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With this having happened during the 2018-19 school year, it was likely a prospect from the class of 2020.

SOURCE: It was a 2020

MY source? The fucking ncaa agreement linked at the fucking top of the announcement.

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TexAgs is saying it's an OOS school. 

 

fucking New Jersey. I thought every thing was legal in New Jersey /Hamilton

Ah, damn. Hopefully one of the good football ones at least.

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So looch had an article ready to go 7 minutes after the NCAA announced the penalties?

TexaAgs is an arm of the Texas A&M athletic department. They surely helped craft his report and the narrative around it. 

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Six-month show cause for a coach with a 10-year, $75 million contract. What a severe blow 😑
was hoping for something more substantial

It's year 2.5 of Jimbo and they're already on probation for a year and can't recruit off campus for a fall. Appreciate the trend line.

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13 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Looch should be coming in with the spin/"no big deal" write up.  Now if this was Hermensa', he'd be having a field day with this.

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While I would say the hits just keep on coming as it pertains to the longest (literally and figuratively) football off-season in recorded history, today's NCAA announcement wasn't something that caught Aggie Football off guard.

No, Thursday's pre-July 4 announcement stems from an investigation that began more than two years ago and centered around allegations by former linebacker Santino Marchiol, who was later dismissed from Arizona by former A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin. So after two years of digging, the NCAA discovered that, under Fisher's watch, the Aggies were — when you cut through all of the drivel — guilty of two things. The first had to do with seven hours of extra 'practice time' during a seven week stretch during the spring of 2018. The second? What is commonly referred to as a 'bump' by the head coach with a high school prospect during a non-contact period. 

That's it. That's the list of infractions found during the extensive and extended investigation.

Look, any and all NCAA sanctions should be taken seriously, in this instance if for no other reason than for the fact that the Ags are on probation for essentially a year, meaning no more slip-ups, even of the minor variety. Outside of that, however, this is something that Fisher and the program will leave in the rearview mirror beginning today.

The 'extra practice time'? That's what coaches from pee wee football through the NFL refer to as "if you're not early, you're late." Over the course of seven weeks during Fisher's first spring on the job at A&M, players apparently arrived early enough for pre-practice stretching to add seven hours — total — to the team's on-field time. Again, that's seven hours over a seven week stretch. That's an average of one hour a week (for only the stretch in question) if you're scoring at home.

As for Fisher 'bumping' into a prospect and that resulting in a pair of Level Two violations, well, all I can say is that college football coaches (head coaches and assistants) are probably laughing at the fact A&M got popped with what sure feels like the oddly heavy-handed punishment of pulling the head man off the road for a month this December. Well, they're actually either laughing or really re-evaluating how they're going to do things moving forward, as the 'bump' is probably the most common act by coaches on the trail, whether intentional or unintentional (which was the case with Fisher, as A&M explained in today's release and determined by the investigation).

I know there is some vagueness in terms of the high school and the prospect, but I've done enough digging here to find out that the high school (where the Ags won't be able to recruit again until after this upcoming spring) is an out-of-state spot where A&M rarely has a presence. That's worth noting for those who were concerned it might be a Texas program or a power program in state or nationally. Not the case in this instance.

So two what I think most anyone would consider quite minor violations result in the head coach not being able to recruit off-campus during the fall and the A&M staff being pulled off the road for a ten-day stretch this fall (I don't think this one is a big deal during the season because the Ags would likely set that up around a pair of important road games, perhaps at Auburn followed by a trip to South Carolina). If I'm being honest, that punishment levied by the NCAA and Stan Wilcox does feel a little harsh. Seems like the competitive disadvantage in the final punishment outweighs any advantage gained here, doesn't it?

Who is Stan Wilcox, you ask? He's the former Florida State AD who was in charge in Tallahassee when his national championship head football coach left for Texas A&M. Wilcox slid out of that job and into a new position with the NCAA in October of 2018. He's now the NCAA's executive vice president for regulatory affairs, and one of his roles is described as 'providing strategic direction to enforcement.' Just an interesting little sidebar to this story.

So here we are. The Ags take what isn't what you consider a major punishment by any means but more than a wrist slap from the NCAA for seven hours of extra practice time two springs ago and a one-time impermissible conversation with a prospect while Will Wade and Sean Miller are still coaching at LSU and Arizona, respectively. You've all heard the wiretaps on the HBO special or read about them. There are also the ongoing Zion Williamson/Duke allegations, Bill Self and Kansas...and those are merely the scandals that have bubbled to the surface. Seeing college football's governing body coming down on Fisher — who had a spotless record as a head coach and assistant — like they did really makes you wonder if digging up dirt in College Station is all the NCAA has done since the spring of '18 because it sure doesn't feel like they're focusing on getting to the bigger issues facing college football and hoops. 

Oh well, if there's any consolation here it's that, after a full inquiry following several accusations by Marchiol, what the NCAA uncovered wasn't anything close to sinister, and the punishment is one that doesn't involve scholarship cuts or any sort of post-season ban. Once Jimbo serves his time off the road this winter, it's completely behind the Aggies. And in case you're wondering about the lack of in-house visits by the head man down the stretch to the Early Signing Period, keep in mind there's a decent chance there won't even be one this year, which means Fisher would be able to make those less-important-now-than-ever-thanks-to-zoom in-house visits during the month of January.

And now back to our regularly-scheduled debate on whether or not there will even be a 2020 season and, if there is, what it's going to look like. Now that they've closed the book in College Station, maybe the folks at the NCAA can get down to the business of figuring out standardized testing procedures across college football, something that actually will have a profound impact on the integrity of the game.

 

 

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While I would say the hits just keep on coming as it pertains to the longest (literally and figuratively) football off-season in recorded history, today's NCAA announcement wasn't something that caught Aggie Football off guard.

No, Thursday's pre-July 4 announcement stems from an investigation that began more than two years ago and centered around allegations by former linebacker Santino Marchiol, who was later dismissed from Arizona by former A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin. So after two years of digging, the NCAA discovered that, under Fisher's watch, the Aggies were — when you cut through all of the drivel — guilty of two things. The first had to do with seven hours of extra 'practice time' during a seven week stretch during the spring of 2018. The second? What is commonly referred to as a 'bump' by the head coach with a high school prospect during a non-contact period. 

That's it. That's the list of infractions found during the extensive and extended investigation.

Look, any and all NCAA sanctions should be taken seriously, in this instance if for no other reason than for the fact that the Ags are on probation for essentially a year, meaning no more slip-ups, even of the minor variety. Outside of that, however, this is something that Fisher and the program will leave in the rearview mirror beginning today.

The 'extra practice time'? That's what coaches from pee wee football through the NFL refer to as "if you're not early, you're late." Over the course of seven weeks during Fisher's first spring on the job at A&M, players apparently arrived early enough for pre-practice stretching to add seven hours — total — to the team's on-field time. Again, that's seven hours over a seven week stretch. That's an average of one hour a week (for only the stretch in question) if you're scoring at home.

As for Fisher 'bumping' into a prospect and that resulting in a pair of Level Two violations, well, all I can say is that college football coaches (head coaches and assistants) are probably laughing at the fact A&M got popped with what sure feels like the oddly heavy-handed punishment of pulling the head man off the road for a month this December. Well, they're actually either laughing or really re-evaluating how they're going to do things moving forward, as the 'bump' is probably the most common act by coaches on the trail, whether intentional or unintentional (which was the case with Fisher, as A&M explained in today's release and determined by the investigation).

I know there is some vagueness in terms of the high school and the prospect, but I've done enough digging here to find out that the high school (where the Ags won't be able to recruit again until after this upcoming spring) is an out-of-state spot where A&M rarely has a presence. That's worth noting for those who were concerned it might be a Texas program or a power program in state or nationally. Not the case in this instance.

So two what I think most anyone would consider quite minor violations result in the head coach not being able to recruit off-campus during the fall and the A&M staff being pulled off the road for a ten-day stretch this fall (I don't think this one is a big deal during the season because the Ags would likely set that up around a pair of important road games, perhaps at Auburn followed by a trip to South Carolina). If I'm being honest, that punishment levied by the NCAA and Stan Wilcox does feel a little harsh. Seems like the competitive disadvantage in the final punishment outweighs any advantage gained here, doesn't it?

Who is Stan Wilcox, you ask? He's the former Florida State AD who was in charge in Tallahassee when his national championship head football coach left for Texas A&M. Wilcox slid out of that job and into a new position with the NCAA in October of 2018. He's now the NCAA's executive vice president for regulatory affairs, and one of his roles is described as 'providing strategic direction to enforcement.' Just an interesting little sidebar to this story.

So here we are. The Ags take what isn't what you consider a major punishment by any means but more than a wrist slap from the NCAA for seven hours of extra practice time two springs ago and a one-time impermissible conversation with a prospect while Will Wade and Sean Miller are still coaching at LSU and Arizona, respectively. You've all heard the wiretaps on the HBO special or read about them. There are also the ongoing Zion Williamson/Duke allegations, Bill Self and Kansas...and those are merely the scandals that have bubbled to the surface. Seeing college football's governing body coming down on Fisher — who had a spotless record as a head coach and assistant — like they did really makes you wonder if digging up dirt in College Station is all the NCAA has done since the spring of '18 because it sure doesn't feel like they're focusing on getting to the bigger issues facing college football and hoops. 

Oh well, if there's any consolation here it's that, after a full inquiry following several accusations by Marchiol, what the NCAA uncovered wasn't anything close to sinister, and the punishment is one that doesn't involve scholarship cuts or any sort of post-season ban. Once Jimbo serves his time off the road this winter, it's completely behind the Aggies. And in case you're wondering about the lack of in-house visits by the head man down the stretch to the Early Signing Period, keep in mind there's a decent chance there won't even be one this year, which means Fisher would be able to make those less-important-now-than-ever-thanks-to-zoom in-house visits during the month of January.

And now back to our regularly-scheduled debate on whether or not there will even be a 2020 season and, if there is, what it's going to look like. Now that they've closed the book in College Station, maybe the folks at the NCAA can get down to the business of figuring out standardized testing procedures across college football, something that actually will have a profound impact on the integrity of the game.

 

 

Hah, "the enemy was digging, they just got us for normal stuff everyone else also does, everything is fine" straight out of the crisis comms playbook. They really are just a PR firm with worse style.

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While I would say the hits just keep on coming as it pertains to the longest (literally and figuratively) football off-season in recorded history, today's NCAA announcement wasn't something that caught Aggie Football off guard.

No, Thursday's pre-July 4 announcement stems from an investigation that began more than two years ago and centered around allegations by former linebacker Santino Marchiol, who was later dismissed from Arizona by former A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin. So after two years of digging, the NCAA discovered that, under Fisher's watch, the Aggies were — when you cut through all of the drivel — guilty of two things. The first had to do with seven hours of extra 'practice time' during a seven week stretch during the spring of 2018. The second? What is commonly referred to as a 'bump' by the head coach with a high school prospect during a non-contact period. 

That's it. That's the list of infractions found during the extensive and extended investigation.

Look, any and all NCAA sanctions should be taken seriously, in this instance if for no other reason than for the fact that the Ags are on probation for essentially a year, meaning no more slip-ups, even of the minor variety. Outside of that, however, this is something that Fisher and the program will leave in the rearview mirror beginning today.

The 'extra practice time'? That's what coaches from pee wee football through the NFL refer to as "if you're not early, you're late." Over the course of seven weeks during Fisher's first spring on the job at A&M, players apparently arrived early enough for pre-practice stretching to add seven hours — total — to the team's on-field time. Again, that's seven hours over a seven week stretch. That's an average of one hour a week (for only the stretch in question) if you're scoring at home.

As for Fisher 'bumping' into a prospect and that resulting in a pair of Level Two violations, well, all I can say is that college football coaches (head coaches and assistants) are probably laughing at the fact A&M got popped with what sure feels like the oddly heavy-handed punishment of pulling the head man off the road for a month this December. Well, they're actually either laughing or really re-evaluating how they're going to do things moving forward, as the 'bump' is probably the most common act by coaches on the trail, whether intentional or unintentional (which was the case with Fisher, as A&M explained in today's release and determined by the investigation).

I know there is some vagueness in terms of the high school and the prospect, but I've done enough digging here to find out that the high school (where the Ags won't be able to recruit again until after this upcoming spring) is an out-of-state spot where A&M rarely has a presence. That's worth noting for those who were concerned it might be a Texas program or a power program in state or nationally. Not the case in this instance.

So two what I think most anyone would consider quite minor violations result in the head coach not being able to recruit off-campus during the fall and the A&M staff being pulled off the road for a ten-day stretch this fall (I don't think this one is a big deal during the season because the Ags would likely set that up around a pair of important road games, perhaps at Auburn followed by a trip to South Carolina). If I'm being honest, that punishment levied by the NCAA and Stan Wilcox does feel a little harsh. Seems like the competitive disadvantage in the final punishment outweighs any advantage gained here, doesn't it?

Who is Stan Wilcox, you ask? He's the former Florida State AD who was in charge in Tallahassee when his national championship head football coach left for Texas A&M. Wilcox slid out of that job and into a new position with the NCAA in October of 2018. He's now the NCAA's executive vice president for regulatory affairs, and one of his roles is described as 'providing strategic direction to enforcement.' Just an interesting little sidebar to this story.

So here we are. The Ags take what isn't what you consider a major punishment by any means but more than a wrist slap from the NCAA for seven hours of extra practice time two springs ago and a one-time impermissible conversation with a prospect while Will Wade and Sean Miller are still coaching at LSU and Arizona, respectively. You've all heard the wiretaps on the HBO special or read about them. There are also the ongoing Zion Williamson/Duke allegations, Bill Self and Kansas...and those are merely the scandals that have bubbled to the surface. Seeing college football's governing body coming down on Fisher — who had a spotless record as a head coach and assistant — like they did really makes you wonder if digging up dirt in College Station is all the NCAA has done since the spring of '18 because it sure doesn't feel like they're focusing on getting to the bigger issues facing college football and hoops. 

Oh well, if there's any consolation here it's that, after a full inquiry following several accusations by Marchiol, what the NCAA uncovered wasn't anything close to sinister, and the punishment is one that doesn't involve scholarship cuts or any sort of post-season ban. Once Jimbo serves his time off the road this winter, it's completely behind the Aggies. And in case you're wondering about the lack of in-house visits by the head man down the stretch to the Early Signing Period, keep in mind there's a decent chance there won't even be one this year, which means Fisher would be able to make those less-important-now-than-ever-thanks-to-zoom in-house visits during the month of January.

And now back to our regularly-scheduled debate on whether or not there will even be a 2020 season and, if there is, what it's going to look like. Now that they've closed the book in College Station, maybe the folks at the NCAA can get down to the business of figuring out standardized testing procedures across college football, something that actually will have a profound impact on the integrity of the game.

 

 

No way he wrote all that right after this came out.

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Is their in state recruiting terrible this year because they knew this was coming and can't drop bags like they were previously due to impending probation?

I think it has more to do with the fact that most kids in Texas don't want to play in that shit ass offense and haven't had or made any connections with the staff. If you add in that they have only taken 1 player from Texas on defense each of the past 2 years -- the other recruits simply don't have any of their Bros in college station. Not a single guy that they played peewee/travel ball/7 on 7. Recruiting is about relationships after all - and not just the coaches. A lot of the trainers are also not too pleased with non-offers or interest in their kids, while aggy is recruiting 3* OOS guys in those same spots. 

Also, the 2021 kids in particular just don't seem interested at all in aggy, even when aggy does show any interest. 2022 outside of the Katy echo chamber appears to be more of the same. 

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I think it has more to do with the fact that most kids in Texas don't want to play in that shit ass offense and haven't had or made any connections with the staff. If you add in that they have only taken 1 player from Texas on defense each of the past 2 years -- the other recruits simply don't have any of their Bros in college station. Not a single guy that they played peewee/travel ball/7 on 7. Recruiting is about relationships after all - and not just the coaches. A lot of the trainers are also not too pleased with non-offers or interest in their kids, while aggy is recruiting 3* OOS guys in those same spots. 

Also, the 2021 kids in particular just don't seem interested at all in aggy, even when aggy does show any interest. 2022 outside of the Katy echo chamber appears to be more of the same. 

That's a terrible shame...

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"Aggies don't lie, cheat..." etc etc. These idiots would bug me way less if they just came clean about who they really are and that the only thing special about them is their ability for self-delusion. Of course if they did that that would lose what fundamentally makes them Aggies.

 

 

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Because it's an OOS school that, according to looch isn't "a power program in state or nationally", I'm going to assume that jimbo already had relationships there. Makes Jahmyr Gibbs more likely, but Gibbs didn't break out until late in the cycle and this violation occurred in early 2019. 

I know they were working hard on Donell Harris in Miami, but (thankfully) I don't know Florida well enough to comb through their offers and guess based on general region. Ruling out the St. Thomas Aquinas guys, I'm going to guess Gervon Dexter just for the hell of it, whom they offered on 1/29/19.

 

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Aggies sure seem ok with all the cheating going on.

Of course, they are led by Mr. white collar criminal John Sharp. They know they're back to paying top dollar. Demas' recruitment was blown up and nothing happened, the entire scheme was exposed. 

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Wait till the NCAA finds out about Demond Demas, McKinnley Jackson, Antonio Johnson, Donnell Harris, Fadil Diggs, Dylan Wright, Demani Richardson, Erick Young, Elijah Blades, Derick Hunter, Adarious Jones, Bobby Brown, Tank Jenkins, James Foster, 

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The Chinpubes spin on this is solid. Just so we are all on the same page... Jimbo got a 6 month show cause because he started practice a few minutes early for a few days and "accidentally" ran into a recruit at a high school? And his vindictive former boss at FSU now works at the NCAA and has an ax to grind.

The toothless NCAA is now picking on poor A&M. I feel so bad for them. Always the victim. Poor aggies. 

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The toothless NCAA is now picking on poor A&M. I feel so bad for them. Always the victim. Poor aggies. 

Well, we always joked that when a big time program breaks a rule, the small time programs better watch out. I wonder what Alabama did this time...

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When aggy misses at Safety for McMillon (UF bound) and Kitchens (Auburn bound) all that seems left is this WATCH. THE. TAPE. candidate.  Amazing they haven't gone after a single Texas Safety.  

https://247sports.com/player/jaden-mosley-46083396/

It is amazing, but at the same time. I keep trying to think of any S in the state that has had even a cursory interest in aggy and I just can't think of one. The FAST kids all visited at one point - so Baskerville or Mark Wilson, maybe? I mean, Mark Wilson is a CB/S depending on who you ask --but would he really flip from UH? He is from Clear Lake.

You go down the list and you have Mukuba, Coffey, Lemear, Caston, Nwokbia, Rawls, Noel, Ellis, Thursby, Marsh, Johnson.McMorris. Shepherd. None of them even a passing or half-assed interest in aggy. Not one.

 

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It is amazing, but at the same time. I keep trying to think of any S in the state that has had even a cursory interest in aggy and I just can't think of one. The FAST kids all visited at one point - so Baskerville or Mark Wilson, maybe? I mean, Mark Wilson is a CB/S depending on who you ask --but would he really flip from UH? He is from Clear Lake.

You go down the list and you have Mukuba, Coffey, Lemear, Caston, Nwokbia, Rawls, Noel, Ellis, Thursby, Marsh, Johnson.McMorris. Shepherd. None of them even a passing or half-assed interest in aggy. Not one.

 

But what about all-name legend Placide Djungu-Sungu?

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