Things seem to be going quite well for Joe Biden

[David Dennison 18952]

I agree with all of those things, BTW. I'd add to it by decriminalizing drugs and releasing non-violent drug offenders from prison.

[zork 629]

Biden surges in primary polls

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Former Vice President Joe Biden has surged in the polls since launching his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, opening up a double-digit lead over the rest of the field in two new national surveys.

A CNN poll released Tuesday found Biden jumping 11 points to 39 percent support, a 24-point lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who is at 15 percent support. No other candidate in the race has double-digit backing from respondents.

And a Morning Consult survey released Tuesday found Biden with 36 percent support, followed by Sanders at 22 percent. That’s a 6-point bounce for Biden from the same survey released earlier this month, while Sanders has fallen by 2 points. No other candidate reaches double-digit support in the Morning Consult poll, either.

Looks like good ole creepy Joe has his hands wrapped all over this race.

Edited May 1, 2019 by zork

[RDCanecutter 26478]

My [remarkably precise number of] black friends appear to have better sense than most Americans, and seem pretty loyal to their communities, so I am all for them getting some kind of check based on how many grandparents had to put up with frivolous shit at a water fountain.

[NowThis 931]

2020 is officially a disaster - Creep vs. Doftard.  I'm sickened by liberal picking this guy over Bernie or Pete, just going off Obama's coattails, a safe known person is all it takes i guess. What a shit show. 

[bad_teammate 13226]

OK, so someone who knows better let me know if I've got this right...

Beau Biden was married to Hallie
Hunter Biden was married to Kathleen

Beau dies in May 2015

Hunter and Hallie start dating
Hunter and Kathleen get divorced

Hunter and Hallie now break up

Good lord.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

14 hours ago, tantric superman said:

 

1)A vastly more extensive and available road to higher education and economic opportunity, 2) a more just legal system focused on retraining and rehabilitation and 3) more available social services to support the first two.

So, you're for reparations. 

[RDCanecutter 26478]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

 

That upper lip though.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

So, you're for reparations. 

Reparations should be something that assists/ compensates those who were dealt an injustice. The things Tantric lists would actually benefit the people
who were willing to take advantage of the opportunity, and the country would then benefit as well.  

Handing out dollars wouldn't do much of anything in most instances. So they're really not the same thing.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

5 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Reparations should be something that assists/ compensates those who were dealt an injustice. The things Tantric lists would actually benefit the people
who were willing to take advantage of the opportunity, and the country would then benefit as well.  

Handing out dollars wouldn't do much of anything in most instances. So they're really not the same thing.

The first issue here is that you are operating under a misconception of what "reparations" means.  It is not limited to cutting a check for something that happened to an ancestor. 

The second issue is that you are substituting your ammoral justification for the one he actually gave, which is that it is something we "owe African Americans for the lasting effects of slavery." 

[bad_teammate 13226]

Make America Moral Again is a great tagline, Joe, I love it!

I forsee no problems!

In court documents obtained by People magazine, Hunter's estranged wife, Kathleen, alleges that Hunter "created financial concerns for the family by spending extravagantly on his own interests." Said interests allegedly included "drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, strip clubs, and gifts for women with whom he has sexual relations." Kathleen also alleges that Hunter spent over $120,000 in two months.

Hunter balls and goes hard.

 

[henrygandorf 29197]

sorry for partying.

[Parliament 14349]

He's a Surly one-percenter. Move on to something else for your outrage.

[tantric superman 4668]

2 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

So, you're for reparations. 

If the programs I support were only geared to "wronged" groups, then I would be. 

But they aren't, so no.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

53 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Make America Moral Again is a great tagline, Joe, I love it!

Kathleen also alleges that Hunter spent over $120,000 in two months.

Hunter balls and goes hard.

 

Shit, I bought 4 tubes of silicone caulk in the last 2 months, FML.

[henrygandorf 29197]

58 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Make America Moral Again is a great tagline, Joe, I love it!

I forsee no problems!

In court documents obtained by People magazine, Hunter's estranged wife, Kathleen, alleges that Hunter "created financial concerns for the family by spending extravagantly on his own interests." Said interests allegedly included "drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, strip clubs, and gifts for women with whom he has sexual relations." Kathleen also alleges that Hunter spent over $120,000 in two months.

Hunter balls and goes hard.

 

if the last three years of american politics have taught us anything, is that being a dipshit, or being related to dipshits is not only permitted, it's rewarded.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

10 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

If the programs I support were only geared to "wronged" groups, then I would be. 

But they aren't, so no.

I don't follow.  You cited those as things that "America owes African Americans for the lasting effects of slavery."  What am I missing here? 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I don't follow.  You cited those as things that "America owes African Americans for the lasting effects of slavery."  What am I missing here? 

Again the slaves, the American Indians, Chinese. where does the list stop ?  

What America owes is a leveled playing field for every American citizen. Mailing out Publishers Clearing House checks is not the answer.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

4 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Again the slaves, the American Indians, Chinese. where does the list stop ?  

What America owes is a leveled playing field for every American citizen. Mailing out Publishers Clearing House checks is not the answer.

 

2 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

The first issue here is that you are operating under a misconception of what "reparations" means.  It is not limited to cutting a check for something that happened to an ancestor. 

 

[David Dennison 18952]

5 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Again the slaves, the American Indians, Chinese. where does the list stop ?  

What America owes is a leveled playing field for every American citizen. Mailing out Publishers Clearing House checks is not the answer.

It would be nice if America would get on with it.

[tantric superman 4668]

16 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I don't follow.  You cited those as things that "America owes African Americans for the lasting effects of slavery."  What am I missing here? 

An ability to understand the difference between the definitions of "reparations" and the occurrence of historical conquests and injustices which are wrongs against one or more groups of people that economically or in other ways disadvantage that group.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

An ability to understand the difference between the definitions of "reparations" and the occurrence of historical conquests and injustices which are wrongs against one or more groups of people that economically or in other ways disadvantage that group.

What does it mean to you to "owe" that group something? 

[tantric superman 4668]

2 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

The first issue here is that you are operating under a misconception of what "reparations" means.  It is not limited to cutting a check for something that happened to an ancestor. 

 

It's not limited to cutting a check but certainly the idea that any social policy that benefits the descendants of slaves or Jim Crow discrimination is a "reparation" is using a ridiculously broad definition. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_for_slavery

[Tyler Durden 132]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Make America Moral Again is a great tagline, Joe, I love it!

I forsee no problems!

In court documents obtained by People magazine, Hunter's estranged wife, Kathleen, alleges that Hunter "created financial concerns for the family by spending extravagantly on his own interests." Said interests allegedly included "drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, strip clubs, and gifts for women with whom he has sexual relations." Kathleen also alleges that Hunter spent over $120,000 in two months.

Hunter balls and goes hard.

 

Damn.  Hopefully, he doesn't give his son a job in the White House if elected.  

[tantric superman 4668]

3 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

What does it mean to you to "owe" that group something? 

Given that the United States allowed them to be enslaved, the United States owes all of their citizens the protections of the Constitution and owes those citizens who have suffered because of this historical legacy all of the benefits of it government programs and fair treatment under it's laws.   The US owes those groups acknowledgment and the preservation of the history.  The US should engage in "affirmative action" to any person or group who has not properly benefited from government programs because of the legacy of slavery and discrimination.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

4 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

It's not limited to cutting a check but certainly the idea that any social policy that benefits the descendants of slaves or Jim Crow discrimination is a "reparation" is using a ridiculously broad definition. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_for_slavery

Nobody is using that straw-man definition.   The reparations we are discussing are policies specifically geared to address the consequences of the legacy of slavery and give black communities a leg up.   Not generic policies that happen to help black people among many others

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

Given that the United States allowed them to be enslaved, the United States owes all of their citizens the protections of the Constitution and owes those citizens who have suffered because of this historical legacy all of the benefits of it government programs and fair treatment under it's laws.   The US owes those groups acknowledgment and the preservation of the history.  The US should engage in "affirmative action" to any person or group who has not properly benefited from government programs because of the legacy of slavery and discrimination.

Reparations are nothing more than financial affirmative action for that very purpose.   For example, the government has responsibility for years of housing discrimination that prevented blacks from accumulating wealth in the form of real property; therefore, the government should give extra financial assistance to black people as reparations for that wrong.   This is precisely the kind of reparations proposals that are being discussed in the mainstream right now. 

[tantric superman 4668]

3 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Nobody is using that straw-man definition.   The reparations we are discussing are policies specifically geared to address the consequences of the legacy of slavery and give black communities a leg up.   Not generic policies that happen to help black people among many others

I'm against any policy that takes from one group and gives to another based on solely on some legacy of slavery.  I am for any policy that identifies a need in the community and addresses it.  If social scientists can trace that need back to slavery, or the Trail of Tears, the theft of land from Mexican landowners in Texas, then I'll take note of that link and see whether that link should affect the way I address the current problem.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

I'm against any policy that takes from one group and gives to another based on solely on some legacy of slavery.  I am for any policy that identifies a need in the community and addresses it.  If social scientists can trace that need back to slavery, or the Trail of Tears, the theft of land from Mexican landowners in Texas, then I'll take note of that link and see whether that link should affect the way I address the current problem.

It will be paid from tax dollars, so it will take from everyone, not just one group.   Like literally every other governmental policy in existence. 

[bad_teammate 13226]

4 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

It will be paid from tax dollars, so it will take from everyone, not just one group.   Like literally every other governmental policy in existence. 

looks like SOMEONE doesn't have to fill out the secret "White People Tax" form from the IRS every year

[tantric superman 4668]

10 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

It will be paid from tax dollars, so it will take from everyone, not just one group.   Like literally every other governmental policy in existence. 

Really?  All of our policies are based "solely on the legacy of discrimination like slavery"?

A very very tiny percentage of our policies are not race neutral.

 

See the attached:  Discusses housing discrimination as a basis for reparations. See the two pages preceding conclusions.  You take a current situation and use historical knowledge to help come up with a race neutral solution.  At least that is where I would draw the line. 

http://people.oregonstate.edu/~kaplanj/Reparations.pdf

I've got no problem with liberalizing housing discrimination statutes to ease the burdens of proof.  Again, in a generally race neutral way.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, tantric superman said:

Really?  All of our policies are based "solely on the legacy of discrimination like slavery"?

No, all of our policies are "paid from tax dollars."  Clearly stated in the previous sentence.  There are only two; it shouldn't be hard to comprehend, particularly for someone who accuses others of lacking the "ability" to understand simple definitions. 

[tantric superman 4668]

10 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

No, all of our policies are "paid from tax dollars."  Clearly stated in the previous sentence.  There are only two; it shouldn't be hard to comprehend, particularly for someone who accuses others of lacking the "ability" to understand simple definitions. 

You aren't reading.  I said I wouldn't support one specific race based policy.  Which shouldn't be paid for by tax dollars.  

You're arguments about how policies are paid for by tax dollars are well taken, obvious though they are.

[Fozzz 152]

Creepy Joe is standing with Trump in supporting the Venezuelan coup.

 

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

14 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

You aren't reading.  I said I wouldn't support one specific race based policy.  Which shouldn't be paid for by tax dollars.  

You're arguments about how policies are paid for by tax dollars are well taken, obvious though they are.

I am reading.  Specifically the words "takes from one group," which apparently lacked as much meaning as your acknowledgment that we "owe" African Americans a number of social policies "for" the legacy of slavery. 

But your point about not treating your words as having actual meaning is well taken.  I won't anymore. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[tantric superman 4668]

54 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

I'm against any policy that takes from one group and gives to another based on solely on some legacy of slavery. 

Here's the full sentence.  You seem to be focusing [on] solely on the first part of the sentence and not the last.

But hey, you started this whole discourse insisting I was actually for reparations. So hopefully you feel good about that.

Edited May 1, 2019 by tantric superman

[zork 629]

even the babies know:

[zork 629]

[tantric superman 4668]

31 minutes ago, zork said:

2fer.  Joe's a playah.

[bad_teammate 13226]

1 hour ago, zork said:

Democrats: "LOOKS GOOD TO ME!"

[ChiTownDoc 21175]

Let's just usher him through this process and take the gloves off for grandpa Vs grandpa.  Winner gets to run what's left of this country into the ground. 

[bad_teammate 13226]

This man depletes my soul

 

[Hank Kingsley 21061]

Even though it's clear we need sweeping change in this country, the majority of Democrats' favorite candidate right now is a 4 year stop gap. Incredible. 

 

 

 

[David Dennison 18952]

7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Even though it's clear we need sweeping change in this country, the majority of Democrats' favorite candidate right now is a 4 year stop gap. Incredible. 

Just goes to show what polling bears out: most Democrats are not progressive and maybe not all that liberal.

[Hank Kingsley 21061]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Just goes to show what polling bears out: most Democrats are not progressive and maybe not all that liberal.

Very well may be true. I hope it's a sign that the majority are not really paying attention to the primary yet. 

 

[wildcat09 29436]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Just goes to show what polling bears out: most Democrats are not progressive and maybe not all that liberal.

I think what it actually shows is that most Democrats think that about other Democrats, but that's because they've been conditioned to think that for the past 30+ years. It's become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Hank Scorpio 17731]

Here's why I'm a Biden guy: 

1. The most important thing a candidate can have is experience. Who has more experience than 'ol Joey B? No one. He's been in the white house for 8 years already. The second closest (and second best candidate) is Trump.

2. Next most important thing is being practical. Who cares what you believe in if you can't get it passed. Joe B-man can reach across the aisle and compromise. Just look at Obamacare. That bill could never get passed today, and you know why? Partisanship. Obama knew the best way to get a comprehensive health care bill passed was to work with Republicans in good faith and come to a compromise, not to use the Democratic majority to push through a "better" bill. 

3. The final most important thing for a candidate to have is how much I want to have a beer with them. Lemme tell you, the Bides is exactly the kind of guy I'd like to knock back a couple of cold ones with and shoot the shit. 

 

[tantric superman 4668]

14 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Even though it's clear we need sweeping change in this country, the majority of Democrats' favorite candidate right now is a 4 year stop gap. Incredible. 

 

 

 

I don't know.  Trump getting elected probably has thrown a good number of normally rationally thinking individuals for a loop.   Why support the rational choice when the electorate if fucking crazy?

I would totally be for a Joe Biden who was 30 years younger who was generally moderate but sounded like he was willing to go to brunch with AOC and hear her out, even if he was going to torch most of the Green New Deal.  

[tantric superman 4668]

3 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Here's why I'm a Biden guy: 

...

3. The final most important thing for a candidate to have is how much I want to have a beer with them. Lemme tell you, the Bides is exactly the kind of guy I'd like to knock back a couple of cold ones with and shoot the shit. 

 

I'd rather do shots with Tulsi while she took me on a catamaran ride up and down the Na Pali Coast.

[henrygandorf 29197]

25 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Even though it's clear we need sweeping change in this country, the majority of Democrats' favorite candidate right now is a 4 year stop gap. Incredible. 

they don't want a stop-gap, they want a time machine, same as trump keeps selling.

problem is both have plans to take us to this "mythical time" that never really existed.  like when you romanticize an ex.  it wasn't how you remember.

let's move fucking on, america.

[tucker 238]

Biden will continue to sell out Americans.