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1 hour ago, tantric superman said:

I actually don't see a problem starting with the premise that you actually want to get to a position where convicts shouldn't be allowed to vote (for some consistent message that while you are incarcerated, you truly are separated from society). 

Even this extremely charitable re-messaging for Pete's position is bad. Prison should be about rehabilitation. Isolation from society is not how that can happen. We should be encouraging connection and acceptance and belonging to prevent institutionalization.

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This isn't it.  The "moderates" need to consider the alternatives.

All moderates need to go to Liz now. She's better than Pete on policy, has more experience, has a bigger heart, and is a woman.

And she's not a socialist like Bernie, so it's OK ideologically.

Do it, nerds. DO IT!

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and English.   

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look dude, i understand that the political forum is "the wild west", but in a sea of bad takes and unnecessary obnoxiousness for the sake of theater likely stemming from some sort of irrational fear,

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Now that it’s over... Pete wasn’t ready to be President, but a giant fuck you to the Bernie crew for how personal and intense the attacks got against him.  

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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Biden gets called out for saying some casually racist things like “poor kids are just as smart as white kids.”   I don’t think he gets accused of being a full blown racist. 

casual racist is like business racist.  either way, you're ok to drive.

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Since when do black people not like mayor Pete? It doesn’t make any sense. Don’t they want value based market solutions to racial inequality? What about a commitment to look at forming an exploratory committee on healthcare reform? It’s almost like they don’t believe in another white guy in a suit who believes in nothing except what is the most politically expedient. 

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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

casual racist is like business racist.  either way, you're ok to drive.

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I don’t make the rules.  Biden gets a pass because he’s a dinosaur from another era and people trusted Obama enough not to pick a racist as his VP.  It’s not fair, I don’t agree with it but black voters opinions are what count here. 

On the other hand, Pete, a 37 year old mayor with a large minority community claiming to be progressive should be woke AF when it comes to issues of racial justice.  So I get why he is taking more heat than Biden for being tone def on issues of race. 

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58 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t make the rules.  Biden gets a pass because he’s a dinosaur from another era and people trusted Obama enough not to pick a racist as his VP.  It’s not fair, I don’t agree with it but black voters opinions are what count here. 

On the other hand, Pete, a 37 year old mayor with a large minority community claiming to be progressive should be woke AF when it comes to issues of racial justice.  So I get why he is taking more heat than Biden for being tone def on issues of race. 

either i have to stop posting jokes, or you have to stop replying to them.  i don't care which we choose.

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1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Since when do black people not like mayor Pete? It doesn’t make any sense. Don’t they want value based market solutions to racial inequality? What about a commitment to look at forming an exploratory committee on healthcare reform? It’s almost like they don’t believe in another white guy in a suit who believes in nothing except what is the most politically expedient. 

It's crazy, you'd think black people would love a guy committed to maximizing efficiencies in existing racist structures!

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Two great pieces of writing from that guy.

Lame ass shit from Pete:
“I think the context was important, especially the fact that it was before I took office,” Buttigieg said.

The context doesn't help shit (watch the video and please point out what was left out that improves what he's saying) and the fact that it was before he took office is completely irrelevant.

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Ha I love that’s it’s okay to criticize Democrats now when many people on this board were shitting their pants when people questioned how Warren would pay for her M4A
funny how things change 
Just admit it’s only okay when it’s your candidate 


Beto would like a fucking word with these Pete stans.
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14 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Sorry but Kamala didn’t drop off because of the cop stuff, it was something else. 

What I mean is something gets going and then snowballs. Now that it’s Pete, the “no black support” is going to be like an avalanche. “He’s the Huckabee/Bernie/Santorum” of 2020 type of things. 

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22 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Even this extremely charitable re-messaging for Pete's position is bad. Prison should be about rehabilitation. Isolation from society is not how that can happen. We should be encouraging connection and acceptance and belonging to prevent institutionalization.

There is nothing remotely inconsistent with training someone for reentry into society and not letting them fully into society during said training. 

Incarceration is isolation from society.

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This isn't gonna help...

Buttigieg’s Honesty Questioned After Contributions from Brett Kavanaugh’s Lawyers Revealed

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South Bend, Indiana Mayor and Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg is under fire for attending a fundraiser hosted by Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh‘s attorneys.

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South Bend, Indiana Mayor and Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg is under fire for attending a fundraiser hosted by Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh‘s attorneys.

The attorneys in question, Alexandra Walsh and Beth Wilkinson, represented Kavanaugh as he faced numerous claims of sexual assault during his tumultuous confirmation hearings last October.

In late September 2018, Wilkinson took to CNN for damage control over Kavanaugh’s yearbook–in which he described himself as an “Alumnius” of Renate Dolphin née Schroeder.

CNN’s John Berman questioned whether Kavanaugh had, in fact, “always treated women with dignity” by citing the yearbook controversy and Dolphin’s horrified reaction to the conquest club named after her by Kavanaugh and his friends at Georgetown Prep.

Wilkinson defended Kavanaugh in the following way:

Again, you’re leaving out most of the facts. She says that they never had any interaction. He remembers going on one date with her and said that he gave her a kiss goodnight. She says she doesn’t even recall that happening. No one says, in including here, that there was any sexual conduct between her and any of these other boys. And, again, to suggest, that statement in the yearbook, as he said, he has a lot of respect for her and he regrets any way that statement hurt her feelings. But there’s nobody, including her, that says there was any inappropriate contact, conduct or disrespect for her.

“No, but again, his gets to his assertions over the past few days where he says he’s always treated women with dignity,” Berman pressed. “I don’t think that Renate Dolphin, as her name is now, thinks that’s being treated with dignity when she says, she calls the statements ‘horrible and hurtful.’ Again, this just gets to the picture that Judge Kavanaugh is painting for himself now.”

“Well, I think you’re trying to malign his character,” Wilkinson replied.

Walsh and Wilkinson co-authored a statement that cast Kavanaugh’s first accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, as a liar.

“Judge Kavanaugh fully and honestly answered the Judiciary Committee’s questions over multiple days only to have unsubstantiated allegations come out when a vote on his confirmation was imminent,” the duo wrote. “What matters in situations like these are facts and evidence…testimony and evidence will confirm what Judge Kavanaugh has made clear all along—that he did not commit the sexual assault Dr. Blasey Ford describes.”

According to a Wednesday morning report by The Guardian, Wilkinson donated $2,800 to Buttigieg’s presidential campaign and Walsh donated $7,200–an excessive amount in violation of campaign contribution limits of which roughly half had already been returned.

Walsh also personally co-hosted a July fundraiser for the would-be Democratic Party standard bearer.

Buttigieg’s campaign said they would return the donations.

“With nearly 700,000 donors, a contribution we would otherwise refuse sometimes gets through,” a spokesperson told the London-based newspaper. “We believe the women who have courageously spoken out about Brett Kavanaugh’s assault and misconduct, and we thank the Guardian for bringing this contribution to our attention.”

But the South Bend mayor’s plausible deniability excuse is being viewed with extreme skepticism, dismissal and scorn.

Vermont Law School Professor Jennifer Taub doubted the sincerity of Buttigieg’s response–noting his campaign only moved to distance itself from Kavanaugh’s attorneys after being caught red-handed.

“Pete Buttigieg attended a fundraiser hosted by Brett Kavanaugh‘s lawyer(s) this summer, but now only when questioned by journalists he claims he was not aware of their role, ‘overlooked’ it and is returning the lawyers’ money,” she wrote via Twitter. “Just to be clear, he can’t have it both ways. Some people might defend taking these contributions, OK. Then stand by that. But now he is saying he had no idea and does not want them. So really it’s also about the phoniness. We don’t need another liar in the White House.”

Taub later responded to a critic of her criticism by further slamming Buttigieg’s judgment and his campaign’s volte-face on the donations.

“Seriously?” asked one Twitter user. “We have an outright liar in the [White House] right now and you are going to discount a candidate because they didn’t know where some money came from and when they found out they returned the money? This is what you use to rule out a candidate?”

To which the law professor replied:

He attended the fundraiser. He knows exactly who these people are. He has almost no track record in government service. He talks big, but produces little. So yes, I’m not trusting another confidence man.

“She co-hosted a fundraiser and they claim they didn’t know her role?” asked progressive commentator and consultant Jodi Jacobson in a series of tweets. “Are we supposed to believe that this campaign did not know who the sponsors were of a major fundraiser in DC? Either they are lying or they are very stupid.”

This isn’t the first donation from a lawyer that has called the small town mayor’s judgment into question.

“So Buttigieg’s campaign initially took money from the lawyer who tried to bury the tape of Laquan McDonald’s murder, and now, an attorney affiliated with Kavanaugh?” tweeted author Michael Arceneaux. “Returned funds or not, why would these types feel comfortable with that candidate?”

This wasn’t the only Buttigieg-related controversy of the past few days.

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LMAO. 

Jodi Jacobson and Jennifer Taub are two well known Warren surrogates. This is just another weak hit piece. 

It's been fascinating to see the the Warren stans strategy to relentlessly attack Pete over the last month or so. Based on recent polling, it sure is working out SPLENDIDLY for them right now.  

Maybe they'll finally find something that sticks. But this a just a pathetic display. I'd recommend them trying to find ways to lift up Liz instead of resorting to smear campaigns. 

 

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7 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Gotcha but it’s clearer everyday that Pete’s role is to do the blocking and tackling for Biden in the early states and hopefully land a VP nomination. 

Because it’s exactly the kind of thing Pete would do. 

not sure if serioius. Pete would take the moderate Dem vote from Biden and Joe isn't going to pick a gay dude as his mate.

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4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Towards the end of that piece...

"Buttigieg has made it glaringly obvious in countless ways that he understands structural racism."

This is... arguable.

agreed.  how dare this guy bring up his own opinion?  i definitely rely on all the undisputed facts set forth by a writer whose daily goal is to “fuck with white people”.  he seems objective and level-headed. 

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3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

agreed.  how dare this guy bring up his own opinion?  i definitely rely on all the undisputed facts set forth by a writer whose daily goal is to “fuck with white people”.  he seems objective and level-headed. 

Are you ok?

There's no doubt that Pete knows good things to say in speeches, but how has he "made it glaringly obvious in countless ways that he understands structural racism"?

Says good things in speeches = a way to show that you understand something.

What else?

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

i guess if i want to act “ok” or more like a bro, it’s better to just resort to drive-by name-calling, right?

I literally just said that the guy's characterization was "arguable".

lol

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I think woke Twitter talks a big game but will get what they have always got by backing a tough on crime Democrat from years gone bye. Just lip service 

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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I literally just said that the guy's characterization was "arguable".

lol

lol indeed. 3 dots then arguable...doesn’t always mean “arguable”. i think we all have an “bt to english” dictionary by now. 

it’s not like you called the writer a lying motherfucker, or called pete a “lying fuck”...this time. 

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1 hour ago, NowThis said:

not sure if serioius. Pete would take the moderate Dem vote from Biden and Joe isn't going to pick a gay dude as his mate.

The premise of my conjecture is Biden not being competitive in Iowa or New Hampshire. Biden needs Pete to win those in order to hold off Warren/Sanders from catching any momentum on the lead up to Super Tuesday. 

Of course this gambit could backfire for Biden if Pete cuts too much into Biden’s support and Pete gains formidable momentum himself.  Not likely yet but possible. 

However, it helps Biden tremendously that Pete has trouble with black support because that is Biden’s base in the southern states.  Pete would have a difficult time cutting into that, more than a Warren or Sanders. 

I agree that Biden wouldn’t pick Pete as VP unless there is some overwhelming strategic advantage that hasn’t presented itself yet.  It’s reasonable to speculate Pete would be a player in a Biden Administration as a rising star of the party though.  Pete’s about to be unemployed in a few months too as his mayoral term ends.  

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10 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

lol indeed. 3 dots then arguable...doesn’t always mean “arguable”. i think we all have an “bt to english” dictionary by now. 

What's the "name-calling" part of any of this?

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it’s not like you called the writer a lying motherfucker, or called pete a “lying fuck”...this time. 

Are you seriously referencing a gif I posted 8 months ago?

lol you need therapy

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13 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Pete never said that being gay helps him relate to the black struggle. 

 

“While I do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country, turning on the news and seeing my own rights come up for debate, and seeing my rights expanded by a coalition of people like me and people not at all like me,” Buttigieg said.

That drew a sharp response, including from Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.), a presidential hopeful and the only black woman in the U.S. Senate. “What he did on the stage, it’s just not productive, and I think it’s a bit naive,” she told CNN after the debate.

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“While I do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country, turning on the news and seeing my own rights come up for debate, and seeing my rights expanded by a coalition of people like me and people not at all like me,” Buttigieg said.

That drew a sharp response, including from Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.), a presidential hopeful and the only black woman in the U.S. Senate. “What he did on the stage, it’s just not productive, and I think it’s a bit naive,” she told CNN after the debate.

“While I do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country, turning on the news and seeing my own rights come up for debate, and seeing my rights expanded by a coalition of people like me and people not at all like me,” Buttigieg said.

AND THE REST OF THE QUOTE: 

"Working side by side, shoulder to shoulder, making it possible for me to be standing here wearing this wedding ring in a way that couldn't have happened 2 elections ago, let's me know how deep my obligation is to help those whose rights are on the line everyday, even if they are nothing like me in their experience."

 

JFC. 

 

 

 

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Paraphrasing Pete here: 

“Even though I’m not black I know something about discrimination because I’m gay.  I’m here to stand up for the rights of the other marginalized groups because of it.”

 

There’s nothing objectively wrong or sinister with the statement but it implicitly equates the struggle of gays with blacks in America.  I can see how folks might see that as a little ignorant when it comes to racism in America. 

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