Hindsight is 20/20- The 2019-20 Texas Longhorns thread

[Jhawk 1075]

Ku went to a new training model where the coaches and training staff answer directly to the doctors at KU Med. center. Apparently she didn’t like that structure. 

You’ll love her. Our freshmen would gain weight before the season so they could actually hold their own. Body transformations were unreal with her. She is going to be damn hard to replace. We’ll miss her a ton. Great pickup by the horns. 

[Braff Zacklin 13575]

Strange move for Hudy. The change in structure is all there was to it?

I actually like the sound of KU's new model because it seems like it is in the athletes' best interests. Odd thing to jump ship over, but I'm probably not seeing the big picture.

[Brian Fantana 6689]

On 8/14/2019 at 11:42 PM, Goo Punch said:

damn! (scroll right)

 

Came here to post that it's great to see that young man not only back on his feet but getting back into playing shape. Very inspiring. However, I could not ignore the insanity below:

9 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

by the way- i legitimately became depressed and hurt during steve patterson's tenure here. he absolutely ruined Texas basketball and the experience at the FEC with his hires and ideas. i never imagined that i could not want to go to the FEC to watch the Horns play, but it happened, thanks to Patterson.comparing my feelings towards the program then, to where they are now under CDC? Berry, Jaklich, and now Hudy- wow. what a difference.

this is going to be a very interesting season to say the least, with our new coaching hires and AJ1 returning. We are seriously lacking in post talent and depth, but if our guards can play to their potential and actually shoot the ball then who knows? this staff should have this team steadily improving all year long, and the defense should be as good as it can be considering the lack of talent. 

I understand being passionate about sports, but you seriously need professional help.

[Goo Punch 4275]

do i need to tell my story every five days on this forum or what? take 5,673- I grew up within the program; it will always be extremely important to me; i do have mental illness, including depression, and i do seek help and have always sought help. i get depressed in the winter time, and seeing an 11 win team play in an empty arena only made it worse. my issues are so severe that i've been out of work and on disability for years now. i don't have the life that i used to have, or the life i want to have, but i will always have Texas basketball, and it will always be upsetting to me when the program is in total disarray. how anyone here can not know all of this by now is a total mystery. but now you know. so maybe try not being such an asshole from now on, mkay?

Edited August 16, 2019 by Goo Punch

[Goo Punch 4275]

also, this is a great example of why american sports fans *suck* at actually supporting their team. the most die hard, passionate fans in the world are those who have very little else that is as important to them as their team. their family, their religion, their job, and their team; that's their whole world. look no further than the soccer fans of literally every country that's south of here for evidence of this. one of the coolest live sporting events i've ever been to was a Mexico vs Costa Rica semifinal in the Gold Cup at Jerryworld. The atmosphere was the best i've ever been in, and blew away the atmosphere of the USA game that same day. just unreal.

also, and this is obvious, the more well-to-do the fan base is, the more apathetic they become about their team(s) and supporting them. they just have too much else going on their lives to get as invested as those less fortunate or educated. see: Heat basketball fans, or Texas football fans for great examples. the dudes running around the UT web sphere crowing about their law degree or their business degree from Texas and how that makes them superior to everyone else are the same dudes who stay seated the whole game, leave early, and who only bother to even show up when the team is really good or when USC is in town. Texas will never consistently have a great atmosphere in hoops or football unless either/both teams are consistently great, because the people who actually want to stand up and be loud can't afford to go to all the games/get good seats, and the ones who can don't give enough shits to do so. 

Edited August 16, 2019 by Goo Punch

[txhorns 2409]

Well also winning is a hell of a lot more fun than losing.

[Jhawk 1075]

2 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Strange move for Hudy. The change in structure is all there was to it?

I actually like the sound of KU's new model because it seems like it is in the athletes' best interests. Odd thing to jump ship over, but I'm probably not seeing the big picture.

I think it is because she used to answer directly to bill self and now she’s technically an employee if the Kansas health system. Who knows what other changes that might have meant underneath all of it. I wouldn’t read too much into it other than she will be hard to replace. 

Its a great snag for UT. She is universally loved by fans, admins, coaches, and players always mention her by name on senior night. She’s had her fair share of espn segments during games too. She’s a stud. 

[Machinator 32099]

The CDC effect.

 

[Jhawk 1075]

We’re either seeing a sign that yaklich and hudy are sticking around regardless of coach (yaklich heir apparent?) or CDC is signaling that there isn’t enough monetary support to get Shaka out after this year regardless of record. 

[texifornia 56970]

Super official

 

[texifornia 56970]

44 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

We’re either seeing a sign that yaklich and hudy are sticking around regardless of coach (yaklich heir apparent?) or CDC is signaling that there isn’t enough monetary support to get Shaka out after this year regardless of record. 

Given how many capital projects we've got under construction or about to break ground, and how low on the totem pole basketball is at UT, that would check out.

[Rickylovesweed 14317]

39 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Given how many capital projects we've got under construction or about to break ground, and how low on the totem pole basketball is at UT, that would check out.

Hudy is also overseeing the women's program. It looks like Texas gave her the keys to the entire basketball program for both men's and women's basketball. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

CDC is going to fuck around and become a Longhorn Legend. His tenure to this point has been simply outstanding. 

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Jhawk 1075]

I feel like that backs up my thought that CDC might be signaling that Shaka isn't going anywhere after this year.  Shaka was the defensive mastermind and now he needs a defensive coach to help?  That 100% screams that UT is just fucked with Shaka's contract and it'll be a few years before he is fired, unless someone comes in and tosses 8 figures on the dumpster fire.

[Machinator 32099]

44 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

I feel like that backs up my thought that CDC might be signaling that Shaka isn't going anywhere after this year.  Shaka was the defensive mastermind and now he needs a defensive coach to help?  That 100% screams that UT is just fucked with Shaka's contract and it'll be a few years before he is fired, unless someone comes in and tosses 8 figures on the dumpster fire.

Horn was the defensive coach, and he left for a new job. All coaches need assistants for both ends of the court, even if the head coach specializes on one side. CDC/Shaka went out and hired the best man for the vacancy.

[Jhawk 1075]

No doubt they did. But his hire didn’t happen in a vacuum. He left a job where he had stability to go to a very volatile situation. The horns added a very high profile S&C coach. Shaka was supposed to be the genius behind havoc and now a new coach and system is being brought in (even with Shaka going away from havoc since day 1). My gut says that CDC is telling these coaches that Shaka is either safe or that Shaka is gone and they are being brought in to replace him and his staff regardless of Shaka’s job status. 

When you add it all up these two scenarios are the only ones that make sense. Unless CDC is satisfied with shitty basketball but I highly doubt that is the case. My money is on that they don’t have the support to fire Shaka last year, this year, and maybe the year after that. So they bring in coaches that can help the team but are also attractive to the next coach or could be the next coach once the buyout is down below $8M. 

[Machinator 32099]

Or, Yaklich and Hudy are elite coaches who will have opportunities no matter what happens this year.

[Brian Fantana 6689]

3 hours ago, Jhawk said:

I feel like that backs up my thought that CDC might be signaling that Shaka isn't going anywhere after this year.  Shaka was the defensive mastermind and now he needs a defensive coach to help?  That 100% screams that UT is just fucked with Shaka's contract and it'll be a few years before he is fired, unless someone comes in and tosses 8 figures on the dumpster fire.

Chris Beard needs Mark Adams. It's not that unusual, good assistants are a huge part of the battle.

[Goo Punch 4275]

4 hours ago, Jhawk said:

I feel like that backs up my thought that CDC might be signaling that Shaka isn't going anywhere after this year.  Shaka was the defensive mastermind and now he needs a defensive coach to help?  That 100% screams that UT is just fucked with Shaka's contract and it'll be a few years before he is fired, unless someone comes in and tosses 8 figures on the dumpster fire.

yeah i don't think that we fire our HC after making three major assistant hires in about one year. shaka isn't going anywhere unless he whiffs on Greg Brown III and is somehow so incompetent that his incompetence can stymy the best assistant coaching staff in the conference. avoid doing that and he's gonna be here a while. if you set the O/U on how many years Shaka will be here at 2 1/2 i take the over all day. Set it at 3 1/2 and I still probably take the over. I don't think he's going anywhere any time soon.

that said, he is now surrounded by great coaches and recruiters; he's also going into his fifth fucking year here m. surely some growth is in the cards, yes? if shaka stay out of his assistants' way ad let them do their thing we should be a-ok with the staff we've assembled. 

Edited August 19, 2019 by Goo Punch

[Jhawk 1075]

Patterson straight fucked you guys on Shaka.  That extension has to be one of the worst contracts in coaching in the last 20 years.  Worse than David Beaty getting an extension for 2 wins.  Sad when you're basically telling the highest paid guy on your staff to "stay out of the way".  I think Yaklich was basically told that he is the de facto coach and that he will be HC once they can afford to dump Shaka.

[Machinator 32099]

Perrin signed the (1-year) extension. But yes, the original contract was unnecessarily long.

I very much doubt we're doing the HCIW thing, though it's clear that someone realized that we're better off when he's not so hands-on in game-day situations.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

2 hours ago, Jhawk said:

Patterson straight fucked you guys on Shaka.  That extension has to be one of the worst contracts in coaching in the last 20 years.  Worse than David Beaty getting an extension for 2 wins.  Sad when you're basically telling the highest paid guy on your staff to "stay out of the way".  I think Yaklich was basically told that he is the de facto coach and that he will be HC once they can afford to dump Shaka.

Shut the fuck up!

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

The Machinator bot beat me to it. 

[HtownHorn 14683]

Hopefully Shaka outperforms his tenure at Texas and gets stupidly hired away, leaving a solid foundation for the next coach, who can actually coach.

[Goo Punch 4275]

54 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Hopefully Shaka outperforms his tenure at Texas and gets stupidly hired away, leaving a solid foundation for the next coach, who can actually coach.

That's the absolute dream scenario. We win 25 games, go on a deep tourney run, someone hires Shaka away, and the new HC hire realizes that he already has a great staff in place. That's the dream. 

[txhorns 2409]

5 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

That's the absolute dream scenario. We win 25 games, go on a deep tourney run, someone hires Shaka away, and the new HC hire realizes that he already has a great staff in place. That's the dream. 

Nah the dream scenario is that Shaka learns how to actually coach this next season and becomes our Coach K.  Your scenario is more likely though.

[Guest Lobo]

Good news is Shaka can mail it in and still 9 non-conf. games with out shittastic slate.  Bad news is the Big XII is good again and he'll get his clock cleaned.  Maybe pick up another token win in the conference tourney, we are looking at 17-15 at best.  A bid to the CIT, CBI, or NIT again.  And he gets another year.  The situation will get slightly worse before it gets better.  

Only modern day coach I can think of, whom in 5 years, will have more NBA lottery picks in that span than he does NCAA Tournament Bids.  Not just wins, but overall bids.  That figure will trail his lottery picks over that timeframe, not just overall draft picks.  But Lottery Picks in 5 years>NCAA Tourney Bids in 5 years.  I don't think that's ever happened and will likely never happen again in the next 50 years.  

[Katfid54 8635]

Does anyone know if Hudy is bringing the Blowfish with her?

[Katfid54 8635]

That's it for me. You guys have been great.  Don't forget to tip your server on the way out.

[Machinator 32099]

13 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Only modern day coach I can think of, whom in 5 years, will have more NBA lottery picks in that span than he does NCAA Tournament Bids.  Not just wins, but overall bids.  That figure will trail his lottery picks over that timeframe, not just overall draft picks.  But Lottery Picks in 5 years>NCAA Tourney Bids in 5 years.  I don't think that's ever happened and will likely never happen again in the next 50 years.  

Lorenzo Romar did it at UW. Three lottery picks from 2012 to 2017, 0 NCAA tournament appearances.

Not good company to be in.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Machinator

[txhorns 2409]

I think we make the NCAA tournament this year but just barely.

[Pancho 44804]

Who would hire Shaka away that wouldn’t be considered a step down?

[txhorns 2409]

15 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Who would hire Shaka away that wouldn’t be considered a step down?

Not many places wouldn't be a step down but some places on the east coast could be better fits for Shaka.

[dogbreath 434]

 Question is does Texas play with intensity shown in nit tourney this season. Don’t mind losing if they’ve  left everything out there. Other question is does new asst coach’s focus on end of game situations make a difference. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

I believe Yaklich specializes in a version of the pack line defense that Virginia runs and Tech has run over the past few years with Chris Beard.  Like @Goo Punchhas mentioned on here before, our team has graded out reasonably well analytically over the past couple seasons,  but we're missing out on the intangibles of guts and guile.  This is exemplified by our paltry rebounding numbers throughout Shaka's tenure.  I'm certain that outside of an improved defense Yaklich's biggest impact will exhibit itself in that specific area. 

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by Catdaddyhorn

[Brian Fantana 6689]

I thought you guys were pretty salty on defense last year. Mental toughness did seem like an issue though. How many games did you guys lose to 2nd half comebacks? It felt like a lot but that could just be confirmation bias.

[Goo Punch 4275]

28 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I thought you guys were pretty salty on defense last year. Mental toughness did seem like an issue though. How many games did you guys lose to 2nd half comebacks? It felt like a lot but that could just be confirmation bias.

oh it's been a lot. every season under Shaka save his first season it's been a staple of his teams. and that first team had a bunch of seniors who were all going out together playing for one another, plus one helluva catalyst in junior guard Isaiah Taylor. That team got to the rim, they rebounded, and they kept their heads in late game situations. we need more of that mental toughness going forward for sure. 

[Machinator 32099]

Our defense was not that good last season, especially in conference play. Tim Preston laid the numbers out, we let our Big 12 opponents shoot nearly 39% from 3. That's abysmal.

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Goo Punch 4275]

4 hours ago, Machinator said:

Our defense was not that good last season, especially in conference play. Tim Preston laid the numbers out, we let our Big 12 opponents shoot nearly 39% from 3. That's abysmal.

i know that all fan bases get tunnel vision, but tell me that watching Texas basketball doesn't feel like we give up more threes than any team in the country sometimes. got a white guy from bumfuck, kansas who shoots 40%? he'll shoot 50% against us, on 14 attempts. got a defensive specialist who is 3/17 on the season? yup, he's going 3-4 against us, including two in the last minute. need a desperation three and the ball is bouncing away from the basket and towards half court? no worries, just jai alai that bitch over your head, because it's going in the basket. or am i just so miserable that it only feels that way?

[txhorns 2409]

4 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

i know that all fan bases get tunnel vision, but tell me that watching Texas basketball doesn't feel like we give up more threes than any team in the country sometimes. got a white guy from bumfuck, kansas who shoots 40%? he'll shoot 50% against us, on 14 attempts. got a defensive specialist who is 3/17 on the season? yup, he's going 3-4 against us, including two in the last minute. need a desperation three and the ball is bouncing away from the basket and towards half court? no worries, just jai alai that bitch over your head, because it's going in the basket. or am i just so miserable that it only feels that way?

That's exactly how I feel but it's not just Shaka.  It's always been like that.

[LTtxfan 49188]

On 8/16/2019 at 2:23 PM, texifornia said:

 

 

Interesting tidbit... per Andrea, when Bill Self first interviewed her for the KU strength & conditioning job he told her that he didn't want to hire a woman.  Made her even more determined to get the job.  She's no nonsense... Thx CDC!! 🤘

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by LTtxfan

[LTtxfan 49188]

On 8/19/2019 at 7:17 PM, Machinator said:

Perrin signed the (1-year) extension. But yes, the original contract was unnecessarily long.

I very much doubt we're doing the HCIW thing, though it's clear that someone realized that we're better off when he's not so hands-on in game-day situations.

 

So Shaka...

[Jhawk 1075]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

 

Interesting tidbit... per Andrea, when Bill Self first interviewed her for the KU strength & conditioning job he told her that he didn't want to hire a woman.  Made her even more determined to get the job.  She's no nonsense... Thx CDC!! 🤘

 

She’s a fucking boss. There is no way to replace her in my mind. She made programs for the specific goals of the athlete and coaches. Need more weight to bang as a 4. You got it. We’re running 4 out 1 in so we need that same guy to be more mobile? He cut and added agility. Fuck, azibukie is 7’1” 270 and he’s at 8% body fat after coming in at the same size but 26% fat. 

There are good S&C coaches and then there is hudy. Hopefully for you guys she doesn’t sit back as an administrator and she actually gets into the weeds of the people she is going to manage. 

[Machinator 32099]

https://texassports.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

Roster is up.

[realgreggym 835]

9 hours ago, Machinator said:

https://texassports.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

Roster is up.

Interesting. In prehistoric days, there were 3 coaches, a student trainer and a student manager. There was a full time trainer to keep an eye on everything but that was it.

[Goo Punch 4275]

They're even letting women on the staff now. Can you believe that?!

[Machinator 32099]