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On 2/12/2024 at 11:17 AM, sidis said:

you two nut jobs are the only people i would ask this based on posting history...

grabbing a bottle of salon for a gift. 聽have either of you compared the 2012 to the 2013 and have any opinions on the superior vintage?

On 2/12/2024 at 8:21 PM, b_p said:

I鈥檝e not had either of those, but based on the other 2012s and 2013s I鈥檝e had, I think I lean toward 2012. With that said, you can鈥檛 go wrong with either. Just one question - how does one get on your gift list?

If this is for Valentine鈥檚 Day and she鈥檚 a keeper, go with 2002 and there will likely be some magic, if you know what I mean.聽

On 5/21/2024 at 9:36 PM, b_p said:

One more from this weekend

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Has anyone heard of the Francois Audouze wine dinners?聽 He hosts a number of dinners throughout the year (12 in 2024) and opens up his 40,000 bottle cellar.聽 They are usually in Paris and are not cheap (~$2,300 - $6,800), but would be a bucket list experience for me.聽 Here is a sample of some of the wines he's served.

http://www.wine-dinners.com/en/聽(this website could use an upgrade)

Some of the wines in recent and upcoming dinners:

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Oct 2024

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Romanee Conti Estate of Romanee Conti 1955

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Roman茅e Conti Estate of Roman茅e Conti 1945

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Romanee Conti Estate of Romanee Conti 1929

Dec 2024

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Taittinger Counts of Champagne 1959

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Salon Le Mesnil 1988

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chateau Laville Haut-Brion 1969

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Montrachet Morin Father & Son 1990

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chateau Grand La Lagune 1934

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Great Wine of L茅oville from the Marquis de Las Cases 1918

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ech茅zeaux Domaine Dujac 1976

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Great Ech茅zeaux Domaine de la Roman茅e Conti 1976

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chateau Climens Barsac 1966

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chateau de Fargues Sauternes 1985

Feb 2025

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Mumm Cuv茅e Ren茅 Lalou magnum 1982

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Bollinger Vieilles Vignes Fran莽aises 1999

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Riesling Clos Sainte Hune Trimbach 1975

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Haut-Brion blanc 1953

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Brane-Cantenac 1928

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau N茅nin Pomerol 1961

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Santenay Gravi猫res Jessiaume P猫re et Fils 1928

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau de Beaucastel Ch芒teauneuf-du-Pape 1959

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Chalon Jean Bourdy 1942

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Gilette Cr猫me de T锚te Sauternes 1961

March 2025

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Jacques Selosse Substance d茅gorg茅 07/2013

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Salon 1997

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 B芒tard Montrachet Domaine Leflaive 1990

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chante Alouette Hermitage blanc M. Chapoutier 1952

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Cheval Blanc 1960

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Cos d'Estournel Saint-Est猫phe 1955

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chambertin Clos de B猫ze Armand Rousseau 1998

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Vega Sicilia Unico 1941

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Chalon Jean Bourdy 1947

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau d'Yquem 1962

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Has anyone heard of the Francois Audouze wine dinners?聽 He hosts a number of dinners throughout the year (12 in 2024) and opens up his 40,000 bottle cellar.聽 They are usually in Paris and are not cheap (~$2,300 - $6,800), but would be a bucket list experience for me.聽 Here is a sample of some of the wines he's served.

http://www.wine-dinners.com/en/聽(this website could use an upgrade)

Some of the wines in recent and upcoming dinners:

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Oct 2024

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Romanee Conti Estate of Romanee Conti 1955

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Roman茅e Conti Estate of Roman茅e Conti 1945

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Romanee Conti Estate of Romanee Conti 1929

Dec 2024

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Taittinger Counts of Champagne 1959

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Salon Le Mesnil 1988

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chateau Laville Haut-Brion 1969

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Montrachet Morin Father & Son 1990

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chateau Grand La Lagune 1934

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Great Wine of L茅oville from the Marquis de Las Cases 1918

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ech茅zeaux Domaine Dujac 1976

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Great Ech茅zeaux Domaine de la Roman茅e Conti 1976

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chateau Climens Barsac 1966

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chateau de Fargues Sauternes 1985

Feb 2025

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Mumm Cuv茅e Ren茅 Lalou magnum 1982

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Bollinger Vieilles Vignes Fran莽aises 1999

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Riesling Clos Sainte Hune Trimbach 1975

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Haut-Brion blanc 1953

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Brane-Cantenac 1928

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau N茅nin Pomerol 1961

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Santenay Gravi猫res Jessiaume P猫re et Fils 1928

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau de Beaucastel Ch芒teauneuf-du-Pape 1959

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Chalon Jean Bourdy 1942

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Gilette Cr猫me de T锚te Sauternes 1961

March 2025

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Jacques Selosse Substance d茅gorg茅 07/2013

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Champagne Salon 1997

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 B芒tard Montrachet Domaine Leflaive 1990

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chante Alouette Hermitage blanc M. Chapoutier 1952

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Cheval Blanc 1960

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Cos d'Estournel Saint-Est猫phe 1955

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chambertin Clos de B猫ze Armand Rousseau 1998

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Vega Sicilia Unico 1941

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau Chalon Jean Bourdy 1947

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ch芒teau d'Yquem 1962

The knock on Audouze has long been that while you might strike gold, plenty of his older bottles are just not in great shape, which isn't surprising considering their age. But it becomes a problem when he refuses to acknowledge bad bottles and you're paying thousands of dollars to drink them. That said, I'd be tempted, depending on the lineup.

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