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9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not making excuses for Roger Waters. I'm tired of dipshits like him being used as bludgeons against those of us who are pro-Palestinian liberation in this thread.

Here’s something that’s good to figure out early: If there is a parade of 100 people, and 10 of them are Nazis in the parade with flags and shit, it’s not 10 Nazis and 90 very fine people. It’s just a Nazi parade. Very fine people don’t march with Nazis and they don’t make temporary peace to achieve mutual aims with Nazis. 
 

If there’s a rally and it’s 20 Communists calling for violent revolution out of 100– it’s just a Communist rally. It’s not 80 liberals and a few Commies. It’s just a fucking tankie rally. 
 

Sorry you gotta police your own. @DDD Dadwas very specific in calling out Waters’ as a good example of hiding behind “anti-Israel not anti-Jew” and then doing the most obvious anti-Israel shit imaginable.  

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21 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Here’s something that’s good to figure out early: If there is a parade of 100 people, and 10 of them are Nazis in the parade with flags and shit, it’s not 10 Nazis and 90 very fine people. It’s just a Nazi parade. Very fine people don’t march with Nazis and they don’t make temporary peace to achieve mutual aims with Nazis. 
 

If there’s a rally and it’s 20 Communists calling for violent revolution out of 100– it’s just a Communist rally. It’s not 80 liberals and a few Commies. It’s just a fucking tankie rally. 
 

Sorry you gotta police your own. @DDD Dadwas very specific in calling out Waters’ as a good example of hiding behind “anti-Israel not anti-Jew” and then doing the most obvious anti-Israel shit imaginable.  

How would you describe Israel's treatment of Muslims in the occupied territories?

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How would you describe Israel's treatment of Muslims in the occupied territories?

Israel should remove illegal settlements and should extend full civil rights to all Israeli regardless of religion and propose a legitimate path to statehood for Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank. A lot of what the Israeli government does is not justifiable. 

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Israel should remove illegal settlements and should extend full civil rights to all Israeli regardless of religion and propose a legitimate path to statehood for Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank. A lot of what the Israeli government does is not justifiable. 

This.

But when you get down to it, that won’t get it done. It won’t satisfy the most common pro-Palestinian refrain. It doesn’t get you “from the river to the sea.”

I mean, I am assured there are lots of pro-Palestinian voices who would accept an Israel continuing to exist, safe from further genocidal attack. I just don’t know where those voices actually are yet.
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Theocratic ethnostates suck. All of them. 

“Bro, we’re going to protest theocratic or ethnically based states, they shouldn’t exist. They’re illegitimate and shouldn’t exist!” 

”Oh, shit, we’re going to protest the existence of Pakistan, explicitly founded as a state for Muslims and where you are not allowed to convert from Islam on pain of death?”

”No, that’s not cool but we aren’t protesting Pakistan.”

”Oh, so we are going to protest the existence of Arab states that expelled Jews and legally privilege Muslims?”

”No bro, we aren’t protesting them even though that’s not cool.”

”Ok, I am totally pissed at the existence of nations created as homes for Poles and Czechs and Slovaks! Fuck them! Bring back the Habsburgs, it’s bullshit to create ethnostates!”

”Hahaha, no. They sound problematic too but we aren’t protesting them.” 

“What religious and/or ethnic state are we protesting as illegitimate?” 
 

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In contrast, I think it is much easier to distinguish the Israeli government (which, by the way, has members of the Knesset who are Palestinian Israeli citizens) from Jews and Israelis of all faiths and ethnicities.

This part is makes me go wow. I suggest you ponder why you hold this belief and whether it based on your biases and the information sources you consume. 
 

It was about 17 years ago that Hamas was elected. They were elected without a majority. The average age of Gazans is 17 years old. When was Bibi last elected? 

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This.

But when you get down to it, that won’t get it done. It won’t satisfy the most common pro-Palestinian refrain. It doesn’t get you “from the river to the sea.”

I mean, I am assured there are lots of pro-Palestinian voices who would accept an Israel continuing to exist, safe from further genocidal attack. I just don’t know where those voices actually are yet.

You rattled off a list of popular Western media sources asking me why you aren't seeing this kind of sentiment, at a time when being seen as a pro-Palestinian voice in Western media carries a massive risk of losing your career or worse. We're in a media climate currently where Western media sources routinely flippantly dehumanize Palestinians and push racist, Islamophobic  messaging on a daily basis. We're in a media climate where Piers Motherfucking Pants-shitting Pigfucker Morgan is basically the only "Western media source" (and I say that with, oh, so much irony) that regularly has Palestinian/pro-Palestinian voices on, even if it's just so he can attempt to berate or belittle them while patting himself on the back for how many of them he has platformed. We're in a media climate where Republican lawmakers can shout on live TV that all Palestinians should be exterminated, but does our media apparatus give a shit? Nope.

There are plenty of pro-Palestinian liberation voices within Israel itself, but you're not going to hear from them because they're getting arrested for liking the wrong social media posts or saying the wrong thing in front of the wrong person. I could point to someone like Jon Stewart, who is Jewish, is supportive of Israel's existence, and routinely speaks out in support of Palestinians.....but let's be real here. You're not asking for that kind of pro-Palestinian voice. You come across as wanting Palestinians to parade themselves on Western media outlets and qualify every statement they make about their suffering with repeated condemnations of Hamas and acknowledgment of Israel's right to exist/defend itself/whatever. It's gross. The morality checkpoint system that we've collectively employed to gatekeep all conversation around this subject is gross.

Our collective brains are so full of decades of anti-Arab/Palestinian agitprop that sometimes you can't think of them as anything but animals that can ever do anything but bite the mythical hand that [has never actually] tried to feed them. You can't imagine pro-Palestinian voices (such as my own, mind you) that support the continued existence of Israel. You seem to be unable to wrap your brain around that at all, and it's not even your fault, it's just a thing that Western media has done since before we were born, because Western media ultimately exists to serve the imperialistic purposes of America and other major Western powers, and unconditional support of everything Israel does is fully integrated into that apparatus.

The reality is that Israel exists. There was a fair bit of wrong in how it was created, but it's here, and it's going to continue to exist. Any sort of peace process has to go forward with that as a baseline. Anyone that isn't some kind of radical, fundamentalist psycho understands that.

This is an interesting pro-Palestinian voice to listen to, in my opinion. If you're not familiar, Bassem Youssef is an Egyptian comedian who was a heart surgeon prior to the Arab Spring. His wife is Palestinian, and a large part of her family is currently in Gaza. It's very long, but worth a listen, even if it is on this smarmy shitheel's show.

 

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59 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You rattled off a list of popular Western media sources asking me why you aren't seeing this kind of sentiment, at a time when being seen as a pro-Palestinian voice in Western media carries a massive risk of losing your career or worse. We're in a media climate currently where Western media sources routinely flippantly dehumanize Palestinians and push racist, Islamophobic  messaging on a daily basis. We're in a media climate where Piers Motherfucking Pants-shitting Pigfucker Morgan is basically the only "Western media source" (and I say that with, oh, so much irony) that regularly has Palestinian/pro-Palestinian voices on, even if it's just so he can attempt to berate or belittle them while patting himself on the back for how many of them he has platformed. We're in a media climate where Republican lawmakers can shout on live TV that all Palestinians should be exterminated, but does our media apparatus give a shit? Nope.

There are plenty of pro-Palestinian liberation voices within Israel itself, but you're not going to hear from them because they're getting arrested for liking the wrong social media posts or saying the wrong thing in front of the wrong person. I could point to someone like Jon Stewart, who is Jewish, is supportive of Israel's existence, and routinely speaks out in support of Palestinians.....but let's be real here. You're not asking for that kind of pro-Palestinian voice. You come across as wanting Palestinians to parade themselves on Western media outlets and qualify every statement they make about their suffering with repeated condemnations of Hamas and acknowledgment of Israel's right to exist/defend itself/whatever. It's gross. The morality checkpoint system that we've collectively employed to gatekeep all conversation around this subject is gross.

Our collective brains are so full of decades of anti-Arab/Palestinian agitprop that sometimes you can't think of them as anything but animals that can ever do anything but bite the mythical hand that [has never actually] tried to feed them. You can't imagine pro-Palestinian voices (such as my own, mind you) that support the continued existence of Israel. You seem to be unable to wrap your brain around that at all, and it's not even your fault, it's just a thing that Western media has done since before we were born, because Western media ultimately exists to serve the imperialistic purposes of America and other major Western powers, and unconditional support of everything Israel does is fully integrated into that apparatus.

The reality is that Israel exists. There was a fair bit of wrong in how it was created, but it's here, and it's going to continue to exist. Any sort of peace process has to go forward with that as a baseline. Anyone that isn't some kind of radical, fundamentalist psycho understands that.

 

This CSM article references Palestinian voices that, today, are supporting a two state solution along with acknowledgment that Israelis, too, deserve to live in peace. These folks see an opportunity to make progress working toward such a future precisely because of the harm Hamas instigated on 10/7 (justifiably provoked, or not.) They seek mediators from abroad, (and definitely not including the US,) and speak of a carrot of normalized relations between Israel and SA. The vehicle for these changes is the PA.

The problem, as stated in the article, is that it seems pretty unlikely that the Palestinian people will accept the PA as legitimate. 
 

Is this the type of agitprop you mention?

 

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2023/1108/As-Gaza-war-rages-West-Bank-officials-see-a-path-toward-peace

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8 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

“Nothing I ever do is anti-Semitic. Not even my pig with a Star of David painted on it. My dad fought in World War II.” 
 

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The constant apologetics and downplaying of obvious anti-semitism makes people non-credible when they whine about how being pro—Palestine tars them as as anti-semites. 
 

Ok, so maybe don’t downplay Charlottesville and make excuses for Roger Waters (who has also said that October 7 is fake). Maybe don’t get pissy when your news source is revealed as bullshit Kremlin juche? 

Is Shell Oil a Jewish corporation? Don’t show us a pic taken out of context. Show us a video. What other symbols get projected on that pig? Are there also crosses and sickles and dollar signs? Those are all symbols, along with the Star of David, that were dropped from airplanes like bombs during Goodbye Blue Sky in Roger’s performance of The Wall. Do you think that collectively those are a message of antisemitism? If you do then you just don’t get it. Or you work for the ADL.

Our addiction to oil, religion (the Abrahamic religions in particular), the military industrial complex, greed and capitalism, they’re why there’s no peace in the Middle East. Jewish, Christian, and Islamic symbols are all fair game, as are dollar signs and corporate logos.

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BREAKING: Iran's president lands in Saudi Arabia for Gaza summit, first such visit in more than a decade
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi has landed in the Saudi capital Riyadh for a major summit to discuss the conflict in Gaza.

The Iranian President was greeted by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, their first encounter since Saudi Arabia and Iran agreed to restore diplomatic relations earlier this year. It also marks the first visit by an Iranian president to the Kingdom in 11 years.
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6 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

You rattled off a list of popular Western media sources asking me why you aren't seeing this kind of sentiment, at a time when being seen as a pro-Palestinian voice in Western media carries a massive risk of losing your career or worse. We're in a media climate currently where Western media sources routinely flippantly dehumanize Palestinians and push racist, Islamophobic  messaging on a daily basis. We're in a media climate where Piers Motherfucking Pants-shitting Pigfucker Morgan is basically the only "Western media source" (and I say that with, oh, so much irony) that regularly has Palestinian/pro-Palestinian voices on, even if it's just so he can attempt to berate or belittle them while patting himself on the back for how many of them he has platformed. We're in a media climate where Republican lawmakers can shout on live TV that all Palestinians should be exterminated, but does our media apparatus give a shit? Nope.

There are plenty of pro-Palestinian liberation voices within Israel itself, but you're not going to hear from them because they're getting arrested for liking the wrong social media posts or saying the wrong thing in front of the wrong person. I could point to someone like Jon Stewart, who is Jewish, is supportive of Israel's existence, and routinely speaks out in support of Palestinians.....but let's be real here. You're not asking for that kind of pro-Palestinian voice. You come across as wanting Palestinians to parade themselves on Western media outlets and qualify every statement they make about their suffering with repeated condemnations of Hamas and acknowledgment of Israel's right to exist/defend itself/whatever. It's gross. The morality checkpoint system that we've collectively employed to gatekeep all conversation around this subject is gross.

Our collective brains are so full of decades of anti-Arab/Palestinian agitprop that sometimes you can't think of them as anything but animals that can ever do anything but bite the mythical hand that [has never actually] tried to feed them. You can't imagine pro-Palestinian voices (such as my own, mind you) that support the continued existence of Israel. You seem to be unable to wrap your brain around that at all, and it's not even your fault, it's just a thing that Western media has done since before we were born, because Western media ultimately exists to serve the imperialistic purposes of America and other major Western powers, and unconditional support of everything Israel does is fully integrated into that apparatus.

The reality is that Israel exists. There was a fair bit of wrong in how it was created, but it's here, and it's going to continue to exist. Any sort of peace process has to go forward with that as a baseline. Anyone that isn't some kind of radical, fundamentalist psycho understands that.

This is an interesting pro-Palestinian voice to listen to, in my opinion. If you're not familiar, Bassem Youssef is an Egyptian comedian who was a heart surgeon prior to the Arab Spring. His wife is Palestinian, and a large part of her family is currently in Gaza. It's very long, but worth a listen, even if it is on this smarmy shitheel's show.

 

I read this before going on my morning run. On my run, I started going through various counters to your arguments, but really…none of them were worth posting. 
 
Your post has shown a lot of thoughtfulness and sincerity, and displayed a lot of humanity (in the good sense) on the side of this issue that I generally contest. It highlighted complexities in very real ways that can’t be ignored, in good faith, and forces me to consider more points. I thank you for that. 

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3 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Is Shell Oil a Jewish corporation? Don’t show us a pic taken out of context. Show us a video. What other symbols get projected on that pig? Are there also crosses and sickles and dollar signs? Those are all symbols, along with the Star of David, that were dropped from airplanes like bombs during Goodbye Blue Sky in Roger’s performance of The Wall. Do you think that collectively those are a message of antisemitism? If you do then you just don’t get it. Or you work for the ADL.

Our addiction to oil, religion (the Abrahamic religions in particular), the military industrial complex, greed and capitalism, they’re why there’s no peace in the Middle East. Jewish, Christian, and Islamic symbols are all fair game, as are dollar signs and corporate logos.

There’s not a context for painting Stars of David on a pig, although additional context is a shithead who has said that maybe October 7 was fake. 
 

It’s time to grow up. 

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This is going to be an unpopular post here, but as maybe the one guy that’s dealt most closely with several Middle Eastern parties over the last decade, I thought it was interesting to hear his take on everything. I’m about halfway through it. 
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-in-with-chamath-jason-sacks-friedberg/id1502871393?i=1000634436355

Kushner interview 

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39 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

This is going to be an unpopular post here, but as maybe the one guy that’s dealt most closely with several Middle Eastern parties over the last decade, I thought it was interesting to hear his take on everything. I’m about halfway through it. 
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-in-with-chamath-jason-sacks-friedberg/id1502871393?i=1000634436355

Kushner interview 

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Really makes you wonder how much of this is about Palestinians……

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Protesting “Zionism” to end “enslavement of working people,” yikes. 

When I see stuff like this I start thinking that every bad actor (like Dr. Shiva, US Presidential Candidate) is using the war for their own benefit.  

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When I see stuff like this I start thinking that every bad actor (like Dr. Shiva, US Presidential Candidate) is using the war for their own benefit.  

 

When I see stuff like that posted here, I think about the type of propaganda artist that would post that here and think it was informative to consideration of the positions being taken by the posters here. Really makes you wonder…

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This.

But when you get down to it, that won’t get it done. It won’t satisfy the most common pro-Palestinian refrain. It doesn’t get you “from the river to the sea.”

I mean, I am assured there are lots of pro-Palestinian voices who would accept an Israel continuing to exist, safe from further genocidal attack. I just don’t know where those voices actually are yet.

That's not the saying. The saying is "From the river to the sea [wait for it] Palestine will be free."

There's nothing in there about eradicating anyone, much less Jews.

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Right….it’s about eliminating the Israeli state. Which is a non-starter of a position if peace is the goal.

No. It's about eliminating the apartheid elements of the Israeli state. Equal rights and equal treatment under the law.

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No. It's about eliminating the apartheid elements of the Israeli state. Equal rights and equal treatment under the law.

You do know that currently under Israeli law Palestinian Israeli citizens share equal rights with Jewish Israeli citizens, right?  
 

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No. It's about eliminating the apartheid elements of the Israeli state. Equal rights and equal treatment under the law.

Wait….you really think that’s what the slogan means? And not that from the river to the sea will be….Palestine? As in, “it will be Palestine, and not Israel?” Come on, man.
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Wait….you really think that’s what the slogan means? And not that from the river to the sea will be….Palestine? As in, “it will be Palestine, and not Israel?” Come on, man.

"be free" means "be free" I'm not sure how much clearer they need to be. Talk to anyone who uses it.

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"be free" means "be free" I'm not sure how much clearer they need to be. Talk to anyone who uses it.

Be free….from Israeli rule. Dude. The people chanting it at marches and shit say so. It’s not about Palestinians having equal rights in the Israeli state. Come on, now you’re just being disingenuous, which is a big part of the fucking problem here. Stop.
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Be free….from Israeli rule. Dude. The people chanting it at marches and shit say so. It’s not about Palestinians having equal rights in the Israeli state. Come on, now you’re just being disingenuous, which is a big part of the fucking problem here. Stop.

Not being disingenuous here. We only want an end to the apartheid (and, of course, the genocide). A pretty low bar.

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Not being disingenuous here. We only want an end to the apartheid (and, of course, the genocide). A pretty low bar.

YOU do. The vast majority of those chanting a slogan that MEANS Palestinian control “from the river to the sea” mean…what the slogan means. Stop trying to excuse the slogan. It does not express a goal of equality or compromise. Just like when right-wing Jews chant it - that’s also what THEY mean (all land being Israel from the Jordan to the Med).
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YOU do. The vast majority of those chanting a slogan that MEANS Palestinian control “from the river to the sea” mean…what the slogan means. Stop trying to excuse the slogan. It does not express a goal of equality or compromise. Just like when right-wing Jews chant it - that’s also what THEY mean (all land being Israel from the Jordan to the Med).

I'm not sure I can just take your word for it as I've not seen your credentials and qualifications as a spokesperson for people with whom it's clear you disagree. I might change my mind if you can find some credible, objective evidence that the people who use the slogan (and I'm not talking about Likud) want to expel, subjugate, or kill Jews.

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Not being disingenuous here. We only want an end to the apartheid (and, of course, the genocide). A pretty low bar.

You’re totally being disingenuous and moving goalposts. 
 

you say they want equal rights under the law. When I point out that Israel has that, you then claim, well they’re not really equal. 
 

come on, man. 

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I'm not sure I can just take your word for it as I've not seen your credentials and qualifications as a spokesperson for people with whom it's clear you disagree. I might change my mind if you can find some credible, objective evidence that the people who use the slogan (and I'm not talking about Likud) want to expel, subjugate, or kill Jews.

You have got to be kidding me. This has to be a bit.
Seriously, you are not enhancing the credibility of your “side” at all. You’re only further damaging it.

It has plainly genocidal tones and is a core slogan of Hamas in its pledge to drive Jews from the entire levant:
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“From the river to the sea” echoes through pro-Palestinian rallies across campuses and cities, adopted by some as a call for a single state on the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean.

By 2012, it was clear that Hamas had claimed the slogan in its drive to claim land spanning Israel, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

“Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” Khaled Mashaal, the group’s former leader, said that year in a speech in Gaza celebrating the 25th anniversary of the founding of Hamas. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land.”

The phrase also has roots in the Hamas charter.
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I gotta tell ya, if I wanted to chant for peace and equality, I PROBABLY wouldn’t adopt a slogan that’s regularly used by genocidal terrorist groups.
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You have got to be kidding me. This has to be a bit.
Seriously, you are not enhancing the credibility of your “side” at all. You’re only further damaging it.

It has plainly genocidal tones and is a core slogan of Hamas in its pledge to drive Jews from the entire levant:
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“From the river to the sea” echoes through pro-Palestinian rallies across campuses and cities, adopted by some as a call for a single state on the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean.

By 2012, it was clear that Hamas had claimed the slogan in its drive to claim land spanning Israel, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

“Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” Khaled Mashaal, the group’s former leader, said that year in a speech in Gaza celebrating the 25th anniversary of the founding of Hamas. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land.”

The phrase also has roots in the Hamas charter.
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I gotta tell ya, if I wanted to chant for peace and equality, I PROBABLY wouldn’t adopt a slogan that’s regularly used by genocidal terrorist groups.

You're just repeating yourself. Show me some sources and I might change my mind. I don't buy into your hysterical, paranoid viewpoint on this issue.

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