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irishtexan

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On 4/21/2019 at 3:21 AM, workswithseed said:

I like how getting rid of guns didnt get rid of the killings

Knife homicides in UK: 287

Gun homicides in US: 14,611

So while it didn't "get rid of the killings", I'd say it did a pretty fucking good job of keeping them below our embarrassing gun murder rates. 

 

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On 4/21/2019 at 4:21 AM, workswithseed said:

I like how getting rid of guns didnt get rid of the killings

You don't get it.  There would be MORE killings if there were guns.  Less killings without them.  And less still without knives.  

Comprende?

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2 hours ago, Armybrat said:

The common citizens of the U.K. were basically disarmed starting early in the 20th Century because the aristocrats were genuinely afraid of a socialist revolution.

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Did you learn that through a letter?

He was actually there! 

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16 minutes ago, Archer said:

Maybe we should try banning killing before banning people. Baby steps here 

Oh, damn. I thought it was band since forever. Maybe we should all be put in prison. No guns and people don't ever get killed in prison.

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A police force has defended a "ludicrous" decision to give domestic abuse victims blunt knives to replace sharp implements in their kitchens.

Nottinghamshire Police hopes the scheme will reduce the number of people being seriously injured by their partners.

The force stressed it was a "tiny trial" in one part of the county and part of wider protective measures.

The idea has attracted criticism and one psychologist said it could put victims in greater danger.

Dr Jessica Eaton, a specialist in interpersonal abuse, said she initially thought the trial was a joke.

"If you are going to take knives, why not forks? Because I work with women who have been stabbed with forks," she said.

"You could be attacked with anything. You could be attacked with a book. What about scissors? Everybody has got scissors.

"What do they think will happen when the perpetrator finds the knives and asks what happened to the normal ones? It undermines the perpetrator from a psychological point of view.

"It's a huge red flag to them: 'Who did you tell?' It's going to cause an argument. [The police have] not thought that through."

Samantha Billingham, from the Survivors of Domestic Abuse support group, said perpetrators will still be able to seriously hurt victims using the knife.

She said abusers could use other household objects and she had been attacked with a kettle cord.

"I think it's quite ludicrous. The blade of the knife is still there so that can cause significant harm to the victim. Abusers will use anything at all to inflict pain on their victim.

"I don't think they've actually spoken to people who have been in that situation, because survivors can see dangers that maybe others don't."

 

Supt Matt McFarlane, the force's new knife crime strategy manager, said some of the critics had "got the whole idea wrong".

"It's a very small trial, and it will always be part of a much wider range of measures that we are doing to safeguard and protect that victim," he said.

"We will simply have these as an offer to somebody in appropriate circumstances and they can have them if they think they want them.

"We can debate something theoretically or from a psychological perspective all day long. Sometimes you need to try something and see if it works or not."

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The force has bought 100 knives and these have already been offered to victims, but the force has not yet "assessed how many have taken them up".

"We will assess the number that have been given at the end of the year and assess if we continue," said Supt McFarlane.

Retired judge Nic Madge said the trial "could save lives".

"Most violent offences are committed on the spur of the moment," he said. "People pick up the closest thing they can find, and in the kitchen, the closest thing they find is often a pointed kitchen knife."

One domestic abuse survivor told the Nottingham Post the idea was "100% positive".

Fiona McCulloch told the newspaper: "To have a blunt knife in my situation, it would have taken that risk away. It is like you are taking away their options and the more you can take away, the better."

Nottinghamshire Police works with Women's Aid to help domestic abuse victims but the charity did not wish to comment when contacted by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-48609164

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Knife crime offences hit a record high in 2018-19, up by 8% on the previous year in England and Wales, new figures show.

The figures for police-recorded crime revealed there were 43,516 police-recorded offences involving a knife or sharp instrument, which is the highest since comparable records began in 2011.

The figures released on Thursday by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) excludes Greater Manchester Police, which records data differently.
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The new knife crime statistics come after London mayor Sadiq Khan branded the rise in fatal stabbings a "human cost of austerity".
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Sarah Jones MP, chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Knife Crime, said: "To see knife crime increase by 8% after already being at record levels is truly shocking.

"Today's figures show the government has been far too slow to tackle county lines activity which sees vulnerable, armed young people trafficked into towns across our country."

She added that the new prime minister is "inheriting an epidemic of serious violence" and needs to be clear after entering Downing Street that it is a national priority.

Barnardo's chief executive Javed Khan said it is "unacceptable that the knife crime crisis continues unabated with offences at record levels."

He added: "Children are not born with knives in their hands, knife crime is a symptom of a much bigger problem.

"Our frontline support services say vulnerable children and young people are being recruited and exploited by criminal gangs and forced to traffic drugs and carry knives.

"Urgent action must be taken so that future generations are not condemned to live in an endless spiral of violence."
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https://news.sky.com/story/knife-crime-hits-record-high-as-offences-up-by-8-11765533

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2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Wait a second is Javid Khan trying to say that knife violence is only a symptom of much larger social issues? That addressing the illness itself, rather than ownership of knives is the correct course of action?

Fucking insanity.

But it's okay since there is less people dying to guns. We should really get rid of knives next since people could do more damage than a baseball bat, or cricket bat.

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Just now, BurntEyes said:

Oh man, you are fucking wrong about a baseball bat vs a knife. Sure, they are way less convenient to keep around the kitchen, and England does play much baseball, but damage per hit, the bat is a far more productive and efficient weapon. Also, it tend to leave less of mess to clean up and even works on cars.

I should rethink my thinking here it seems.

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41 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

If it's not boiled it's not a bagel.

Also, am I wrong for liking flavored cream cheese? 

On fisting, you do you. No judgements.

Never read this thread before.  Read the quoted post above before anything else in the thread.  A lot to understand behind those.  Quite the  WTF moment.

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32 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Yep that's a real bagel.

Nobody has answered my flavored cream cheese question though.

Is it wrong to like chive cream cheese?

Is that "unauthentic"?

Is culturally inconsiderate? Or cultural appropriation?

it's one less step.  i like salmon cream cheese from einsteins. 

cousin makes everything in house (bagels, salmon, and pastrami, in particular) except the cream cheese.  everyone buys in cream cheese. 

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On 4/10/2019 at 10:59 AM, Armybrat said:

A London friend is in fear that his twin 17 year old sons could be victimized by the gang violence (they do not belong to any gangs). He says knifings are rampant in the metro area.

A couple of years ago I gave the boys nice Leatherman combo tools that had 2.5” blades. They were thrilled to receive them, as those things are pretty cool gadgets - neater than Swiss Army knives, IMO. However, their bitch mom (divorced from my friend) confiscated the tools when the boys went back to her place in Wales. 

You could have saved her the trouble and just killed them yourself

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5 hours ago, elfenix said:

it's one less step.  i like salmon cream cheese from einsteins. 

cousin makes everything in house (bagels, salmon, and pastrami, in particular) except the cream cheese.  everyone buys in cream cheese. 

How can I learn to make salmon, too? Sounds time consuming. 

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