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1 hour ago, spystud13 said:

Hell, FanGraphs says he isn’t good either. Guess his reputation just precedes him. 

Didn't he have a leg injury at least part of this season, too?

And the defensive numbers make everyone playing LF in Fenway look terrible if they're not park-adjusted. 

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Phillies doing second interviews with Showalter, Baker and Girardi over the weekend

It feels like paint-by-numbers ownership, and I get the impression the GM is just along for the ride here. But Kapler managed every game like MacGruber after the "10 seconds!" yell. I guess I'll welcome a retread and take our chances with whoever. I hate Showalter's politics but no need to go into that, and I'd still root for the team of course.

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Rosenthal has an good article in The Athletic this morning.  I'm posting here because I'm more interested in the part about pitching philosophy than in the specifics about the ALCS.  It seems like the sabrmetric types have been pushing for more bullpenning for several years now.  I think you quickly run into diminishing returns when you expose relievers too much in playoff series.  I'd rather have 3 starters that you can trust to throw 6-7 innings in the playoffs than an army of relievers like the Rays and Yankees have tried to build.  Obviously top line starters are going to be more expensive but relievers aren't exactly cheap these days either.  I'd like to see a breakdown of each playoff team's spending on starters vs relievers.  Maybe a breakdown of salary per out recorded in the playoffs would be interesting.  You would have to consider pre-arb, arb, and free agents as separate categories too because the cost structures are so different.

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Consider: The Nationals’ rotation is averaging more than six innings per start this postseason, the Astros’ rotation exactly six.

The Yankees’ rotation? Not even 4 2/3.

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Rosenthal: The Yankees’ decision not to push harder for elite starting pitching has cost them

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By Ken Rosenthal 1h agocomment-icon@2x.png 68 save-icon@2x.png

NEW YORK – So, who’s it going to be in free agency?

Gerrit Cole? Stephen Strasburg if he opts out? Strasburg and Madison Bumgarner?

Oh, wait. The Yankees don’t roll like that anymore.

They didn’t trade for Justin Verlander, didn’t trade for Cole, didn’t sign free-agent left-hander Patrick Corbin last offseason, not to mention their other misses in the starting-pitching market.

And now, they are one loss from going an entire decade without reaching a World Series for the first time since the 1910s — a full century, for those keeping score.

To say, “This never would have happened under George Steinbrenner,” is a cliché, and probably an oversimplification. But it contains at least an element of truth. Steinbrenner, who died in 2010, did not run the team with as much concern for the bottom line as his son, Hal.

Yankees history is replete with examples of pitchers who flopped in New York, from Ed Whitson to Carl Pavano to Sonny Gray. It also features expensive successes such as CC Sabathia, Masahiro Tanaka and Mike Mussina. Yet lately, the Yankees are a rich man without a rich man’s toys.

Astros owner Jim Crane, a driving force in the trades for Verlander and Zack Greinke, is more like George Steinbrenner than Hal. Granted, Crane has yet to pay the luxury tax, and the Greinke deal might prove to be a mistake. But Crane certainly is aggressive. And a second World Series title for the Astros in three years is becoming increasingly realistic, while the Yankees’ furious effort to get under the luxury-tax threshold last season is  . . . accomplishing what, exactly?

The Yankees, after re-setting their penalty rate to the minimum, went back over the threshold this season, fielding the game’s third-highest payroll on Opening Day, then adding to it. Their recent aversion to acquiring elite starting pitching is not the only reason they trail the Astros, three games to one, in the American League Championship Series. If anything, their embarrassing 8-3 loss in Game 4 on Thursday night was more the product of feeble offense (0-for-7 with runners in scoring position, 0-for-13 the past two games) and shockingly poor defense (four errors, their most in a postseason game since Game 2 of the 1976 ALCS against the Royals).

No matter. The biggest difference between the Yankees and the Astros – and the Yankees and the NL champion Nationals, for that matter – is New York’s lack of dominant starting pitching.

Consider: The Nationals’ rotation is averaging more than six innings per start this postseason, the Astros’ rotation exactly six.

The Yankees’ rotation? Not even 4 2/3.

The 2017 ALCS might have turned out differently if the Yankees and not the Astros had acquired Verlander at the deadline that year. The ’19 ALCS likewise might be flipped if Verlander was set to pitch Game 5 in pinstripes on Friday night rather than the Astros’ road grays.

The Yankees are not devoid of quality starting pitchers – Masahiro Tanaka, James Paxton and Luis Severino all fit that description, and on their best days resemble true aces. But at this point, in part due to the Yankees’ reliance on their bullpen, none is going terribly deep into games.

Tanaka, who allowed three runs in five innings on Thursday night, has a 1.76 ERA in eight career postseason starts, but in his last four has gone six innings once and five innings three times. Paxton has worked a total of seven innings in two starts this October. And Severino, who was out until Sept. 17 due to rotator-cuff and lat injuries, is simply not built up enough to carry a No. 1’s load at this time.

Right-hander Domingo Germán produced a 4.03 ERA in 143 innings and for most of the regular season was the team’s best starting pitcher. Germán exacerbated the Yankees’ rotation issues by getting placed on administrative leave on Sept. 19 as baseball investigates him for an alleged domestic-violence incident.

The Yankees need not have reached this point. Cashman is an excellent GM who made a series of strong moves in building back-to-back 100-win teams. But he spent more on relievers last offseason ($66 million for Zack Britton and Adam Ottavino) than on starters ($42 million for J.A. Happ and CC Sabathia, plus $8.575 million for Paxton, who arrived in a trade).

Neither Happ nor Sabathia cracked the postseason rotation. Sabathia likely made the final appearance of his career on Thursday night, leaving the mound in tears after re-injuring his shoulder while pitching in relief. He was the franchise’s last true ace. And the Yankees passed on several chances to secure a worthy heir.

In August 2017, Verlander was willing to waive his no-trade protection for four teams. The Yankees were one. The Astros, Cubs and Dodgers were the others. But Yankees general manager Brian Cashman later told MLB.com, “We couldn’t financially make it work … It’s easy when you go through that process and it’s like, ownership’s not taking on that contract. Ok.”

Verlander, then 34, was owed slightly more than $60 million at the time of the trade, and the money the Tigers included in exchange for four prospects lowered the Astros’ payout in 2018-19 to a combined $40 million.

A little more than three months later, the Yankees assumed a $265 million obligation on outfielder Giancarlo Stanton, though the Marlins’ financial contribution in the trade reduced Stanton’s luxury-tax number to $22 million annually — a deal the Yankees thought too good to refuse.

Uh, not quite.

A little more than a month after the Stanton trade, the Pirates sent Cole to the Astros for four players of questionable merit when the Yankees reportedly declined to part with third baseman Miguel Andújar in addition to outfielder Clint Frazier. In fairness, Cole was not the pitcher then that he is now, and Andújar would finish second in the AL Rookie of the Year balloting the following season.

But here’s guessing the Yankees would like that one back, too.

Corbin, a native of Syracuse, N.Y., grew up a Yankees fan in a family of Yankees fans. But he went to the Nationals for six years, $140 million last offseason when the Yankees balked at awarding him a sixth guaranteed year. Perhaps the Yankees’ decision will be proven correct in the long run. But the Nationals do not regret their two other major contracts for starting pitchers – $210 million for Max Scherzer and $175 million for Strasburg ($75 million if he opts out).

Yes, long-term deals for starting pitchers often prove poor investments. But consider the team’s three most expensive pitching signings, all orchestrated by Cashman — Sabathia for $161 million, Tanaka for $155 million (plus a $20 million posting fee) and Mussina for $88.5 million.

Mussina is in the Hall of Fame. Sabathia is a strong candidate to get there. And while Tanaka is not quite at that level, he, too, has proven worth the money, making 153 starts, including postseason, since getting diagnosed with a partial UCL tear in 2014, and choosing to rehabilitate the injury rather than undergo Tommy John surgery.

Second-guessing is easy, particularly with the Yankees’ season in peril. But many first-guessed the team’s decision not to push harder for elite starting pitching — at the deadline, the past two offseasons and on Aug. 31, 2017, when the Verlander deal went down.

A final dagger from Verlander in Game 5 would be a fitting end.

 

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Rosenthal has an good article in The Athletic this morning.  I'm posting here because I'm more interested in the part about pitching philosophy than in the specifics about the ALCS.  It seems like the sabrmetric types have been pushing for more bullpenning for several years now.  I think you quickly run into diminishing returns when you expose relievers too much in playoff series.  I'd rather have 3 starters that you can trust to throw 6-7 innings in the playoffs than an army of relievers like the Rays and Yankees have tried to build.  Obviously top line starters are going to be more expensive but relievers aren't exactly cheap these days either.  I'd like to see a breakdown of each playoff team's spending on starters vs relievers.  Maybe a breakdown of salary per out recorded in the playoffs would be interesting.  You would have to consider pre-arb, arb, and free agents as separate categories too because the cost structures are so different.

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Rosenthal: The Yankees’ decision not to push harder for elite starting pitching has cost them

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By Ken Rosenthal 1h agocomment-icon@2x.png 68 save-icon@2x.png

NEW YORK – So, who’s it going to be in free agency?

Gerrit Cole? Stephen Strasburg if he opts out? Strasburg and Madison Bumgarner?

Oh, wait. The Yankees don’t roll like that anymore.

They didn’t trade for Justin Verlander, didn’t trade for Cole, didn’t sign free-agent left-hander Patrick Corbin last offseason, not to mention their other misses in the starting-pitching market.

And now, they are one loss from going an entire decade without reaching a World Series for the first time since the 1910s — a full century, for those keeping score.

To say, “This never would have happened under George Steinbrenner,” is a cliché, and probably an oversimplification. But it contains at least an element of truth. Steinbrenner, who died in 2010, did not run the team with as much concern for the bottom line as his son, Hal.

Yankees history is replete with examples of pitchers who flopped in New York, from Ed Whitson to Carl Pavano to Sonny Gray. It also features expensive successes such as CC Sabathia, Masahiro Tanaka and Mike Mussina. Yet lately, the Yankees are a rich man without a rich man’s toys.

Astros owner Jim Crane, a driving force in the trades for Verlander and Zack Greinke, is more like George Steinbrenner than Hal. Granted, Crane has yet to pay the luxury tax, and the Greinke deal might prove to be a mistake. But Crane certainly is aggressive. And a second World Series title for the Astros in three years is becoming increasingly realistic, while the Yankees’ furious effort to get under the luxury-tax threshold last season is  . . . accomplishing what, exactly?

The Yankees, after re-setting their penalty rate to the minimum, went back over the threshold this season, fielding the game’s third-highest payroll on Opening Day, then adding to it. Their recent aversion to acquiring elite starting pitching is not the only reason they trail the Astros, three games to one, in the American League Championship Series. If anything, their embarrassing 8-3 loss in Game 4 on Thursday night was more the product of feeble offense (0-for-7 with runners in scoring position, 0-for-13 the past two games) and shockingly poor defense (four errors, their most in a postseason game since Game 2 of the 1976 ALCS against the Royals).

No matter. The biggest difference between the Yankees and the Astros – and the Yankees and the NL champion Nationals, for that matter – is New York’s lack of dominant starting pitching.

Consider: The Nationals’ rotation is averaging more than six innings per start this postseason, the Astros’ rotation exactly six.

The Yankees’ rotation? Not even 4 2/3.

The 2017 ALCS might have turned out differently if the Yankees and not the Astros had acquired Verlander at the deadline that year. The ’19 ALCS likewise might be flipped if Verlander was set to pitch Game 5 in pinstripes on Friday night rather than the Astros’ road grays.

The Yankees are not devoid of quality starting pitchers – Masahiro Tanaka, James Paxton and Luis Severino all fit that description, and on their best days resemble true aces. But at this point, in part due to the Yankees’ reliance on their bullpen, none is going terribly deep into games.

Tanaka, who allowed three runs in five innings on Thursday night, has a 1.76 ERA in eight career postseason starts, but in his last four has gone six innings once and five innings three times. Paxton has worked a total of seven innings in two starts this October. And Severino, who was out until Sept. 17 due to rotator-cuff and lat injuries, is simply not built up enough to carry a No. 1’s load at this time.

Right-hander Domingo Germán produced a 4.03 ERA in 143 innings and for most of the regular season was the team’s best starting pitcher. Germán exacerbated the Yankees’ rotation issues by getting placed on administrative leave on Sept. 19 as baseball investigates him for an alleged domestic-violence incident.

The Yankees need not have reached this point. Cashman is an excellent GM who made a series of strong moves in building back-to-back 100-win teams. But he spent more on relievers last offseason ($66 million for Zack Britton and Adam Ottavino) than on starters ($42 million for J.A. Happ and CC Sabathia, plus $8.575 million for Paxton, who arrived in a trade).

Neither Happ nor Sabathia cracked the postseason rotation. Sabathia likely made the final appearance of his career on Thursday night, leaving the mound in tears after re-injuring his shoulder while pitching in relief. He was the franchise’s last true ace. And the Yankees passed on several chances to secure a worthy heir.

In August 2017, Verlander was willing to waive his no-trade protection for four teams. The Yankees were one. The Astros, Cubs and Dodgers were the others. But Yankees general manager Brian Cashman later told MLB.com, “We couldn’t financially make it work … It’s easy when you go through that process and it’s like, ownership’s not taking on that contract. Ok.”

Verlander, then 34, was owed slightly more than $60 million at the time of the trade, and the money the Tigers included in exchange for four prospects lowered the Astros’ payout in 2018-19 to a combined $40 million.

A little more than three months later, the Yankees assumed a $265 million obligation on outfielder Giancarlo Stanton, though the Marlins’ financial contribution in the trade reduced Stanton’s luxury-tax number to $22 million annually — a deal the Yankees thought too good to refuse.

Uh, not quite.

A little more than a month after the Stanton trade, the Pirates sent Cole to the Astros for four players of questionable merit when the Yankees reportedly declined to part with third baseman Miguel Andújar in addition to outfielder Clint Frazier. In fairness, Cole was not the pitcher then that he is now, and Andújar would finish second in the AL Rookie of the Year balloting the following season.

But here’s guessing the Yankees would like that one back, too.

Corbin, a native of Syracuse, N.Y., grew up a Yankees fan in a family of Yankees fans. But he went to the Nationals for six years, $140 million last offseason when the Yankees balked at awarding him a sixth guaranteed year. Perhaps the Yankees’ decision will be proven correct in the long run. But the Nationals do not regret their two other major contracts for starting pitchers – $210 million for Max Scherzer and $175 million for Strasburg ($75 million if he opts out).

Yes, long-term deals for starting pitchers often prove poor investments. But consider the team’s three most expensive pitching signings, all orchestrated by Cashman — Sabathia for $161 million, Tanaka for $155 million (plus a $20 million posting fee) and Mussina for $88.5 million.

Mussina is in the Hall of Fame. Sabathia is a strong candidate to get there. And while Tanaka is not quite at that level, he, too, has proven worth the money, making 153 starts, including postseason, since getting diagnosed with a partial UCL tear in 2014, and choosing to rehabilitate the injury rather than undergo Tommy John surgery.

Second-guessing is easy, particularly with the Yankees’ season in peril. But many first-guessed the team’s decision not to push harder for elite starting pitching — at the deadline, the past two offseasons and on Aug. 31, 2017, when the Verlander deal went down.

A final dagger from Verlander in Game 5 would be a fitting end.

 

What’s interesting is that while you’re correct that some sabermetric types have been pushing bullpenning, you have the Astros-arguably the most savvy front office in the game, and at the least one of the handful of most analytically inclined-going the opposite route. Even when you consider the Rays, I don’t think they employ their strategy by choice as much as optimizing their limited resources. They signed Charlie Morton for a reason. They’d have loved for Snell and Glasnow to have been healthy this season and given them a reliable 5+ innings in the ALDS.

The Yankees aren’t Tampa Bay, they have options. Their choice to go all in on bullpenning by design seems to have backfired.

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On 10/11/2019 at 10:46 AM, Helobious said:

How many of those stadiums have you actually been to? Or are you just talking out of your ass again? Duffey from the Twins just admitted he was rattled in his ALDS start because he could hear the Yankee fans yelling cuss words at him and (allegedly) talking shit about his family. That’s an atmosphere. Completely chews up weak-minded players & spits them out.

NYY fans are just shitheads.

It doesn't make them a great crowd. 

Jose wanted you to know.

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How many of those stadiums have you actually been to? Or are you just talking out of your ass again? Duffey from the Twins just admitted he was rattled in his ALDS start because he could hear the Yankee fans yelling cuss words at him and (allegedly) talking shit about his family. That’s an atmosphere. Completely chews up weak-minded players & spits them out.
It isn't an atmosphere. It's shitty fans being shitty. You can be loud and not be a complete douchebag. Yankee fans seem to not get that concept. Fuck the Yankees.
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Damn, just worked Minn/NYY. 

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Major League umpire Eric Cooper has died at the age of 52, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred announced in a statement on Sunday.

"This is a very sad day across Major League Baseball," Manfred said in the statement. "Eric Cooper was a highly respected umpire, a hard worker on the field and a popular member of our staff. He also served as a key voice of the MLB Umpires Association on important issues in our game. Eric was a consistent presence in the Postseason throughout his career, including in this year's Division Series between the Yankees and the Twins. He was known for his professionalism and his enthusiasm, including for our international events.

"On behalf of Major League Baseball, I extend my deepest condolences to Eric's family, friends and all of his fellow Major League Umpires. We will honor Eric's memory during the World Series. Eric will be missed by the entire Baseball family."

Cooper, a major league umpire for 21 years including this season, most recently worked the ALDS between the Yankees and Twins earlier this month. He joined the Major Leagues in 1999 after a minor league career that began in 1990.

The Iowa native worked behind the plate for three no-hitters in his career: both of White Sox lefty Mark Buehrle's and one by Red Sox pitcher Hideo Nomo. He also worked the 2014 World Series, where he was behind the plate for Game 2 between the Royals and Giants.

 

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Brandon Taubman owes this guy a beer:

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Major League Baseball is looking into a since-deleted tweet by longtime umpire Rob Drake, commissioner Rob Manfred said Wednesday.

Drake tweeted late Tuesday that he planned to buy an AR-15 rifle "because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020", according to a copy of the tweet obtained by ESPN.

The tweet, which was deleted soon after it was posted, followed one earlier in the night regarding the House of Representatives' impeachment proceedings with President Donald Trump.

The other tweet read: "You can't do an impeachment inquiry from the basement of Capital Hill without even a vote! What is going on in this country?"

Drake deactivated his account Wednesday. He did not return phone and text messages.

Joe West, the president of the Major League Baseball Umpires Association, declined comment when reached by phone.

Drake, 50, made his major league debut in 1999 and has been a full-time major league umpire since 2010. He worked postseason games in 2010 and 2012-15, and was on the crew at the All-Star Game in 2013.

 

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MLB umpire Joe West isn’t limiting his dust-ups to only active players anymore.

The longtime ump is suing former player Paul Lo Duca for defamation over claims from the catcher on a podcast in May that he accepted a bribe from one of Lo Duca’s teammates, according to USA Today.

That teammate is ex-closer Billy Wagner, who played with Lo Duca in the 2006 and 2007 seasons. The claimed bribe: letting the umpire borrow his vintage 1957 Chevrolet. Lo Duca reportedly claimed that Wagner told Lo Duca he would lend West the car for a more favorable strike zone.

"Joe loves antique cars so every time he comes into town I lend him my ’57 Chevy so he can drive it around so then he opens up the strike zone for me," Lo Duca claimed Wagner said, per USA Today.

West is the longest-tenured active umpire in MLB, having worked since the 1976 season. Despite that experience, he was voted by players as the worst umpire in baseball in a Sports Illustrated poll back in 2011. However, he was also voted the fifth-best, so it’s safe to say the man is a divisive figure among players.

Lo Duca would have run into West behind hte plate frequently in his MLB career as a catcher, playing for four different National League teams between 1998 and 2008. He received All-Star honors four times, though his legacy is clouded by his admission that he took performance-enhancing drugs after being named in the Mitchell Report.

West rebuffs Lo Duca’s claims

USA Today reports that West’s complaint claims the umpire suffered unspecified damages as a result of Lo Duca’s comments.

"These statements impugn the integrity, honesty and professional fitness of Mr. West and affect his profession as a Major League Baseball umpire."

The lawsuit was reportedly filed Tuesday in New York, with West denying that Wagner ever lent him a car. The complaint also states that no game as Lo Duca describes ever occurred.

"In reality, during 2006 and 2007, the two years that Lo Duca played for the New York Mets with Billy Wagner, Joe West was the home plate umpire for a game between the Philadelphia Phillies and the Mets only once, Billy Wagner did not pitch at all, and the game ended on a home run, not on called strikes," the complaint reportedly said.

West’s suit also reportedly corrected the record on Lo Duca’s claiming that West had been responsible for “eight or nine” of his 15 career ejections, saying Lo Duca had only been ejected by West once.

 

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West’s complaint claims the umpire suffered unspecified damages as a result of Lo Duca’s comments.
Do you not have to demonstrate damages to win a lawsuit like this?  


No clue what state it’s in, and don’t care to look, but in Texas you could recover for general damages depending on how the defamation is characterized. You can also recover for loss of reputation/mental anguish. I think you get punitives with actual malice involved.

What damages he could get is complex based on type of defamation/intent/how we legally classify West. Not worth delving into further here.
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Jordan Lyles: sucked, traded for a non-prospect to MIL, where he proceeded to not suck.  

Seemed like a pattern with their pitchers.  That's more of a Searage problem than a Huntington problem though.

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Not good. 

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Former Texas Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton was arrested Wednesday on a felony charge of injury to a child.

Court records show that Hamilton, 38, a Keller resident, was booked and released in Tarrant County about 3:15 p.m. No details about the case were immediately available.

Family-court records show that Hamilton’s ex-wife, Katie Hamilton, had sought a protective order earlier this month on behalf of one of the couple’s three children.

 

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