Things seem to be going quite well for Joe Biden

[JimmyJames 12271]

12 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

That stuff from 25-30 yrs ago is irrelevant.

Only 3 states really matter - PA, MI, and WI - and Biden can sweep those easily and take down Trump. Rust belt whites will vote for him 

I tend to agree. Those three states, along with parts of Florida, were the ones Manafort and the Russians targeted the most and ultimately led to the trump victory.

They specifically targeted aggrieved and upset white voters who probably would have voted for Bernie if he had been the dem nominee. 

And they won by 80k votes. Contrary to what Nate Silver found about Comey,  to me this was the difference in the election.

And it will be very difficult to replicate again. Which is probably why Trump opposes any efforts to suppress Russian interference. He wants and needs it. He’s not a complete idiot. Deep down he knows why he won, although he will never ever admit it. 

[henrygandorf 29189]

the biggest issue here (assuming you're not a biden fan) isn't his actual policy decisions, votes, groping, anita hill, or any of the stupid shit he's said or done in the last 40 years.  the biggest issue is that right now he's playing huge with the "i don't care who it is, as long as he beats trump" crowd.

you could have a laundry list of cons, but if the only pro is "he'll definitely win in the general", he'll be tough to beat.

that's just where the country is right now, unfortunately.

[bad_teammate 13191]

Pete Buttigieg was designed in a lab to appeal to Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! listeners.

Joe Biden was designed in a lab to appeal to the dumbest Boomers imaginable.

 

[Texas_Rocks 346]

Biden’s campaign launch reminds me of the old joke Chris Rock used to tell about stores in his old neighborhood having Grand Openings in the morning and Grand Closings at the end of the day.

[BradInATX 9208]

5 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

the biggest issue here (assuming you're not a biden fan) isn't his actual policy decisions, votes, groping, anita hill, or any of the stupid shit he's said or done in the last 40 years.  the biggest issue is that right now he's playing huge with the "i don't care who it is, as long as he beats trump" crowd.

you could have a laundry list of cons, but if the only pro is "he'll definitely win in the general", he'll be tough to beat.

that's just where the country is right now, unfortunately.

Man, I'm souring on Biden because of some well fashioned points made on this board, and his general dipshittery. But I still think he's the slam dunk to get Trump out. 

Biden is an ugly white guy layup, and Trump getting beat by a gay millennial is an alley oop in that mother fucker's dumb face. I can't imagine a better scenario.

[ChickenSandwich 9826]

10 hours ago, American Swindle said:

Joe has a message guys:

Not sure if this ad will help him though...

 

 

What a platform.

The Rich Get Richer (have have no change in SOL).  

The Poors Get Free Shit. 

And the Middle Class gets slaughtered. 

 

[zork 629]

14 hours ago, happyfunball said:

 

 

13 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Trumps a scum when it comes to women.  Bidens problem is his creepiness is on video, with multiple women and girls to be seen over and over and over again. 

 

On 4/25/2019 at 4:14 PM, tucker said:

The thread is great

 

 

 

[6th Street 6390]

15 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

I tend to agree. Those three states, along with parts of Florida, were the ones Manafort and the Russians targeted the most and ultimately led to the trump victory.

They specifically targeted aggrieved and upset white voters who probably would have voted for Bernie if he had been the dem nominee. 

And they won by 80k votes. Contrary to what Nate Silver found about Comey,  to me this was the difference in the election.

And it will be very difficult to replicate again. Which is probably why Trump opposes any efforts to suppress Russian interference. He wants and needs it. He’s not a complete idiot. Deep down he knows why he won, although he will never ever admit it. 

Yup disenfranchised Rust Belt whites absolutely hated Hillary but identify much better w Biden. 

I'm afraid Florida and Ohio have turned further right due to higher % of white trash voter turnout.

[SDG 3319]

Isn’t he done once someone starts questioning him and his son’s dealings with China?

[ChiTownDoc 21143]

17 hours ago, 6th Street said:

That stuff from 25-30 yrs ago is irrelevant.

Only 3 states really matter - PA, MI, and WI - and Biden can sweep those easily and take down Trump. Rust belt whites will vote for him 

That’s not sexy enough.  The D’s don’t want an easy win.  They want to celebrate as they cross the goal line.  That’s why I’m afraid we get another 4 years of fuckhead.  

The D’s will drop the ball at the one foot mark as they backflip over the goal line.  

[bad_teammate 13191]

2015: "Hillary is going to win. Trump is a joke."

~*~ 4 years of learning absolutely nothing ~*~

2019: "Biden is going to win. Trump is a joke."

 

[bad_teammate 13191]

So many Surly #Resistance and never-Trump posters are going to be horny for Joe with talk like this

 

[NBMisha 224]

Biden the winner vs

We can't go back to normal, that got us Trump.  And in this case, old socialist, gay centrist,  or nagging intellectual option.  

The dem gordian knot.

Well, the problem we face as a nation are very difficult to solve, if possible.  Who we should grant the solution to is important.  Beating Trump is a gateway to moving to that question.  All legit finishers need to prove their electibility.  How will that be done?

[Incredulity 11650]

“Nagging intellectual”

quite succinct

[bad_teammate 13191]

Whoever wins the primary will be the strongest candidate to beat Trump. If you have the charisma and policy combination to beat 200 other Democrats, you have what it takes to win the general as tested in battle. For you GoT dorks, the iron price vs. the gold price.

Anyone pretending to be a pundit needs to be ignored. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you're just repeating the same dumb shit every other pundit and fake-pundit has been spouting.

Biden's record is a laughable failure. However, if he has the message and campaign to legitimately beat every other Dem in votes/delegates, then he is the strongest candidate. Until then, fucking shut up with your worthless punditry. Or, if not, at least back it up with some kind of data.

[bad_teammate 13191]

Calling a female candidate "nagging" is a pretty sure sign that you're a fucking idiot.

[ChiTownDoc 21143]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Whoever wins the primary will be the strongest candidate to beat Trump. If you have the charisma and policy combination to beat 200 other Democrats, you have what it takes to win the general as tested in battle. For you GoT dorks, the iron price vs. the gold price.

Anyone pretending to be a pundit needs to be ignored. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you're just repeating the same dumb shit every other pundit and fake-pundit has been spouting.

Biden's record is a laughable failure. However, if he has the message and campaign to legitimately beat every other Dem in votes/delegates, then he is the strongest candidate. Until then, fucking shut up with your worthless punditry. Or, if not, at least back it up with some kind of data.

Ha, you should take your own advice.  You constantly bash anyone not named Bernie with your professional takes.  

I’m all about waiting til the end and supporting whoever the process gives us.  But the infighting makes me think that won’t be most people.  

[JimmyJames 12271]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Whoever wins the primary will be the strongest candidate to beat Trump. If you have the charisma and policy combination to beat 200 other Democrats, you have what it takes to win the general as tested in battle. For you GoT dorks, the iron price vs. the gold price.

Anyone pretending to be a pundit needs to be ignored. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you're just repeating the same dumb shit every other pundit and fake-pundit has been spouting.

Biden's record is a laughable failure. However, if he has the message and campaign to legitimately beat every other Dem in votes/delegates, then he is the strongest candidate. Until then, fucking shut up with your worthless punditry. Or, if not, at least back it up with some kind of data.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

[JimmyJames 12271]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_harris-6252.html

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

If only the election were today, and not a year and a half from now. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html

[JimmyJames 12271]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html

[Incredulity 11650]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Whoever wins the primary will be the strongest candidate to beat Trump. If you have the charisma and policy combination to beat 200 other Democrats, you have what it takes to win the general as tested in battle. For you GoT dorks, the iron price vs. the gold price.

Anyone pretending to be a pundit needs to be ignored. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you're just repeating the same dumb shit every other pundit and fake-pundit has been spouting.

Biden's record is a laughable failure. However, if he has the message and campaign to legitimately beat every other Dem in votes/delegates, then he is the strongest candidate. Until then, fucking shut up with your worthless punditry. Or, if not, at least back it up with some kind of data.

Brainwormed pseudo-pundit chastising a political thread about pseudo-punditry is always good for a LOL.

[bad_teammate 13191]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Ha, you should take your own advice.  You constantly bash anyone not named Bernie with your professional takes.  

Policy talk isn't horserace punditry. Criticism of candidates' leadership records isn't horserace punditry.

Predicting how elections will go is horserace punditry.

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

lol

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

If only the election were today, and not a year and a half from now. 

I’m aware of that. If the polls change then so will my opinion 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Policy talk isn't horserace punditry. Criticism of candidates' leadership records isn't horserace punditry.

Predicting how elections will go is horserace punditry.

lol

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

With the notable exceptions of Wisconsin Pennsylvania and Michigan, the polls in 2016 were right. Hillary won the popular vote. 

[bad_teammate 13191]

Love my president, Hillary Clinton!

Hillary Clinton would beat Donald Trump in a general election match-up if the election were held today, a new poll shows.

Clinton beats Trump, 49% to 39%, head-to-head. She would be neck-and-neck with other GOP contenders -- including former tech CEO Carly Fiorina (45% to Clinton's 44%), retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson (46% to Clinton's 45%), former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (44% to Clinton's 45%).

[bad_teammate 13191]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

With the notable exceptions of Wisconsin Pennsylvania and Michigan, the polls in 2016 were right. Hillary won the popular vote. 

How about the polls in 2015?

[Js1 85275]

11 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Ha, you should take your own advice.  You constantly bash anyone not named Bernie with your professional takes.  

I’m all about waiting til the end and supporting whoever the process gives us.  But the infighting makes me think that won’t be most people.  

Bad teammate is very complimentary of Warren, Beto, Pete and even Harris at times. And let’s be real, I trust him 1000% to vote for the D nominee versus you, a former Republican, who will pussy out and not vote when push comes to shove if it’s Bernie. 

Edited April 27, 2019 by Js1

[Mojo Hand 4580]

9 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I’m aware of that. If the polls change then so will my opinion 

What opinion?  You're just letting largely uninformed poll respondants decide your support.   Right now is the time not to follow flawed early polls, but rather to drive the polls towards the actual best candidate through your support.   In 2007, despite Hillary's early polling advantage, Obama was the best candidate, and it was early support that led him to move past Hillary in the polls and ultimately win 2 terms.   If everyone took your approach, Obama never gets off the ground. I mean, you're entitled to approach this mindlessly, but I'm sure glad that many others are taking this important moment more seriously. 

Edited April 27, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[Enchubben 5510]

On 4/26/2019 at 10:05 AM, Onboard 2.0 said:

Trumps a scum when it comes to women.  Bidens problem is his creepiness is on video, with multiple women and girls to be seen over and over and over again. 

I’d argue it’s much more about the hypocrisy. The multiple years of negative press/sexual allegations against Trump and frankly, even the legal behavior, is on a different level than the creepiness of Biden.

But after the left bitching and moaning about how reprehensible Trump is with women, the metoo movement, pussy hats, etc. nominating a guy that clearly has some sort of fetish with young women and children is going to get magnified and called out. The video just makes it harder to dismiss.

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I’d argue it’s much more about the hypocrisy. The multiple years of negative press/sexual allegations against Trump and frankly, even the legal behavior, is on a different level than the creepiness of Biden.

But after the left bitching and moaning about how reprehensible Trump is with women, the metoo movement, pussy hats, etc. nominating a guy that clearly has some sort of fetish with young women and children is going to get magnified and called out. The video just makes it harder to dismiss.

 

If you throw in Bill Clinton, the hypocrisy rises to the top pretty blatantly.  Trump and Biden are damaged goods. Biden has nothing to run on. He's an  old school politician with old school ideas.  Mrs. Warren has much more of an appealing platform.

[bad_teammate 13191]

lol @ temporarily-not-Republicans "worrying" about whether or not I am going to vote for the Democrat

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

What opinion?  You're just letting largely uninformed poll respondants decide your support.   Right now is the time not to follow flawed early polls, but rather to drive the polls towards the actual best candidate through your support.   In 2007, despite Hillary's early polling advantage, Obama was the best candidate, and it was early support that led him to move past Hillary in the polls and ultimately win 2 terms.   If everyone took your approach, Obama never gets off the ground. I mean, you're entitled to approach this mindlessly, but I'm sure glad that many others are taking this important moment more seriously. 

I supported the hell out of Bernie in 2016 for this very reason. Didn’t do any good. Bernie polled best against trump constantly and the dems drove the bus off the cliff anyway. 

So color me skeptical that the dems will pick the best candidate to beat trump. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

20 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Love my president, Hillary Clinton!

Hillary Clinton would beat Donald Trump in a general election match-up if the election were held today, a new poll shows.

Clinton beats Trump, 49% to 39%, head-to-head. She would be neck-and-neck with other GOP contenders -- including former tech CEO Carly Fiorina (45% to Clinton's 44%), retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson (46% to Clinton's 45%), former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (44% to Clinton's 45%).

Apples to oranges and you know it.

Not sure why you’re fighting so hard on this, your man the bern has the second best polling versus trump right now. Better than warren and Harris. 

[bad_teammate 13191]

07/2015 poll....

Sanders +5 over Trump
Clinton +12 over Trump
Biden +13 over Trump

The polls right now are not entirely worthless, but let's not pretend they have anything near the quality or predictive value they will have in 12+ months. It's a handy thing to take a brief glance at, but basing a primary selection on it is folly.

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

07/2015 poll....

Sanders +5 over Trump
Clinton +12 over Trump
Biden +13 over Trump

The polls right now are not entirely worthless, but let's not pretend they have anything near the quality or predictive value they will have in 12+ months. It's a handy thing to take a brief glance at, but basing a primary selection on it is folly.

Of course. Which is why I’ve been saying if they change so will my mind. 

But keep in mind trump has the advantage of incumbency, which means unless the economy tanks he can win in 2020. The dems margin for error is small, much smaller than in 2016. 

[ChiTownDoc 21143]

31 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

lol @ temporarily-not-Republicans "worrying" about whether or not I am going to vote for the Democrat

Definitely not you.  But there’s a large Bernie faction that won’t vote for Trump, but they’ll sure as shit pout and stay home, should Bern not win.  

[tantric superman 4667]

For the sake of my own sanity I am assuming that if economy doesn't tank, Trump gets four more years period.

[bad_teammate 13191]

22 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

For the sake of my own sanity I am assuming that if economy doesn't tank, Trump gets four more years period.

A very, VERY safe assumption.

[tucker 238]

Quote

The waiting game is over. Former Vice President Joe Biden is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, betting that a third time’s a charm.

It worked out that way for Ronald Reagan, but not Bob Dole. How will Biden fare? He imploded in spectacular fashion during his strongest bid for the Democratic nod in 1988, amid a plagiarism scandal and a series of embarrassing false boasts about his resume. Twenty years later, Biden was an afterthought in a clash of the titans between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Now Biden is at the very least a co-frontrunner with Vermont socialist Bernie Sanders and perhaps better positioned than that. Eight years as Obama’s vice president enhanced his reputation with Democrats nationally—that’s why President Donald Trump says his predecessor rescued Biden from the trash heap—but a repeat of past disasters could erode his standing.

Biden is still very much the same man Democrats rejected in 1988 and 2008, except older and more of a relic of a bygone political era. Even Bill Clinton’s retail politics skills deteriorated with age. With 20 major candidates, he, like Jeb Bush on the Republican side in 2016, has failed to clear the field. There are other precedents for how this could go badly. Rudy Giuliani spent most of 2007 leading national polls of Republican voters but then didn’t come close to winning a single primary.

Yet if Harvey Mudd repeated his 1980 question to Ted Kennedy—“Why do you want to be president?”—Biden could muster an answer. Politics doesn’t have to be as nasty or as ugly as it has gotten in the Trump era. We can go back to the fabled time when Democrats and Republicans dined together. Biden can explicitly promise to bring back a bipartisan spirit while implicitly offering to slow down the Democratic Party’s leftward lurch.

That could be a compelling message for a country weary of Trump’s Twitter outbursts, even if Biden has not always been Mr. Civility himself. What’s less certain is whether it is what Democrats will want in 2020. The appeal of South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg suggests that at least some of them do. Are there enough such voters to win the nomination?

The Biden dilemma is that the rationale for his candidacy, a return to pre-Trump normalcy, reinforces his biggest liabilities. His back-slapping, which with women often degenerates into caressing and hair-sniffing, is suspect in the MeToo era. His respectful attitude toward the cultural conservatism of blue-collar voters—a major reason he has a good chance to win back the industrial states Trump turned red in 2016—is out of vogue. His career dates back to when liberals had to do business with segregationists inside the Democratic Party.

Biden has already come under fire for his opposition to forced busing to achieve racial balance in de facto segregated public schools. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to object to busing, which objectively failed most places it was tried. But contemporary liberal discourse does not include the nuances necessary for such a discussion and it is unmistakably the case that genuine racists played a role in the 1970s anti-busing movement. Those are dangerous associations for a Democrat who eulogized Strom Thurmond to have.

The New Political Bosses Come for Joe Biden
Do Democrats Even Care About the Purple States?
If Biden makes it to the general election, he is vulnerable on all the same issues that Trump used against Hillary Clinton: his vote for the Iraq war, support for various free trade agreements, his playing of a far greater role in the 1994 crime bill than Hillary, closeness to special interests. Trump will certainly try to use Biden’s handiness to negate his own problems with women.

Sanders offers Democrats an appeal to working-class Pennsylvania voters without any of this baggage and a more thoroughgoing progressivism. Buttigieg adds diversity points to his pitch for civility. There are plenty of women in the field who do not have to explain their touching of women or treatment of Anita Hill during the 1991 Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings.

Biden has to bet that there are enough older and more moderate Democrats to get him through the primaries. Then he must hope Trump’s failure to deliver on his more populist campaign promises will make some of the lines of criticism that derailed Hillary implausible. All while staying a step ahead of the cultural revolution—remember the erstwhile Defense of Marriage Act supporter actually preempted Obama by coming out in favor of gay marriage first—without joining it.

Doable, certainly, but a tall order for an aging and undisciplined candidate. Biden accumulated political capital as Obama’s vice president. He is betting he has enough to spend to become president.

 

[Chooky 13307]

Hey, Joe, if you want to avoid looking too old and antiquated don't reiterate the fact that you're one of the architects of mass incarceration and the most failed financial boondoggle in American history called "The War on Drugs."  Ah, too late.  You're old and antiquated.

What a complete fucking moron.  I guess those millions raised in two days didn't provide his campaign staff the most clear cut and basic polling numbers on how to definitely lose a race. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 4/27/2019 at 12:28 PM, bad_teammate said:

lol @ temporarily-not-Republicans "worrying" about whether or not I am going to vote for the Democrat

Who cares how you vote.  

[Js1 85275]

11 minutes ago, Chooky said:

Hey, Joe, if you want to avoid looking too old and antiquated don't reiterate the fact that you're one of the architects of mass incarceration and the most failed financial boondoggle in American history called "The War on Drugs."  Ah, too late.  You're old and antiquated.

What a complete fucking moron.  I guess those millions raised in two days didn't provide his campaign staff the most clear cut and basic polling numbers on how to definitely lose a race. 

That quote was from 2010 but I don’t think he’s evolved any further left on the issue. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

19 minutes ago, Chooky said:

Hey, Joe, if you want to avoid looking too old and antiquated don't reiterate the fact that you're one of the architects of mass incarceration and the most failed financial boondoggle in American history called "The War on Drugs."  Ah, too late.  You're old and antiquated.

What a complete fucking moron.  I guess those millions raised in two days didn't provide his campaign staff the most clear cut and basic polling numbers on how to definitely lose a race. 

Gateway drug?  The gateway drug is the beer or booze you steal from yer dads stash in HS.  

[ChiTownDoc 21143]

Joe will be great for comedy.  That stance on weed.  Lol

[jimmyjazz 45887]

On 4/27/2019 at 11:19 AM, Js1 said:

Bad teammate is very complimentary of Warren, Beto, Pete and even Harris at times. And let’s be real, I trust him 1000% to vote for the D nominee versus you, a former Republican, who will pussy out and not vote when push comes to shove if it’s Bernie. 

I trust ChiTownDoc to do the right thing far more than I trust bad_teammate.

[ChiTownDoc 21143]

20 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I trust ChiTownDoc to do the right thing far more than I trust bad_teammate.

I do appreciate that.  I just think it’s funny JS felt the need to go there.  Also funny how when I mention what Bernie bros may do, people (and B_T himself) assume I’m talking about him.  

Those like JS and BT seem to have all this street cred on the left while making fun of suburban moms who are the same as they are.  I can assure them I’d look and feel right at home on the far south and west side’s of chicago, while they ‘feel the pain’ of colored folks.  Lol.  GTFO posers.  

[bad_teammate 13191]

"street cred on the left" is my neck tattoo. That, plus the black t-shirt with the cover of Gaddafi's Green Book screenprinted on the front, let's all the other political toughs on the street know who they're messing with

"CAPITALISTS, come out to play-y-ay!!"

I'm not sure what the opposite of street cred is, but whatever that is, it's me.

Unless by "street" you mean "the Internet" in which case, I guess?

The Internet has the impact of letting normally-disparate thinkers gather together while more mainstream, centrist thinkers (dum-dums) are basically everywhere saying things like, "I'm socially liberal, but fiscally conservative" and "we need to help the poor,  but the debt is a major problem" and "socialism is good in theory, but in practice..." and "government should be run like a business" at each other to signify how reasonable everyone and everything truly is.

Meanwhile, if you say that on Twitter you get a bunch of hooligans posting memes at you and calling you a dumb baby (which you would be to say things that dumb), which is basically like street violence I guess.

[Js1 85275]

7 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I do appreciate that.  I just think it’s funny JS felt the need to go there.  Also funny how when I mention what Bernie bros may do, people (and B_T himself) assume I’m talking about him.  

Those like JS and BT seem to have all this street cred on the left while making fun of suburban moms who are the same as they are.  I can assure them I’d look and feel right at home on the far south and west side’s of chicago, while they ‘feel the pain’ of colored folks.  Lol.  GTFO posers.  

LOL did you just call me a "poser" for being..... a Democrat talking about the Democratic nominee and who the Democrats would vote for?

Aren't you the poser because you bitch about how "far left" the Democrats are becoming while simultaneously saying how much you hate Donald Trump?  I have no faith you would vote for Bernie tomorrow if he was the nominee for Trump.  I don't think you'd vote for Trump, you're clearly far too intelligent and successful in life to fall for a fat carnival barking grifter.  I think you'd either not vote or vote Libertarian so you can feel better about it.  But you'd be one of the many then bitching on the internet about "the Democrats' fault" for getting Trump re-elected.  100%. 

Super duper glad you'd feel right at home on the south side of Chicago.  Chicago is a cool place.  My entire family is from Chicago (but I was born in Texas).  I don't make fun of suburban moms either, I was raised by one (a single one, at that).  And I think Bama Chick is the coolest suburban mom on the planet because she gets wine drunk and posts about Beto.  I love that shit.