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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseretnews.com/article/900061118/did-new-dna-research-report-study-just-identify-jack-the-ripper-shawl-evidence-solve-crime.amp

  • The new research, which was published in the Journal of Forensic Sciences, reviewed the only remaining physical evidence linked to the murders that was recovered at the scene of one of the deaths.
  • The researchers analyzed a shawl covered in blood from Catherine Eddowes, who was reportedly one of Ripper’s victims. She was killed on Sept. 30, 1888.
  • The scientists reportedly used genetic testing and linked the killing to Aaron Kosminski, who was a 23-year-old barber living in London at the time, according to Science magazine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3206856002

A forensic investigation published in Journal of Forensic Sciences has identified the killer as Aaron Kosminski, a 23-year-old Polish barber and prime suspect at the time.

Kosminski was previously named as a suspect over 100 years ago and once again in a 2014 book by British businessman and Ripper researcher Russell Edwards. But the latest finding marks the first time that Edwards' DNA evidence has been published in a peer-reviewed journal, according to the magazine Science.

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Sorry for bothering y’all. Just thought it was cool DNA and dipshits (who care about what specific part of a country they belong to) are solving crimes. It’s like watching John Walsh if DNA swabbing (voluntarily-lmao) was a crime show. 

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Regal looking bloke:

aaron_kosminski_whitechapel_ripper_suspe

I'm sure he was all like, "I say, I would so much enjoy cutting you up and eating your kidneys!  What say we 'ave a go at it, eh?  That is, of course, if it's not too much bother.  I would be sooo appreciative and in your debt.  I also appreciate you considering this offer.   I'll just wait over there and be out of your hair while you mull it over... shall we say, in five minutes?  Again, thank you so kindly."

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Every ten years this case gets “solved” again.  Always a different guy.  One time it was the king’s son or some such.  One time it was a prominent surgeon. Once it was a powerful MP.  Now it’s Sweeney Todd.  

It’s a “notice me”/bookselling scam like Roswell and “who built the pyramids?”

At this point I’m going to write a book detailing how a cult made up of the king’s son, a prominent MP, a surgeon, an artist, and a barber did the murders together then drew the Nazca lines while hiding the Ark of the Covenant. 

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Several geneticists claiming shenanigans here.

You're a naughty one, Saucy Jack.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2019/03/18/archaeological-geneticists-call-jack-the-ripper-dna-study-unpublishable-nonsense/#7eb80d88b900

 

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News media was buzzing today with a claim that scientists had finally figured out the real identity of the notorious 19th century serial killer Jack the Ripper thanks to DNA and an old shawl. The only problem? Archaeological geneticists say the research is neither new nor scientifically accurate.

Writing last week in the Journal of Forensic Sciences, Jari Louhelainen of Liverpool John Moores University and David Miller of the University of Leeds published an analysis of "forensic stains" on a silk shawl purportedly linked to a woman named Catherine Eddowes, murdered by Jack the Ripper more than 130 years ago. The stains could not be definitively classified, but the researchers hypothesize that one is related to blood spatter and one possibly to semen.

Testing the forensic stains led Louhelainen and Miller to write that "the completed DNA sequences displayed an overall match for both the suspect candidate and the victim. This suggests that the stains originated from a single source. In other words, the victim's stains are from one individual, and stains linked to the suspect are similarly from a single person."

The researchers claim that this is "the most systematic and most advanced genetic analysis to date regarding the Jack the Ripper murders." They also say that they show that "the presence of mtDNA on the shawl matches the female victim's mtDNA derived from stains on it and that mtDNA also on the shawl matches the suspect candidate's mtDNA. Furthermore, both are on the same piece of evidence and originate from specific, forensically relevant stains that are in concordance with Jack the Ripper's modus operandi."

Bringing the study full circle, the researchers conclude that "all the data collected support the hypothesis that the shawl contains biological material from Catherine Eddowes and that the mtDNA sequences obtained from semen stains match the sequences of one of the main police suspects, Aaron Kosminski," a Polish barber who immigrated to England in the 1880s.

 

While the study appears solid on its surface, archaeological geneticists immediately picked apart the science and criticized media coverage of Louhelainen and Miller's work.

Adam Rutherford, a genetics expert and science writer, took to Twitter to point out that the study, first of all, is not new. It was initially described in a 2014 book, and Rutherford challenged the claim then for BBC Inside Science. He also questions the provenance of the shawl. While Louhelainen and Miller suggest in their paper that appropriate chain of custody was employed, and that they attempted to exclude contemporary people's DNA, Rutherford notes that "the way it has been handled since would render DNA analysis cripplingly problematic." This particular silk shawl has made the rounds, with photographs of people holding it with their bare hands. Hardly a pristine object for DNA analysis.

Geneticist Turi King of the University of Leicester, who has led the genome sequencing of Richard III, also sees majors issues with the Ripper shawl study. Writing on Twitter, King asks, "How did this ever get past review!? Primers not listed, data not presented, was it done in a proper forensic/aDNA lab... Unpublishable!" She is as concerned as Rutherford about contamination issues with the shawl as well. "Not only owner photographed holding it with bare hands but apparently also been in presence of the descendants being used as a comparator. Staggering!"

The other major problem with the Louhelainen and Miller study is their use of mitochondrial DNA, according to the geneticists. While reference DNA samples from modern relatives could theoretically link the victim, Catherine Eddowes, with the forensic stains, that's only because she's female and her maternal relatives will have similar mtDNA. Yet the study authors claim that they have reference samples from relatives of the male suspect too. "The suspect couldn't have passed on his mitochondrial DNA, as he was a man," King explains.

"This is terrible science and terrible history," Rutherford declares. "It doesn't warrant discussion in the press, let alone in an academic journal. Nonsense like this paper and a gullible media does nothing but foment scientific and historical illiteracy built upon the grotesque romanticization of the brutal murders of five women. And we should all try harder to be better than this."

King adds that she's "concerned for the Kosminski relatives. According to this paper, he was Jack the Ripper; quite an accusation given that the science presented simply doesn't back that up."

Rutherford and King today joined a growing chorus of geneticists, including Walther Parson and Hansi Weissensteiner at Innsbruck Medical University who spoke to Science Magazine, who are unhappy with the publication of what they see as a scientifically dubious article.

Given the problematic DNA methods, the unknown "forensic stains", the sketchy history of the silk shawl, and the potentially incorrect naming of a man whose descendants may face present-day indignities, the case of Jack the Ripper is certainly not solved.

"The question of his identity, I am confident, will never be known," Rutherford concludes.

 

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32 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Maybe he was really the Loch Ness Monster.

 

It's this guy, DNA has found out:

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(p.s. dey nevah gonna know, evah, he got away with it.  Crime pays, plus livers are apparently Dee-LISH with a good Chianti and Fava Beans.)

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1 hour ago, phdhorn said:

Regal looking bloke:

aaron_kosminski_whitechapel_ripper_suspe

I'm sure he was all like, "I say, I would so much enjoy cutting you up and eating your kidneys!  What say we 'ave a go at it, eh?  That is, of course, if it's not too much bother.  I would be sooo appreciative and in your debt.  I also appreciate you considering this offer.   I'll just wait over there and be out of your hair while you mull it over... shall we say, in five minutes?  Again, thank you so kindly."

He was Polish. So he probably said "durrrrrrrrrr. ahhhhhhhhhh. murder"

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2 hours ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Every ten years this case gets “solved” again.  Always a different guy.  One time it was the king’s son or some such.  One time it was a prominent surgeon. Once it was a powerful MP.  Now it’s Sweeney Todd.  

It’s a “notice me”/bookselling scam like Roswell and “who built the pyramids?”

At this point I’m going to write a book detailing how a cult made up of the king’s son, a prominent MP, a surgeon, an artist, and a barber did the murders together then drew the Nazca lines while hiding the Ark of the Covenant. 

Would sell 50,000 copies, minimum, if written well.

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42 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Disappointing. It's 2019, I thought we were past framing Polacks for violent crime. 

You should start a thread: "Running Thread of Blokes Hailing the Bobbies on Pollacks for No Reason" for those days the outrage tank is running low. :)

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3 hours ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Every ten years this case gets “solved” again.  Always a different guy.  One time it was the king’s son or some such.  One time it was a prominent surgeon. Once it was a powerful MP.  Now it’s Sweeney Todd.  

It’s a “notice me”/bookselling scam like Roswell and “who built the pyramids?”

At this point I’m going to write a book detailing how a cult made up of the king’s son, a prominent MP, a surgeon, an artist, and a barber did the murders together then drew the Nazca lines while hiding the Ark of the Covenant. 

and Amelia Earhart.

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10 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Sorry for bothering y’all. Just thought it was cool DNA and dipshits (who care about what specific part of a country they belong to) are solving crimes. It’s like watching John Walsh if DNA swabbing (voluntarily-lmao) was a crime show. 

Yeah, I hate people who like stuff, too.

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