De'Gabriel Floyd diagnosed with stenosis, to miss the 2019 season

[Machinator 32097]

IMO he's done for good, but this is the official word.

 

[htownjd 43]

Fuck. He was going to be a leader in the locker room for the class too.

[Machinator 32097]

 

[SDG 3319]

What is stenosis?

[Gut Wagon 8017]

T J Ford has it as well, correct? Not that any two cases are alike. 

[Auto Driller 2502]

Paging @Magus Ossis

[GotThatFire 166]

Fuuuuuuck

[Fire Jack Chevigny 938]

Sucks. Hook ‘Em young man.

[Michael Knight 12663]

This is a fuck

[VirginiaLonghorn 4717]

Didn’t they discover Earl had stenosis .. after his career was completed?

[bschoolprof 6219]

17 minutes ago, SDG said:

What is stenosis?

In general, it means narrowing of something.  In this case, I'm guessing spinal stenosis  - narrowing of spinal canal.  

[Augustus 3061]

Prayers for the kid.  

[TexArcher 36905]

Damn.  

[Grippe 308]

I arsn't giving up on the kid.  Take the year, work on yer degree, stay healthy and get another evaluation in January.

[Machinator 32097]

Good post from Magus Ossis on stenosis:

 

[tantric superman 4667]

Strong kid.  Will rise above it.

[Cairn Horn88 8034]

1 hour ago, bschoolprof said:

In general, it means narrowing of something.  In this case, I'm guessing spinal stenosis  - narrowing of spinal canal.  

Do you accept Medicare?

[LTtxfan 48688]

Dang....... Dang....... Dang

Surprising the Horns may lose 4 quality players in just over a year who barely played or never played even 1 down for Texas.

2018  OL Mikey Grandy medical retirement

2019  OL  Patrick Hudson medical retirement

2019  RB   Derrian Brown seizure (may not play again)

2019  LB  De'Gabriel Floyd stenosis (may not play again)

Prayers for all these fellows..... 🙏🙏🙏

[Mitch Hedberg 2086]

RB and LB, the positions we could probably least afford losing players for the season. Was really looking forward to DGF wrecking shit this year. Hopefully both kids just have healthy lives.  

[6th Street 6246]

Did he play his Sr year in HS with this back injury?

[GreenspointTexas 9353]

He’s done with football imo. You dont just get shut down for a year with spinal stenosis and then come back and play football the next year.

 

if its bad enough to sit out a year, then its most likely bad enough to cause him to give up football

[ztejas 42744]

Have to assume he'll never play a down for us, anything more than that would be a bonus. 

Someone will need to step up in that room. Interestingly, our last title team was a little thin at LB at featured a lot of youngins. 

With how good and deep our secondary is it's not a kiss of death for the 2019 defense, but there's going to be a lot of scheming for Orlando to do. 

[LTtxfan 48688]

15 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

He’s done with football imo. You dont just get shut down for a year with spinal stenosis and then come back and play football the next year.

if its bad enough to sit out a year, then its most likely bad enough to cause him to give up football

Hope DGF is getting counseling help right now.  Really a tough situation for a freshman in college to face the possibility that he may not ever be able to play football again.🙏🙏🙏 

Here's some hope on another thread....

According to Dr. Hecht, players with spinal stenosis are at increased risk of stingers. However, they are also at risk for a more serious condition called cervical cord neuropraxia. Dr. Hecht had much to say about cervical cord neuropraxia, but the main distinguishing difference in this condition and a stinger is the presence of these symptoms in multiple limbs; both arms, both legs, or an arm and a leg.

With all this said, Dr. Hecht was extremely clear about one thing. "Congenital spinal stenosis is not a contraindication of playing football."

In other words, you can play with it. Nothing about spinal stenosis indicates that you can't.

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Vito Andolini 9036]

When I hear of spinal stenosis, I think of the condition that led Michael Irvin to retire early. But here’s to hoping the outcome is different for DeGabriel (the early retirement part, not the Hall of Fame career Playmaker had).

[South Austin 51411]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Interestingly, our last title team was a little thin at LB at featured a lot of youngins. 

I don’t know about you, but I’ve bought my playoff tickets.

[ztejas 42744]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I don’t know about you, but I’ve bought my playoff tickets.

Does the Southeast corner have room for the Ehlinger statue?

[texifornia 55993]

So this is pretty much a non-issue except as it relates to contact sports, right?

Like it's awful he can't play football for a lot of reasons, but he has every opportunity in the world to have a successful life otherwise?

[Bevo 13418]

2 hours ago, Vito Andolini said:

When I hear of spinal stenosis, I think of the condition that led Michael Irvin to retire early. But here’s to hoping the outcome is different for DeGabriel (the early retirement part, not the Hall of Fame career Playmaker had).

Just an FYI.. Spinal stenosis is congenital. This means that Irvin, assuming he had spinal stenosis, was able to have an NFL Hall of Fame Career before he retired "early" due to a problem that he had had since birth.

[LTtxfan 48688]

Forgot that DGF has family support that lives locally.....

Howe:  "his support system, the Miller family, Tony and Jean — Tony retired from law enforcement about four or five years ago in L.A., helped raise De'Gabriel. They retired early, still had young kids, and they were looking for a place in the country to retire. They chose Austin, Texas."

Edited April 7, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Magus Ossis 2737]

I was surprised when it seemed to come out this spring that no MRI had been done before he was initially held out. Stenosis is not necessarily congenital, and I have seen no official word either way in DGF’s case, but I imagine that his likely is. I have heard no definitive word about 1) bilateral rather than the usual one-sided “stinger” symptoms, 2) episodes of quadriparesis, 3) cord deformation on MRI, 4) loss of the expected curvature of his cervical spine, or 5) a history of spear tackling by DGF.

Any of the first three could mean he is done, and 4+5 together as well. If he’s out a year, it’s a good bet this is forever.

[Napoleon 8577]

First I would like to say that that suck and for DGF to "Get Well Soon". I hope that he can play again, but if it is no-bueno, then I hope that he continues to be a recruiter for the team, gets a good degree, and perhaps becomes a student assistant coach (however that is done.

 

Next, I'm wondering...

Can Justin Flowe reclassify like USC's QB did and get to Austin by June?

PLEASE!!!!!!

[Bevo 13418]

My guess is the doctors here and the West Coast say he is done so he ends up playing somewhere in the Southeast.

[gmr548 16254]

As much as it sucks from a football perspective, I'm glad it was identified and he is now going to have access to very high quality medical care. I'm no doctor but everything I have read on here and elsewhere would indicate that this isn't an existential threat to his health or well-being, just that it would be if football was involved. He will still have a chance to get a degree a to get a degree from Texas and pursue anything else he wants to do in life; I'm sure the staff would allow for him to transition to a student assistant type role if that is coaching. It sucks, but it isn't the worst case scenario.

If you're a coach at Texas, you have to assume he never plays a down at this point. If that ends up not true, then awesome, but in terms of recruiting, depth, etc. you basically have to treat it as if he never signed.

[SquishMitten 10368]

19 hours ago, texifornia said:

So this is pretty much a non-issue except as it relates to contact sports, right?

Like it's awful he can't play football for a lot of reasons, but he has every opportunity in the world to have a successful life otherwise?

That’s going to depend on severity. He can have a successful life in that it’s not going to kill or paralyze him, but some people have a lifetime of chronic pain.

[MrPhlegm 3413]

Didn’t they discover Earl had stenosis .. after his career was completed?

Yes, a long long time after his football career was completed.

[D_Goose 474]

Spinal stenosis diagnosis is what ended Cooper Manning's career. 

[HookMD 37]

This is a bummer and I agree that he may be done.

[SHOOTER12 8766]

On 4/6/2019 at 1:59 PM, Machinator said:

Good post from Magus Ossis on stenosis:

 

Cervical stenosis?  The man has a vagina?  Doomed... we're doomed I tell you...

[ChiTownDoc 20840]

On 4/6/2019 at 6:15 PM, Bevo said:

Just an FYI.. Spinal stenosis is congenital. This means that Irvin, assuming he had spinal stenosis, was able to have an NFL Hall of Fame Career before he retired "early" due to a problem that he had had since birth.

Not necessarily 

On 4/6/2019 at 11:54 PM, Magus Ossis said:

I was surprised when it seemed to come out this spring that no MRI had been done before he was initially held out. Stenosis is not necessarily congenital, and I have seen no official word either way in DGF’s case, but I imagine that his likely is. I have heard no definitive word about 1) bilateral rather than the usual one-sided “stinger” symptoms, 2) episodes of quadriparesis, 3) cord deformation on MRI, 4) loss of the expected curvature of his cervical spine, or 5) a history of spear tackling by DGF.

Any of the first three could mean he is done, and 4+5 together as well. If he’s out a year, it’s a good bet this is forever.

Magus Ossis fixed it.  And if he's out for a year and there's not some sort of procedure planned, I don't see how he's coming back, ever.  Theoretically if he had a laminectomy done, it could open up some room and he'd have to rehab, but could come back.  I didn't see anywhere that he's going through surgery.  If he had actual myelopathy then it would be a surgical case.  I didn't see that mentioned either. 

[Scholz 11892]

On 4/6/2019 at 3:49 PM, Vito Andolini said:

When I hear of spinal stenosis, I think of the condition that led Michael Irvin to retire early.

Me too.  Reminds me of that time he went down motionless vs the Eagles due to that condition and their fans were cheering wildly because they thought his neck was broken.  Classy bunch.

[jimmyjazz 45055]

On 4/6/2019 at 2:49 PM, GreenspointTexas said:

He’s done with football imo. You dont just get shut down for a year with spinal stenosis and then come back and play football the next year.

LOL.  Just another day on the Greenspoint 40 Acres.

Come on, dude.  At least google some shit.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

On 4/6/2019 at 1:49 PM, GreenspointTexas said:

He’s done with football imo. You dont just get shut down for a year with spinal stenosis and then come back and play football the next year.

 

if its bad enough to sit out a year, then its most likely bad enough to cause him to give up football

I’m surprised to see your negative outlook on this situation.

[Tex Long 4264]

Hell, i had an uncle had stenosis of the liver. His neck was fine, but he didn't play any football after his diagnosis. 'Course, he was fifty-something when they caught it.

[LTtxfan 48688]

247 Thread on rumor of DGF considering a transfer to LSU..... Maybe hoping another school would clear him just like a player (Jarvis Jones) that left USC (MD's wouldn't clear him),  played  for Georgia and made it to NFL....

May just be a hoax??

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Board/21/Contents/DeGabriel-Floyd-question-for-MODs-131026242/

Edited April 10, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Machinator 32097]

5 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

247 Thread on rumor of DGF considering a transfer to LSU..... Maybe hoping another school would clear him just like a player (Jarvis Jones) that left USC (MD's wouldn't clear him),  played  for Georgia and made it to NFL....

May just be a hoax??

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Board/21/Contents/DeGabriel-Floyd-question-for-MODs-131026242/

It's been debunked.

[LTtxfan 48688]

Jarvis Jones story..... From 2012

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/8448679/georgia-bulldogs-lb-jarvis-jones-long-journey-back-field-espn-magazine

UGA fans hope Jones leads them to their first SEC title since 2005. 

TWO AND A half years and more than 2,000 miles ago, Jarvis Jones was just another washed-up football player, shooting pickup hoops at a Southern California gym. After eight promising games as a true freshman linebacker for USC, Jones was sidelined indefinitely with a neck injury, barred from putting on his pads or helmet. "It was," he says, "depressing."

The injury occurred against Oregon on Halloween in 2009. By all accounts, it was a routine hit, but after staying on the turf for a few seconds, he was removed from the game. Within days, he found himself in the hospital, where a specialist told him he had a "mild" case of spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal column. "I've seen this over and over again," Jones remembers the doctor saying. "If you play the game long enough, things like this will happen."

The doctor told Jones he would be fine and he could play again. But the Trojans' team doctors thought the injury was much more serious and refused to clear him for contact; they eventually recommended that Jones retire from football. So the then-20-year-old spent his days wandering from class to the basketball gym to the weight room. "Just like a regular student," he says. Just a 6'3", 241-pound student who considered trying out for USC's basketball team.

"But in my head," Jones says, "I never let go of the fact that the first specialist told me I'd be okay."

In fact, he's been better than okay. Now an All-American for the No. 5 Georgia Bulldogs, Jones is arguably the best defender in college football, a master of technique with a sixth sense for tracking down quarterbacks. A year after leading the SEC with 13.5 sacks, Jones has continued to camp out in opponents' backfields this season. Following a 41-20 win over Missouri on Sept. 8, in which Jones had two sacks, an interception and two forced fumbles, ESPN Insider Mel Kiper Jr. moved Jones to the top of his NFL draft Big Board, where he remains. More than on athleticism and strength, though, Jones will tell you he excels because of a certain learned relentlessness. "Every film session, every rep in the weight room, every play," Jones says, "I treat it like it's my last. Going through what I've gone through, I understand you never know when it's all going to be taken away."

When Jones was 15, his older brother, Darcell Kitchens, was murdered outside of a bar in Richland, Ga. The tragedy nearly derailed Jones academically before he even reached high school, as a spate of skipped classes and fistfights led to multiple expulsions. But eventually his brother's memory served as inspiration. The football field became his outlet.

Emerging from Carver High School in Columbus, Ga., Jones was a sought-after ESPN 150 recruit with a simple plan: Head west to learn under USC's then-linebackers coach Ken Norton Jr. "I was ready to win championships and then go to the NFL," he says. Almost immediately upon arrival, Jones made it clear he had what it took to succeed. "A lot of guys have speed, but they're not tough," Norton says. "Then some guys are tough but slow. Then there are guys who have all of that but no football smarts or work ethic. Jarvis has it all. It's not even fair." Norton, like Jones, truly believed the Trojans had signed their next great linebacker.

Then the hit happened. Jones broke off a blitz to make a tackle on a short check-down pass, but the Oregon receiver slid underneath, causing Jones' head to connect with the hip of a teammate. "I felt my shoulders go numb," he says.

After an unsettling moment, Jones rose and headed to the sideline, where medical staff immediately ran tests and determined he had a neck sprain. He missed the remainder of USC's 47-20 loss. When he returned to LA, Jones saw the specialist who buoyed his hopes of returning -- before the Trojans' doctors sunk them. Jones sat out the next game. He didn't play the next week either, or the next. Jones' status was still unclear when the season ended. "It seemed like just a regular linebacker injury," says Norton, who followed USC head coach Pete Carroll to the Seattle Seahawks after the season. "I don't think any of us thought it'd be as serious as it turned out."

Spring 2010 arrived with new coach Lane Kiffin at the helm, but the team doctors' prognosis remained the same. "There's a serious concern," Kiffin told reporters before spring practice, "that hits or a number of hits could lead to permanent damage."

At a loss, Jones began to wonder if other team doctors would clear him. So Carver High coach Dell McGee called Georgia, Florida State and Alabama on Jones' behalf. Not surprisingly, all of the coaches said that if doctors cleared him, they wanted him.

First, Jones received clearance from a doctor in North Carolina. Next, Georgia coach Mark Richt was by his side as he underwent tests at a hospital in Athens, three hours north of Columbus. "When Jarvis told me he missed drinking sweet tea," Richt says, "I knew we had a good chance." Once those Georgia doctors officially gave Jones their blessing, he sat with Richt at a nearby restaurant in June 2010. "Coach," Jones said, "I'm a Dawg."

Much like Norton drew Jones to USC, recently hired defensive coordinator Todd Grantham revved up the linebacker to come to Georgia. Shortly before giving Richt his commitment, Jones sat in a local Cracker Barrel as Grantham, fresh off a stint as D-line coach for the Dallas Cowboys, explained how he'd use him in the Bulldogs' new 3-4 system. The two instantly bonded over a shared obsession with the finer points of technique.

Watch Jones on a Saturday and you'll see their vision come to life. He explodes at the snap, going from stance to engagement to running free in the backfield in what seems like nanoseconds. Scary thing is, Jones has been a true pass rusher for only one season. At the start of his freshman year at Carver High, he was a receiver. Jones hated it. Tight end was no better. His junior year, he found a home at middle linebacker, mostly plugging holes. Not until 2011, after his redshirt year in Athens, did he finally move outside.

Ask teammates to explain Jones' ability to dismantle offensive linemen and they don't mention his truck-width shoulders or his quick first step. They point to something barely noticeable on the field: his hands. "He always has a new move," says Georgia junior offensive tackle Kenarious Gates. "If you leave your hands where he can get ahold of them, you don't have a chance. He'll embarrass you."

Kiper is adamant that Jones can be just as effective on Sundays next season. In what appears to be a weak offensive draft pool, Jones has an opportunity to be the first linebacker selected No. 1 overall since Aundray Bruce in 1988. "He has the elite skills that you look for," says Kiper, who projects Jones' impact to be on par with that of Von Miller, the 2011 NFL defensive rookie of the year for the Broncos. "Size, speed, strength, explosiveness, range. And his intangibles are off the charts."

Still, while his play speaks for itself, there's no putting the hit behind him yet. As the 2013 draft approaches, Jones' neck will likely be evaluated once more. "There are no absolutes when it comes to stenosis," says ESPN injury analyst Stephania Bell, a board-certified orthopedic clinical specialist. "It's not uncommon for doctors to have differing opinions, and players must be evaluated on an individual basis. But if the condition is severe, injury could result in permanent neurological damage."

Jones insists that his neck is fine. No pain. No numbness. He says the injury's lone lingering effect is mental: "I know what it's like to not have this game in my life."

And now he knows the will it takes to get it all back.

Edited April 10, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Yesh 903]

Herman mentioned "aggressive rehab" from now until he is re-evaluated in January.  Is that something that has a realistic shot at making a difference?

[Magus Ossis 2737]

Rehab is unlikely to reduce his risk of a big problem, but it might help any symptoms from small problems. When there is relative stenosis (bony canal for a nerve is larger than the nerve but smaller than normal), inflammation of the surrounding tissue can more easily result in irritation of the nerve. Rehab can help with inflammation. Also, when disc injury is part of the narrowing equation, some or all of the offending disc material can resorb over time.

Despite the overwhelmingly greater participation in football than riding jet skis, the latter results in ten times more blunt-trauma catastrophic head/neck injury. It seems unlikely our medical team is going to clear DGF, but I would not necessarily fault him, his parents, or the giver of a second opinion for having a different risk-tolerance threshold and putting him on the field.

edit: typo corrected

Edited April 12, 2019 by Magus Ossis

[Machinator 32097]

TFB on Floyd: https://texas.thefootballbrainiacs.com/2019/04/open-post-weekend-april-12th-14th/

Quick Hitter | Future of Floyd
– Will Baizer

There are rumors floating around out there about the future of De’Gabriel Floyd, including one I saw on an LSU site that alleged he is looking to transferring to LSU. I’ve checked with three sources in different place. Here are their responses:

“Not true.”

“No. That’s not true at all. It’s 100% false.”

“That would be news to me.”

I’ll piece together the info I’ve received to give you a picture of my understanding of what is happening to stop the guessing.

– De’Gabriel Floyd has a herniated disc. This seems to be a huge factor at play because it is the main cause behind the spinal stenosis that is holding him out.

– Per spineuniverse.com, a bulging disc or fragments from a herniated disc can then protrude into the spinal canal or pinch on the nerve extending through the foramen. Ligaments connecting the vertebrae may also degenerate and allow the vertebrae to shift, which can pinch the spinal cord or nerves. I have a picture below that displays an example of what is possibly happening.

– The plan going forward with De’Gabriel Floyd is to put him through rigorous physical therapy to reduce the swelling in his herniated disc causing the spinal stenosis. As a very last resort, Floyd may undergo surgery for the herniated disc.

– All parties are optimistic about his treatment; however, I will not tell you that it is 100% happening. The neck is tricky.

For now, they have been toying around with Jeffrey McCulloch at Mac linebacker to see if they can get Caleb Johnson on the field alongside him at Rover. However, the plan right now is Ayodele Adeoye as the Mac and McCulloch as the Rover to start.

As was stated in the comments by one user, it is likely Texas will go after a graduate transfer linebacker after the Spring.

[texifornia 55993]

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Despite the overwhelmingly greater participation in football than riding jet skis, the latter results in ten times more blunt-trauma catastrophic head/neck injury.

Seriously, though, I love jet skis. That's ...disconcerting.