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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:01 PM, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:
  On 7/25/2018 at 12:54 PM, Orca of Peace said:
the burden of proof is on those who claim the Russian meddling had a material impact on the election outcome, which it did not until proven otherwise. Can you do it?
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I'm not claiming anything one way or another. You are.

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you dont' understand how life works. When a claim is made, it's up to that person to show some substance. In other words, prove the affirmative. 

I'd like to know how Russian meddling, which i don't deny, actually produced verifiable results in Trump's favor. 

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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:06 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Point is, no matter how much evidence and supporting testimony I throw, you will just disregard and say it’s not enough to qualify as proof.  It’s intellectually disingenuous.

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your presumption is intellectually disingenuous. I will entertain any real hard facts. Now it's up to you to produce or STFU. 

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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:05 PM, Orca of Peace said:
you dont' understand how life works. When a claim is made, it's up to that person to show some substance. In other words, prove the affirmative. 
I'd like to know how Russian meddling, which i don't deny, actually produced verifiable results in Trump's favor. 
You just wrote that the person making the claim is the same person that gets to determine what qualifies as proof. You are a fire hose of life lessons, Pelosi. I shall treasure them always.
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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:16 PM, Orca of Peace said:

your presumption is intellectually disingenuous. I will entertain any real hard facts. Now it's up to you to produce or STFU. 

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What are real hard facts?

 

I am sure ide this is you

 

 

Posted
  On 7/25/2018 at 1:06 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Point is, no matter how much evidence and supporting testimony I throw, you will just disregard and say it’s not enough to qualify as proof.  It’s intellectually disingenuous.

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Swam'd.

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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:18 PM, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:
  On 7/25/2018 at 1:05 PM, Orca of Peace said:
you dont' understand how life works. When a claim is made, it's up to that person to show some substance. In other words, prove the affirmative. 
I'd like to know how Russian meddling, which i don't deny, actually produced verifiable results in Trump's favor. 
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You just wrote that the person making the claim is the same person that gets to determine what qualifies as proof. You are a fire hose of life lessons, Pelosi. I shall treasure them always.

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the person making the claim has to provide proof. Simple.  

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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:28 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:
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i never denied Russian meddling, but how many votes did it change in the grand scheme of things? A few hundred, a few thousand, millions?  Are there any metrics on that? Did it hand the Presidency to Donald J. Trump? 

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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:30 PM, Orca of Peace said:

 

i never denied Russian meddling, but how many votes did it change in the grand scheme of things? A few hundred, a few thousand, millions?  Are there any metrics on that? Did it hand the Presidency to Donald J. Trump? 

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Even if provided you wouldn't believe them

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Orca:  "Advertising is a $70 billion dollar business.  But it would be impossible to prove that I bought a coke yesterday because coke decided to run an ad.  I can't prove it.  Coke can't prove it.  I guess Coca Cola just wasted those billions of dollars then.  What a dumb company. "

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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:37 PM, Longhornfan1024 said:

So orca of peace's assertion is that if someone shoots at me and misses, I shouldn't care because I wasn't hurt and the cops shouldn't care or arrest the person because I wasn't hurt.  

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The next pivot will be "Everyone does it, we've meddled in plenty of elections. This is just something that always happens. It's normal"

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  On 7/25/2018 at 1:05 PM, Orca of Peace said:

you dont' understand how life works. When a claim is made, it's up to that person to show some substance. In other words, prove the affirmative. 

I'd like to know how Russian meddling, which i don't deny, actually produced verifiable results in Trump's favor. 

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Do you think advertising increases sales? Can you quantify exactly how much is due to the advertising and how much isn't? Or do you just know that it works?

It's not possible to know to what extent voters were influenced by Russia's campaign of misinformation on social media, hacking, dark money, etc. it's foolish to think it had no effect at all. 

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  On 7/25/2018 at 3:20 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Do you think advertising increases sales? Can you quantify exactly how much is due to the advertising and how much isn't? Or do you just know that it works?

It's not possible to know to what extent voters were influenced by Russia's campaign of misinformation on social media, hacking, dark money, etc. it's foolish to think it had no effect at all. 

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marketing departments carefully track ads and sales correlation.  Not sure that analogy works here. 

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  On 7/25/2018 at 3:24 PM, Orca of Peace said:

marketing departments carefully track ads and sales correlation.  Not sure that analogy works here. 

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The analogy works 100%.  The only difference is the empirical proof.  You can't compare Trump v. Hillary elections with Russian propaganda versus Trump v. Hillary elections without Russian propaganda because there is no such thing as the latter.  That is why there is no 'proof.'  But you can take it on faith that advertising works, note that (illegal) advertising for Trump was done here, and accept that the needle was therefore moved.  But no one will ever be able to know the amount the needle moved.

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  On 7/25/2018 at 3:24 PM, Orca of Peace said:

marketing departments carefully track ads and sales correlation.  Not sure that analogy works here. 

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Think harder. You can do it. 

"Hold the pickle, hold the lettuce, special orders don't upset us. All we ask is that you let us serve it your way."

"Two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, on a sesame seed bun."

Can you tell us exactly how each affected sales at Burger King and McDonald's? Can Burger King or McDonald's? If not, were those marketing campaigns a waste of money? Are all marketing campaigns a waste of money? Should  politicians stop running political ads altogether?

Check this out. I can still do this from memory. You'll have to trust me..."bun seed sesame a on, onions, pickles, cheese, lettuce, sauce special patties beef all two."

That got you a free, or at least discounted, Big Mac somewhere around 40 years ago. I don't remember exactly what the benefit was but I remember the promotion. The shit works. 

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  On 7/25/2018 at 3:03 PM, HenryJames said:

The next pivot for Trump supporters is that they will be ok with Russian intervention because it prevented Hillary from becoming President.

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Of course.  And the Russians hate gays, blacks, browns...I have a feeling that might sell well to the present day Party Numero Uno.  

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Of course everyone else is discussing the breaking Cohen news and Laura ingraham is having a segment on people being mean to conservatives in public 



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