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Brandywine

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9 hours ago, Clintonaldo said:

As someone who preferred Trump over Hillary I would vote Biden over Trump if he makes it. Or at least I was going to until exactly what you said.

Don’t give me that, you were always going to vote for Trump no matter who runs against him. 

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Biden could have served his party and country better by opting out and instead focusing on a grassroots effort targeting working class voters in the Midwest/Pennsylvania. He's not the candidate for this moment and his lack of enthusiasm within the Dem ranks is going to kill him. There's too many compelling candidates running.

 

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

Biden could have served his party and country better by opting out and instead focusing on a grassroots effort targeting working class voters in the Midwest/Pennsylvania. He's not the candidate for this moment and his lack of enthusiasm within the Dem ranks is going to kill him. There's too many compelling candidates running.

 

 

 

 

 

You say that like these aren’t career politicians with egos the size of planets. 

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9 hours ago, TexArcher said:

That tactic is 0 for 1.

There's nothing wrong with voting for the candidate you think has the best chance of beating Trump, even if s/he isn't your first choice among the Dems.  If all the Bernie Bots had gotten on board and shown up for Hillary, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.  But too many of them fell in love with an ideal and gave up once that was no longer an option.

And I'm telling you, this ultra-progressive side of the Democratic Party can fuck this thing up.  This election will be about winning the middle.  Figure out who can do that, and that's who you back.  And that isn't Warren, etc, no matter how good her ideas are.  She can advance that agenda from the seat she already holds, as long as she's got a sympathetic, sane, adult president.

Biden and a younger, more energetic VP could and would beat Trump.  It's not my first choice, but if that's what we get, I'll vote for it and volunteer for it.  This is a time for pragmatism over idealism.

A lot of bad punditry in this...

1) In 2015/16, Hillary was endlessly paraded around as the electable and ready candidate and the argument was made then that Bernie was unelectable as an old socialist weirdo. He was too far left and we could only win by "winning the middle", as you say.

As Chuck Schumer confidently stated, "For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin."

The last paragraph of this terrible post of yours gives the game away. You're confusing national politics with your own feelings as all the worst pundits do.

Those suburbs didn't deliver votes for Hillary. Suburban whites stuck with the Republicans, which is exactly what they will do again.

8 hours ago, TexArcher said:

The only point I'm trying to make is that there is nothing wrong with making your top priority getting Trump out instead of getting your favorite Dem in.

Then everyone who feels this way should stop talking until the primaries start and those polls come out, fair?

Talking about that a year out is nothing but concern trolling from someone who pretends he cares about beating Trump but really is just terrified of shifting the government left (closer to where the mass of people actually are).

8 hours ago, F250 said:

I think bad_teammate just pulled up in the parking lot.

Too lazy and dumb to get a rise out of me for that bit.

Needs a little mustard on it.

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Hank Kingsley

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7 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Fuck off.

If the country elects trump again it deserves to play in the rubble. Not Biden. A majority of voters disagree with your dumbass stance.

I get it. You hate Biden. Try to give yourself some credibility on the subject instead of posting hyperbolic bullshit like Biden is somehow equal to trump. 

Just because the country disagrees with you doesn’t make the country a bunch of idiots. Unless of course, they vote in trump again.  Then I’ll agree with you. 

1. I specifically said I'm not equating Biden and Trump in an earlier post. Keep up. 

2. What a Biden nomination/victory represents is a complete failure by Democrats to respond appropriately to Trumpism and a corrupt GOP. 

 

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Onboard 2.0

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7 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Fuck off.

If the country elects trump again it deserves to play in the rubble. Not Biden. A majority of voters disagree with your dumbass stance.

I get it. You hate Biden. Try to give yourself some credibility on the subject instead of posting hyperbolic bullshit like Biden is somehow equal to trump. 

Just because the country disagrees with you doesn’t make the country a bunch of idiots. Unless of course, they vote in trump again.  Then I’ll agree with you. 

The melt down begins.  You can't even have a civil discussion with your own tribe.  You must be a blast at your self help group meetings

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2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Those suburbs didn't deliver votes for Hillary. Suburban whites stuck with the Republicans, which is exactly what they will do again.

Hillary lost the suburbs by a relatively small margin, 55-45, but do you think Bernie would've done better?  Do you really think there were millions of people in suburbs who were ready to vote for Bernie, but when given the choice of Hillary or Trump, chose Trump, or chose to stay home?  And if so, wouldn't that prove my point about Bernie supporters?

And Hillary really lost the election on uneducated whites, many of whom are also rural working class whites, and she lost that demographic in a huge way (67% to 28%) because she didn't even bother to court those folks.  Joe would, and he would appeal to them.  Massive difference.

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Then everyone who feels this way should stop talking until the primaries start and those polls come out, fair?

Talking about that a year out is nothing but concern trolling from someone who pretends he cares about beating Trump but really is just terrified of shifting the government left (closer to where the mass of people actually are).

Concern trolling?  With all due respect, go fuck yourself.  

You overestimate the "mass of people" who are to the far left in spite of the rather glaring fact that Bernie couldn't win a primary over the least likable moderate Democrat ever.

And I'm not afraid of the government shifting further left.  I supported ACA and I support MFA.  I support just about anything to curb climate change, etc.  My concern is that pushing this far left agenda during a presidential campaign against Trump could be a loser.  I want him out more than I want any one particular candidate in.  And I was initially responding to the notion that such a viewpoint is wrong.  It's not.  Not with this guy.

Y'all have fun bashing Joe in the remainder of this thread.  He's not my favorite, either.  But if he ends up as the nominee, you'd better suck it up and go vote for him.

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3 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Hillary lost the suburbs by a relatively small margin, 55-45, but do you think Bernie would've done better?  Do you really think there were millions of people in suburbs who were ready to vote for Bernie, but when given the choice of Hillary or Trump, chose Trump, or chose to stay home?  And if so, wouldn't that prove my point about Bernie supporters?

No, I don't think Bernie would've done better in the suburbs. I think Bernie would've turned out the blue collar vote and more of the non-voting independents and, crucially, the Obama->Trump contingent.

I'm not sure what point you have about "Bernie supporters", and I don't think you do, either. There are dozens/hundreds of voting coalitions out there and it is the job of the candidate to attract enough of them to win. Hillary failed.

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And Hillary really lost the election on uneducated whites, many of whom are also rural working class whites, and she lost that demographic in a huge way (67% to 28%) because she didn't even bother to court those folks.  Joe would, and he would appeal to them.  Massive difference.

Perhaps, but you stated that the tactic of choosing based on who the best candidate is 0-1, which is false because Clinton was championed as the one who could beat Trump. It's the strategy YOU champion that is 0-1 against Donald, friendo.

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You overestimate the "mass of people" who are to the far left in spite of the rather glaring fact that Bernie couldn't win a primary over the least likable moderate Democrat ever.

The mass of people aren't "far left" in the overall world political spectrum, but they are further left than Congress and that isn't really arguable.

The public opposes tax cuts for the wealthy and wants higher welfare spending. The public is ahead of Congress on voting rights. The public is in stronger opposition to the police state and against the drug war.

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My concern is that pushing this far left agenda during a presidential campaign against Trump could be a loser.

Then take heart from this fact: Electability isn't real.

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4 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

 Nah no you won't ^^ exhibit A fuck off yourself brah

The thing about being on the side that actually has some elements of intellect and thoughtfulness and nuanced thinking is that sometimes people will disagree. While we might disagree about what exactly it is that we want, at the end of the day we all know what we don't want. And that's going to be plenty enough motivation in very short order. So like I said, we'll be alright.

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6 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

1. I specifically said I'm not equating Biden and Trump in an earlier post. Keep up. 

2. What a Biden nomination/victory represents is a complete failure by Democrats to respond appropriately to Trumpism and a corrupt GOP. 

 

Sorry I missed that then and therefore apparently completely missed your point. 

Internet hug. 

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6 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The melt down begins.  You can't even have a civil discussion with your own tribe.  You must be a blast at your self help group meetings

Actually I am a blast at my self help meetings. I work that crowd better than slick Willie and Mack Brown combined.  I mainly talk about you. It’s riveting stuff and everyone’s on the edge of their seat. 

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Bama Chick

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He’s just pulling a prank right?

This is just an elaborate troll to make us all thankful for the actual good choices we have.

The shit he says is just......I cannot form words right now.

I said it before and I’ll keep saying it, this is going to go down as the biggest fall from political grace in a very long time. He was the elder statesman! The beloved Uncle Joe! The kingmaker who could have been the “guiding hand” passing the torch, probably go out as Secretary of State and be revered by Democrats far and wide.

Instead he let his ego override his good sense and he’s going to go out in a screaming heap of flames while sucking Dick Cheney’s dick.

Godamnit Joe.

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38 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

He’s just pulling a prank right?

This is just an elaborate troll to make us all thankful for the actual good choices we have.

The shit he says is just......I cannot form words right now.

I said it before and I’ll keep saying it, this is going to go down as the biggest fall from political grace in a very long time. He was the elder statesman! The beloved Uncle Joe! The kingmaker who could have been the “guiding hand” passing the torch, probably go out as Secretary of State and be revered by Democrats far and wide.

Instead he let his ego override his good sense and he’s going to go out in a screaming heap of flames while sucking Dick Cheney’s dick.

Godamnit Joe.

I hope you’re right but the pessimist in me thinks Trump is going to force Joe Biden to victory out of his own insecurity. Sad!

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1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

He’s just pulling a prank right?

This is just an elaborate troll to make us all thankful for the actual good choices we have.

The shit he says is just......I cannot form words right now.

I said it before and I’ll keep saying it, this is going to go down as the biggest fall from political grace in a very long time. He was the elder statesman! The beloved Uncle Joe! The kingmaker who could have been the “guiding hand” passing the torch, probably go out as Secretary of State and be revered by Democrats far and wide.

Instead he let his ego override his good sense and he’s going to go out in a screaming heap of flames while sucking Dick Cheney’s dick.

Godamnit Joe.

And he’ll win the nomination.  I’m only half joking.  

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11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Such a scandal that Fox hired her.

I didn’t, nor would I, defend fox so try again. 

“This time show your work.”  

 

Clue-the DNC fucked Bernie...

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2 hours ago, Skyline said:

He's a little busy right now, please don't bother him with trivial questions like policy. 

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But, Mr Biden isn’t alone in the approach. Likewise, Pete Buttigieg has declined to go heavy on policy specifics, and has instead focused on the story he wants to tell about America, and has promised to bring in policy later.

Hmmm....

 

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Joe's been polling in the mid-30's and rising since his announcement.  This poll today says he's clobbering everyone else, opening up a 30 point lead on the next guy, Bernie.  The rest of all them thar people don't even add up to Joe put together:

Forty-four percent of Democratic voters surveyed said they are most likely to vote for Biden in the 2020 Democratic primaries. Sanders comes in second place at 14 percent, while Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) places third with just 9 percent, the poll found.

The survey results show a surge for Biden since he launched his presidential campaign last week. A Harvard CAPS/Harris survey from March pegged his support in the primary field at 35 percent, though at the time, he hadn’t yet entered the race…

When it comes to who voters think has the best chance of beating President Trump in the 2020 general election, Biden still has a significant lead, with 40 percent of respondents saying so. Sanders comes in after the former vice president at 13 percent.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442037-poll-biden-leads-dem-primary-field-by-30-points

Even if this is a slight outlier, it's pretty stunning.

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