Game of Thrones Season 8 (Bookfags unite)

[MillerEP 30339]

I agree with this article:
https://nerdist.com/article/game-of-thrones-undermined-biggest-moment/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Nerdist&utm_content=How%20GAME%20OF%20THRONES%20Undermined%20Its%20Own%20Biggest%20Moment

[elguapo 4583]

12 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

I agree with this article:
https://nerdist.com/article/game-of-thrones-undermined-biggest-moment/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Nerdist&utm_content=How%20GAME%20OF%20THRONES%20Undermined%20Its%20Own%20Biggest%20Moment

Agree, fans have been theorizing forever about who the other dragon riders would be and they didn't give it nearly the weight it deserved.  It's the type of reveal that GRRM would have nailed and fuck him for leaving it to these fan fiction show writers to handle.

Edited April 15, 2019 by elguapo

[Go Pokes 979]

That's more of a book only thing though.  The TV show chooses to ignore certain book aspects and the whole "only Valaryians can ride a dragon" is obviously one of those things.  I can't recall any mention of it anywhere in the TV show.  

 

Ok, now that I have read the article, I get it.  They kind of blew a big moment there.  Had they established these rules in the show, which could have been done with one 60 second conversation between Dany and Tyrion,  then whatever time they invest in Dany learns Jon is a Targ could have been used here.  They should have gone in order:

1.  Sam tells Jon about his parents

2.  Jon tells Dany about it and Dany questions it

3.  Jon rides a dragon and she is convinced he is a Targ.  

Edited April 15, 2019 by Go Pokes

[CurlyDumps 4439]

14 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

That dragon riding scene was so dumb. Also who was in charge of the script?? 

Every year (two this time) I get swept up in the hype and forget the guys in charge of scripts have been pretty bad ever since they ran out of the fat man's source material.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

Letting R + L = J story out to the public could lead to some unexpected results. It brings up that the Robert's Revolution was basically a big lie that perhaps even Ned knew about. 

 

[Go Pokes 979]

4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Letting R + L = J story out to the public could lead to some unexpected results. It brings up that the Robert's Revolution was basically a big lie that perhaps even Ned knew about. 

 

By the time he found out, Robert's Rebellion was over.   I wonder if he had an "oh shit" moment when she told him about her son.  I've always wondered why the Targaryen's didn't say anything when the rebellion started.  Hubris I assume, but they guessed wrong.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

8 minutes ago, Go Pokes said:

By the time he found out, Robert's Rebellion was over.   I wonder if he had an "oh shit" moment when she told him about her son.  I've always wondered why the Targaryen's didn't say anything when the rebellion started.  Hubris I assume, but they guessed wrong.  

my bad. Was thinking Rebellion but typed something else.  Regardless I don't think that will make the Starks even more popular in the North that the Rebellion was based on a lie. And just because you say that Ned found out afterwards, why would that be more believable than he knew but used it to his advantage.

[Go Pokes 979]

Are you implying Ned knew about R+L, but went ahead and let his best friend rebel against the crown and even joined that rebellion?

[bamachine 1230]

4 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

You're right. It's the "Night's King". The show stole that name for the white walker character.

What if Bran actually wargs back into his ancestor, Brandon Stark, then helps create the wall, goes on to marry the white witch, becoming the Night's King. He then waits for the self proclaimed Night King to break through the wall, comes up from behind and ends the Night King, leading the army of the dead back beyond the wall.

 

Yeah, I know, not enough season left for that.

Edited April 15, 2019 by bamachine

[Buzzrock 14871]

I like Beric’s old medieval light saber. I feel like he should be a bigger character.

[elguapo 4583]

I had forgotten that Beric was on Arya's list for giving Gendry to Melisandre (who is also on the list).  Will she take him off after reuniting with Gendry?

[Barry_McCokiner 160]

45 minutes ago, Go Pokes said:

Are you implying Ned knew about R+L, but went ahead and let his best friend rebel against the crown and even joined that rebellion?

Ned didn’t know.  He was really surprised when he confronted dayne and his thugs.  However did he ever think to turn the crown over to Jon when Robert died?

[bamachine 1230]

2 minutes ago, Barry_McCokiner said:

Ned didn’t know.  He was really surprised when he confronted dayne and his thugs.  However did he ever think to turn the crown over to Jon when Robert died?

Jon had already joined the Night's Watch by then. As a member of the Night's Watch, you can hold no office, no getting your dick wet, blah, blah, blah.

Edited April 15, 2019 by bamachine

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

50 minutes ago, Go Pokes said:

Are you implying Ned knew about R+L, but went ahead and let his best friend rebel against the crown and even joined that rebellion?

No. I'm saying that if the news came out, and was believed, its not like all of Westeros would rejoice in the news that the rebellion was a lie.

[Drew 2331]

1 hour ago, Go Pokes said:

That's more of a book only thing though.  The TV show chooses to ignore certain book aspects and the whole "only Valaryians can ride a dragon" is obviously one of those things.  I can't recall any mention of it anywhere in the TV show.  

 

Ok, now that I have read the article, I get it.  They kind of blew a big moment there.  Had they established these rules in the show, which could have been done with one 60 second conversation between Dany and Tyrion,  then whatever time they invest in Dany learns Jon is a Targ could have been used here.  They should have gone in order:

1.  Sam tells Jon about his parents

2.  Jon tells Dany about it and Dany questions it

3.  Jon rides a dragon and she is convinced he is a Targ.  

Yeah pretty spot on.

1 hour ago, CurlyDumps said:

Every year (two this time) I get swept up in the hype and forget the guys in charge of scripts have been pretty bad ever since they ran out of the fat man's source material.

Why do people still do this. Regardless of rather you think D&D can hold a candle to GRRM or not(They can't), stop acting like this is some poorly written show.  Like ALL shows, even great ones, there are some times with iffy dialogue or questionable choices.  Obviously they were better with his source material, how could they not be?  But they are not bad, and pretending that it sucks because they are writing it just obviously ruins your excitement for the show. 

Why continue to watch it if you have this belief automatically?

Edited April 15, 2019 by Drew

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

We can all be critical of a storyline but until it plays out, there is always a chance that its all for the best.

But my easiest prediction of the final season is that some people won't be satisfied regardless of the outcome.

[CurlyDumps 4439]

8 minutes ago, Drew said:

Why do people still do this. Regardless of rather you think D&D can hold a candle to GRRM or not(They can't), stop acting like this is some poorly written show.  Like ALL shows, even great ones, there are some times with iffy dialogue or questionable choices.  Obviously they were better with his source material, how could they not be?  But they are not bad, and pretending that it sucks because they are writing it just obviously ruins your excitement for the show. 

Why continue to watch it if you have this belief automatically?

Because I still like the show.  Despite the iffy dialogue and questionable choices and stuff. 

I'm also sympathetic to D&D and the shitty situation they found themselves in. I'm sure they would much rather have books to lean on, but they don't, and they have to navigate and land the plane themselves with a handful of bullet points or whatever the fat man gave them.

It's funny that you pull this art police / martyr act even when you agree with me.  Sheesh.  You're relentless.

 

[Michael Knight 12898]

2 hours ago, Go Pokes said:

That's more of a book only thing though.  The TV show chooses to ignore certain book aspects and the whole "only Valaryians can ride a dragon" is obviously one of those things.  I can't recall any mention of it anywhere in the TV show.  

 

Ok, now that I have read the article, I get it.  They kind of blew a big moment there.  Had they established these rules in the show, which could have been done with one 60 second conversation between Dany and Tyrion,  then whatever time they invest in Dany learns Jon is a Targ could have been used here.  They should have gone in order:

1.  Sam tells Jon about his parents

2.  Jon tells Dany about it and Dany questions it

3.  Jon rides a dragon and she is convinced he is a Targ.  

Jon was the first person other than Dany that the dragons let touch, thats why Dany told him to ride because she could sense Rhaegels connection to him.

[Drew 2331]

33 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Because I still like the show.  Despite the iffy dialogue and questionable choices and stuff. 

I'm also sympathetic to D&D and the shitty situation they found themselves in. I'm sure they would much rather have books to lean on, but they don't, and they have to navigate and land the plane themselves with a handful of bullet points or whatever the fat man gave them.

It's funny that you pull this art police / martyr act even when you agree with me.  Sheesh.  You're relentless.

 

 Fair enough, and I agree on the bolded.

I've seen some show sympathy to GRRM for having this taken away from him in some way, and I have none whatsoever.

 

[Barry_McCokiner 160]

Pretty tired of The Whiners shitting on the show.  Put on Hawaii 5-0

[PRONG HORN 3104]

25 minutes ago, Barry_McCokiner said:

Pretty tired of The Whiners shitting on the show.  Put on Hawaii 5-0

 

There is a thread for show fags.  

 

[austingirl 2186]

5 hours ago, Go Pokes said:

Anyone have an idea what that weapon was Arya wanted Gendry to make?

It looks like a detachable dragonglass spearhead, that screws on to the spear. I'm wondering if it's hollowed out somewhat so she can put poison in it, a la Oberyn Martell.

[bamachine 1230]

2 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Jon was the first person other than Dany that the dragons let touch, thats why Dany told him to ride because she could sense Rhaegels connection to him.

Maybe that she witnessed but Tyrion also touched them, not Drogon but the other two.

[demos 2992]

Dropping in to say fuck that fat bastard for not finishing the books already.

[RPM 26228]

41 minutes ago, austingirl said:

It looks like a detachable dragonglass spearhead, that screws on to the spear.

A Walker bazooka?

[Player 4575]

Anyone have an idea what that weapon was Arya wanted Gendry to make?

[utee94 15745]

7 hours ago, elguapo said:

The NK/WW appear to be using COF symbols.

From the COF cave beneath dragonstone:



First episode prologue:


Fist of first men:


When COF create the NK:

You all are missing the most obvious connection:

Clearly the Whitewalkers hope to defeat The Beast.  This ties in perfectly with the theory that Dany is actually evil, her dragons represent The Beast, and the Whitewalkers will unite with Colwyn* to take down Dany and the dragons.

 

*Colwyn may or may not have Stark blood.  I'm honestly not certain he's brooding enough to be a Stark.

Edited April 16, 2019 by utee94

[futureman 22415]

2 hours ago, austingirl said:

It looks like a detachable dragonglass spearhead, that screws on to the spear. I'm wondering if it's hollowed out somewhat so she can put poison in it, a la Oberyn Martell.

why, pray tell, would you need poison to fight the white walkers?

[Disco Missile 456]

7 hours ago, MillerEP said:

I agree with this article:
https://nerdist.com/article/game-of-thrones-undermined-biggest-moment/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Nerdist&utm_content=How%20GAME%20OF%20THRONES%20Undermined%20Its%20Own%20Biggest%20Moment

 

7 hours ago, elguapo said:

Agree, fans have been theorizing forever about who the other dragon riders would be and they didn't give it nearly the weight it deserved.  It's the type of reveal that GRRM would have nailed and fuck him for leaving it to these fan fiction show writers to handle.

Did you guys see the part where they burned a kid on tv, and no one even blinked an eye because of the context?
This is how this show works. It hides things in plain sight and you don't notice until it's too late.

[Disco Missile 456]

7 hours ago, elguapo said:

The NK/WW appear to be using COF symbols.

From the COF cave beneath dragonstone:



First episode prologue:


Fist of first men:


When COF create the NK:

I don't recall the symbols being used in the books (admittedly it's been a while since I read them) but I remember watching the directors narrating an episode and when it got to the symbol in S1 E1 he said something like "and here's a symbol by the White Walkers showing that they're not just dumb zombies."

It was kind of a let down. The show just uses the symbols as a visual cue that the NK is sentient. I don't get the impression that there's more to it than that outside of fanboy internet theories.

[austingirl 2186]

22 minutes ago, futureman said:

why, pray tell, would you need poison to fight the white walkers?

Good point. I was thinking that she'd use it to kill more than just White Walkers.

[Go Pokes 979]

Good point. I was thinking that she'd use it to kill more than just White Walkers.

I was thinking it was for Cersi. Seems weird to be planning ahead though. Shit, I wouldn’t even be planning my weekend if I was them.

[thrillhammer 683]

33 minutes ago, austingirl said:

Good point. I was thinking that she'd use it to kill more than just White Walkers.

she could put wildfire in it.

[naija 2854]

5 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

We can all be critical of a storyline but until it plays out, there is always a chance that its all for the best.

But my easiest prediction of the final season is that some people won't be satisfied regardless of the outcome.

likely true of the books as well. my guess is that's what gives GRRM the most anxiety

[Mojo Hand 4580]

8 hours ago, Go Pokes said:

Anyone have an idea what that weapon was Arya wanted Gendry to make?

A girl has invented Westeros's first primative gun. 

[Eastwood 4394]

At first, I thought it was a dragon glass dart gun. Jaqen had used a dart on a Lannister soldier at Harrenhall.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Maybe it's just because obsidian/dragonglass is still, you know, glass. It tends to break easy. It would suck to pull out your dragonglass spear when the whitewalkers arrive only to find that it had broken off against your armour or something. At least this way you can swap out the tips.

[DDD Dad 14251]

[huge 3788]

wait, are you trying to humanize someone we all hate?

[Mojo Hand 4580]

40 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

 

No, I want a long written story from him that was promised years ago. 

[Lidig8r 1856]

19 hours ago, Go Pokes said:

That's more of a book only thing though.  The TV show chooses to ignore certain book aspects and the whole "only Valaryians can ride a dragon" is obviously one of those things.  I can't recall any mention of it anywhere in the TV show.  

 

Ok, now that I have read the article, I get it.  They kind of blew a big moment there.  Had they established these rules in the show, which could have been done with one 60 second conversation between Dany and Tyrion,  then whatever time they invest in Dany learns Jon is a Targ could have been used here.  They should have gone in order:

1.  Sam tells Jon about his parents

2.  Jon tells Dany about it and Dany questions it

3.  Jon rides a dragon and she is convinced he is a Targ.  

4. Dany, being awash with out of control ambition, goes "Mad King" on Jon by stabbing him in the chest as she is riding his sybian.

[seven 1366]

So I agree that this has not been shown or explained on the actual show, but on the inside the episode one of the D's specifically says only targs can ride dragons. 

[Llano Estacado 1257]

No, I want a long written story from him that was promised years ago. 

This.

I’m not going to do the math, but at ~20 years and a page per day he should have already had this thing wrapped. Instead we’re still waiting on 1.5 books.

Poor Alex getting screwed. Worst publishing rate ever.

[futureman 22415]

9 minutes ago, seven said:

So I agree that this has not been shown or explained on the actual show, but on the inside the episode one of the D's specifically says only targs can ride dragons. 

while technically you may be correct it sounds like the D was just being a bit of a bookfag.  what he says in interviews has nothing to do with what takes place in the actual show world.  and in the show world nobody says only targs can mount dragons.  

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

If it comes on in the making of big immediately after the shows then I'm not sure you can say it's bookfag stuff. Kinda like the preview scenes for what is coming up. It's not like it came from some YouTube video you have to actively seek out.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

51 minutes ago, seven said:

So I agree that this has not been shown or explained on the actual show, but on the inside the episode one of the D's specifically says only targs can ride dragons. 

Technically others rode a dragon last season while escaping the NK and his buddies from north of the wall.  But I get the point that they almost certainly needed Dany onboard as well. 

[seven 1366]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Technically others rode a dragon last season while escaping the NK and his buddies from north of the wall.  But I get the point that they almost certainly needed Dany onboard as well. 

Yeah, my take from the scene was Jon rode a dragon because Dany told her kids to be nice to the new guy she's dating. The writers had a different intention that apparently didn't come across properly. It's not a huge deal imo. 

[futureman 22415]

29 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

If it comes on in the making of big immediately after the shows then I'm not sure you can say it's bookfag stuff. Kinda like the preview scenes for what is coming up. It's not like it came from some YouTube video you have to actively seek out.

are you serious?  the preview scenes are actual scenes from the show.  captain dipshit riffing during an interview has fuckall to do with that.  

as far as what’s been given to us in the actual show, everyone in the seven kingdoms plus essos too can hop aboard a dragon and fly whenever and wherever they want.  period. 

[CurlyDumps 4439]

1 hour ago, futureman said:

are you serious?  the preview scenes are actual scenes from the show.  captain dipshit riffing during an interview has fuckall to do with that.  

as far as what’s been given to us in the actual show, everyone in the seven kingdoms plus essos too can hop aboard a dragon and fly whenever and wherever they want.  period. 

Are you serious?  

The co-creator of the show was talking about his show. Not “riffing” on book lore that may or may not be excluded from the show.

Two people have ridden dragons on the show. Hopping on as a passenger is different. I bet that when Jon tells Dany the news, she’s going to say she already knew. She figured it out when she saw him pet Rhaegal.  That’s why she encouraged him to go on the joyride. 

 

Edit: 3 if we count the NK

Edited April 16, 2019 by CurlyDumps

[gsoda3 3236]

If she knew from that and still said keep your queen warm that's next level targaryan.