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  On 5/30/2018 at 4:25 PM, Scholz said:

Those on the right refuse to ever apologize or call out one of their own even in the face of rank bigotry.  It's always whataboutism.  Everything including Roseanne puking all over herself immediately splits the country along party lines.  Just like everything else.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 4:13 PM, Chrispy said:

Your contention that, at any point in her fatuous apology tour, Reid took responsibility for her beliefs is bizarre. Her claim is that she didn’t write them, so this feigned evolution of her beliefs on homosexuality is a silly notion. She should have lost her job, but now she’s currently hosting her own show and excoriating Roseanne in town halls. I’m sorry, but I find this particularly irony distasteful and a testament to the importance of where you are located on the political spectrum.

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Why do you continue to insist on making things up?   I've never contended that Reid "took responsibility for her beliefs."   On the contrary, as I just said, I said Reid should be fired for lying about her past statements.   

What I said was that the statements were old and she repudiated them in the present.   If Joy Reid started blasting gays on Twitter today, the response would have been completely different.   Because people are generally given at least some leeway to move on from mistakes made a decade ago. 

And we know for a fact that the same leeway was given to Roseanne because she suffered no apparent consequences from her 2013 tweet comparing Susan Rice to an ape. 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 4:34 PM, Onboard 2.0 said:

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Eloquent.  Maybe take your meds while you're on full tilt.

Or show me I'm wrong.  Call out Roseanne and Trump for being racist bigots.  You couldn't if you tried.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 4:17 PM, Chrispy said:

You serious Clark?

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Yes, what homophobic slurs did Joy Ann Reid Tweet?

Joy Ann Reid said some somewhat-homophobic things on a blog over a decade ago. No slurs at all. No Tweets.

Roseanne called a black woman an ape on Twitter this week.

 

These situations are not analogous and you are a dishonest troll.

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Roseanne has also said all kinds of racist shit against arabs in the past, although that form of bigotry is far more socially acceptable than the type she engaged in yesterday.  It's fine to be a racist, but you have to keep it within the bounds of respectability.  

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  On 5/30/2018 at 4:59 PM, bad_teammate said:

Yes, what homophobic slurs did Joy Ann Reid Tweet?

Joy Ann Reid said some somewhat-homophobic things on a blog over a decade ago. No slurs at all. No Tweets.

Roseanne called a black woman an ape on Twitter this week.

 

These situations are not analogous and you are a dishonest troll.

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I’m sorry, but you’re unfortunately incorrect. While her method of delivery was not Twitter, the remarks were equally disgusting. Suggesting that “adult gay men tended to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types” or calling Gov. Charlie Christ gay and naming him “miss Charlie”, while insisting his marriage was a sham, are absolutely slurs. Hell, she admitted in her blog that she was “probably homophobic”. Er, I mean the hacker admitted as much. There are different standards and it’s abundantly clear you’re ok with them. 

I expected far better banter from you, you’re slipping BT. 

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Posted (edited)
  On 5/30/2018 at 3:15 AM, SaucyJack said:

Just checkin' to see if ole Lee or the Southern Strategy was disgusting to you.

Apparently not.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 4:00 PM, Scholz said:

I'll bite.  Lee Atwater formulated the Republican Southern Strategy which has been pandering to racist whites for the past half century since the parties switched during the Civil Rights movement in the 60s.  Trump is the logical conclusion of that racist political strategy, Frankenstein's monster coming home to roost or whatever.  This is the origination and constituency of the Tea Party/rebranded Freedom Caucus/Trump's unwavering base. Trump's overt racism has now emboldened such rank bigots as Roseanne to feel they can do and say whatever they want.  Connect the dots.  That's WTF.

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Thanks for spelling that out for Newy.  I don’t have the patience.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 4:36 PM, Mojo Hand said:

Why do you continue to insist on making things up?   I've never contended that Reid "took responsibility for her beliefs."   On the contrary, as I just said, I said Reid should be fired for lying about her past statements.   

What I said was that the statements were old and she repudiated them in the present.   If Joy Reid started blasting gays on Twitter today, the response would have been completely different.   Because people are generally given at least some leeway to move on from mistakes made a decade ago. 

And we know for a fact that the same leeway was given to Roseanne because she suffered no apparent consequences from her 2013 tweet comparing Susan Rice to an ape. 

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She repudiated the tenor of the comments that she claimed to have never made, how big of her. It caught up to Roseanne, rightfully so in my opinion, but Reid will face no such consequences. As evidenced by the disingenuous town hall in which she’s allowed a platform to preach the dangers of bigotry, without a hint of irony. 

You suggest it’s simply time that is the reason for the differences, however; I feel you’re, at best, being conned. 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 5:01 PM, Fozzz said:

Roseanne has also said all kinds of racist shit against arabs in the past, although that form of bigotry is far more socially acceptable than the type she engaged in yesterday.  It's fine to be a racist, but you have to keep it within the bounds of respectability.  

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She called Susan Rice a man with large, swinging ape balls about 5 years ago. Roseanne’s rank bigotry against black ladies is documented in the public record. ABC knee what they were hiring.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 5:17 PM, Chrispy said:

I’m sorry, but you’re unfortunately incorrect. While her method of delivery was not Twitter, the remarks were equally disgusting. Suggesting that “adult gay men tended to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types” or calling Gov. Charlie Christ gay and naming him “miss Charlie”, while insisting his marriage was a sham, are absolutely slurs. Hell, she admitted in her blog that she was “probably homophobic”. Er, I mean the hacker admitted as much. There are different standards and it’s abundantly clear you’re ok with them. 

I expected far better banter from you, you’re slipping BT. 

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Negged for spending the past page trying to turn this thread into a Joy Ried thread with your whataboutism.  There's already another thread for that, and since nobody here works for her network and can fire her I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 5:38 PM, Tom said:

Negged for spending the past page trying to turn this thread into a Joy Ried thread with your whataboutism.  There's already another thread for that, and since nobody here works for her network and can fire her I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

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Well, you obviously scanned over the content fairly quickly, so I’ll forgive your ignorance. My original assertion was that Roseanne should have used Reid’s defense that she was hacked, as there is precedent for it being effective. It then spiraled into certain posters defending Reid’s comments, which I found to be disturbing and felt it would be inappropriate not to address.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 5:22 PM, bad_teammate said:

I'm not a Joy Ann Reid fan. I dislike her for a lot of reasons, but the situations are no analogous and your statement about her was untrue. You're a bad troll.

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Meh, you have to do better than that BT. Simply using phrases such as troll doesn’t relieve you of the responsibility of pointing out my untrue statements. It’s an easier path and I understand why you chose it, but it’s ultimately lazy. 

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Meh, you have to do better than that BT. Simply using phrases such as troll doesn’t relieve you of the responsibility of pointing out my untrue statements. It’s an easier path and I understand why you chose it, but it’s ultimately lazy. 

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LOL, get the fuck out of here.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:01 PM, Anastasis said:

Why the fuck would Sanofi wade in to this. Jesus.  Twitter seems fundamentally incompatible with common sense.

 

 

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Well to be fair, they are putting out a disclaimer because a good 30% of the population is stupid and gullible enough to believe it might cause racism.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:01 PM, Anastasis said:

Why the fuck would Sanofi wade in to this. Jesus.  Twitter seems fundamentally incompatible with common sense.

 

 

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Why not?  Seems like a perfect opportunity for free advertising and to denounce racism.

It’s a no-brainer strategically speaking.

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Posted
  On 5/30/2018 at 6:01 PM, Anastasis said:

Why the fuck would Sanofi wade in to this. Jesus.  Twitter seems fundamentally incompatible with common sense.

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No one can resist the chance to kick someone else in the crotch.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:03 PM, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Well to be fair, they are putting out a disclaimer because a good 30% of the population is stupid and gullible enough to believe it might cause racism.

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If I was working in their pharmacovigilance department I would be cringing at the thought of their twatter feed making reference and drawing further attention to a national media dialogue involving erratic behavior after taking ambien, but what do I know.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:07 PM, Anastasis said:

If I was working in their pharmacovigilance department I would be cringing at the thought of their twatter feed making reference and drawing further attention to a national media dialogue involving erratic behavior after taking ambien, but what do I know.

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Good point, although it's pretty well-known.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:06 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Why not?  Seems like a perfect opportunity for free advertising and to denounce racism.

It’s a no-brainer strategically speaking.

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OK Hugo. Good job Sanofi tying your name explicitly into a national conversation about some racist doped up on their product  saying stupid things on twitter. Bang up marketing strategy there.  Twittards agree.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:10 PM, Anastasis said:

OK Hugo. Good job Sanofi tying your name explicitly into a national conversation about some racist doped up on their product  saying stupid things on twitter. Bang up marketing strategy there.  Twittards agree.

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Roseanne injected Ambien into the conversation.  Seems like their approach to setting the record straight was appropriate.

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Marching orders, troll, idiots, it’s all the same rhetoric used to invalidate one’s opinions. It’s not a very effective tool, but one that is easily accessible and cuts about as deep as a butter knife. 

I rather enjoy debates and try to dissuade myself from using derogatory language, although I’m not immune from succumbing to such behavior. I come here to sharpen my arguments and generally enjoy reading the opposite point of view. So in that vein, if I strayed the topic too far off topic, I do apologize. 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:04 PM, Hornius Emeritus said:
 
Who the hell is Joy Reid and why are we discussing her on a thread plainly titled "Roseanne?"


Seriously. No idea who this person is, but it’s clear she’s a librul and a way to deflect from Roseanne being a racist shitbag?

  On 5/30/2018 at 6:06 PM, Bill Brasky said:
Look at me!!! Look at how politically correct I am!!!!!


Not sure the context of this statement. But it’s crazy that some people truly believe that not saying racist shit is somehow a problem of political correctness. This is where we are in America, in 2018. Fucking lunacy.
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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:25 PM, 'stache said:

Not sure the context of this statement. But it’s crazy that some people truly believe that not saying racist shit is somehow a problem of political correctness. This is where we are in America, in 2018. Fucking lunacy.

 

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i'm pretty sure we all know the context of that statement.

 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:25 PM, Chrispy said:

Marching orders, troll, idiots, it’s all the same rhetoric used to invalidate one’s opinions. It’s not a very effective tool, but one that is easily accessible and cuts about as deep as a butter knife. 

I rather enjoy debates and try to dissuade myself from using derogatory language, although I’m not immune from succumbing to such behavior. I come here to sharpen my arguments and generally enjoy reading the opposite point of view. So in that vein, if I strayed the topic too far off topic, I do apologize. 

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In order for this to happen, you'd actually have to begin by presenting valid opinions, you dipshit.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 1:15 PM, Mojo Hand said:

For all the talk from the right about libs and Hollywood, here's yet another example of an entertainer on the right having a prominent role in pushing their political narratives, to the delight of the base. 

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Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

And if this is all for real, it should be ignored because the goal of a model apostate a la Christopher Hitchens is to attract as much attention as possible via the launching of rabid repudiations of one's own political past, and we ought not to coddle that via paying even a microsecond's attention to it. 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:07 PM, Anastasis said:

If I was working in their pharmacovigilance department I would be cringing at the thought of their twatter feed making reference and drawing further attention to a national media dialogue involving erratic behavior after taking ambien, but what do I know.

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I’m glad they are. Even if it’s for stupid reasons, fewer people need to be taking that drug.

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:34 PM, hpslugga said:

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

And if this is all for real, it should be ignored because the goal of a model apostate a la Christopher Hitchens is to attract as much attention as possible via the launching of rabid repudiations of one's own political past, and we ought not to coddle that via paying even a microsecond's attention to it. 

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She is in the "9/11 was an inside job" intersect of the vinn diagram of alt-left and alt-right. 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:34 PM, hpslugga said:

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

And if this is all for real, it should be ignored because the goal of a model apostate a la Christopher Hitchens is to attract as much attention as possible via the launching of rabid repudiations of one's own political past, and we ought not to coddle that via paying even a microsecond's attention to it. 

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The political spectrum is damn near a circle. It's not remotely rare for idiots to drift between what sane people would consider to be the far left and the far right. It's not quite the same, but just look at all the idiots that were die hard libertarians a few years ago that have become die hard ethnostate authoritarian Trumpers. Idiots can be very passionate at different times in wildly divergent beliefs.

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I don't blame the drug maker for commenting.  Ambien is already a punch line for people wanting to blame their behavior on something besides themselves.   If anything, I think Ambien only releases your inhibitions and brings out your true self.  Now maybe it goes over emphasizes your true self but so be it.   I applaud them for making a joke of it by pointing the finger back at Roseanne for this episode.

Roseanne has shown that she is truly representative of many in the US.  She tweets stories that have zero basis of truth.  Like how she said that Chelsea Clinton married into the Soros family when Chelsea's husband is not related to Soros.    And its not like that is even his last name.    Instead Roseanne must have read it somewhere so it became fact to her.

 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:34 PM, hpslugga said:

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

And if this is all for real, it should be ignored because the goal of a model apostate a la Christopher Hitchens is to attract as much attention as possible via the launching of rabid repudiations of one's own political past, and we ought not to coddle that via paying even a microsecond's attention to it. 

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It's hard to label these days because the lines are all jumbled up.  IMO Trumpism is a new distillation of various threads in the right, and it's pulled in some people who wouldn't have been Republicans before.   I admittedly don't know too much about Roseanne's political history, but her Twitter before this event is filled with screeds about liberals and nutty shit from Breitbart.   I think she was an early supporter of Trump, before the show reboot. 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:34 PM, hpslugga said:

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:44 PM, Lagunamadre said:

She is in the "9/11 was an inside job" intersect of the vinn diagram of alt-left and alt-right. 

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  On 5/30/2018 at 6:45 PM, wildcat09 said:

The political spectrum is damn near a circle. It's not remotely rare for idiots to drift between what sane people would consider to be the far left and the far right. It's not quite the same, but just look at all the idiots that were die hard libertarians a few years ago that have become die hard ethnostate authoritarian Trumpers. Idiots can be very passionate at different times in wildly divergent beliefs.

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This sequence of posts.

When you head out to the lunatic fringe, you're not about being a spot on the political spectrum.  You're existing almost totally OUTSIDE the traditional spectrum.  The problem happens when (1) you LABEL yourself as something (see Trump calling himself a Republican), and (2) the folks who live by that label are more loyal to the label than any particular thought behind it.

That's how the GOP went from pro-free trade to protectionist all but overnight, as just one example.  And yes, with the GOP it's also more complicated -- for example, they cultivated dog-whistle racism, which inevitably ended in open racism.

But, as another example, the intersection from the most extremist "Occupy Wall Street" crowd and the most extremist "MAGA" crowd is almsot indistinguishable.

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