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Nice Guy Eddie

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i gathered that he probably could have easily escaped to a country like Ecuador itself but chose not to do it. This was always going to happen and it’s time he faced justice like others. 

Edit: when you’re being arrested ion TV, be a man and walk out with your head held high. Being carried by police is a bad look. I never had a problem with Manning being arrested for his crimes but always felt that Assange was the real criminal.

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Harvard Man

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By the way -- he was yelling about how this *Trump Administration* action must be resisted. 

You want your freedom, Julienne -- TALK.

Implicate them. The Roger Stone trial is still ongoing. Time to sing.

Now that I think about it - this arrest could be big. As big as the wiki dump was when they changed the grab pussy tape scandal back to Hillary's emails.

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By the way -- he was yelling about how this *Trump Administration* action must be resisted. 
You want your freedom, Julienne -- TALK.
Implicate them. The Roger Stone trial is still ongoing. Time to sing.
Now that I think about it - this arrest could be big. As big as the wiki dump was when they changed the grab pussy tape scandal back to Hillary's emails.
In the deep state we trust?
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I am for more disclosure of just about everything classified, not less.  Bring everything into the light that is possible, save undercover operatives and the like.  For that reason I appreciate Assange and what his organization does for the most part.  Hope he lives long and prospers but it doesn't look like that will be the case.

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4 minutes ago, zork said:

I am for more disclosure of just about everything classified, not less.  Bring everything into the light that is possible, save undercover operatives and the like.  For that reason I appreciate Assange and what his organization does for the most part.  Hope he lives long and prospers but it doesn't look like that will be the case.

There is a difference between whistleblowers and conspiring with authoritarian international cyber criminals to undermine western democracy.   

Would you be cool with Assange publishing all your stolen personal information?  You know, for transparency?  Because he did a lot of that on top of publishing classified information.

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So the indictment only pertains to Assange's work in exposing US war crimes under the Obama admin? Better lock his ass up!

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The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the U.S. Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on U.S. Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a U.S. government network used for classified documents and communications. Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with her duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks. Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to her. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy

 

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What's happening to Assange appears similar to what happened to Russian hackers Pyotr Levashov and Yevgeniy Nikulin who were apprehended in Barcelona and Prague, respectively, and extradited to the US.  The timing of their apprehensions/extraditions tracked with unfolding events related investigating Russia's coordinated attack on the 2016 election, even though the initial charges were for crimes pre-dating the election attack.

So extraditing them and prosecuting them takes them off the playing field and limits further harm.  That's important, for one.  Second, if they are convicted, they could still face a spate of separate indictments related to the election hack and be under pressure to cooperate given they may already be serving time.  Due process and all, but that's how they roll.

 

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David Dennison

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11 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

So the indictment only pertains to Assange's work in exposing US war crimes under the Obama admin? Better lock his ass up!

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy

Insofar as that work involved breaking the law to access DOD computers, yes. 

He knew what he was doing and he knew the consequences if he got caught.

Now he gets to make an argument in court.

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12 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

What's happening to Assange appears similar to what happened to Russian hackers Pyotr Levashov and Yevgeniy Nikulin who were apprehended in Barcelona and Prague, respectively, and extradited to the US.  The timing of their apprehensions/extraditions tracked with unfolding events related investigating Russia's coordinated attack on the 2016 election, even though the initial charges were for crimes pre-dating the election attack.

So extraditing them and prosecuting them takes them off the playing field and limits further harm.  That's important, for one.  Second, if they are convicted, they could still face a spate of separate indictments related to the election hack and be under pressure to cooperate given they may already be serving time.  Due process and all, but that's how they roll.

 

Yes this is just to extradite. More charges to follow, says the scuttlebutt. 

He'll have ample opportunity to cooperate (ie, rat). On whom? Since he was blathering about resisting the Trump Administration while being yanked out (for the Yanks) -- on Trump, hopefully.

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13 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

What's happening to Assange appears similar to what happened to Russian hackers Pyotr Levashov and Yevgeniy Nikulin who were apprehended in Barcelona and Prague, respectively, and extradited to the US.  The timing of their apprehensions/extraditions tracked with unfolding events related investigating Russia's coordinated attack on the 2016 election, even though the initial charges were for crimes pre-dating the election attack.

So extraditing them and prosecuting them takes them off the playing field and limits further harm.  That's important, for one.  Second, if they are convicted, they could still face a spate of separate indictments related to the election hack and be under pressure to cooperate given they may already be serving time.  Due process and all, but that's how they roll.

 

This kind of conspiracy mongering really belongs in the Mueller thread.

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Interesting, charged under conspiracy to commit computer intrusion

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy

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Julian P. Assange, 47, the founder of WikiLeaks, was arrested today in the United Kingdom pursuant to the U.S./UK Extradition Treaty, in connection with a federal charge of conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for agreeing to break a password to a classified U.S. government computer.

According to court documents unsealed today, the charge relates to Assange’s alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the United States.

The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the U.S. Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on U.S. Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a U.S. government network used for classified documents and communications. Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with her duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks. Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to her. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.

During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning’s transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information. During an exchange, Manning told Assange that “after this upload, that’s all I really have got left.” To which Assange replied, “curious eyes never run dry in my experience.”

Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

Glad to see this is the prosecutorial direction being taken, rather than pursuing him for publishing classified materials. Also lays the groundwork for further CFAA and conspiracy to commit computer intrusion charges with respect to other occurrences (DNC/clinton hacking in the 2016 election)

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I take it that the subtle details like he is being indicted for helping Manning crack passwords and gain access to information that Manning would then not normally have acesss to is being ignored here?

 

Do I think Wikileaks provides a valuable check in the world we live in, of course. Am I naive to enough to think getting that information by any means is acceptable, no.

The issue here is much of the information published by Wikileaks is tied to government secrets around the globe, not corporate manlfesence. When you lose the deniability of not having a political motivation by assisting in the gathering of the information you stray from publisher to being a potential bad actor and subject to a legitimate espionage concern.

 
This is much like the bag man theory of college corruption. If you are dumb enough to put yourself in the position to be caught providing direct support, then you will get caught. Helping provide direct means to help further or commit espionage is a major step beyond from providing a publishing outlet for whistle blowers around the world.
 
I don’t necessarily agree that he should have been forced into seclusion/exile/incarceration to begin with with the bullshit Swiss rape charge, but this type of charge, if can be legitimately proven,  is part and parcel of running this type of organization.
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37 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

So the indictment only pertains to Assange's work in exposing US war crimes under the Obama admin? Better lock his ass up!

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy

 

So what, in your opinion, should the government do if they have evidence that Julian Assange assisted in the hacking or attempted hacking of DOD computers? 

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Oswald killed JFK subsequently dooming LBJ (who paled in comparison), eventually leading to Nixon.

Assange doomed Obama (his documented reality paling in comparison to his myth) and then he subsequently killed HRC, eventually leading to Trump.

Also, Lincoln had a secretary named 911.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

So what, in your opinion, should the government do if they have evidence that Julian Assange assisted in the hacking or attempted hacking of DOD computers? 

They should do what the Obama admin - an admin that was by no means a friend to whistleblowers - decided to do in this instance.  

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