Buttigieg 2020

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[BradInATX 9208]

49 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Seems odd that his NDA would cover divulging the names of the companies he consulted for.  I did consulting for years and the NDAs I've ever signed only covered the work I was doing for them, not who they were.

It's very common, especially in the consulting industry. I have a couple of consulting clients whose boilerplate NDA included sections that prevent vendors from using their logo, referencing them in marketing material, or even mentioning to anyone that they're a client. I've tried to fight it on three occasions, and only one company let me take it out.

Edited December 6, 2019 by BradInATX

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

This. This right here.

[bad_teammate 13125]

But yeah, McKinsey wouldn't sue.

[henrygandorf 29174]

i would think the bigger concern would be outing the companies and their ties to mckinsey.  (concern for the companies, not for pete)

i'm assuming once the names of the clients are disclosed, the twitter outrage will redirect itself with proper swiftness.

also, i don't really buy the "no one believes mckinsey would sue pete" line.  mckinsey seems like just the type of petty place that would sue (or at least threaten a suit) anytime they get the itch.  i don't see it going anywhere, or preventing pete from disclosing information, but i think that sweeping statement is inherently false.  i'm sure they'll put out some statement, then magically "come to an agreement" that avoids legal action, or some crap.

it's getting pretty dumb that this gets lumped into "transparency" or "trump's tax returns" territory.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Pete’s entire candidacy is weird AF now.  It would be one thing if he was an AOC type visionary but he’s moved about as far away from that as possible.  

I really want to hear a persuasive case for Pete to be President of the United States other than he gives never-Trumpers the warm and fuzzies.  

[henrygandorf 29174]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I really want to hear a persuasive case for Pete to be President of the United States

yes, you seem like the ideal target audience for such a case.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

What is the case for Pete?  

[henrygandorf 29174]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What is the case for Pete?  

transparency.

[bad_teammate 13125]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What is the case for Pete?  

Yang has a hat that says MATH

Pete needs a hat that says GRADES

[wildcat09 29179]

14 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i would think the bigger concern would be outing the companies and their ties to mckinsey.  (concern for the companies, not for pete)

i'm assuming once the names of the clients are disclosed, the twitter outrage will redirect itself with proper swiftness.

also, i don't really buy the "no one believes mckinsey would sue pete" line.  mckinsey seems like just the type of petty place that would sue (or at least threaten a suit) anytime they get the itch.  i don't see it going anywhere, or preventing pete from disclosing information, but i think that sweeping statement is inherently false.  i'm sure they'll put out some statement, then magically "come to an agreement" that avoids legal action, or some crap.

it's getting pretty dumb that this gets lumped into "transparency" or "trump's tax returns" territory.  

Not at all. He's running for President of the United States and McKinsey is literally his only work experience outside of being mayor of a town smaller than League City for a few years. He's trying to convince us that he should be fucking President and we have every right to know what he did for McKinsey. If he was worried they might sue him for talking about that work, he shouldn't have decided to run for President.

[TexEx15 17421]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What is the case for Pete?  

Against my better judgement here are a few reasons. And save all your time and energy trying to counter each reason.  It’s politics and the same reasoning behind your responses and severe dislike of Pete applies to folks like Bernie and his policies. 

Intelligence.  Imagine a President speaking with a foreign leader in their native language.  Hell imagine just speaking in English compared whatever the fuck trump speaks.

He clearly connects with voters whether you like it or not and that provides a sense of trust that he will make decisions to the best of his ability in the best interest of the country.

Military experience.

Reasonable policy positions (believe it or not most of the population falls in the middle on most policy issues and not the extremes).

His youth is a strength to a lot of people when considering that the other candidates will be damn near 80 when inaugurated and will not have to live 50 years with their decisions.

You can bitch and moan that you don’t like his policies which is fine.  It also doesn’t mean everyone will miraculously fall in love with Bernie or whoever your candidate is just because you spent a whole bunch of time yelling at Internet forum clouds. 

[henrygandorf 29174]

26 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Not at all. He's running for President of the United States and McKinsey is literally his only work experience outside of being mayor of a town smaller than League City for a few years. He's trying to convince us that he should be fucking President and we have every right to know what he did for McKinsey. If he was worried they might sue him for talking about that work, he shouldn't have decided to run for President.

i agree that we have a right to know, and i think we will soon.  this has become a "thing" very recently, and i don't think it's outrageous for pete to open with "i have a legal document i signed, and once i get that worked out, we will disclose the information."  pete is fairly disciplined and deliberate, and this is the exact response i would've expected.  if it drags on, it will definitely be something i will give him shit for.  judging from the clips, i don't see that happening.

trump hasn't released his financials or tax returns, and likely never will.  bernie took a minute to release his returns, and then he did.  those were voluntary disclosures, not covered by a signed agreement.  i would assume his legal people are clearing it - more likely with the companies, not mckinsey - then we'll hear details.

also lulz at what has to be the 3rd league city reference i've seen in the past 48 hours.  gotta stay on message.

[henrygandorf 29174]

21 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

His youth is a strength to a lot of people when considering that the other candidates will be damn near 80 when inaugurated and will not have to live 50 years with their decisions.

i agree with this, although a 45 year old pete would likely be the perfect version of him as a candidate.

i like that he's still evolving, learning, growing into who he is.  i like the way he processes information, issues, problems, conflict, opportunity.  you can see it in interviews, debates, town halls.  i like that he's willing to listen and entertain ideas, even if they're not his ideas.  this isn't an attack on bernie, but i like that pete is not completely "set in his ways" yet.  (note, i believe this to be bernie's greatest strength, but if you were like that at 37, it would be scary and off-putting)

kinda like you said, he communicates with people and speaks in a way that resonates.  that's a fact shown in the polls, even if not on here or on twitter echo chambers.  i think he can take complex ideas and sum them up in an understandable way to explain his position (i wish i had video of his 3-4 minute middle east tangent from when i saw him in person).

he's also the polar opposite of donald trump in every single possible imaginable way.

[henrygandorf 29174]

also texex - props for the bravery.  you're basically asking a room full of red sox fans to sell them on the yankees.

[bad_teammate 13125]

Yes, Pete... that's the point.

[TexEx15 17421]

 

[bad_teammate 13125]

*b_t reading old Pete thread pages and looking at what some people are talking about now*

[washparkhorn 9931]

Empty suit. Carrying Billionaires’ water. He has hope, but needs to come to terms with his prior acts. He can or . . . not. 

[bad_teammate 13125]

Pete hired bad people. He had potential and the scum of the Democratic machinery has ruined him.

He knew better than to get himself into this position.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Via KenK

Edited December 7, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[bad_teammate 13125]

Why is Pete paying huge money to private military contractors for security? Weird.

Over $600k in total so far, and the primaries haven't even started yet.

Edited December 7, 2019 by bad_teammate

[bad_teammate 13125]

The pretending-not-to-hear thing is hilarious.

 

[wildcat09 29179]

Pete steering campaign cash to Erik Prince should result in him being kicked out of the Democratic party, and worse things that would probably get me suspended for saying.

[bad_teammate 13125]

Prince's outfit is just in the same trade organization, so it's not like Pete's paying Prince.

But how the fuck does a mayor of a town the size of Tyler need $600k in security already?

And why hire this "International Stability" firm?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Kinda looks like Pete weaponized his campaign with some real mercenaries.  That makes him smart you see.

[bad_teammate 13125]

Twitter jerks out there saying he's a CIA asset, but wouldn't that all be under-the-table security?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bad_teammate 13125]

In light of Pete's lack of transparency, Twitter is giving itself brain disease trying to connect dots lol

Summary:

- In 2009 Pete worked for McKinsey and "a gov agency" in Iraq & Afghanistan to increase entrepreneurship and employment
- In 2008/9, Blackwater fell out of favor, requiring finding new paramilitary brands to hire to murder/oppress/torture brown people
- In 2009, Patriot Group exploded from nothing to a fast-growing paramilitary with help from unnamed private investors
- Patriot Group stopped running campaign security in 2012 after an assault on a Ron Paul supporter
- Pete hires Patriot Group in 2019 and pays them (relatively) insane amounts of money for campaign security

[bad_teammate 13125]

lol we are going to defeat him WITH LOGIC

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Rich coming from the guy running attack ads against single payer advocates.

 

[Hank Scorpio 17709]

 

 

[Fozzz 152]

Some real Biden "fuck you pay me" vibes in that clip.   I don't know how one could hate that little dude.

[bad_teammate 13125]

While at McKinsey, did Pete work in Michigan to get insurers to slash jobs and hike premiums?

- BCBS is a "non-profit" (lol) insurer that hired McKinsey while Pete was there
- Pete says he worked for a non-profit insurer in Michigan while he was at McKinsey
- Pete says he was working on helping them find "savings" in "administration"
- BCBS laid off hundreds of workers and jacked up premiums to increase profits at that time
- Laying off workers and jacking up prices is what consultants tell you to do when they come to consult

If this is the case, good luck in the Rust Belt, little buddy!

 

 

Edited December 9, 2019 by bad_teammate

[Fozzz 152]

This and Hugo's account are probably the two best accounts on twitter.

 

[bad_teammate 13125]

Warren is truly a nasty woman.

[Fozzz 152]

Boomers must fucking love the idea of "bringing both sides together" as both Pete and Biden won't shut the fuck up about it. 

[bad_teammate 13125]

RIP Fozzz 2.0

We hardly knew ye.

[TexEx15 17421]

 

[TexEx15 17421]

 

[bad_teammate 13125]

Will be interested to see if he was involved with BCBS slashing jobs and hiking premiums or price-fixing at the Canadian supermarket.

McKinsey is evil.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

For Sanders and Warren camps, the goal should be to make Pete and Biden show no better than 3rd and 4th in Iowa.  That would pretty much kill Pete’s candidacy and put Biden on defense. 

[bad_teammate 13125]

Iowa is an expectations game.

If Pete came in 2nd or 3rd after polling 4th or lower, then he beats expectations. But Pete's been #1 in an Iowa poll already, so expectations, at least right now, are pretty high.

[bad_teammate 13125]

BCBS Michigan - layoffs and premium hikes
Loblaw - price fixing

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Same energy 

[washparkhorn 9931]

Rage Against the Machine would rage against the corporatist Buttigieg.  The consultant class is part of the problem that fuels the widening divide. 

[bad_teammate 13125]

Pete is a liar. Garbage can.

[bad_teammate 13125]

jUsT dOiNg NuMbErS iN a SpReAdShEeT

[LABEVO 928]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

BCBS Michigan - layoffs and premium hikes
Loblaw - price fixing

He must have been a mediocre consultant as those are bottom of the barrel for tier 1 consulting firms. 

[tantric superman 4667]