The Neil Young Tone

[Mileslong 4728]

Neil is my favorite rock star, versatile, great songwriter, but it’s that tone that sets him apart for me.

 

When people ask what I’m talking about I usually have them listen to either Powderfinger, Cortez the Killer or Love and Only Love. Here is one few people I talk to have ever heard of but it a great example of that tone.

 

To get his tone all you need is a modded 1956 les Paul goldtop, paint it crudely with black paint put a p-90 in the neck, a firebird mini humbucker in the bridge, strap on a bigsby trem add some brass plating and your almost there. Then plug that beast into a 1959 fender tweed on the verge of blowing up and a whizzer then sprinkle in some unreal talent and you’re ready to go.

 

 

Behold “Walk like a Giant” live and it has whistling!

 

 

[JNip 132]

Last time that there was a tear running down my eye was when I saw Neil Young. Top 5 of all time for me.

[Gil Bang 25907]

1 hour ago, Mileslong said:

Neil is my favorite rock star, versatile, great songwriter, but it’s that tone that sets him apart for me.

 

When people ask what I’m talking about I usually have them listen to either Powderfinger, Cortez the Killer or Love and Only Love. Here is one few people I talk to have ever heard of but it a great example of that tone.

 

To get his tone all you need is a modded 1956 les Paul goldtop, paint it crudely with black paint put a p-90 in the neck, a firebird mini humbucker in the bridge, strap on a bigsby trem add some brass plating and your almost there. Then plug that beast into a 1959 fender tweed on the verge of blowing up and a whizzer then sprinkle in some unreal talent and you’re ready to go.

 

 

Behold “Walk like a Giant” live and it has whistling!

 

 

 

You forgot "be a total asshole".   That's a big part of Neil Young. 

[stc 1460]

Shakey is a fantastic read for any neil young fan. he's one of my top 3 all time. 

[Chad Fuck 17658]

Are "whizzers" those doo-dads on top of the amps that turn the dials to pre-set configurations?  

I remember reading about those 20 years ago and saying "My God.  This man is a GENIUS!  He has Jawa's on stage and Star Wars gizmo shit for his amps."

I still feel the same way.

I was in 7th grade playing acoustic in the church music group when one of the older guys taught me how to play my first Neil song.  I had no idea who Neil Young was, but this guy telling me about him had a 12 string Martin and showed up drunk at church sometimes (I suppose he needed to get as much fun in before confession as possible) so I was pretty sure it was legit.  

I've learned a shit load of Neil songs since, but this will always be my go to Neil tune, of what is still my favorite Neil record:

 

[jimmyjazz 45878]

 

[Mileslong 4728]

Are "whizzers" those doo-dads on top of the amps that turn the dials to pre-set configurations?  
I remember reading about those 20 years ago and saying "My God.  This man is a GENIUS!  He has Jawa's on stage and Star Wars gizmo shit for his amps."
I still feel the same way.
I was in 7th grade playing acoustic in the church music group when one of the older guys taught me how to play my first Neil song.  I had no idea who Neil Young was, but this guy telling me about him had a 12 string Martin and showed up drunk at church sometimes (I suppose he needed to get as much fun in before confession as possible) so I was pretty sure it was legit.  
I've learned a shit load of Neil songs since, but this will always be my go to Neil tune, of what is still my favorite Neil record:
 

Neil young’s whizzer and how it works

[Mileslong 4728]

 

I use the Formula 5 for my Neil tone, that Crazy Horse sounds good too, thanks Jimmy

[Grandioso 2592]

I was literally listening to formula 55 demos last night. Is the formula 5 just an earlier version?

Also, I played a Belle Epoch yesterday. Ho lee fuk. 

This song has great Neil tone. Ragged Glory is the best album for illustrating the most saturated heavy riffs IMO. Guitar solo starts around 4:50 minute mark.

 

 

 

[Mileslong 4728]

I always said that if I could play one guitar performance including song, solo and venue it would be comfortably numb with David Bowie and Gilmour here:

Second might be Neil playing Love and Only Love in Madrid in front of like 100k. He extends this version like he always does live and the crowd just goes nuts.

He plays an intro to the intro lulz and just watching him stomp around the stage is so awesome. Great example of the Neil tone

[Mileslong 4728]

I was literally listening to formula 55 demos last night. Is the formula 5 just an earlier version?
Also, I played a Belle Epoch yesterday. Ho lee fuk. 
This song has great Neil tone. Ragged Glory is the best album for illustrating the most saturated heavy riffs IMO. Guitar solo starts around 4:50 minute mark.
 
 
 

Hell yes, mine is a second gen formula 5 I believe....

[hullabelew 3723]

I've been meaning to but the Durham pedal for a while now.

[Grandioso 2592]

Someone with a Tweed Deluxe RI and record some chops with these settings. Post immediately.

Here are Neil's Whizzer settings: For the highest volume, we have both the tone and the main volume on 12 and the second volume knob is at about 9.9. When it really compressed and breathing and screaming, that's whats going on. You can hear it on "Cortez". If we push it past 9.9 the sound goes away. The next button down moves his volume to 10, which just cleans it up. It's still broken up but its less garbled. The third button sets his volume on 6 with his that other volume still at 9.9 and the tone just down a little. The fourth preset moves one volume to 3,the other volume to 0, and backs the tone off a bit, its really bright and clean, almost country sounding.

[tbone_ 14106]

Doesn’t he play Magnatone now?

[Grandioso 2592]

Doesn’t he play Magnatone now?

All the dudes in promise of the real do. Neil might mix in magnatones but his core setup is solid tweed.


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[thrillhammer 683]

that is his signature tone, but he hasn't always had it.  in the early days he was more country/folky, and he played a gretsch then, right?  what's the first album that this tone came out on?  rust never sleeps maybe?  I have live weld and it seems like pretty much every song is coming through this distortion.

[dcbc 14465]

I've got a Magic 5e3 (Fender Tweed Deluxe Clone).  The builder has this demo.  He gets into some Neil about half way through.  Great little amp.  No pedals required.  Volume knobs are interactive without jumping channels.  Rolling off the guitar volume a bit can take you from compressed/distorted to beautiful cleans. 

 

[Errestaurants 2570]

On 4/3/2019 at 11:38 PM, Gil Bang said:

You forgot "be a total asshole".   That's a big part of Neil Young. 

He's not an Asshole if you're an Old Man

[stc 1460]

Funny how things that start spontaneously end that way. Eat a peach. - Neil.

[jimmyjazz 45878]

That's cold.

[Sbbruin 21828]

Daryl Hannah video'ing him on the porch of their ranch.  Epic.

https://neilyoungarchives.com/movie-night

[VABuckeye 2472]

Fuck.  Asshole or not that's amazing stuff.  There's a generation of musicians that will be gone before long that are irreplaceable.

[Mileslong 4728]

Daryl Hannah video'ing him on the porch of their ranch.  Epic.
https://neilyoungarchives.com/movie-night

I subscribe to his archives and hasn’t seen this yet. Two songs in and I’m already lost in the music.

[AnotherUTFan 9727]

In case anyone missed it, Neil finally released the lost album "Homegrown" a few weeks ago. It's a masterpiece and immediately among his best albums IMO. 

Recorded in 74 and 75, it's mostly about his breakup with Carrie Snodgrass. He deemed it too personal to release back then. 

Incredibly, at the time he replaced its release with "Tonights the Night", which had been recorded in '72 about the heroin overdoses of two members of his circle. An extremely raw, emotional album. For me, a desert island record.

[alincoln 2371]

Ditch Trilogy FTW.

On the Beach remains my favorite.

[Gil Bang 25907]

I'm a huge fan of the music, and always found the man to be an asshole.

Went down the youtube rabbithole the other night.  Found an old interview with Stills.  "Neil's my buddy, my best friend, blah blah blah".  Then he talked about all the times that Neil fucked him/them over.  Headed to NYC to play The Tonight Show when Carson was still in NY.   Neil bails at the last  minute.  Buff Springfield loses a huge opportunity for exposure.  Refuses to be on camera for the Woodstock movie.

Stills says "Neil has never, ever played a team sport.  Not once".  Meaning, of course, that he literally never played basketball, football, baseball, etc.  He has no idea about how to be a part of something bigger than himself; it's all about Neil all the time. 

[Chad Fuck 17658]

I'm a huge fan of the music, and always found the man to be an asshole.
Went down the youtube rabbithole the other night.  Found an old interview with Stills.  "Neil's my buddy, my best friend, blah blah blah".  Then he talked about all the times that Neil fucked him/them over.  Headed to NYC to play The Tonight Show when Carson was still in NY.   Neil bails at the last  minute.  Buff Springfield loses a huge opportunity for exposure.  Refuses to be on camera for the Woodstock movie.
Stills says "Neil has never, ever played a team sport.  Not once".  Meaning, of course, that he literally never played basketball, football, baseball, etc.  He has no idea about how to be a part of something bigger than himself; it's all about Neil all the time. 

I recall hearing “he follows his muse and nothing else” in the context of a Neil Young documentary. That’s when the light bulb went off for me. It’s the perfect thing to say when what you really want to say is, “Goddam he’s an asshole, but he makes great music.”

But since I don’t hang out with him, I still keep on rockin, guilt free. One of my all time favs for sure.

[dcbc 14465]

So I'm catching up on this thread and wanted to mention a few things about the Whizzer settings for those unfamiliar with how these old Tweed 5e3 amps behave.

The volume knobs are interactive, even with the guitar plugged into one channel.  Starting with the volume you have the guitar plugged into.  At 3, you are mostly at full volume (technically maxes at 6).  Before 3, there's almost no volume.  0--60 in nuthin flat.  From there, it just gets more compressed/distorted all the way up to 11.5.  At 12, it will cut out to nothing for some reason (or maybe that's the unused volume knob; I can't remember).  Tone is tone, but adds some hair after about 9.  The other volume knob interacts by lessening the distortion as you turn it up.  So if he has the input volume on 5 and turns the other volume up to 9, he's cleaning up the level of distortion a bit.  Turn the other volume down to 2, and it adds the hair back.  With all of this, the amp, even if running super nasty, will give a beautiful clean if the guitar volume gets rolled off from max to 7 or so.

So with the Whizzer settings above, I don't see any of that lessening the overall volume since that maxes out at around 6 on the main volume input.  What the Whizzer is doing is adjusting the amount of distortion/hair/compression/tone.  Clean or dirty is almost entirely accomplished with guitar volume.  A 5e3 really doesn't have a clean tone with the guitar on 10.

It's way more complex than this.  For a 3 knob amp, the thing is supremely complicated and can keep you more busy than a board full of dirt pedals.

Edited August 9, 2020 by dcbc

[Dennis Taylor 18807]

On 7/20/2020 at 7:52 AM, Chad Fuck said:

I recall hearing “he follows his muse and nothing else” in the context of a Neil Young documentary. That’s when the light bulb went off for me. It’s the perfect thing to say when what you really want to say is, “Goddam he’s an asshole, but he makes great music.”

But since I don’t hang out with him, I still keep on rockin, guilt free. One of my all time favs for sure.

Heard Tom Morello on Sirius XM yesterday tell a story about when RATM was doing some festival tour and playing right before Neil, who was the headliner. Tom said Hey Hey My My was his favorite song and Neil always played it as his encore. Rage would have to leave for the next town before Neil was done so he would miss it. He got the chance to meet Neil and was starstruck and nervous as hell, and awkwardly told him he loved the song and it would be cool to mix it up and open his set with it. He said Neil gave him the most condescending, dismissive look and didn't even respond.  And the next night he opened with it

[Chad Fuck 17658]

On 8/5/2020 at 10:31 AM, Dennis Taylor said:

Heard Tom Morello on Sirius XM yesterday tell a story about when RATM was doing some festival tour and playing right before Neil, who was the headliner. Tom said Hey Hey My My was his favorite song and Neil always played it as his encore. Rage would have to leave for the next town before Neil was done so he would miss it. He got the chance to meet Neil and was starstruck and nervous as hell, and awkwardly told him he loved the song and it would be cool to mix it up and open his set with it. He said Neil gave him the most condescending, dismissive look and didn't even respond.  And the next night he opened with it

I believe it.

[tbone_ 14106]

It probably shouldn’t, but when I hear of artists being dicks like that it completely turns me off to their work.

[ztejas 43411]

35 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

It probably shouldn’t, but when I hear of artists being dicks like that it completely turns me off to their work.

So do you not listen to good music then?

[stc 1460]

what about shitty music made by really nice people? 

[tbone_ 14106]

So do you not listen to good music then?

I mostly stick to Pantera.

[dcbc 14465]

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by dcbc

[Grandioso 2592]

 

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Just weeks after the release of the 10-disc set Archives Volume II 1972-1976 and the live album/film Return to Greendale, he has announced that Way Down in the Rust Bucket, a 1990 Crazy Horse club gig, will come out on February 26th as a film and double album.

The show took place November 13th, 1990 in front of 800 lucky fans at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz, California, two months after the release of Ragged Glory and shortly before the start of a long arena tour with Sonic Youth and Social Distortion.

Oh hell yes.

[Grandioso 2592]

Way Down in the Rust Bucket is out! (Streaming on archives website until full release on 2/26).

Sounds fucking good. Love that there is now a good live version of "Don't Cry No Tears," one of my favorites.

Neil Young Archives

[stc 1460]

Iove Neil young but releasing everything through that incredibly shitty archives website is stupid, and a very Neil young thing to do. There have been several releases that i've been interested in but never heard because...archives.

[stc 1460]

Created between January and September 1971, this docu-film takes us on an intimate journey to Young’s farm in Northern California for the ‘Harvest Barn’ sessions, to London for an iconic performance with the London Symphony Orchestra and to Nashville where the then 20 something Neil Young worked on various tracks of this signature album. The feature is a fan piece that has never been seen before. Performance and rehearsal content is intertwined into creative storytelling and includes most of the tracks from album Harvest (released in 1972) including “Heart of Gold”, “A Man Needs A Maid”, “Alabama” and “Old Man”.

[Braff Zacklin 13552]

A personal favorite:

 

[dcbc 14465]

This is the 5e3 Clone I own, and the video is the amp builder doing a demo.  I've got it cued up to the Neil tone demo.

 

 

[stc 1460]

saw harvest time in the theater last night. there's some pretty incredible footage of them jamming in his barn while they're working out the songs for harvest...long jams from alabama and words. neil recording with the london symphony orchestra was also cool. some hilarious clips of them in the studio in nashville, clearly inebriated, recording backing vocals with crosby, stills, and nash. they all seemed to be having a very good time. his ranch looks very badass. if you're looking for backstory on the songs you'll be disappointed, it's more like a snapshot of what the vibe was like during the recording. 

[4th&Five 41506]

Going to see it Sunday and looking forward to it. 

[Gil Bang 25907]

 

[Litig8r 414]

i absolutely suck at guitar.  I keep thinking a Robert Johnson deal will happen and suddenly I can play.  I pick up a guitar try something for 10 minutes and then say "fuck it, not today".  BUT i am real close to buying a Dunham Crazy horse pedal

 

[Litig8r 414]

I think I found the magic bullet 

[tigol 2395]

I think I found the magic bullet 

Do it.

[Chad Fuck 17658]

That one showed up in my feed as well.

[Deej 76750]

On 1/24/2024 at 11:29 AM, Litig8r said:

I think I found the magic bullet 

[ajax 2600]

I was at the famous Pearl Jam show in Golden Gate park, the one where Eddie got deathly ill due to food poisoning. After a handful of songs, Eddie left the stage and Neil Young had to come out and play the rest of the show with the rest of Pearl Jam.

So I inadvertently saw a Neil Young show.

I got in for free because my buddy worked for the company that did the recycling for the show and I volunteered to help empty the bins, but man the paying crowd (50k plus people) was not happy. It was hot as fuck and we went from rocking Pearl Jam songs to ponderous folk rock.

In retrospect, I guess it was a cool experience.