Roseanne

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

8 minutes ago, Scholz said:

Those on the right refuse to ever apologize or call out one of their own even in the face of rank bigotry.  It's always whataboutism.  Everything including Roseanne puking all over herself immediately splits the country along party lines.  Just like everything else.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha........  Yeah, right pal......

[Mojo Hand 4580]

10 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Your contention that, at any point in her fatuous apology tour, Reid took responsibility for her beliefs is bizarre. Her claim is that she didn’t write them, so this feigned evolution of her beliefs on homosexuality is a silly notion. She should have lost her job, but now she’s currently hosting her own show and excoriating Roseanne in town halls. I’m sorry, but I find this particularly irony distasteful and a testament to the importance of where you are located on the political spectrum.

Why do you continue to insist on making things up?   I've never contended that Reid "took responsibility for her beliefs."   On the contrary, as I just said, I said Reid should be fired for lying about her past statements.   

What I said was that the statements were old and she repudiated them in the present.   If Joy Reid started blasting gays on Twitter today, the response would have been completely different.   Because people are generally given at least some leeway to move on from mistakes made a decade ago. 

And we know for a fact that the same leeway was given to Roseanne because she suffered no apparent consequences from her 2013 tweet comparing Susan Rice to an ape. 

[Scholz 11979]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha........  Yeah, right pal......

Eloquent.  Maybe take your meds while you're on full tilt.

Or show me I'm wrong.  Call out Roseanne and Trump for being racist bigots.  You couldn't if you tried.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Scholz

[Fozzz 152]

Firing Roseanne is how we got Trump.

[bad_teammate 13226]

39 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

You serious Clark?

Yes, what homophobic slurs did Joy Ann Reid Tweet?

Joy Ann Reid said some somewhat-homophobic things on a blog over a decade ago. No slurs at all. No Tweets.

Roseanne called a black woman an ape on Twitter this week.

 

These situations are not analogous and you are a dishonest troll.

[Fozzz 152]

Roseanne has also said all kinds of racist shit against arabs in the past, although that form of bigotry is far more socially acceptable than the type she engaged in yesterday.  It's fine to be a racist, but you have to keep it within the bounds of respectability.  

[Chrispy 132]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Yes, what homophobic slurs did Joy Ann Reid Tweet?

Joy Ann Reid said some somewhat-homophobic things on a blog over a decade ago. No slurs at all. No Tweets.

Roseanne called a black woman an ape on Twitter this week.

 

These situations are not analogous and you are a dishonest troll.

I’m sorry, but you’re unfortunately incorrect. While her method of delivery was not Twitter, the remarks were equally disgusting. Suggesting that “adult gay men tended to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types” or calling Gov. Charlie Christ gay and naming him “miss Charlie”, while insisting his marriage was a sham, are absolutely slurs. Hell, she admitted in her blog that she was “probably homophobic”. Er, I mean the hacker admitted as much. There are different standards and it’s abundantly clear you’re ok with them. 

I expected far better banter from you, you’re slipping BT. 

[bad_teammate 13226]

I'm not a Joy Ann Reid fan. I dislike her for a lot of reasons, but the situations are no analogous and your statement about her was untrue. You're a bad troll.

[Fozzz 152]

Joy Ann Reid deserves a one way ticket to the gulag, imo. 

[SaucyJack 3504]

14 hours ago, SaucyJack said:

Just checkin' to see if ole Lee or the Southern Strategy was disgusting to you.

Apparently not.

 

1 hour ago, Scholz said:

I'll bite.  Lee Atwater formulated the Republican Southern Strategy which has been pandering to racist whites for the past half century since the parties switched during the Civil Rights movement in the 60s.  Trump is the logical conclusion of that racist political strategy, Frankenstein's monster coming home to roost or whatever.  This is the origination and constituency of the Tea Party/rebranded Freedom Caucus/Trump's unwavering base. Trump's overt racism has now emboldened such rank bigots as Roseanne to feel they can do and say whatever they want.  Connect the dots.  That's WTF.

Thanks for spelling that out for Newy.  I don’t have the patience.

Edited May 30, 2018 by SaucyJack

[Chrispy 132]

41 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Why do you continue to insist on making things up?   I've never contended that Reid "took responsibility for her beliefs."   On the contrary, as I just said, I said Reid should be fired for lying about her past statements.   

What I said was that the statements were old and she repudiated them in the present.   If Joy Reid started blasting gays on Twitter today, the response would have been completely different.   Because people are generally given at least some leeway to move on from mistakes made a decade ago. 

And we know for a fact that the same leeway was given to Roseanne because she suffered no apparent consequences from her 2013 tweet comparing Susan Rice to an ape. 

She repudiated the tenor of the comments that she claimed to have never made, how big of her. It caught up to Roseanne, rightfully so in my opinion, but Reid will face no such consequences. As evidenced by the disingenuous town hall in which she’s allowed a platform to preach the dangers of bigotry, without a hint of irony. 

You suggest it’s simply time that is the reason for the differences, however; I feel you’re, at best, being conned. 

[High Plains Drifter 11054]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Ya know Joy is taking up 2 of the top ten "trending topics" among russian trolls, including the top spot.

https://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/

 

 

Of course. We didn't need your link to know that because Crispy the Surly house troll here posting about Joy Reid.

[Scholz 11979]

34 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Roseanne has also said all kinds of racist shit against arabs in the past, although that form of bigotry is far more socially acceptable than the type she engaged in yesterday.  It's fine to be a racist, but you have to keep it within the bounds of respectability.  

She called Susan Rice a man with large, swinging ape balls about 5 years ago. Roseanne’s rank bigotry against black ladies is documented in the public record. ABC knee what they were hiring.

[Tom 2959]

18 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

I’m sorry, but you’re unfortunately incorrect. While her method of delivery was not Twitter, the remarks were equally disgusting. Suggesting that “adult gay men tended to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types” or calling Gov. Charlie Christ gay and naming him “miss Charlie”, while insisting his marriage was a sham, are absolutely slurs. Hell, she admitted in her blog that she was “probably homophobic”. Er, I mean the hacker admitted as much. There are different standards and it’s abundantly clear you’re ok with them. 

I expected far better banter from you, you’re slipping BT. 

Negged for spending the past page trying to turn this thread into a Joy Ried thread with your whataboutism.  There's already another thread for that, and since nobody here works for her network and can fire her I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

[TornACL 7733]

^ The goal is pure obfuscation

[Chrispy 132]

3 minutes ago, Tom said:

Negged for spending the past page trying to turn this thread into a Joy Ried thread with your whataboutism.  There's already another thread for that, and since nobody here works for her network and can fire her I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Well, you obviously scanned over the content fairly quickly, so I’ll forgive your ignorance. My original assertion was that Roseanne should have used Reid’s defense that she was hacked, as there is precedent for it being effective. It then spiraled into certain posters defending Reid’s comments, which I found to be disturbing and felt it would be inappropriate not to address.

[Chrispy 132]

24 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I'm not a Joy Ann Reid fan. I dislike her for a lot of reasons, but the situations are no analogous and your statement about her was untrue. You're a bad troll.

Meh, you have to do better than that BT. Simply using phrases such as troll doesn’t relieve you of the responsibility of pointing out my untrue statements. It’s an easier path and I understand why you chose it, but it’s ultimately lazy. 

[SubliminalHorn 6815]

Chrispy is obsessed with Joy Reid. It’s a little weird. 

[TornACL 7733]

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Meh, you have to do better than that BT. Simply using phrases such as troll doesn’t relieve you of the responsibility of pointing out my untrue statements. It’s an easier path and I understand why you chose it, but it’s ultimately lazy. 

LOL, get the fuck out of here.

[Anastasis 23471]

Why the fuck would Sanofi wade in to this. Jesus.  Twitter seems fundamentally incompatible with common sense.

 

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Why the fuck would Sanofi wade in to this. Jesus.  Twitter seems fundamentally incompatible with common sense.

 

 

Well to be fair, they are putting out a disclaimer because a good 30% of the population is stupid and gullible enough to believe it might cause racism.

[Hornius Emeritus 12495]

9 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Chrispy is obsessed with Joy Reid. It’s a little weird. 

 

Who the hell is Joy Reid and why are we discussing her on a thread plainly titled "Roseanne?"

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Why the fuck would Sanofi wade in to this. Jesus.  Twitter seems fundamentally incompatible with common sense.

 

 

Why not?  Seems like a perfect opportunity for free advertising and to denounce racism.

It’s a no-brainer strategically speaking.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[TornACL 7733]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Why the fuck would Sanofi wade in to this. Jesus.  Twitter seems fundamentally incompatible with common sense.

No one can resist the chance to kick someone else in the crotch.

[Bill Brasky 1468]

Look at me!!! Look at how politically correct I am!!!!!

[Anastasis 23471]

Just now, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Well to be fair, they are putting out a disclaimer because a good 30% of the population is stupid and gullible enough to believe it might cause racism.

If I was working in their pharmacovigilance department I would be cringing at the thought of their twatter feed making reference and drawing further attention to a national media dialogue involving erratic behavior after taking ambien, but what do I know.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

11 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Chrispy is obsessed with Joy Reid. It’s a little weird. 

Marching orders were sent out, and the paid trolls and useful idiots carry them out.  Same as always. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

Just now, Anastasis said:

If I was working in their pharmacovigilance department I would be cringing at the thought of their twatter feed making reference and drawing further attention to a national media dialogue involving erratic behavior after taking ambien, but what do I know.

Good point, although it's pretty well-known.

[Sawbonz 27706]

Doesn't cause racism, just binge behavior with no recall.  Good for sexy time, bad for bank accounts

[Anastasis 23471]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Why not?  Seems like a perfect opportunity for free advertising and to denounce racism.

It’s a no-brainer strategically speaking.

OK Hugo. Good job Sanofi tying your name explicitly into a national conversation about some racist doped up on their product  saying stupid things on twitter. Bang up marketing strategy there.  Twittards agree.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

Marching orders were sent out, and the paid trolls and useful idiots carry them out.  Same as always. 

It is a fascinating phenomenon, I even got sucked into the Joy Reid irrelevant who gives a fuck bullshit.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, Anastasis said:

OK Hugo. Good job Sanofi tying your name explicitly into a national conversation about some racist doped up on their product  saying stupid things on twitter. Bang up marketing strategy there.  Twittards agree.

Roseanne injected Ambien into the conversation.  Seems like their approach to setting the record straight was appropriate.

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[Nolacycling 893]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Ya know Joy is taking up 2 of the top ten "trending topics" among russian trolls, including the top spot.

https://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/

 

 

That's a cool website. The Secret Barrister was interesting re: Tommy Robinson.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[High Plains Drifter 11054]

26 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Chrispy is obsessed with Joy Reid. It’s a little weird. 

No, its not. Its completely predictable. Russia speaks, Crispy leaps to the keyboard.

[Chrispy 132]

Marching orders, troll, idiots, it’s all the same rhetoric used to invalidate one’s opinions. It’s not a very effective tool, but one that is easily accessible and cuts about as deep as a butter knife. 

I rather enjoy debates and try to dissuade myself from using derogatory language, although I’m not immune from succumbing to such behavior. I come here to sharpen my arguments and generally enjoy reading the opposite point of view. So in that vein, if I strayed the topic too far off topic, I do apologize. 

['stache 21895]

 
Who the hell is Joy Reid and why are we discussing her on a thread plainly titled "Roseanne?"

Seriously. No idea who this person is, but it’s clear she’s a librul and a way to deflect from Roseanne being a racist shitbag?

Look at me!!! Look at how politically correct I am!!!!!

Not sure the context of this statement. But it’s crazy that some people truly believe that not saying racist shit is somehow a problem of political correctness. This is where we are in America, in 2018. Fucking lunacy.

[hayden_horn 11365]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Not sure the context of this statement. But it’s crazy that some people truly believe that not saying racist shit is somehow a problem of political correctness. This is where we are in America, in 2018. Fucking lunacy.

 

i'm pretty sure we all know the context of that statement.

 

[TornACL 7733]

3 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Marching orders, troll, idiots, it’s all the same rhetoric used to invalidate one’s opinions. It’s not a very effective tool, but one that is easily accessible and cuts about as deep as a butter knife. 

I rather enjoy debates and try to dissuade myself from using derogatory language, although I’m not immune from succumbing to such behavior. I come here to sharpen my arguments and generally enjoy reading the opposite point of view. So in that vein, if I strayed the topic too far off topic, I do apologize. 

In order for this to happen, you'd actually have to begin by presenting valid opinions, you dipshit.

Edited May 30, 2018 by TornACL

[Chrispy 132]

4 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

No, its not. Its completely predictable. Russia speaks, Crispy leaps to the keyboard.

I’ve considered Russian order brides if my marriage were to ever disintegrate, but that’s about as far as that connection goes.   

[Fozzz 152]

I don't think Chrispy is a troll.

[hpslugga 4068]

5 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

For all the talk from the right about libs and Hollywood, here's yet another example of an entertainer on the right having a prominent role in pushing their political narratives, to the delight of the base. 

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

And if this is all for real, it should be ignored because the goal of a model apostate a la Christopher Hitchens is to attract as much attention as possible via the launching of rabid repudiations of one's own political past, and we ought not to coddle that via paying even a microsecond's attention to it. 

Edited May 30, 2018 by hpslugga

[softlynow 1842]

24 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If I was working in their pharmacovigilance department I would be cringing at the thought of their twatter feed making reference and drawing further attention to a national media dialogue involving erratic behavior after taking ambien, but what do I know.

I’m glad they are. Even if it’s for stupid reasons, fewer people need to be taking that drug.

[Armybrat 40942]

Did that trashy hag grab her crotch on the way out the door?

[Lagunamadre 1975]

7 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

And if this is all for real, it should be ignored because the goal of a model apostate a la Christopher Hitchens is to attract as much attention as possible via the launching of rabid repudiations of one's own political past, and we ought not to coddle that via paying even a microsecond's attention to it. 

She is in the "9/11 was an inside job" intersect of the vinn diagram of alt-left and alt-right. 

[wildcat09 29447]

6 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

And if this is all for real, it should be ignored because the goal of a model apostate a la Christopher Hitchens is to attract as much attention as possible via the launching of rabid repudiations of one's own political past, and we ought not to coddle that via paying even a microsecond's attention to it. 

The political spectrum is damn near a circle. It's not remotely rare for idiots to drift between what sane people would consider to be the far left and the far right. It's not quite the same, but just look at all the idiots that were die hard libertarians a few years ago that have become die hard ethnostate authoritarian Trumpers. Idiots can be very passionate at different times in wildly divergent beliefs.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13530]

I don't blame the drug maker for commenting.  Ambien is already a punch line for people wanting to blame their behavior on something besides themselves.   If anything, I think Ambien only releases your inhibitions and brings out your true self.  Now maybe it goes over emphasizes your true self but so be it.   I applaud them for making a joke of it by pointing the finger back at Roseanne for this episode.

Roseanne has shown that she is truly representative of many in the US.  She tweets stories that have zero basis of truth.  Like how she said that Chelsea Clinton married into the Soros family when Chelsea's husband is not related to Soros.    And its not like that is even his last name.    Instead Roseanne must have read it somewhere so it became fact to her.

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

8 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

And if this is all for real, it should be ignored because the goal of a model apostate a la Christopher Hitchens is to attract as much attention as possible via the launching of rabid repudiations of one's own political past, and we ought not to coddle that via paying even a microsecond's attention to it. 

It's hard to label these days because the lines are all jumbled up.  IMO Trumpism is a new distillation of various threads in the right, and it's pulled in some people who wouldn't have been Republicans before.   I admittedly don't know too much about Roseanne's political history, but her Twitter before this event is filled with screeds about liberals and nutty shit from Breitbart.   I think she was an early supporter of Trump, before the show reboot. 

[Brisketexan 105478]

24 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Based on my admittedly limited understanding of her, Roseanne's not a right winger. My guess is that this whole thing has been a gigantic ruse in order to exploit trumpkins on national TV (kinda like how Bill Shatner exploited R's with his Denny Crane character on The Practice/Boston Legal) and their general way of "thinking," and she just took it a little too far with these tweets.

I could be wrong, but it's just hard to fathom that a self-identified socialist would swing that hard towards the complete opposite end of the political spectrum in that short of an amount of time, particularly when it was entirely based on the idiotic ramblings of that douchebag. I mean, after all, didn't she come out with this pro-Trump nonsense around the same time the show re-launched? And didn't it start when she was on the Kimmel Show dressed as her character and sitting on the goddamn couch from the set?

 

 

13 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

She is in the "9/11 was an inside job" intersect of the vinn diagram of alt-left and alt-right. 

 

13 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The political spectrum is damn near a circle. It's not remotely rare for idiots to drift between what sane people would consider to be the far left and the far right. It's not quite the same, but just look at all the idiots that were die hard libertarians a few years ago that have become die hard ethnostate authoritarian Trumpers. Idiots can be very passionate at different times in wildly divergent beliefs.

This sequence of posts.

When you head out to the lunatic fringe, you're not about being a spot on the political spectrum.  You're existing almost totally OUTSIDE the traditional spectrum.  The problem happens when (1) you LABEL yourself as something (see Trump calling himself a Republican), and (2) the folks who live by that label are more loyal to the label than any particular thought behind it.

That's how the GOP went from pro-free trade to protectionist all but overnight, as just one example.  And yes, with the GOP it's also more complicated -- for example, they cultivated dog-whistle racism, which inevitably ended in open racism.

But, as another example, the intersection from the most extremist "Occupy Wall Street" crowd and the most extremist "MAGA" crowd is almsot indistinguishable.