Breaking news - Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on fire

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5 hours ago, Telegraph_it said:

Trump agrees with me. 🤔

 

 

Is that good?

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3 minutes ago, Whiskyteer said:

Wifey and I were at the Cathedral around noon today.   We heard first responders speeding by our hotel around 7:15 this afternoon.  By 7:30, we could see the flames through the thick smoke.  So sad for the people of Paris and for the Church.  There were hundred thousand folks lining both banks shocked and distraught.  So sad

The handful of friends I've still got over there have been radio silent on Facebook. Of course, as a people, they tend to not be the attention whores that Americans can be.

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19 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

I bet they get it done within 10 years.  1) high-profile campaign will easily get them $1-$2 billion.  Worldwide.  2) "We have the technology".   If you're a stonecutter/carpenter/etc., you're there and will get paid handsomely.

Because it's Easter Week, and because this is one of the most unearthly beautiful things I've heard on YouTube, Victimae Paschale Laudes, the Easter Sequence, sung from... Notre Dame by the Choire of Notre Dame de Paris, arranged by former cathedral organist Pierre Cochereau (d. 1984), played by current titular (er, "chief") organist Pierre Grandmaison ... in 2009.  Sound isn't terrific but it's good enough.  If nothing else, the last "Amen. Alleluia." at 3:00-3:15 is drop-dead gorgeous.

Imagine how much more unbelievably incredible this would sound in person - Notre Dame has a more resonant, lasting echo to it than most other cathedrals.  You are immediately surrounded by a swell of sound, there's almost nothing like it (and I've been to a buncha cathedrals).  Imagine this live.  Well, you can't.  Neither can I (wasn't there for this).  Unbelievably, no-words-beautiful what sounds can come from that organ in that church.

 

Yeah I don't think they'll have any budget constraints.  And they'll be able to use modern engineering and building techniques to rebuild it better than ever.  Just imagine the acoustics they can build into that thing.

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3 hours ago, Vito Andolini said:

I always see weird shit in images, but look at the base of the spire, the two large negative spaces look like two skull-headed aliens looking at each other, the one on the left has an ammo belt strapped across his chest, the one on the right is in a robe. #DontTellAlexJones

Damnit Vito, I didn't need to hear/see that...

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According to France 24, Paris investigators preliminarily believe it was an accident.  I hope that holds.

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11 minutes ago, Whiskyteer said:

Wifey and I were at the Cathedral around noon today.   We heard first responders speeding by our hotel around 7:15 this afternoon.  By 7:30, we could see the flames through the thick smoke.  So sad for the people of Paris and for the Church.  There were hundred thousand folks lining both banks shocked and distraught.  So sad

Surly suspect #2

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Can the sagrada familia burn, or is it all concrete and stone?

It doesn’t have the centuries behind it though. 

The timbers between the stone groin arches and the roof (I'd guess it's slate or zinc or lead) is what is burning.  This is Nantes, which burned in 2015.

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27 minutes ago, retread said:

 

Image  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OlykgXsAYEBcH.jpg

WTF are those candles on the wall made out of?  How in the hell are they not melted?  Something doesn't seem right with the "inside" photos.

[staboner 5,090]

goddammit. just waking up to see this shit. this sucks.

such an icon. there are certainly larger and arguably nicer, more grand cathedrals in Europe, but ND is so majestic there on the island, right in the middle of town

poor Paris. Poor France. they are just in some shit for what seems like so long now. One of the great cities in the world. sigh

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

WTF are those candles on the wall made out of?  How in the hell are they not melted?  Something doesn't seem right with the "inside" photos.

Glass canisters filled with oil, per the internet.

I thought the same about the photos, but the one with the illuminated cross and the smoke around the altar is from Reuters.

Edited April 15, 2019 by retread

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Just now, staboner said:

goddammit. just waking up to see this shit. this sucks.

Humblebrag?

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I was expecting those interior photos to be wayyyy worse.

Did the stone arches contain most of the fire from above? I see a hole or two but that's about it.

Edited April 15, 2019 by mcbrisket

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According to France 24, Paris investigators preliminarily believe it was an accident.  I hope that holds.

How would you like to be “that guy”?

[Pato del Muerto 53,548]

4 minutes ago, gecko said:

How would you like to be “that guy”?

@That Guy

@Thatguy

well?

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Insurancé fráude

[Vito Andolini 9,454]

49 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

So by next week the French government will be setting up a national subscription soliciting contributions.  I would expect that they'll get a fair amount that way, both domestically and from overseas.

Geaux Fund Moi

[bolverk 30,351]

Reuters slide show of the fire:

https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/pictures-report-idUSRTX6RS6E

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LOL.

Like Brisket said he means the plane drops its load of water, water weighs 8.34 lbs a gallon, obviously on the higher end of the aerial tankers but a 20,000 gallon drop is dumping 165,000 pounds in a fairly small area.


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Only if dropped from a plane that takes off from a treadmill.

Just giving you a hard time.

This is tragic.

I get that part.  I understood it was if water drops reacted differently during a blaze that would turn them into bullets or something that would pierce clothing and skin.

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Sorry wood was trying to quote hornimal


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16 minutes ago, mcbrisket said:

I was expecting those interior photos to be wayyyy worse.

Did the stone arches contain most of the fire from above? I see a hole or two but that's about it.

That's what it looked like. I'm guessing the spire coming down punched out one of the stone arches. 

The one on the right. 

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13 minutes ago, thestud said:

 

 

Im not good at finding a proper explanation of it because I’m on my phone, but if someone had piled up some rags covered in stain/paint thinner/etc it can cause a problem as well. I’ve been on numerous fires that were spawned because of this. If they were renovating it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that this was the culprit. Also, welders seem to be a common theme as well. And then occasionally a room will be so full of fumes that it has reached its LEL and all it needs is a spark. Lots of options here

https://cultureofsafety.thesilverlining.com/safety-tips/spontaneous-combustion-of-oily-rags/

 

 

Cigarette, maybe

[bolverk 30,351]

Reuters is running a live feed from the Rive Droite. The only commentary is from Frenchies standing around watching, so it's not too annoying.

It shows workers walking around between the two bell towers. No signs of active fire.

http://www.reuters.tv/live

 

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13 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

That's what it looked like. I'm guessing the spire coming down punched out one of the stone arches. 

The one on the right. 

Ok--I got to tell you--that looks a lot better than I would have expected.  That there are still substantial parts of the barrel vault still intact is really very promising.

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36 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

WTF are those candles on the wall made out of?  How in the hell are they not melted?  Something doesn't seem right with the "inside" photos.

What candles? I see the candle holders, but no candles.

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33 minutes ago, mcbrisket said:

I was expecting those interior photos to be wayyyy worse.

Did the stone arches contain most of the fire from above? I see a hole or two but that's about it.

Yeah, i was also expecting much, much worse. 

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2 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Yeah, i was also expecting much, much worse. 

Wasn't built by aggy. So, they had that going for them. 

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8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Ok--I got to tell you--that looks a lot better than I would have expected.  That there are still substantial parts of the barrel vault still intact is really very promising.

There could still be significant structural damage.  We will know more tomorrow.  It still may be compromised.  They do need to potentially shore things up until restoration can start.  

I know I will be contributing to the restoration campaign.

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8 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Yeah, i was also expecting much, much worse. 

Likewise.  Sentiment late this morning (our time) was that it would be a big ash pile by EOD.    Apparently / hopefully not so. 

[Hook1997 5,511]

What are the chances of two surly’s there today and neither had a part in this........

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6 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Yeah, i was also expecting much, much worse. 

Ditto.

Even if the stonework is compromised, this is a much better starting position for the restoration than what we were all afraid of.

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i took a Western iconography class while at DDS, and we spent 1/3 of the seminar on Notre Dame. i fell in love with her back then.

i am devastated.


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1 hour ago, Whiskyteer said:

Wifey and I were at the Cathedral around noon today.   We heard first responders speeding by our hotel around 7:15 this afternoon.  By 7:30, we could see the flames through the thick smoke.  So sad for the people of Paris and for the Church.  There were hundred thousand folks lining both banks shocked and distraught.  So sad

This sucks.  Wife and I going to Paris next week.  She has been to Notre Dame, I have not.  Just terrible for the people there.  

Glad they saved the relics and enough of the structure to rebuild.  Still a tragedy.  

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Just now, thestud said:

Damned Parisian Bomberos did a bangup job. Those boys deserve a raise or at least a nice snail dinner. Not to disparage the surly masses but very few here will ever understand or comprehend the amount of work and mental strategery that had to take place to achieve today’s outcome. The French deserve a lot of shit for a lot of things, but today they deserve a helluva commendation.

Agreed.  I have watched those guys drill while in Paris.  Getting to the blaze was a logistical nightmare.  It is the best possible outcome at this point in time.

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If they try to rebuild it the way it was, I wonder how much of the techniques have been lost over the centuries as different tools, materials, and techniques were developed. 

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How would you like to be “that guy”?

Wanna get away?

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10 minutes ago, thestud said:

Damned Parisian Bomberos did a bangup job. Those boys deserve a raise or at least a nice snail dinner. Not to disparage the surly masses but very few here will ever understand or comprehend the amount of work and mental strategery that had to take place to achieve today’s outcome. The French deserve a lot of shit for a lot of things, but today they deserve a helluva commendation.

Yep.  When they realized once they were on the scene that the roof/spire fire were a lost cause, they ran in to help remove the stuff that could not be replaced at risk of their lives.   That’s some heroic shit if I’ve ever scene/heard it.   

Edited April 16, 2019 by Trey3216

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6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

If they try to rebuild it the way it was, I wonder how much of the techniques have been lost over the centuries as different tools, materials, and techniques were developed. 

nah, they can do it.

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Agreed.  I have watched those guys drill while in Paris.  Getting to the blaze was a logistical nightmare.  It is the best possible outcome at this point in time.

I wonder how bad traffic screwed them. It started around 6:45 so that's got to be a terrible time.
Only bright side is the core looks ok and it can be renovated to better tech

Also. Sounds like they saved some art. I'm sure a ton was lost but hopefully they got some out.

[GopherRock 1,773]

Some crazy images from Le Globe. 

 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

WTF are those candles on the wall made out of?  How in the hell are they not melted?  Something doesn't seem right with the "inside" photos.

With your history and background I'm surprised.......Miracles Anyone?

[Longhorn94 2,501]

false alarm

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by Longhorn94

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3 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

Donation Link is up:

 

https://don.fondation-patrimoine.org/SauvonsNotreDame/~mon-don

 

Hi, thanks for sending me your money! 

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oh is that not the right one?

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I wonder how bad traffic screwed them. It started around 6:45 so that's got to be a terrible time.
Only bright side is the core looks ok and it can be renovated to better tech

Also. Sounds like they saved some art. I'm sure a ton was lost but hopefully they got some out.

They had a guy that knew the alternate routes.

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8 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said:

With your history and background I'm surprised.......Miracles Anyone?

Priceless works of art and historical artifacts destroyed, but some $10 candles survived ... IT'S A MIRACLE! 

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4 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

oh is that not the right one?

no idea, but I looked at the site, saw the name and this image and thought we could all use a laugh. If anyone can find the right one I am in for 3.50. 

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This image is surreal.  Sorry if already posted:

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1 hour ago, BrickTop said:

Like Brisket said he means the plane drops its load of water, water weighs 8.34 lbs a gallon, obviously on the higher end of the aerial tankers but a 20,000 gallon drop is dumping 165,000 pounds in a fairly small area.

oops. never mind.

Edited April 16, 2019 by wood