Israel

[Anastasis 23475]

Hartzell should resign. Either in protest or in disgrace, I care not which. 

[chainsaw 9870]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Hartzell should resign. Either in protest or in disgrace, I care not which. 

I'm not here yet, but only because I'm waiting for more facts to come out. I'm about 80% there, though.

[YGIFS 19452]

Remind me what authority a college administrator has over the State Police?  

There's somebody that should resign, but you guys are barking up the wrong tree and defending the wrong piece of shit.  

[Captainant 27680]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

I'm not here yet, but only because I'm waiting for more facts to come out. I'm about 80% there, though.

Much like trump on Jan 6, his growing silence through the day is making things worse and worse. 

[A-Tex Devil 2451]

7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Hartzell should resign. Either in protest or in disgrace, I care not which. 

Better yet, join the faculty tomorrow. 

[Sawbonz 27578]

14 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, he's in a shit spot I do not envy.  I feel like that "Jesus Johnny" meme of like "I know we were trying culturally assimilate into the SEC, but Jesus, Jay!"  

My intimate UT bias aside, this one is gonna sting for awhile.  It does seem from some initial backchannels that telegraphed this from up on high and left Jay and J.B. holding their dicks until the last minute.  

This makes Gene Powell & Alex Cranberg look like progressive visionaries by comparison 

 

Fuck him. His actions or omissions put my daughter in harm’s way today. She was in class in the six pack while that shit was happening

Edited April 25 by Sawbonz

[Chuckie Finster 22701]

[Shut up Lou Holtz 2044]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Fuck him. His actions or omissions put my daughter in harm’s way today. She was in class in the six pack while that shit was happening

As a father of a daughter, I’m with you. Fuck him for putting students at risk. 
 

I hope she is ok 

[mchookem 16336]

2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

wow. damn.

[chainsaw 9870]

Ever since the Lege has begun micromanaging the state schools, it looks a hell of a lot like the hamfisted imposition of antiwoke ideology is doing to UT the exact same thing that it has been doing to Twitter since Elon started micromanaging it.

[1978horn 893]

Dear UT community,
This has been a challenging day for many. We have witnessed much activity we normally do not experience on our campus, and there is understandably a lot of emotion surrounding these events.

Today, our University held firm, enforcing our rules while protecting the Constitutional right to free speech. Peaceful protests within our rules are acceptable. Breaking our rules and policies and disrupting others’ ability to learn are not allowed. The group that led this protest stated it was going to violate Institutional Rules. Our rules matter, and they will be enforced. Our University will not be occupied.

The protesters tried to deliver on their stated intent to occupy campus. People not affiliated with UT joined them, and many ignored University officials’ continual pleas for restraint and to immediately disperse. The University did as we said we would do in the face of prohibited actions. We were prepared, with the necessary support to maintain campus operations and ensure the safety, well-being and learning environment for our more than 50,000 students.

We are grateful for the countless staff members and state and University law enforcement officers, as well as support personnel who exercised extraordinary restraint in the face of a difficult situation that is playing out at universities across the country. There is a way to exercise freedom of speech and civil discourse, and our Office of the Dean of Students has continued to offer ways to ensure protests can happen within the rules. The University of Texas will continue to take necessary steps so that all our University functions proceed without interruption.

Sincerely yours,

Jay Hartzell
President

[Bullneck 19174]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Oh, so the protesters' plan wasn't to disrupt class or whatever bullshit excuse they used to start arresting students? The DPS riot police were there to keep them away from the capitol so as not to embarrass our weak-kneed, spineless governor.

ISWYDT

[BrickHorn 18237]

That message from Hartzell is fascist horseshit.

[YGIFS 19452]

Think about the one law enforcement agency and the one elected official in charge of them and his higher ed appointees who tacitly signed off on the real affront to the peaceful protest.  Through that lens, it reads like the grainy hostage video of man with a sword to his head.  UTPD gets sent out to shit like this all the time.  But notice, he didn't say a fucking word about DPS, Abbott, or the Board of Regents.  He talks more about the Dean of Students than he does the state troopers that beat kids to the ground.  This is all on Abbott and his puppet masters

[BrickHorn 18237]

Just now, YGIFS said:

Think about the one law enforcement agency and the one elected official in charge of them and his higher ed appointees who tacitly signed off on the real affront to the peaceful protest.  Through that lens, it reads like the grainy hostage video of man with a sword to his head.  UTPD gets sent out to shit like this all the time.  But notice, he didn't say a fucking word about DPS, Abbott, or the Board of Regents.  He talks more about the Dean of Students than he does the state troopers that beat kids to the ground.  This is all on Abbott and his puppet masters

Or Hartzell could grow a pair and speak up in defense of his students. 

[YGIFS 19452]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

Or Hartzell could grow a pair and speak up in defense of his students. 

Yes, he could.  And loves the students.  But every time in the next few weeks, somebody demands his resignation...it just deflects from the fact that this was 99% the doing of Abbott, Eltite, and Longoria.  Jay will just end up being the fall guy to make the true assholes in power remain shielded.  Jay can do better, but he's being setup to take the hit for this even though it was telegraphed from way up on high.  He's a man of integrity, he'll own this one way or the other.  My larger worry is he won't give up the goods on the folks up the food-chain that fucked him and our school on this. 

[Shut up Lou Holtz 2044]

Let me get this straight. His goal was to “ensure the safety and well being” of the students by having them get their ass whipped by a bunch of pussy cops? What the fuck 

[Captainant 27680]

23 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Much like trump on Jan 6, his growing silence through the day is making things worse and worse. 

Update: I take it back. His words are worse than his silence

[mdmost 43004]

I'm sure the Rex Kramers of the world will now donate more to UT. Thanks Jay. 

[Brisketexan 105158]

Or Hartzell could grow a pair and speak up in defense of his students. 

He can’t win.
But he can die in a blaze of glory doing the right thing.
Sadly, there are zero men of such courage left. Hartzell is a coward. Like all the rest of the people we’ve placed our trust in. He just showed that he has the same courage and sense of self-sacrifice as a DPS trooper at a Uvalde school. He’s a nothing. A nobody. Another quivering bowl of pathetic, cowardly jello. Throw him in the pile with the rest of em.

[Captainant 27680]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

He's a man of integrity

 

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

My larger worry is he won't give up the goods on the folks up the food-chain that fucked him and our school on this. 

These two statements are incongruous. 

[BrickHorn 18237]

Just now, YGIFS said:

My larger worry is he won't give up the goods on the folks up the food-chain that fucked him and our school on this. 

Thats what I’m saying. You’re fucked either way, Jay. Why not grow a pair and stand up for what’s right, rather than carry water for authoritarian shitbags?

[tx 3 putt 77084]

 

[Anastasis 23475]

OK, so he is taking the disgrace route.

12 minutes ago, 1978horn said:

Dear UT community,
This has been a challenging day for many. We have witnessed much activity we normally do not experience on our campus, and there is understandably a lot of emotion surrounding these events.

Today, our University held firm, enforcing our rules while protecting the Constitutional right to free speech. Peaceful protests within our rules are acceptable. Breaking our rules and policies and disrupting others’ ability to learn are not allowed. The group that led this protest stated it was going to violate Institutional Rules. Our rules matter, and they will be enforced. Our University will not be occupied.

The protesters tried to deliver on their stated intent to occupy campus. People not affiliated with UT joined them, and many ignored University officials’ continual pleas for restraint and to immediately disperse. The University did as we said we would do in the face of prohibited actions. We were prepared, with the necessary support to maintain campus operations and ensure the safety, well-being and learning environment for our more than 50,000 students.

We are grateful for the countless staff members and state and University law enforcement officers, as well as support personnel who exercised extraordinary restraint in the face of a difficult situation that is playing out at universities across the country. There is a way to exercise freedom of speech and civil discourse, and our Office of the Dean of Students has continued to offer ways to ensure protests can happen within the rules. The University of Texas will continue to take necessary steps so that all our University functions proceed without interruption.

Sincerely yours,

Jay Hartzell
President

 

What a fucking bitch ass motherfucker. 

[Chuckie Finster 22701]

Dear UT community,
This has been a challenging day for many. We have witnessed much activity we normally do not experience on our campus, and there is understandably a lot of emotion surrounding these events.

Today, our University held firm, enforcing our rules while protecting the Constitutional right to free speech. Peaceful protests within our rules are acceptable. Breaking our rules and policies and disrupting others’ ability to learn are not allowed. The group that led this protest stated it was going to violate Institutional Rules. Our rules matter, and they will be enforced. Our University will not be occupied.

The protesters tried to deliver on their stated intent to occupy campus. People not affiliated with UT joined them, and many ignored University officials’ continual pleas for restraint and to immediately disperse. The University did as we said we would do in the face of prohibited actions. We were prepared, with the necessary support to maintain campus operations and ensure the safety, well-being and learning environment for our more than 50,000 students.

We are grateful for the countless staff members and state and University law enforcement officers, as well as support personnel who exercised extraordinary restraint in the face of a difficult situation that is playing out at universities across the country. There is a way to exercise freedom of speech and civil discourse, and our Office of the Dean of Students has continued to offer ways to ensure protests can happen within the rules. The University of Texas will continue to take necessary steps so that all our University functions proceed without interruption.

Sincerely yours,

Jay Hartzell
President

Jay Hartzell is about to become a main character nationally.

[1978horn 893]

So who ordered the dean of students message yesterday if Hartzell didn’t have anything to do with this?

If he is just being told what to do and doesn’t agree with it then burn the house down.

[Shut up Lou Holtz 2044]

13 minutes ago, 1978horn said:

Dear UT community,
This has been a challenging day for many. We have witnessed much activity we normally do not experience on our campus, and there is understandably a lot of emotion surrounding these events.

Today, our University held firm, enforcing our rules while protecting the Constitutional right to free speech. Peaceful protests within our rules are acceptable. Breaking our rules and policies and disrupting others’ ability to learn are not allowed. The group that led this protest stated it was going to violate Institutional Rules. Our rules matter, and they will be enforced. Our University will not be occupied.

The protesters tried to deliver on their stated intent to occupy campus. People not affiliated with UT joined them, and many ignored University officials’ continual pleas for restraint and to immediately disperse. The University did as we said we would do in the face of prohibited actions. We were prepared, with the necessary support to maintain campus operations and ensure the safety, well-being and learning environment for our more than 50,000 students.

We are grateful for the countless staff members and state and University law enforcement officers, as well as support personnel who exercised extraordinary restraint in the face of a difficult situation that is playing out at universities across the country. There is a way to exercise freedom of speech and civil discourse, and our Office of the Dean of Students has continued to offer ways to ensure protests can happen within the rules. The University of Texas will continue to take necessary steps so that all our University functions proceed without interruption.

Sincerely yours,

Jay Hartzell
President

 

[bolverk 29690]

I've quit a good job in protest over bullshit for far fucking less than this. Cowardice is complicity.

[Nivek 16945]

31 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, he's in a shit spot I do not envy.  I feel like that "Jesus Johnny" meme of like "I know we were trying culturally assimilate into the SEC, but Jesus, Jay!"  

My intimate UT bias aside, this one is gonna sting for awhile.  It does seem from some initial backchannels that telegraphed this from up on high and left Jay and J.B. holding their dicks until the last minute.  

This makes Gene Powell & Alex Cranberg look like progressive visionaries by comparison 

 

Bullshit.  This is an excellent opportunity to stand up for The University, the First Amendment, and push back against the abuses of the state and further expose the cowardice within our law enforcement and how they serve a political end.   

[YGIFS 19452]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

 

These two statements are incongruous. 

Yeah, I realize that now that I typed it.  I'm just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He didn't handle this well, but it truly fell into his lap at the last minute, and he's trying to play janitor.  

This is Abbott, Longoria, and Eltife.  Down the line, up and sideways.  And Jay has to be the guy left holding the bag of shit even though he would have maintained a great UT administration.  And people will line up to suck Abbott's dick over this and spit on Jay as he walks out the tower with his personal effects in a cardboard box.  Because we're Texas.  And there is almost nothing we can't fuck up in the name of "Independence!" 

[BrickHorn 18237]

4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

This is Abbott, Longoria, and Eltife.

And how did those three catch wind of the plans of a UT student organization?

Edited April 25 by BrickHorn

[mdmost 43004]

As Bob Dylan said "you're gonna have to serve somebody". We know who Jay serves. It's certainly not the students who he helped unleash the chicken shit DPS on. 

Edited April 25 by mdmost

[6th Street 6420]

Sad day. Jay Hartzell is a pussy ass gimp

[HenryJames 66127]

28 minutes ago, Shut up Lou Holtz said:

I hope she is ok 

The only way to be sure is to see pics.

[YGIFS 19452]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

And how did those cocksuckers catch wind of the plans of a UT student organization?

Same way several dozen DPS troopers in riot gear happened upon the site within minutes.  Even given the geographic proximity, a deployment like that without an advanced briefing doesn't "just happen."  This was set to occur last night/early this morning.  For performative purposes 

[BrickHorn 18237]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

Same way several dozen DPS troopers in riot gear happened upon the site within minutes.  Even given the geographic proximity, a deployment like that without an advanced briefing doesn't "just happen."  This was set to occur last night/early this morning.  For performative purposes 

You’re not answering the question. Someone at UT had to tell those fucksticks what was about to happen. Abbott didn’t divine it himself. 

Edited April 25 by BrickHorn

[SubliminalHorn 6806]

Fuck abbot. Fuck hartzell. Fuck the dps. Fuck fascists 

[Brisketexan 105158]

Yeah, I realize that now that I typed it.  I'm just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He didn't handle this well, but it truly fell into his lap at the last minute, and he's trying to play janitor.  
This is Abbott, Longoria, and Eltife.  Down the line, up and sideways.  And Jay has to be the guy left holding the bag of shit even though he would have maintained a great UT administration.  And people will line up to suck Abbott's dick over this and spit on Jay as he walks out the tower with his personal effects in a cardboard box.  Because we're Texas.  And there is almost nothing we can't fuck up in the name of "Independence!" 

Or…he could stand his ground, and fight for the people of Texas. Even though the odds are against him, he is outnumbered, and he is sure to fall. Because Texans know that by taking a public stand for what is right, knowing you will fall…is exactly how you win.

No chance of that happening, though. We are a state of unprincipled cowards now. It’s our brand.

[Satchel 6938]

15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Well, it’s clear he doesn’t want to be dragged before house full of red neck congresspersons.

 

[bolverk 29690]

This account from someone on r/UTAustin lines up with everything we've seen in the videos: https://www.reddit.com/r/UTAustin/comments/1ccgfhi/what_happened_at_ut_austin_today_in_detail/

Quote

 

Here are the facts:

• Protests of nearly equal or even larger size have occurred with a small UTPD presence and resulted in 0 arrests or disruptions (such as one on Nov. 9)
• State Troopers showed up at 11:40 in riot gear when the protests hadn’t even began, so they couldn’t have been responding to violence.
• State Troopers let people march for an hour on speedway and randomly declared the march illegal at 12:40 for blocking a roadway. They ordered people to disperse but also blocked people from leaving.
• When people then moved to south mall to not block speedway, they then declared all of south mall illegal to be on. They pushed the crowd onto sidewalks and created a danger of students being trampled
• Students got an email from UT Austin that declared anyone in the south mall area to be a rioter at 5:18pm
• After fencing the normally publicly available south mall off, police jumped over their own fences to arrest random people not on the mall, but on the sidewalks. They arrested compliant students, a Fox News journalist, an elderly protestor, and shoved around many professors.
• Troopers then declared the entire sidewalk off limits, and pushed the students from the sidewalk onto a street, blocking it off with a line of bike cops and horse police.
• For the first time in the day people students were actually obstructed, but not by protestors: UT staff and cops banned anyone from south mall, it’s sidewalks, and blocked a street off next to it with bike cops. If they tried to get to class using any of these routes, a cop (not a protestor) might slam them.
• The state troopers and APD randomly left around 7pm. (I have no idea why they would turn their backs on “violent rioters” without being attacked, calmly walk away, and let the "violent rioters" go back to a campus)
• Protestors returned to the south mall after 7pm. They did the same thing they would’ve done if the police never showed up: sat on the mall chanting while people freely walked by.

Why did all of this happen? This was an unconditional political stunt by Greg Abbott. He sent the troopers in advance to disrupt any pro-Palestine events on campus, even if legal & peaceful.

They didn’t just wait until violence occurred before sending riot police. Because they knew violence likely wouldn’t break out and therefore they wouldn’t have a reason to arrive.

They didn’t simply order police to arrest violent individuals, because there wouldn’t be any, and they wouldn’t be able to disrupt the event. This is why they declared an entire area illegal.

This was a pre-planned attempt by UT Officials and Abbott to silence people peacefully protesting. Abbott said it himself on Twitter; he believed UT students belong behind metal bars not because they hurt anyone, but he dislikes what they think. Abbott did this to score points with his party and donors.

Shame on UT officials for going along with this anti-constitutional political stunt and getting students heads slammed on concrete, people’s futures jeopardized, and professors shoved around by cops so Abbott could get some favorable headlines.

 

 

[hookem2010 2624]

I'm just glad all those students didn't have their classes disrupted thanks to the efficient, quiet, subtle actions of law enforcement in dispersing the protesters. I'm sure campus will return to its former serenity as finals approach. Imagine the chaos had the protest been allowed to ensue!

[YGIFS 19452]

5 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

You’re not answering the question. Someone at UT had to tell those fucksticks what was about to happen. Abbott didn’t divine it himself. 

I don't know yet.  But you're right.  Something had to tip them off so they make their theatrical entry.  I'll ask around tomorrow.  But i think reasonable people can agree this was not done as some last-minute emergency call.  There would have been video or reports of hundreds of state troopers moving onto the campus in a rush.  Speedway is not a place anymore you can just quickly deploy a dozen troop carriers and squad cars in a few minutes.  This was telegraphed.  Politics and Lobo bullshit aside, just think of the logistics of how go get that many Troopers, stretched as thing as they are across the state to one single block of UT's campus within minutes, riot geared out, with single purpose and set of pre-established rules of engagement.  It's impossble, it cannot happen.  

[royiv 9326]

I’m not buying that the President of the university was clueless about riot police from the state being sent in. Reading his statement reinforces to me that he knew ahead of time. This was clearly coordinated with UTPD and APD. I don’t believe for a second that DPS picked up the phone and called the chief of police at UT and said “off the record, on the QT and real hush hush we’re going to send in a bunch guys in riot gear tomorrow make sure you don’t tell anyone in administration.” The fact that the official statement is one of pure bootlicking is the icing on the cake. If he truly didn’t know, he could have said something to the effect that he’s sorry that things got escalated, yada, yada. He barely stopped short of calling DPS heroes and throwing up T&Ps for the guy that got bumped into by a journalist doing his job.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

Persians are not Semitic.

Sorry if I lumped your defeated angry ass into it. 

 

 

 

Se·mit·ic

adjective

1. 1. 

   relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

    
2. 2. 

   relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.

[Nivek 16945]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Or…he could stand his ground, and fight for the people of Texas. Even though the odds are against him, he is outnumbered, and he is sure to fall. Because Texans know that by taking a public stand for what is right, knowing you will fall…is exactly how you win.

No chance of that happening, though. We are a state of unprincipled cowards now. It’s our brand.

Today's Texicans would not only surrender the Alamo, they would join Santa Anna

[YGIFS 19452]

2 minutes ago, royiv said:

I’m not buying that the President of the university was clueless about riot police from the state being sent in. Reading his statement reinforces to me that he knew ahead of time. This was clearly coordinated with UTPD and APD. I don’t believe for a second that DPS picked up the phone and called the chief of police at UT and said “off the record, on the QT and real hush hush we’re going to send in a bunch guys in riot gear tomorrow make sure you don’t tell anyone in administration.” The fact that the official statement is one of pure bootlicking is the icing on the cake. If he truly didn’t know, he could have said something to the effect that he’s sorry that things got escalated, yada, yada. He barely stopped short of calling DPS heroes and throwing up T&Ps for the guy that got bumped into by a journalist doing his job.

Fair.  I think to your point, he must have had some inclination but not much of an idea of the scale of response.  Much will be fleshed out in the coming months but it seems like, for now, Abbott ordered it and let a few Regents in on the double-secret plan.  They dangled just enough to Jay and UTPD to make it go as "non-violently" as possible.  But I read Jay's statement as a hostage with a gun to his head just off-camera.  But to your point and others, he is absolutely gonna have to take the fall for this and may not walk away with job in tact.  The sucking off of Abbott and DPS makes this even worse considering their Uvalde & Border failures in the last two years.  Anyway, maybe Jay is more complicit than I'm willing to admit.  But I assure everyone, Eltife and Longoria were the operators in all of this.  

[mdmost 43004]

42 minutes ago, 1978horn said:

Today, our University held firm, enforcing our rules while protecting the Constitutional right to free speech. Peaceful protests within our rules are acceptable. Breaking our rules and policies and disrupting others’ ability to learn are not allowed. The group that led this protest stated it was going to violate Institutional Rules. Our rules matter, and they will be enforced. Our University will not be occupied.

The protesters tried to deliver on their stated intent to occupy campus. People not affiliated with UT joined them, and many ignored University officials’ continual pleas for restraint and to immediately disperse.

I want to see the proof of all of this because I doubt there was any. 

[locodos 5387]

Edited April 25 by locodos

[royiv 9326]

4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Fair.  I think to your point, he must have had some inclination but not much of an idea of the scale of response.  Much will be fleshed out in the coming months but it seems like, for now, Abbott ordered it and let a few Regents in on the double-secret plan.  They dangled just enough to Jay and UTPD to make it go as "non-violently" as possible.  But I read Jay's statement as a hostage with a gun to his head just off-camera.  But to your point and others, he is absolutely gonna have to take the fall for this and may not walk away with job in tact.  The sucking off of Abbott and DPS makes this even worse considering their Uvalde & Border failures in the last two years.  Anyway, maybe Jay is more complicit than I'm willing to admit.  But I assure everyone, Eltife and Longoria were the operators in all of this.  

His job is to keep the students, faculty and staff safe from harm. Today, all three were put into an elevated risk due to a militarized response to a peaceful response. The proactive response of coming in hot was meant to escalate the risk of violence, not decrease it. I give the protesters credit for not taking the bait. So, Hartzell knew and put thousands at risk or Hartzell didn’t know and didn’t condemn it. I don’t think either of those is a good look for the president of the state’s flagship university.

[YGIFS 19452]

Yeah, it's a shitty look and mishandled all the way around.  The more photos I'm looking at now seem like they purposely paused in front of signage as some kinda "fuck you" to the world.  

the 'coming in hot' thing is the most puzzling.  There's not much footage, if any, of them arriving on campus.  The Speedway pylons only dropped for a handful of vehicles, not enough for that many troopers to just "happen upon the scene."  I don't want to get all Qanon (too late, I know), but it appears at first glance that they were already in/around the pedestrian concourse before the protest got remotely 'heated' and then proceeded to escalate it, as you point out.  I am fairly confident in what some Regents' roles were in this.  And we know where Abbott's motivations lie.  I'm curious about what UTPD knew or didn't know, that's a head scratcher quite honestly.  I'm sure some worthless commission will be appointed over the summer to get to the bottom of this.  But I'm just looking at the timeline and the lack of footage of some massive troop transport arriving on campus all of the sudden and how nobody seemed to know anything about it until it was all underway.