Game of Thrones Season 8 (Bookfags unite)

[Bookman 4610]

The Night’s King represented Bobby Brown.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

44 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m still trying to figure out the whole Bran angle and here’s my take:

According to the show the army of the dead were created by the Children of the Forest to fight off the men (the First Men and later the Andals) that were killing all the trees and children.  

However, this act of desperation turned out to be the Children of the Forest creating Frankenstein’s monster because the dead would kill everything living.  The children, the men, and the trees were all enemies of the dead.  

The men and children worked together to contain the dead by building the Wall but it didn’t last.  

Bran represented the memory of men, the children, and the trees.  If he was destroyed, then darkness could not be stopped because history is what shapes Westerosi civilization.  All would be lost.  

I hear ya but not a big fan of this explanation. It sets Bran up as an existential threat to the NK when a more better story is that Bran somehow (perhaps unknown to him) represented a physical threat. As in Bran somehow warging into all of the dead army at once. But the story/tv show doesn't go in that direction so we have to accept their reasoning.

[SimonBolivar 10931]

That was a lot of fun last night and some of the most heart pounding tv I've ever seen, but it still feels like Michael Bay taking over halfway through Schindler's List to me...oh what could have been fat man.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

That was a lot of fun last night and some of the most heart pounding tv I've ever seen, but it still feels like Michael Bay taking over halfway through Schindler's List to me...oh what could have been fat man.

GRRM would have, and presumably will kill off more main characters in a battle like last night. D&D are more about giving the audience what they want: mainly the heroes surviving.

[naija 2854]

9 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

GRRM would have, and presumably will kill off more main characters in a battle like last night. D&D are more about giving the audience what they want: mainly the heroes surviving.

but are we sure that is what the audience wants? the uncertainty of who lived vs died has always been one of the biggest draws of the show if not the biggest. sure, someone always got pissed because some character bought it, but  I don't think the "audience" suddenly started demanding everyone lived.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

2 minutes ago, naija said:

but are we sure that is what the audience wants? the uncertainty of who lived vs died has always been one of the biggest draws of the show if not the biggest. sure, someone always got pissed because some character bought it, but  I don't think the "audience" suddenly started demanding everyone lived.

depends on what you mean by audience: fans of the books (10%) or the show (90%)

[naija 2854]

Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

depends on what you mean by audience: fans of the books (10%) or the show (90%)

the show.

[Sbbruin 21737]

When one of Dany's dragons sort of crashed landed, did it die?  Or are both of them still alive?  If she still has two, they have a distinct advantage v Cersei.

[SimonBolivar 10931]

1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

When one of Dany's dragons sort of crashed landed, did it die?  Or are both of them still alive?  If she still has two, they have a distinct advantage v Cersei.

Someone said that two dragons were in next week's preview, but I don't remember seeing them both.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

They both seemed very beaten up, but I don't think one of them would die offscreen.   However I don't have hope they both survive the last episodes.

[HouTex 1850]

So Cersei's strategy has seemingly paid off.  Unless there's a massive Unsullied army that survived the battle she should win and that sucks.  I don't think the dragons can survive the badass spears that undoubtedly will be positioned around Kings Landing.  But I'm sure there will be one or two twists before it's over.  I would rather have seen the Night King win than the cunt Cersei.

[usmc0331horn 941]

6 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

When one of Dany's dragons sort of crashed landed, did it die?  Or are both of them still alive?  If she still has two, they have a distinct advantage v Cersei.

Rhaegel was sent to rehab his knees after taking a bit of a tumble. He's a game time decision on the battle of King's Landing.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 hour ago, Thujone said:

The legend of the sword is that Azor-Ahai, the hero who wielded "Lightbringer," tried forging it in water. That didn't work. Then he put it into a lion. Then into his love. Then the sword was finished. 

Wife thinks Tyrion is the Prince that Was Promised (pretty clear it ain't fucking Jon after he danced around like a dipshit all this last episode) and "Lightbringer" the sword is actually Tyrion's mind (as she said, kind of nerdy, but a very GRRM thing to do). 

Tyrion: forged of wine, not water. Killed a lion (his father). Killed his love (Shae). In that order, exactly as the legend says.

Lightbringer: enlightenment. Tyrion haz it. Break the wheel. No more kings. 

I like this theory, with one amendment.   Forged of wine instead of water is both a bit too clever for a theory that is already a bit of a stretch.   And it's a metaphorical miss, since his drunken, whoring days represent his efforts to avoid his potential (as he just discussed with Jaime in Episode 2 of this season).

But Tyrion (and/or his mind) was directly "forged" of water:   the Blackwater, which was the first major turning point for his character and set him on this path.   Blackwater, killing his father, killing Shae.  That's really Tyrion's arc to this point. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 hour ago, Thujone said:

The legend of the sword is that Azor-Ahai, the hero who wielded "Lightbringer," tried forging it in water. That didn't work. Then he put it into a lion. Then into his love. Then the sword was finished. 

Wife thinks Tyrion is the Prince that Was Promised (pretty clear it ain't fucking Jon after he danced around like a dipshit all this last episode) and "Lightbringer" the sword is actually Tyrion's mind (as she said, kind of nerdy, but a very GRRM thing to do). 

Tyrion: forged of wine, not water. Killed a lion (his father). Killed his love (Shae). In that order, exactly as the legend says.

Lightbringer: enlightenment. Tyrion haz it. Break the wheel. No more kings. 

I like this theory, with one amendment.   Forged of wine instead of water is both a bit too clever for a theory that is already a bit of a stretch.   And it's a metaphorical miss, since his drunken, whoring days represent his efforts to avoid his potential (as he just discussed with Jaime in Episode 2 of this season).

But Tyrion (and/or his mind) was directly "forged" of water:   the Blackwater, which was the first major turning point for his character and set him on this path.   Blackwater, killing his father, killing Shae.  That's really Tyrion's arc to this point. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

2 hours ago, Thujone said:

The legend of the sword is that Azor-Ahai, the hero who wielded "Lightbringer," tried forging it in water. That didn't work. Then he put it into a lion. Then into his love. Then the sword was finished. 

Wife thinks Tyrion is the Prince that Was Promised (pretty clear it ain't fucking Jon after he danced around like a dipshit all this last episode) and "Lightbringer" the sword is actually Tyrion's mind (as she said, kind of nerdy, but a very GRRM thing to do). 

Tyrion: forged of wine, not water. Killed a lion (his father). Killed his love (Shae). In that order, exactly as the legend says.

Lightbringer: enlightenment. Tyrion haz it. Break the wheel. No more kings. 

dp

Edited April 29, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[Bateshorn 9903]

So, they pretty clearly Chekhov Gunned Tyrion's intellect at the beginning of this season.  He's got at least one more bright idea in him.

Edited April 29, 2019 by Bateshorn

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

Tyrion is not a good war-time consigliere.  More in times of peace.

[CooterBrown 17911]

Water cooler talk led to this series ending idea which would probably be much better that what we get.

It ties in with the history...which due to greenseeing could actually be the future...

• Dany dies in the swarm of undead.
• The Night King is severely injured but doesn't die. All his wights drop dead though. The White Walkers take Dany's body as they retreat north.
• All the Cercei shit gets resolved.  Hot Pie on the throne. I guess Tyrion is a good option also.
• House Stark is disseminated except for Arya. She marries Gendry. Being a bastard, the new Queen of the North legitimizes him via marriage. He is now a Stark and the House continues.
• The Night's Watch is rebuilt since the White Walkers are still a threat.  Jon goes back to being Lord Commander.
• Years pass.  While ranging north of the wall, Jon sees a pale woman with blue eyes in the distance. He goes towards her, recognizes her, fade to black.

Edited April 29, 2019 by CooterBrown

[utxmike05 1825]

Wtf is the point of this thread..?

[Nivek 16859]

39 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

Water cooler talk led to this series ending idea which would probably be much better that what we get.

It ties in with the history...which due to greenseeing could actually be the future...

• Dany dies in the swarm of undead.
• The Night King is severely injured but doesn't die. All his wights drop dead though. The White Walkers take Dany's body as they retreat north.
• All the Cercei shit gets resolved.  Hot Pie on the throne. I guess Tyrion is a good option also.
• House Stark is disseminated except for Arya. She marries Gendry. Being a bastard, the new Queen of the North legitimizes him via marriage. He is now a Stark and the House continues.
• The Night's Watch is rebuilt since the White Walkers are still a threat.  Jon goes back to being Lord Commander.
• Years pass.  While ranging north of the wall, Jon sees a pale woman with blue eyes in the distance. He goes towards her, recognizes her, fade to black.

Terrible and cliche.

My version.   Arya gets caught and burned at the stake in some sort of Joan of Arc symbolism after she steps out beyond her role.  Jon and Dany fight atop their dragons but when Jon is in trouble she chooses not to aid the rightful heir and Jon is killed.  Mountain and Dog go at it, both dying and Dog weilding Beric's flame sword as the final killing blow.   Jamie and Tyrion are killed by Cercei's guards off camera.  Cercei is killed by Dany.  Dany surveys the aftermath only to be killed by Euron who was hiding.    Gendry dies in the battle.  Tormund and Brianne kill Euron and are the only lords left and create a house of giants.   

[Buzzrock 14871]

3 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

i would think lyanna would be more popular than arya.

did a great job of showing how panic set in and she reverted back to arya the little girl.

I guess...but she had spent time as a full on badass assassin. This wasn't her first rodeo.

[Drew 2331]

Tyrion is not a good war-time consigliere.  More in times of peace.

Been saying that ever since eveyeoke started the whole “show ruined Tyrion/made him dumb!” Narrative.

Always felt like drop his ass off in Kings Landing and let him run the kingdom and it’ll be great.

Asking him to be a tactical genius in war time against his own family, and it’s just asking too much imo.

[huge 3788]

1 hour ago, utxmike05 said:

Wtf is the point of this thread..?

being able to incorporate things in the books that were not in the show

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

I thought the point of this thread was to avoid the nuttiness of the other one.  

[Apep 645]

4 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

 

did a great job of showing how panic set in and she reverted back to arya the little girl.

 

She's tired and wounded. She was fine sneaking around until there were too many dead and she was spotted. Once that happened, well, a short, tired woman won't always be able to out-run the dead. That's when the panic set in. After a breather, she got over it.

[Hank Scorpio 17723]

Looks like I was right, Bran spent the entire time greenseeing trying to figure out that Hot Pie's recipes. He then realized the key to defeating the Night King, making a pie that is so hot it would melt the Night King when he tried to eat it. But before Bran could put his plan into action Arya had to go and be a hero and fuck everything up. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

In real life you can’t fight that fiercely for that long.  

I boxed in high school.  Back then I probably ran 5 miles five times a week at a 7:30 minute pace and it didn’t hardly phase me.  A few 2-3 minute rounds of just boxing will wear your ass out.  I can’t imagine swinging a heavy ass sword against relentless attackers for more than a few minutes.  

[DDD Dad 14251]

5 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

In real life you can’t fight that fiercely for that long.  

I boxed in high school.  Back then I probably ran 5 miles five times a week at a 7:30 minute pace and it didn’t hardly phase me.  A few 2-3 minute rounds of just boxing will wear your ass out.  I can’t imagine swinging a heavy ass sword against relentless attackers for more than a few minutes.  

Faze

[Llano Estacado 1257]

Looks like I was right, Bran spent the entire time greenseeing trying to figure out that Hot Pie's recipes. He then realized the key to defeating the Night King, making a pie that is so hot it would melt the Night King when he tried to eat it. But before Bran could put his plan into action Arya had to go and be a hero and fuck everything up. 

 

Maesters still working on magnetron technology.

[Kavinsky 417]

I felt inspired

 

 

[Nivek 16859]

1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

In real life you can’t fight that fiercely for that long.  

I boxed in high school.  Back then I probably ran 5 miles five times a week at a 7:30 minute pace and it didn’t hardly phase me.  A few 2-3 minute rounds of just boxing will wear your ass out.  I can’t imagine swinging a heavy ass sword against relentless attackers for more than a few minutes.  

True.  And we never see them shit.  In real life, I shit.  If I saw an army of the undead coming for me, I probably would need to shit a few times.  At least 3.  

Yes, I am making fun of you.  Everyone knows they couldn't give maximum effort all the time for hours on end in a show that has dragons, magic, and zombies.   And yet, real battles without those elements happened.  It is probably why knights were so expensive to train, equip, and maintain, and did not form the bulk of armies.   Agincourt was under 3 hours and Hastings was approximated to be between 8-9 hours.   

 

 

[LonghornJudas 1090]

2 minutes ago, Kavinsky said:

I felt inspired

 

 

Lame.

BTW, I still love this the hell out of this show. I just liked the Night King.

Edited April 29, 2019 by LonghornJudas

[Barry_McCokiner 160]

16 minutes ago, LonghornJudas said:

Lame.

BTW, I still love this the hell out of this show. I just liked the Night King.

This scene was so lame.  Of course the lamest was the final "battle" between Luke and Kylo.

[hornian 5205]

5 hours ago, HouTex said:

So Cersei's strategy has seemingly paid off.  Unless there's a massive Unsullied army that survived the battle she should win and that sucks.  I don't think the dragons can survive the badass spears that undoubtedly will be positioned around Kings Landing.  But I'm sure there will be one or two twists before it's over.  I would rather have seen the Night King win than the cunt Cersei.

It's like people don't even remember the history of Westeros, when one king, two sister-queens, and three dragons pretty much single handedly conquered the 7 kingdoms (all, 6, and then brought Dorne in later). As long as there are dragons, and they aren't fighting the dead, they have an advantage. 

[hornian 5205]

6 hours ago, mdmost said:

In a way, each of us has a Night King to face. For some, shyness might be their Night King. For others, a lack of an education might be their Night King. For us, Night King is a big, icey man who wants to kill the living. But as sure as my name is Jon Snow, the people of Winterfell can conquer their personal Night King, who happens to be the actual Night King. 

Stealing this, without attribution. 

[sidis 9754]

something that would have been kind of cool looking if nothing else (and i was kind of waiting for it to happen)...when the dothraki did their cavalry charge into the dark unknown (smart!) and we had the kind of cool cinematography of all the flaming swords being extinguished...would have been cool if they would have just held the shot like they did, and then all of sudden, a bunch of blue-flamed swords went up and started charging winterfell. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

27 minutes ago, hornian said:

It's like people don't even remember the history of Westeros, when one king, two sister-queens, and three dragons pretty much single handedly conquered the 7 kingdoms (all, 6, and then brought Dorne in later). As long as there are dragons, and they aren't fighting the dead, they have an advantage. 

What I don’t understand is why the throne has any value now when Dany has the fire breathing dragons.   

Why not just make your own throne and declare yourself ruler of the seven kingdoms until someone stops you?  Like, fuck your chair, I have the dragons.

Why should anyone recognize Cersei’s rule now that she has proved herself a coward for failure to defend her kingdom from the Army of the dead?

It’s kinda like the riddle about the rich man, the holy man, and the sell sword in a tavern.  Where does the real power lie? 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

22 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What I don’t understand is why the throne has any value now when Dany has the fire breathing dragons.   

Why not just make your own throne and declare yourself ruler of the seven kingdoms until someone stops you?  Like, fuck your chair, I have the dragons.

Why should anyone recognize Cersei’s rule now that she has proved herself a coward for failure to defend her kingdom from the Army of the dead?

It’s kinda like the riddle about the rich man, the holy man, and the sell sword in a tavern.  Where does the real power lie? 

Symbols hold power, and it's the most powerful symbol in their world.  Plus it kind of comes with King's Landing. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

13 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Symbols hold power, and it's the most powerful symbol in their world.  Plus it kind of comes with King's Landing. 

Right but Aegon the Conqueror didn’t need any symbols when he conquered Westeros, he just did it.

Then he built King’s Landing and forged the throne.  Nothing is stopping Dany from doing the same thing.  She writes the rules now, because dragons.  

Burning down King’s Landing over an uncomfortable chair seems really petty and shortsighted.

Edited April 29, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Mojo Hand 4580]

10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Right but Aegon the Conqueror didn’t need any symbols when he conquered Westeros, he just did it.

Then he built King’s Landing and forged the throne.  Nothing is stopping Dany from doing the same thing.  She writes the rules now, because dragons.  

Burning down King’s Landing over an uncomfortable chair seems really petty and shortsighted.

I'm sure Aegon used all of the symbols at his disposal... crowns, branded swords, and the rest.   That this particular one didn't exist back then is irrelevant. It exists now, and Dany would be stupid not to take it and the power it brings.  People believe in symbols. That's precisely why Aegon made this one, and in the particular way he did. 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

10 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I'm sure Aegon used all of the symbols at his disposal... crowns, branded swords, and the rest.   That this particular one didn't exist back then is irrelevant. It exists now, and Dany would be stupid not to take it and the power it brings.  People believe in symbols. That's precisely why Aegon made this one, and in the particular way he did. 

I understand what you’re saying and you’re not wrong but attacking King’s Landing seems dumb when you can easily destroy Cersei politically and economically while making all the seven kingdoms bend the knee in the meantime.  

Cersei’s people will turn on her and the Golden Company can be bought or destroyed if necessary.  The throne will shortly follow. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

I’d send Arya in to take care of her. 

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

3 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

In real life you can’t fight that fiercely for that long.  

I boxed in high school.  Back then I probably ran 5 miles five times a week at a 7:30 minute pace and it didn’t hardly phase me.  A few 2-3 minute rounds of just boxing will wear your ass out.  I can’t imagine swinging a heavy ass sword against relentless attackers for more than a few minutes.  

That's why the Romans had a system to trade out their front rank every so often so that they could stay fresh for the fight.

[ernest_t_bass 1196]

1 hour ago, sidis said:

something that would have been kind of cool looking if nothing else (and i was kind of waiting for it to happen)...when the dothraki did their cavalry charge into the dark unknown (smart!) and we had the kind of cool cinematography of all the flaming swords being extinguished...would have been cool if they would have just held the shot like they did, and then all of sudden, a bunch of blue-flamed swords went up and started charging winterfell. 

Thought the same thing.

[ernest_t_bass 1196]

13 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

I’d send Arya in to take care of her. 

Anyone else still have a chub for Arya after naked Gendryfication?

[RPM 26228]

I still feel very creeped out. Does that count?

[Llano Estacado 1257]

Cersei’s people will turn on her and the Golden Company can be bought or destroyed if necessary.  The throne will shortly follow. 

*checks thread*

Is there a difference in the Gold Company book to show? They haven’t broke a contract since Blackfyre Rebellion in either TV or books, correct?

I remember whilst slogging through DWD and thinking some of those Gold Company and 2nd Sons would “heel turn” and pledge loyalty to their families liege lords, rightful heirs Jon and/or Dany. Is there a chance Tyrion or Varys convinces them to follow the mother of dragons?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

No elephants in the show.  Very disappointing.

[Michael Knight 12898]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What I don’t understand is why the throne has any value now when Dany has the fire breathing dragons.   

Why not just make your own throne and declare yourself ruler of the seven kingdoms until someone stops you?  Like, fuck your chair, I have the dragons.

Why should anyone recognize Cersei’s rule now that she has proved herself a coward for failure to defend her kingdom from the Army of the dead?

It’s kinda like the riddle about the rich man, the holy man, and the sell sword in a tavern.  Where does the real power lie? 

I'll make my own kingdom,  ...with blackjack and ... hookers

[Mojo Hand 4580]

48 minutes ago, Llano Estacado said:

 

*checks thread*

Is there a difference in the Gold Company book to show? They haven’t broke a contract since Blackfyre Rebellion in either TV or books, correct?

I remember whilst slogging through DWD and thinking some of those Gold Company and 2nd Sons would “heel turn” and pledge loyalty to their families liege lords, rightful heirs Jon and/or Dany. Is there a chance Tyrion or Varys convinces them to follow the mother of dragons?

 

I don't remember the nuances of any of this, but perhaps in the show, the Golden Company switches sides and it is revealed that Daario is there behind it all