Israel

[BrickHorn 18237]

3 hours ago, Smax said:

 

Thanks for recs but come on everything is written with a slanted view. I  tend to agree with UW view of this, yes this current conflict can be traced to the creation of Israel by Western powers, but prior to that jews and muslims were not all kumbya holding hands everything great buddy. Yes there were times of "peace" but whichever sect was ruling was happy, the others were not, throughout history muslims have committed genocide to jews (and vice versa), it was one the first acts muhammed did when he came to power.

I think anyone who is jumping on UW or anyone else for mentioning the history between the two tribes and saying this only because of the creation of Israel and ignoring the deep seated animosity built up over the centuries is being naive and or ignorant. History is what shapes us and many of you are way too intelligent to ignore the history of jews and muslims and view this current conflict in a vacuum

 

That’s all hand-wavy bullshit. There’s no substance to this idea that Jews and Muslims have always been at odds, vying for control of the Middle East.

Jews were replaced as the majority in Palestine in the 5th century AD, by Christians. Christians were, in turn, surpassed by Muslims. For centuries, Jewish people formed a tiny minority in Palestine, amounting to somewhere in the range of 1-3% of the population. They just weren’t a significant part of the region’s demographics or history during that lengthy period, which only began to change in the late 1800s. 

It would be like if Aztecs had fled en masse to Europe, established themselves as Europeans, intermarried for centuries, but kept worshipping Quetzalcoatl and speaking Nahuatl as a second language. If their ancestors started immigrating to Mexico in 2400 and violence broke out between Aztecs and Spanish-speaking Mexicans, would it be fair to justify the situation with a shrug and a cliche like “Well, the Aztecs and Spaniards have been fighting back and forth forever, so whaddya gonna do?”

That would be stupid, right?

I mean, hell, you could use the same argument to justify war between Israel and any Western nation, since certainly Christians committed grave atrocities against the Jews throughout history (and far more recently than any Muslim-perpetrated aggression).

It’s bad history and bad logic, and it ends up causing otherwise intelligent people to stop thinking critically about current events. 

[BrickHorn 18237]

Too late to edit my last post, but I wanted to add: the canard that any two groups of human beings are eternal enemies is defeatist bullshit, based on a weird assumption that hatred is a genetic trait. Peace is possible, but not if we assume animosity is encoded in our DNA. 

[LCHorn 2621]

10 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

That’s all hand-wavy bullshit. There’s no substance to this idea that Jews and Muslims have always been at odds, vying for control of the Middle East.

@UpperWestsidehas been making the same claims about Israel and Iran on that thread, with the same misunderstanding of history.  
 

[UpperWestside 6169]

7 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

@UpperWestsidehas been making the same claims about Israel and Iran on that thread, with the same misunderstanding of history.  
 

More awesome stuff.

[Smax 3800]

25 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

That’s all hand-wavy bullshit. There’s no substance to this idea that Jews and Muslims have always been at odds, vying for control of the Middle East.

Jews were replaced as the majority in Palestine in the 5th century AD, by Christians. Christians were, in turn, surpassed by Muslims. For centuries, Jewish people formed a tiny minority in Palestine, amounting to somewhere in the range of 1-3% of the population. They just weren’t a significant part of the region’s demographics or history during that lengthy period, which only began to change in the late 1800s. 

It would be like if Aztecs had fled en masse to Europe, established themselves as Europeans, intermarried for centuries, but kept worshipping Quetzalcoatl and speaking Nahuatl as a second language. If their ancestors started immigrating to Mexico in 2400 and violence broke out between Aztecs and Spanish-speaking Mexicans, would it be fair to justify the situation with a shrug and a cliche like “Well, the Aztecs and Spaniards have been fighting back and forth forever, so whaddya gonna do?”

That would be stupid, right?

I mean, hell, you could use the same argument to justify war between Israel and any Western nation, since certainly Christians committed grave atrocities against the Jews throughout history (and far more recently than any Muslim-perpetrated aggression).

It’s bad history and bad logic, and it ends up causing otherwise intelligent people to stop thinking critically about current events. 

 

hand wavy bullshit? LOL, there is historical documentation of Arabs under muhammed attacking jewish settlements throughout the Arabian peninsula, the battle of uhud being one of the first.

Why did the Aztecs errr Jews flee en mass to another continent? Constant harrassment maybe? being labeled a dhimmi and having to pay a jizyah, you glossed over SO many important events that helped shape all of these feelings over a span 2000 year, so hand wavy bullshit, no not at all

 like my post above said you can not just gloss over and dismiss the history of the area, its narrow minded

[InkaUtexas 25986]

18 hours ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

Congress is going to send another $15 Billion , or maybe that was the first $15 Billion, I've lost track how much those murderous aholes are getting.  Anyway, the interesting part is $9 million has been allocated to Gaza aid.  $15 billion to kill them, $9 mil to anyone left alive.  

Still not enough, but this is the amount passed in the Israel bill. No justification, just FYI.

$9.1 billion for humanitarian needs

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-vote-long-awaited-95-billion-ukraine-israel-aid-package-2024-04-20/

[Welshy 907]

Take it to the Enshittening thread? Jesus.  

[BrickHorn 18237]

2 hours ago, Smax said:

hand wavy bullshit? LOL, there is historical documentation of Arabs under muhammed attacking jewish settlements throughout the Arabian peninsula, the battle of uhud being one of the first.

You’re literally talking about ancient history. Things that happened over 1,000 years ago.

The question isn’t whether those things happened; it’s whether they demonstrate a sustained conflict between Jews and Arabs of which the modern Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be understood as a mere continuation. That idea is ludicrous. It ignores the fact that the founders of Israel were European immigrants whose ancestors had lived outside the Levant (and thus had minimal to no contact with Arabs) for centuries, and the reasons those immigrants came in the first place. 

If you’re looking to explain the situation in Palestine as a consequence of conflict with a rival religious group, 20th Century Christians are far more relevant than 7th Century Muslims. 

Edited April 20 by BrickHorn

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

what to do going forward?? No conflict in history has lasted forever, this might, but what to do when Israel's arrogance and power cannot be reduced, in fact increases (triple the normal US Aid) with their worst murderous behavior (Gaza 2023-24).  It's surreal.  How can the powerful racist aggressor be rewarded over and over again? Baffling.  Israel wants the status quo of denying the Arabs any rights, while playing the victim, brainwashing everyone, exploiting American racism and far right Protestantism.  And nothing can be done at all. 

[BrickHorn 18237]

3 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

More awesome stuff.

Oh you are still following the thread. I assumed you were busy or offline, since you hadn’t responded to my request that you explain your theory. But it seems you’re just ducking the question.

So I’ll ask again: can you explain how “the origins of [the modern Israel-Palestine conflict] go back three millennia” (as you claimed in an earlier post)?

Edited April 20 by BrickHorn

[Smax 3800]

43 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

You’re literally talking about ancient history. Things that happened over 1,000 years ago.

The question isn’t whether those things happened; it’s whether they demonstrate a sustained conflict between Jews and Arabs of which the modern Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be understood as a mere continuation. That idea is ludicrous. It ignores the fact that the founders of Israel were European immigrants whose ancestors had lived outside the Levant (and thus had minimal to no contact with Arabs) for centuries, and the reasons those immigrants came in the first place. 

If you’re looking to explain the situation in Palestine as a consequence of conflict with a rival religious group, 20th Century Christians are far more relevant than 7th Century Muslims. 

 

 

lol ok you're not worth the effort man you're right, you're the middle east history expert here as this is your career and all 

[BrickHorn 18237]

Just now, Smax said:

lol ok you're not worth the effort man you're right, you're the middle east history expert here as this is your career and all 

Well, I certainly hope it’s not yours.

[Smax 3800]

1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

Well, I certainly hope it’s not yours.

 

Not not at all just lived in the Middle East for a year and reading over you opinions on the matter I cant help but think Ramius telling Ryan "your conclusions are all wrong"

[Brian Fantana 6689]

58 minutes ago, Smax said:

 

Not not at all just lived in the Middle East for a year and reading over you opinions on the matter I cant help but think Ramius telling Ryan "your conclusions are all wrong"

Wait, you genuinely believe living in the Middle East for a year means that your assertion is correct? I lived and worked in Riyadh for almost 2 years, so I guess my opinion is roughly twice as correct as yours. As I outrank you, I'm overruling your assertion.

Just stop already. Even the most insanely Zionist Israeli historians, like Benny Morris for example, don't make this claim. It's a uniquely stupid one that is mostly peddled by Western Christians, who as other posters have said, have traditionally (and more recently) been a much bigger problem for Jews worldwide than Arab Muslims ever have been.

[InkaUtexas 25986]

2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Wait, you genuinely believe living in the Middle East for a year means that your assertion is correct? I lived and worked in Riyadh for almost 2 years, so I guess my opinion is roughly twice as correct as yours. As I outrank you, I'm overruling your assertion.

Just stop already. Even the most insanely Zionist Israeli historians, like Benny Morris for example, don't make this claim. It's a uniquely stupid one that is mostly peddled by Western Christians, who as other posters have said, have traditionally (and more recently) been a much bigger problem for Jews worldwide than Arab Muslims ever have been.

Ladida. Seven years in the Middle East and worked in every country except Syria. And multiple degrees in International History with a focus on fucked up places. My interpreter for 3 of those years was Palestinian. His family was in the West Bank. He could break bread with an Israeli.

There are multiple levels behind the current (80 year) conflict.

1- History over land and water rights. Goes back since the land was settled.

2- Religion. I am right, you are wrong. External actors need it to continue.

3- Non-regional events that continue to be pushed there. The Crusades, spread of Islam, the Cold War....

There is no right or wrong. Fuck, tell me you are engineers without telling me you are engineers.

 

[Smax 3800]

11 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Wait, you genuinely believe living in the Middle East for a year means that your assertion is correct? I lived and worked in Riyadh for almost 2 years, so I guess my opinion is roughly twice as correct as yours. As I outrank you, I'm overruling your assertion.

Just stop already. Even the most insanely Zionist Israeli historians, like Benny Morris for example, don't make this claim. It's a uniquely stupid one that is mostly peddled by Western Christians, who as other posters have said, have traditionally (and more recently) been a much bigger problem for Jews worldwide than Arab Muslims ever have been.

 

Putting words in my mouth now, nice... 

The only "claim" I made, is that ignoring all the history between the two is narrow minded and I stand by that. Don't like my opinion, well I don't really give a fuck

[Brian Fantana 6689]

2 hours ago, Smax said:

 

Putting words in my mouth now, nice... 

The only "claim" I made, is that ignoring all the history between the two is narrow minded and I stand by that. Don't like my opinion, well I don't really give a fuck

I was making a joke if that wasn't clear.

e: About Mideast tenure lol, I still respectfully disagree.

13 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Ladida. Seven years in the Middle East and worked in every country except Syria. And multiple degrees in International History with a focus on fucked up places. My interpreter for 3 of those years was Palestinian. His family was in the West Bank. He could break bread with an Israeli.

There are multiple levels behind the current (80 year) conflict.

1- History over land and water rights. Goes back since the land was settled.

2- Religion. I am right, you are wrong. External actors need it to continue.

3- Non-regional events that continue to be pushed there. The Crusades, spread of Islam, the Cold War....

There is no right or wrong. Fuck, tell me you are engineers without telling me you are engineers.

 

You're not wrong! I don't disagree with any of this.

Edited April 21 by Brian Fantana

[InkaUtexas 25986]

3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I was making a joke if that wasn't clear.

You're not wrong!

I knew you were an engineer.

 

[Sawbonz 27578]

The problem is you have a not insubstantial number of loons on both sides (!) who truly believe YHWH/Allah gave their people that patch of dirt, and a substantial number on both sides who exploit and encourage those loons in order to advance their own interests. Then you have “Christian” loons who are rooting for war because that means Jesus is coming back

How do you fix that?

[InkaUtexas 25986]

12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

The problem is you have a not insubstantial number of loons on both sides (!) who truly believe YHWH/Allah gave their people that patch of dirt, and a substantial number on both sides who exploit and encourage those loons in order to advance their own interests. Then you have “Christian” loons who are rooting for war because that means Jesus is coming back

How do you fix that?

I addressed that as an issue a few pages back. That is a major issue. When a Rabbi or Mullah is calling out for their rights over an ancient building (think Dome of the Rock) it is hard to reconcile.

It is a generational fix. Look at the Balkans. Every second or third generation there is a war over land and religion and history is used to justify it by the aggressor.

The fix is get kids to play. Get families to inter-marry. The hardline won't do this, but slowly they can be pushed out of day to day society. The Gulf is a good example. What the Mullahs preach on Friday is "allowed" by the government (AKA the Sheik). There are very moderate Rabbis. Amplify their voices.

Both sides on this need to move back to moderates. Want power? Become a political party. You pick up weapons to seize land (like Hamas did) then you are sanctioned and hammered at the leadership level. Not the foot soldier. Israel needs to stop some of their tactics used before October 7. Start with razing homes and stores if one family member was a terrorist.

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

22 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

The problem is you have a not insubstantial number of loons on both sides (!) who truly believe YHWH/Allah gave their people that patch of dirt, and a substantial number on both sides who exploit and encourage those loons in order to advance their own interests. Then you have “Christian” loons who are rooting for war because that means Jesus is coming back

How do you fix that?

let atheists run the world?

[Sawbonz 27578]

14 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

let atheists run the world?

Stalin tried that. Need to murder a whole lot of believers. That can be problematic 

 

18 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Both sides on this need to move back to moderates. Want power? Become a political party. You pick up weapons to seize land (like Hamas did) then you are sanctioned and hammered at the leadership level. Not the foot soldier. Israel needs to stop some of their tactics used before October 7. Start with razing homes and stores if one family member was a terrorist.

This is fine until some settlers terrorize their Palestinian neighbors. Or someone detonates their suicide vest amongst a group of Jewish people

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Stalin tried that. Need to murder a whole lot of believers. That can be problematic 

 

This is fine until some settlers terrorize their Palestinian neighbors. Or someone detonates their suicide vest amongst a group of Jewish people

your model for how all atheists behave is Stalin? really?

[Sawbonz 27578]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

your model for how all atheists behave is Stalin? really?

Don’t be fatuous. If your prior statement is aspirational fine. If you are positing that a non authoritarian government made up of atheists could conceivably “run the world” I stand by my statement 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Don’t be fatuous. If your prior statement is aspirational fine. If you are positing that a non authoritarian government made up of atheists could conceivably “run the world” I stand by my statement 

I just want to understand: you are stating that there is no conceivable universe where atheists run the world without religious cleansing? Am i understanding what you are saying?

[InkaUtexas 25986]

22 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Stalin tried that. Need to murder a whole lot of believers. That can be problematic 

 

This is fine until some settlers terrorize their Palestinian neighbors. Or someone detonates their suicide vest amongst a group of Jewish people

It will happen. The key is to 1- reduce the events and 2- moderate backlash.

 

[Sawbonz 27578]

10 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I just want to understand: you are stating that there is no conceivable universe where atheists run the world without religious cleansing? Am i understanding what you are saying?

There probably is a universe somewhere where that could happen. Walk me through how it could happen here

[YGIFS 19452]

5 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

The problem is you have a not insubstantial number of loons on both sides (!) who truly believe YHWH/Allah gave their people that patch of dirt, and a substantial number on both sides who exploit and encourage those loons in order to advance their own interests. Then you have “Christian” loons who are rooting for war because that means Jesus is coming back

How do you fix that?

The three major monotheistic religions actually started very far apart, chronologically.  The challenge, as this above post alludes to, is not timing nor even really doctrine.  It's geography.  For thousands of years, they were still fairly confined and knew only a corner of the Earth.  They thought that this was all there was and had to fight over it, and still do.  They were some of the earliest theologians and cartographers.  Trouble is, they fucking sucked at it.  And we're still suffering from it today.  

[UpperWestside 6169]

On 4/19/2024 at 9:39 PM, Anastasis said:

UW, I know that you are a sincere poster coming from a good place at heart. This above is wrong headed though. With sincerity, I would like to suggest a couple books that I think you might enjoy and would find some interesting perspective. I'd be happy to send you either one or both. 

https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Brothers-Dramatic-Palestinian-Christian/dp/154090217X

https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Mountain-Journey-Christians-Middle/dp/0307948897

 

 

I look at history as an almost never ending struggle of humans to subdue other humans not included in their group. That phenomenon plays out all across the world. This one just has more documentation than others. I believe that it was George Carlin that commented on liking individual encounters with people as fun, but once people get in groups is where things inevitably go sideways. Both of these sides had control at various points in history and both were also subjected to foreign rule by more than one empire. Again humans gonna human at the expense of the less powerful. In this case the Palestinians get slaughtered because they do not have the weaponry or organized army ravaging them. It’s why I want them sent to the US to live and flourish. As long as Israel is allowed to murder the population they have no chance to have a normal existence. I’d also add that since the Israeli Jews overwhelmingly want them removed that the onus should be entirely upon them financially to facilitate that move. We all know this won’t happen, but it’s better to think of better days for Palestinians than to see them continually suffer endless war.

I will attempt to read at least one of the two books, probably the first one. I read for at least an hour and a half a day so when I can work that book in I will do so because you can never know enough or ever stop learning more about the world you share with others.

[UpperWestside 6169]

5 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Then you have “Christian” loons who are rooting for war because that means Jesus is coming back

How do you fix that?

You cannot fix this. I think we as humans, especially westerners, think we can fix everything. Sometimes you just cannot fix things. I also loathe the “Christians” who think war there means Jesus is on the way back. I never think along those lines. It’s offensive to me to think Jesus sanctions this stuff and just can’t wait to fly in from the clouds in the middle of a war. Those “Christians” are people I steer real far away from. I hope for the best each day for people and that suffering would cease. You can only control what is in front of you. 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

What's your point you fucking idiot? Was there a coherent thought anywhere in that post?

[BrickHorn 18237]

11 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

What's your point you fucking idiot? Was there a coherent thought anywhere in that post?

New Surly motto?

[YGIFS 19452]

There's no Christians in the IDF?  Whuh?  There are hundreds of Muslims and Christians and Agnostics alike serving in the IDF.  Granted, it's a small percentage and they are not have the same compulsory service requirements as Jews, and it's a small percentage, but they absolutely serve in the IDF, support roles, defense contractors, administrative/transportation roles, etc.  

Spoiler alert, not everybody in the U.S. military is a Christian either.  Not everybody in the Taliban is from Islam.  Not every Russian soldier is Orthodox.  

Wars over religion still exist.  But they've always been a veiled proxy for what wars have always been truly about.  Resources.  

[Anastasis 23475]

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

You are offended and want to be away from Christians who are so frustrated and sorrowful about the tragedies and wars that are going on that they think (and hope) that maybe it's part of the prophesied return of their leader via their canonical text? 

There are literally no evangelicals or fundamentalists framing it in this way. If you can provide some examples of such, it will be the first that I have ever seen. But on the other hand, I have seen a lot of them talking about raising red heifers and collecting funds to rebuild the Temple, and framing the current conflict as part of their end times eschatology. 

[InkaUtexas 25986]

3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

  Not everybody in the Taliban is from Islam.

where I agree with most of your post, not this. I think it is sorta a precondition for enlistment. The very few Russians and others who joined them all converted.

[Anastasis 23475]

Moar lions. 

 

 

 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

There's no shot Chrispy doesn't look exactly like Mike Johnson

[Fastbreak 3988]

Would talking about this make me anti-sematic? Because I am anti-nazi too, and this is the same shit...

A mass grave with nearly 300 bodies has been uncovered at a hospital in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/22/middleeast/khan-younis-nasser-hospital-mass-grave-intl/index.html

Quote

 A mass grave with nearly 300 bodies has been uncovered at a hospital in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis, Gaza Civil Defense workers said Monday, following the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the area earlier this month.

Col. Yamen Abu Suleiman, Director of Civil Defense in Khan Younis told CNN Monday that “today, 73 bodies were recovered” in the courtyard at the Nasser Medical Complex which brought the “total number to 283.”

Suleiman alleged that some of the bodies had been found with hands and feet tied, “and there were signs of field executions. We do not know if they were buried alive or executed. Most of the bodies are decomposed.”

CNN is unable to verify Suleiman’s claims and cannot confirm the causes of death among the bodies being unearthed.

CNN has reached out to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for comment following the discovery of the mass grave including whether bodies that had been buried at the hospital had been disinterred for DNA tests, and whether they had been reburied. CNN has sent several questions to the IDF on Sunday and Monday.

Previously, a Khan Younis Civil Defense spokesman and head of the search mission, Raed Saqr, told CNN that they are searching for the bodies of another 400 missing people after the Israeli military left on April 7.

A CNN stringer who visited the scene Sunday said people had buried the bodies of family members who had been killed in the grounds of the hospital in January as a temporary measure. When they returned after the Israeli withdrawal they found the bodies had been exhumed – apparently because the IDF was using DNA testing to determine whether any of the hostages held in Gaza were among the dead.

The bodies were then placed in at least one collective grave, the stringer said.

One man at the scene told CNN that he was yet to find the body of his 21-year old son, who was killed in January.

“I haven’t found him yet. We had buried him over there. But we can’t find him. And we wanted to make him a decent grave.”

Another man, who said his brother Alaa was also killed in January, said: “I am here today looking for him. I have been coming here to the hospital for the last two weeks and trying to find him. Hopefully, I will be able to find him.”

Pointing to a fallen palm tree, the man said his brother had been temporarily buried in that spot.

“I had buried him there on the side, but I can’t find him. The Israelis have dug up the dead bodies, and switched them. They took DNA tests and misplaced all the dead bodies.”

The man’s mother said they had been searching for two weeks and had been unable to find his body.

Another woman told CNN she had spent 10 days searching for the body of her daughter, who had been killed and buried in the hospital grounds late in January after a nearby residential building had been struck.

Doctors forced to strip in cold at Gaza’s Nasser hospital, witness says, as IDF announces arrest of Hamas militants there
She said the Israelis “have dug out the dead bodies out and they switched them. She and her uncle’s wife were buried at the same hour.”

The mother added: “We have found the body of her uncle’s wife. But the rest we can’t find them.”

Saqr told CNN Sunday that Civil Defence personnel had been searching for bodies at the medical complex for three days so far and the operation was ongoing.

“We have information that there are 400 missing people, and we are continuing to search for the rest of the bodies.”

The IDF has said it has removed dozens of bodies from Gaza for DNA tests in Israel, before returning the remains in containers.

The area around the Nasser Medical Complex saw intense bombardment and combat in January and February. At the time, CNN reported on the burial of bodies in the hospital grounds because of a lack of safe access to cemeteries.

 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

They're not Americans like the WCK workers were so you won't hear a peep from most people about this.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

same story , some added detail .  IDF lies so much, the naive believe every bit of it. 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hundreds-bodies-unearthed-nasser-hospital-mass-graves?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ZGJTXIEm06bXwbHv-2Op6k1LesIKUFwEshq4BsKDqMJ4OOB-DCez5ls0_aem_AeKkpps3C_tI6YsAvQb_yxy8KZd9ul6u5mukYKaEmiaiKHE1SRl2EjQ0lDJjPZ163aT42agLswsP-eGvbwlY0bti

 

The searches were initiated after survivors said they witnessed the summary execution of Palestinians by Israeli forces during the raid. 

Israeli military officials said that its forces had killed 200 people and arrested 900 during the 15-day assault on the hospital. Gaza's civil defence said that around 300 people had been killed. 

The army said it conducted its raid without harming civilians and medical personnel. Medical organisations and eyewitnesses strongly rejected that claim. 

Ahmad al-Maqadmeh, a Palestinian plastic surgeon, and his mother, Yusra al-Maqadmeh, a general practitioner, were among those killed. 

[chainsaw 9870]

18 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Would talking about this make me anti-sematic? Because I am anti-nazi too, and this is the same shit...

A mass grave with nearly 300 bodies has been uncovered at a hospital in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/22/middleeast/khan-younis-nasser-hospital-mass-grave-intl/index.html

 

"I'm sure those mass graves are just a coincidence." - John Fetterman

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

troubles in paradise 

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/palestine-israel-gaza-rally-college-university-texas-campus

AUSTIN, Texas - Hundreds of students walked out of class at the University of Texas today to rally for Palestine and attempt to occupy the South Lawn on campus.

The students are marching on campus now.

 

 

Hundreds of Texas state troopers are also at the scene.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

oh no, hundreds?

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

hey hey ho ho !

 

[tx 3 putt 77060]

32 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

troubles in paradise 

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/palestine-israel-gaza-rally-college-university-texas-campus

AUSTIN, Texas - Hundreds of students walked out of class at the University of Texas today to rally for Palestine and attempt to occupy the South Lawn on campus.

The students are marching on campus now.

 

 

Hundreds of Texas state troopers are also at the scene.

UT - Abbott has already issued a warning, the hammer will be dropped on any UT protesters 

[Brisketexan 105154]

6 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

hey hey ho ho !

 

That "show of force" is so breathtakingly stupid....and it's exactly what I'd expect from this ultra-shitty state.  It is INTENDED to create conflict.  It is INTENDED to intimidate and cause chaos in what - by all appearances thus far - is a peaceful, constitutionally protected protest.

I don't care if you agree or disagree with a student walkout protest.  Or whether it's for something important or trivial.  They could be protesting the removal of blueberry pop-tarts from the Union vending machines, IDGAF.  They get to protest, they get to march and chant.  They get to make demands of the administration.  For those fuckers who so claim to LOVE the constitution.....they sure missed the part where it says right up fucking front that the law shall not infringe on the right of the people to peaceably assemble.

The right move is to have a limited law enforcement presence to keep an eye on things, and intervene if an incident or two breaks out, perhaps with some forces in reserve in case things go to shit.  But showing up and marching on a line of war horses to look like Billy Badass is some serious small-dick energy from our State, but "small-dick energy" is on track to become our largest energy supply in this state, so why the fuck not?

A competent government lets the students march and protest without the State acting out "Kid's first Fascist Playset" fantasies.  And a decent protest does it's thing and makes its point.  As a citizen, I hold both sides to an appropriate standard.  So far, the only side that looks assholish is the State.  For no reason at all, other than us being led by pathetic fascist cosplayers.  Well-done.

[Brisketexan 105154]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

UT - Abbott has already issued a warning, the hammer will be dropped on any UT protesters 

And I hope that the ACLU is fucking ready to bring the hammer of the 1st amendment against our pathetic simp of a governor if he infringes on the protesters' constitutional rights.

Feel free to arrest anyone breaking the actual law.  But if the government starts fucking fights and/or arrests people for exercising their constitutional rights, swing the hammer right back on their asses.

[Trey3216 15347]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That "show of force" is so breathtakingly stupid....and it's exactly what I'd expect from this ultra-shitty state.  It is INTENDED to create conflict.  It is INTENDED to intimidate and cause chaos in what - by all appearances thus far - is a peaceful, constitutionally protected protest.

I don't care if you agree or disagree with a student walkout protest.  Or whether it's for something important or trivial.  They could be protesting the removal of blueberry pop-tarts from the Union vending machines, IDGAF.  They get to protest, they get to march and chant.  They get to make demands of the administration.  For those fuckers who so claim to LOVE the constitution.....they sure missed the part where it says right up fucking front that the law shall not infringe on the right of the people to peaceably assemble.

The right move is to have a limited law enforcement presence to keep an eye on things, and intervene if an incident or two breaks out, perhaps with some forces in reserve in case things go to shit.  But showing up and marching on a line of war horses to look like Billy Badass is some serious small-dick energy from our State, but "small-dick energy" is on track to become our largest energy supply in this state, so why the fuck not?

A competent government lets the students march and protest without the State acting out "Kid's first Fascist Playset" fantasies.  And a decent protest does it's thing and makes its point.  As a citizen, I hold both sides to an appropriate standard.  So far, the only side that looks assholish is the State.  For no reason at all, other than us being led by pathetic fascist cosplayers.  Well-done.

A competent government has also seen what has transpired on other campuses where actual malice has taken place, and more than likely didn't want shit to get out of hand and not be able to control it.   Look at things without the lens sometimes 

 

EDIT....In no way do I want people's freedom of assembly to be violated, but for fuck's sake, these protests have gotten out of control on dozens of campuses already.  

Edited April 24 by Trey3216

[BrickHorn 18237]

5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

UT - Abbott has already issued a warning, the hammer will be dropped on any UT protesters 

Fuck that rollerfascist. 

[tx 3 putt 77060]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

Fuck that rollerfascist.