The Surly Mountain Biking Thread

[Your Mom 4805]

Nice!  Where in Moab is that?  I know your earlier post showed Island In the Sky.  Is this the same place?  Is that up near Dead Horse State Park?  

Capt Ahab is my favorite trail out there. It’s big chunky workout but very rewarding.  

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

Happy Thanksgiving from the Driftless!





Busting out the cold weather gear. First ride in Decorah since we got out of the field. Crushed some tricky grades that usually have me walking a little. Having a 4 month old and not being out until 2AM shitfaced the night before Thanksgiving definitely has its rewards.

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

Spent some quality time with the ol’ girl yesterday. Conditions were perfect for the fatty

[Bodhi 1123]

Spending Christmas visiting family in Phoenix has some advantages. Plan on riding every day. 60 degrees and trails to myself 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Bodhi

[Bodhi 1123]

Gorgeous February weather in Colorado today (60) following a pretty rough winter last year. Have been able to put away the gravel bike this past week and get some dry single track riding in.

 

Edited February 2 by Bodhi

[wd40 1976]

On 3/30/2018 at 1:28 AM, LoneStarBiker said:

In

 

pic above is gone, but I remember.

same spot, 6 years and 3 bikes (for me) later.  time is a non-flat horseshoe (started at the other end) 831ft of climbing over 5 miles.  extra sucky for this old couch potato, after a 20mi ride, yesterday.  trying to get back.

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

Handsome steed, sir.

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

This wacky winter has me confident I'll be riding my local dirt by Friday afternoon.

Got an NWA trip planned for March.  Going to stay in Eureka Springs and spend a day riding Great Passion Play trails, and another day where I do the whole Back 40 (the original 22 mile loop).  Really excited about that.  Had a trip lined up last year, but my wife got a major promotion and was unable to take time off in that window.  I went to Eureka in the spring of 2021 and loved it.  Can't wait to get back.

[sasquatch69 596]

On 2/5/2024 at 9:26 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

This wacky winter has me confident I'll be riding my local dirt by Friday afternoon.

Got an NWA trip planned for March.  Going to stay in Eureka Springs and spend a day riding Great Passion Play trails, and another day where I do the whole Back 40 (the original 22 mile loop).  Really excited about that.  Had a trip lined up last year, but my wife got a major promotion and was unable to take time off in that window.  I went to Eureka in the spring of 2021 and loved it.  Can't wait to get back.

Similar plans here later this spring - I have to go to a family-related thing which NWA is on the way to, and my wife can't go, so I took a couple extra days off and plan to camp in Bella Vista and ride for a full day on front and back end of trip.  Can't wait.  

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

You guys who never have to deal with freeze/thaw are lucky.  We have absolutely zero ground moisture thanks to an extended drought, are rocking day time highs in the 50's with 0 snow cover anywhere, and if the temp dips below 32 for a god damn hour, it seems like we get trail wrecking slime for the rest of the day.  You should have been able to ride this entire month, but it hasn't been cold enough to stay froze or warm enough not to freeze at all.  Just getting taunted.

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

You guys who never have to deal with freeze/thaw are lucky.  We have absolutely zero ground moisture thanks to an extended drought, are rocking day time highs in the 50's with 0 snow cover anywhere, and if the temp dips below 32 for a god damn hour, it seems like we get trail wrecking slime for the rest of the day.  You should have been able to ride this entire month, but it hasn't been cold enough to stay froze or warm enough not to freeze at all.  Just getting taunted.

No chance to avoid the slime in the early a.m., like, as soon as the sun is up?

That's what we've gotta do here to squeeze in a ride during the greasy season. However, we've had a fair amount of precip, so it'll just be pavement for at least a couple more weeks.

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

12 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

No chance to avoid the slime in the early a.m., like, as soon as the sun is up?

That's what we've gotta do here to squeeze in a ride during the greasy season. However, we've had a fair amount of precip, so it'll just be pavement for at least a couple more weeks.

Not during the week.  We’re at a temp point where it turns to slime VERY quickly after sun up and I don’t feel like riding single track in the dark.

When we have highs of like 40 and overnight lows in the low 20’s, you get a nice early AM window 

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

That sounds similar to our fall riding. Hit the trails after an overnight freeze and the grease will be frozen hard. Linger, however, and you're gonna make a mess out of trail and bike.

Springs are strange, though. I've been told that moisture has to first work its way UP and out of the soil for the singletrack to dry. Otherwise, it will continue to get greasy regardless of wind, sun or temperature. So springtime riding becomes more of a gradual "work your way up" the trails. Depending on conditions and snow pack, this can take weeks or even months.

But I would've expected you to be further along if you're already in the 50s. Is that unusual for you (i.e., was it a very weak, mild winter)?

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

2 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:

That sounds similar to our fall riding. Hit the trails after an overnight freeze and the grease will be frozen hard. Linger, however, and you're gonna make a mess out of trail and bike.

Springs are strange, though. I've been told that moisture has to first work its way UP and out of the soil for the singletrack to dry. Otherwise, it will continue to get greasy regardless of wind, sun or temperature. So springtime riding becomes more of a gradual "work your way up" the trails. Depending on conditions and snow pack, this can take weeks or even months.

But I would've expected you to be further along if you're already in the 50s. Is that unusual for you (i.e., was it a very weak, mild winter)?

I've expected us to be further along too.  Like you pointed out with fall, because the ground was so dry we were actually able to ride through the freeze/thaw until the snow fell.  We didn't get very much, and it was only around for 2-3 weeks, but it's after effects have been surprisingly stubborn.

A few days around 50 isn't unusual in February, but the whole month has had highs between 35 and 55, with more on the warmer end than the cooler.  We've had one day all month with a high below freezing and it was (of course) a Saturday.  This is either going to tie or break the record for warmest February on the Iowa/Minnesota border.

[TwiceHorn 31429]

Man it's 77 here right now. Ain't ready for this. And I have a spot of a cold so I am not quite ready for prime time. I did rinse the bike off and add sealant today, though. 

We've also had a good bit of rain, so the trails are still mostly moist. 

Edited February 22 by TwiceHorn

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

It's going to be almost 70 here next Tuesday, and then 30 (for the high) on Wednesday before getting back to 60 by Friday.

[midtown 3345]

Ignore the music.  Im not great at editing.  I'm going to upload a second video here in about 10.
Was in Guatemala and found this ride in Antigua wth Old Town Outfitters.  El Zur Mtn BIke Park.  For $200 they took me there and loaned me a bike and a helmet.  I brought my own shoes and gloves.  My guide Pablo was great.  They take you to the bottom of the volcano then load the bikes onto a 40 year old toyota 4x4 completee with 10 year old kid getting out to lock the hubs.  You ride in the back with the bikes holding on to the rails for dear life.  The ride up was a freaking workout staying in the back.  We almost got stuck several times the road up was steep as shit.  These videos show its a pretty moderate skill level.  The views from the trail when it wasnt covered in trees and brush was amazing. There was one rock wall feature that I would take on at home but not half way down a volcano.  Was not interested in a broken arm two days into an 8 day vacation.  I had a few small crashes turning on some of those right handed switchbacks.  Just ran out of room to the left and in some of those places it was straight down the cliff.  It's about two hours down.  When you get done they have a beer and some sandwiches.   My gopro ran out of power about 3/4 down.  Missed the lower quarter which was probably the best part TBH

 

 

Edited February 27 by midtown

[Bodhi 1123]

Golden,CO today in 60+ weather.  That’s Denver in the background of the picture.  1200 feet of climbing reminded me I’ve got some work to do before summer 

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

Just an absolute gem of a day in the Driftless. Got a great ride in ahead of my trip to NWA this coming week. Bring on the Back 40.

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

El Nino has affected winter in southeast Idaho in some strange ways. Case in point, our lower trails are usually bone dry by now, but instead, most are still buried in snow. Fortunately, we've hit the lower 50s/upper 60s recently, and I was finally able to get on some dirt today.

Took a fire road until there was too much snow to go any further.

Then looped back down to town and climbed some singletrack until the risk of mudding up my bike seemed too great.

Fast forward a week and I imagine all the lower, exposed trails will be rideable.

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

Back 40 was an ass kicker. Hobbs tomorrow

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

Damn, your trails are already looking great. Did y'all not have much a winter?

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

We didn’t, but I was in Bentonville yesterday.

[Bodhi 1123]

6 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

We didn’t, but I was in Bentonville yesterday.

I'm assuming Bentonville is awesome as everyone says?

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

I'm assuming Bentonville is awesome as everyone says?

It’s great. Possibly a tad overrated, but overrated in the way the Beatles are. When all you hear is how it’s paradise, it’s put on an almost impossible to meet pedestal.

The trails are phenomenal, but something about the town felt a little brittle or like it was fed through a corporate focus group. I prefer Eureka Springs, which is where we’re staying. They have some excellent trails too.

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

Nice morning at Hobbs State Park (between Rogers and Eureka)

[TwiceHorn 31429]

So Dallas got it's first in-town new trail in like 20 years. Just south of Tension GC in a large wooded spot right off the existing paved trail network. 

Creekside Trail. 

Huge disappointment. 

Less than a mile of actual trail and green and poor drainage apparently. 

There are green, blue and black "skills areas" that seem to be mostly jump/drop lines. I haven't visited so maybe that's kinda cool, but I am disappoint. 

[jw4381 3069]

Finally able to get out the last couple of weeks. Mountain biking sure is fun. 

[EastHorn 281]

When is the best time of year to do Bentonville?

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

15 hours ago, EastHorn said:

When is the best time of year to do Bentonville?

I would argue right now.  Late fall is probably great too.

[TwiceHorn 31429]

Sort of a general question. Do you guys make use of "skills areas"? 

There are several trails around town with various types of skills areas. I could use more skillz, but find them kind of boring and I guess I am not really sure what to do with them. I am not particularly interested learning to jump at my age, so those hold little interest. 

Also, any workout aspect (at least half of why I do this) gets repetitive, like running laps or doing sprints. 

There's a pump track at Katie Jackson that I think provides useful skills and is a workout, but it's in the midst of jumps and not well marked or delineated, so you start to get pumping and boom find yourself about to hit a gap jump. 

One thing I would like to do is get more comfortable with drops, but afaik, none of these skills areas have any sort of progression on drops. 

[jw4381 3069]

I don’t have access to any, so no for me. 

[wd40 1976]

3 hours ago, jw4381 said:

I don’t have access to any, so no for me. 

eh?  Angel Fire is just down the road from you (Taos, right?), and has a progressive drop zone off by itself, so you can session it.

it's also 98% tables tops.  the few gaps are on the double-black trails.

 

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

You've been sitting on that for nearly three years and never before shared?

 

[jw4381 3069]

3 hours ago, wd40 said:

eh?  Angel Fire is just down the road from you (Taos, right?), and has a progressive drop zone off by itself, so you can session it.

it's also 98% tables tops.  the few gaps are on the double-black trails.

 

Well shit, I stand corrected quite bigly. I guess I was thinking of a different type of thing. That's a bad ass video.

Edited March 24 by jw4381

[Bodhi 1123]

3 hours ago, wd40 said:

 

 

 

On 3/22/2024 at 8:29 AM, jw4381 said:

Finally able to get out the last couple of weeks. Mountain biking sure is fun. 

Yup!

[wd40 1976]

wrist is still not 100% (see skateboarding thread).  hit the greenbelt with the boys, this am.  

the pucker factor on the first drop in this video was huge for me, today.  after getting that out of the way, it was all good times.  10.5 miles and >1200ft of climbing.  not bad for only my second ride after a month off.

 

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

[jw4381 3069]

On 11/18/2023 at 1:56 PM, Your Mom said:

Nice!  Where in Moab is that?  I know your earlier post showed Island In the Sky.  Is this the same place?  Is that up near Dead Horse State Park?  

Capt Ahab is my favorite trail out there. It’s big chunky workout but very rewarding.  

I just now saw your post. That’s the drop in to White Rim Road. 
 

Beautiful weather today. Went north to some trails I’ve only ridden a couple of times. 

 

 

 

[sasquatch69 596]

Spent a day in Bentonville last week.  The new Castle Hub downhill park on the north end of Slaughter Pen network (up against I-49) was really cool.  Also did the in-town greens and blues, as well as a couple loops at Blowing Springs and trails at Devil's Den State Park (an hour south of Bville, but highly worth a visit, especially for camping/cabining.  

(first photo by creek is Devil's Den; the rest are in Bentonville.)

Edited April 1 by sasquatch69

[Bodhi 1123]

In March of this year my company announced a reorg.  It was our 2nd in 12 months and 3rd in 48  We were also on our 3rd president in three years.  They shut down the function I led and asked me to lead another group which didn't interest me.  I countered and asked them what a severance package would look like.  As of March 29th, I am being paid by this employer not to work for 6 months.

I live in the foothills of the Rockies in Colorado and the weather is starting to get great.  I am going to take the spring/summer to bike, hike 14ers, camp as much as possible.  I signed up for two 50+ mile mtb/gravel races to provide some training goals.  The plan is to ride 4 to 5 times a week and see how much I can develop over the next 4 months.  Rode 4x this week logging ~100 miles between gravel and single track.  Also, since I imagine this will be my only work sabbatical before retirement, I decided I should do it right and I am on a waitlist for a new gravel bike with electronic shifting (first for me).

Apologies in advance, but you may have to stare at a few not ugly photos in the upcoming months.  

Edited April 6 by Bodhi

[TwiceHorn 31429]

Which variant of e-shifting? My best riding buddy converted his GX to AXS and seems pleased. 

The engineer in me is intrigued by Transmission. On the other hand, I am currently rocking Deore and quite pleased with it.  Unless my bike gets stolen again, I can't see myself adopting any e-shifting, unless it's a Sramano deal, which I do understand works just fine (GX AXS with Shimano cassette). 

[EastHorn 281]

10 hours ago, Bodhi said:

In March of this year my company announced a reorg.  It was our 2nd in 12 months and 3rd in 48  We were also on our 3rd president in three years.  They shut down the function I led and asked me to lead another group which didn't interest me.  I countered and asked them what a severance package would look like.  As of March 29th, I am being paid by this employer not to work for 6 months.

I live in the foothills of the Rockies in Colorado and the weather is starting to get great.  I am going to take the spring/summer to bike, hike 14ers, camp as much as possible.  I signed up for two 50+ mile mtb/gravel races to provide some training goals.  The plan is to ride 4 to 5 times a week and see how much I can develop over the next 4 months.  Rode 4x this week logging ~100 miles between gravel and single track.  Also, since I imagine this will be my only work sabbatical before retirement, I decided I should do it right and I am on a waitlist for a new gravel bike with electronic shifting (first for me).

Apologies in advance, but you may have to stare at a few not ugly photos in the upcoming months.  

Well if you need a riding buddy this summer I'm moving to Colorado.  

[Bodhi 1123]

5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Which variant of e-shifting? My best riding buddy converted his GX to AXS and seems pleased. 

The engineer in me is intrigued by Transmission. On the other hand, I am currently rocking Deore and quite pleased with it.  Unless my bike gets stolen again, I can't see myself adopting any e-shifting, unless it's a Sramano deal, which I do understand works just fine (GX AXS with Shimano cassette). 

SRAM AXS.  I rode a friends gravel bike with electronic shifting and it was pretty slick.  It's not necessary for me nor will it make me a better rider, but a lot of manufacturers are only including that in their higher end models now.  I don't plan on upgrading my MTB with it but I will enjoy it on my gravel.

3 hours ago, EastHorn said:

Well if you need a riding buddy this summer I'm moving to Colorado.  

Any time.  I live in North Boulder and ride the front range between Lyons and Morrison typically.  

Just make sure to tell everyone how awful it is in CO after you move here 

Edited April 6 by Bodhi

[EastHorn 281]

1 hour ago, Bodhi said:

SRAM AXS.  I rode a friends gravel bike with electronic shifting and it was pretty slick.  It's not necessary for me nor will it make me a better rider, but a lot of manufacturers are only including that in their higher end models now.  I don't plan on upgrading my MTB with it but I will enjoy it on my gravel.

Any time.  I live in North Boulder and ride the front range between Lyons and Morrison typically.  

Just make sure to tell everyone how awful it is in CO after you move here 

Nice I've done some road riding and racing there in the past.  Deer Creek Canyon is one I am looking to reconnect with.  

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

Been out of town a lot for work, but have spent the past week at home. Weather has mostly been great, so that's granted me more time to get out, pedal, and explore.

Trails are still weeks behind the average year, but the amount of dry singletrack is night and day compared to just three weeks ago.

I stop and take a picture here every spring, it seems.

Same location, just reverse view, looking back toward town.

Won't be able to ride as much this week as duty calls once again. Just as well--my grundle is very disgruntled.

 

[TwiceHorn 31429]

Saw that Kona is throwing in the towel.  I think wd40 had a Kona not too long ago.  Fairly storied brand that had fallen behind.

https://road.cc/content/news/kona-bicycles-winding-down-and-sale-307945 

[jw4381 3069]

On 4/21/2024 at 5:07 PM, Braff Zacklin said:

Been out of town a lot for work, but have spent the past week at home. Weather has mostly been great, so that's granted me more time to get out, pedal, and explore.

Trails are still weeks behind the average year, but the amount of dry singletrack is night and day compared to just three weeks ago.

I stop and take a picture here every spring, it seems.

Same location, just reverse view, looking back toward town.

Won't be able to ride as much this week as duty calls once again. Just as well--my grundle is very disgruntled.

 

Where you at again? Looks awesome.

[Braff Zacklin 13551]

32 minutes ago, jw4381 said:

Where you at again? Looks awesome.

Thank you.

Southeast Idaho. Been uncharacteristically cold and damp this spring, however. For example, had snow on the ground yesterday and it snowed some this morning. Already melted, of course, but still unusually cold for May.

[jw4381 3069]

We had snow last week, it dumped for like 3 or 4 hours hard. But it was gone within 24 hours.