffs, and oafs who tune into his broadcast would eat that shit up. 

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Pos rep for galoots.  Hadn't heard that word in awhile.

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1 hour ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Pos rep for galoots. 

I'm sure we can wrangle up some of them fellers somewheres

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14 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

All Tucker would have to do is open each show by using his smarmy voice to say “before we begin, the government requires that I inform you that everything I say is opinion and exaggeration, not news.”  Then he’d roll his eyes. It would make him more trustworthy. 

The assorted cretins, galoots, jerkoffs, and oafs who tune into his broadcast would eat that shit up. 

Probably right, which is why I think, in the long run, we're fucked.

Right wing outlets will continue with mass false narratives that will be devoured by the deplorables.  It will eventually lead to a fascist state b/c Dems are complete and utter pussies. 

With any luck, I'll be dead by then. 

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this technique I think is interesting. I’m from a small town of MAGA retards so stuff like this comes across my Facebook when a former hs classmate comments on the article.  This particular one had a comment saying something like “more liberal Democrat lies!” or some such. I click on the link and glance at the other comments and it is thousands and thousands of similar reactions.  
 

if you read the article, it basically says the traits that make one walk briskly are also traits that indicate general health that would ward off serious sickness.  Youth, vitality, energy reserves, what have you.  No claim of causation between fast walking and COVID protection.  
 

but I think it is intentional. They know no one can be bothered to actually read the article, and they know their audience cannot distinguish between causation and correlation.  So the headline writers grab this study and post it in a vague way to make a sub-80 iq reader think causation is being argued as bait to have it laughed at. 
 

 

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47 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

If one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?

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16 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Pos rep for galoots.  Hadn't heard that word in awhile.

I mean no offense to the simpletons, drips, halfwits, and goobers who watch as well. Representation is important. 

[Nivek 16,946]

Christians are so persecuted. We should give them a holiday.

[Biff Tannen 45,692]

1 hour ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

this technique I think is interesting. I’m from a small town of MAGA retards so stuff like this comes across my Facebook when a former hs classmate comments on the article.  This particular one had a comment saying something like “more liberal Democrat lies!” or some such. I click on the link and glance at the other comments and it is thousands and thousands of similar reactions.  
 

if you read the article, it basically says the traits that make one walk briskly are also traits that indicate general health that would ward off serious sickness.  Youth, vitality, energy reserves, what have you.  No claim of causation between fast walking and COVID protection.  
 

but I think it is intentional. They know no one can be bothered to actually read the article, and they know their audience cannot distinguish between causation and correlation.  So the headline writers grab this study and post it in a vague way to make a sub-80 iq reader think causation is being argued as bait to have it laughed at. 
 

 

Well, what about high talkers, low talkers, close talkers, and two-faces?

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Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Well, what about high talkers, low talkers, close talkers, and two-faces?

What about the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads?

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1 hour ago, Mole said:

If one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?

GOP / "Modern Christians":