Israel

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

the Rafah invasion plan is set.  Hamas knows they are dead men walking.

1. evacuate all 1.5 million Rafah slightly north

2. filter the evacuees by men of fighting age, keep them in barbed wire areas, to find the Hamas fighters.

3. once the women, kids and elderly have been removed, move in for the kill. 

4. blow the living hell out of Rafah, few buildings will survive.

5. Bodies of thousands of Hamas will litter the streets for weeks. 

- the most prized dead person will not be the leader Sinwar, but Hamas # 1 commander Mohammad Deif who IDF has tried to kill for several years with 5-6 failed attempts (one of which killed his wife / kids). 

It's going to be massive within the next 7 days. 

[David Dennison 18874]

And Israel wonders why it's losing.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

29 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And Israel wonders why it's losing.

sadly there is a huge chunk of the population who loves them -- white nationalists, religious crazies, every Republican (almost), Jews.  

Don't forget, you ain't a real Southerner if you don't love Israel , Jesus, and Toby Keith. 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

This is going to go well I'm sure.

[HRSchenker 2268]

3 hours ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

sadly there is a huge chunk of the population who loves them -- white nationalists, religious crazies, every Republican (almost), Jews.  

Don't forget, you ain't a real Southerner if you don't love Israel , Jesus, and Toby Keith. 

Please tell me you're joking.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

9 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Please tell me you're joking.

ultra white supremacists, which are a tiny percentage of the population are distinct from white nationalists which are much more mainstream (MAGA for example).  This distinction is often confused but is critical.  

mainstream white nationalists LOVE Israel , part of the judeo-christian western identity. It's "us" vs "them" (Muslims/Arabs) who are threat to "us". 

Mainstream white nationalists , along with mixing Christianity with Israel (ie Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Televangelists) will also mix American Patriotism with Israel, meaning an attack on Israel = an attack on America! We are one and the same, joined at the hip. 

from a christian website. American patriotism, Jesus, and Israel are the same thing.  A big chunk of America believes this and will fight forever on this topic. 

https://www.christianbook.com/usa-israel-flags-lapel-pin/pd/883701

 

Edited May 1 by Make em eat Taco Bell

[Anastasis 23474]

5 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Israel's Far-right Minister Smotrich Calls for 'No Half Measures' in the 'Total Annihilation' of Gaza - Israel News - Haaretz.com

Israel's Far-right Minister Smotrich Calls for 'No Half Measures' in the 'Total Annihilation' of Gaza

Speaking at an end of Passover event, Israel's finance minister Bezalel Smotrich also said the current talks with Hamas are 'with someone who long ago should have ceased to exist'

 

Noa Shpigel

 

Apr 30, 2024 6:07 pm IDT

 

Finance Minister and member of the security cabinet Bezalel Smotrich called on Monday for annihilating Israel's enemies, saying "There are no half measures. [The Gazan cities of] Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat – total annihilation. 'You will blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven' – there's no place under heaven."

 

Still waiting for @Bozo_Casanova to regale me again about the the rules based order and decency. 

[Captainant 27678]

On 4/26/2024 at 8:12 AM, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

meanwhile Google fires everybody

https://apnews.com/article/google-israel-protest-workers-gaza-palestinians-96d2871f1340cb84c953118b7ef88b3f

Google fired at least 20 more workers in the aftermath of protests over technology the company is supplying the Israeli government amid the Gaza war, bringing the total number of terminated staff to more than 50, a group representing the workers said.

It’s the latest sign of internal turmoil at the tech giant centered on “Project Nimbus,” a $1.2 billion contract signed in 2021 for Google and Amazon to provide the Israeli government with cloud computing and artificial intelligence services.

Workers held sit-in protests last week at Google offices in New York and Sunnyvale, California. The company responded by calling the police, who made arrests.

The group organizing the protests, No Tech For Apartheid, said the company fired 30 workers last week — higher than the initial 28 they had announced.

Then, on Tuesday night, Google fired “over 20” more staffers, “including non-participating bystanders during last week’s protests,” said Jane Chung, a spokeswoman for No Tech For Apartheid, without providing a more specific number.

“Google’s aims are clear: the corporation is attempting to quash dissent, silence its workers, and reassert its power over them,” Chung said in a press release. “In its attempts to do so, Google has decided to unceremoniously, and without due process, upend the livelihoods of over 50 of its own workers.”

So it turns out they may have painted with an overly broad brush

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/30/24145680/google-workers-fired-project-nimbus-protest-nlrb-complaint

[Thatguy 8704]

On 4/26/2024 at 9:51 AM, BeardIP said:

It's not right. And I don't think they have the right.

But it's what they do.

And everyone, in 2024, knows it. The reputation for cops as thugs, bullies, etc. with little to no accountability. It is known.

 

 Funny that you think that woman knew what she saw the police doing on tv to people of color in those poor areas over there would ever apply to her, and not that every interaction she's ever had with police officers up to that point has been positive, and if she could just step in and reason with the officer he would just.....

[Bozo_Casanova 26472]

8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Still waiting for @Bozo_Casanova to regale me again about the the rules based order and decency. 

You wanted it burnt down and it has been set alight. Here we are.

Edited May 1 by Bozo_Casanova

[HenryJames 66079]

8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Still waiting for @Bozo_Casanova to regale me again about the the rules based order and decency. 

 

[DDD Dad 14339]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

 

[Anastasis 23474]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You wanted it burnt down and it has been set alight. Here we are.

Trite and lazy bozo. Honestly a bit surprised you’ve lost your voice. But maybe I should not be. 

[Anastasis 23474]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

Sorry, take it to the climate thread. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26472]

It really is good

[RomaVicta 29909]

Perhaps it's just an ill-chosen picture, but does that look like a checkpoint to anyone? Looks like an ambush, but the press doesn't want to use any prejudicial language (or they're just stupid).

Driving to a doctor appointment yesterday, I listened to one of the NPR daytime programs, The World or Here and Now or Whatever. I don't return to this story often anymore because it's so frustrating and brutal. On the program they have changed the nomenclature to War on Gaza instead of the Gaza War.

Just can't get their timid lil' brains around the fact that this is a brutal invasion without regard for non-combatants' lives or famine among the population Israel has displaced. It's evidently common knowledge now that Netanyahu supported Hamas and is no more moral than Donald Trump.

There's your story. It's horrific. It's a scandal. Feelings about the Jewish people in general have nothing to do with it. 

Only the occasional panel member mentions it. Now back to the "war" in Gaza that was provoked by the unspeakably depraved attack on Israeli civilians on Oct. 7.

It's not a war.

The bloody depraved campaign in Gaza can no longer be even remotely justified by Oct. 7.

Israel has a wicked leader who is at the center of this brutal reality.

Start there. Give us the straight dope on an imperialist psychopath who only cares for retaining power and using brutal means to do so.

Oh, he was also in charge when the Oct. 7 attack occured and his regime ignored warnings and failed to defend their people.

Here in America, let's sic the police on anyone who joins a protest gathering opposed to the slaughter.

Idiot World.

Edited May 1 by RomaVicta

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Perhaps it's just an ill-chosen picture, but does that look like a checkpoint to anyone? Looks like an ambush, but the press doesn't want to use any prejudicial language (or they're just stupid).

Driving to a doctor appointment yesterday, I listened to one of the NPR daytime programs, The World or Here and Now or Whatever. I don't return to this story often anymore because it's so frustrating and brutal. On the program they have changed the nomenclature to War on Gaza instead of the Gaza War.

Just can't get their timid lil' brains around the fact that this is a brutal invasion without regard for non-combatants' lives or famine among the population Israel has displaced. It's evidently common knowledge now that Netanyahu supported Hamas and is no more moral than Donald Trump.

There's your story. It's horrific. It's a scandal. Feelings about the Jewish people in general have nothing to do with it. 

Only the occasional panel member mentions it. Now back to the "war" in Gaza that was provoked by the unspeakably depraved attack on Israeli civilians on Oct. 7.

It's not a war.

The bloody depraved campaign in Gaza can no longer be even remotely justified by Oct. 7.

Israel has a wicked leader who is at the center of this brutal reality.

Start there. Give us the straight dope on an imperialist psychopath who only cares for retaining power and using brutal means to do so.

Oh, he was also in charge when the Oct. 7 attack occured and his regime ignored warnings and failed to defend their people.

Here in America, let's sic the police on anyone who joins a protest gathering opposed to the slaughter.

Idiot World.

Not only that, but humanitarian crisis unfolding was entirely foreseen and disclosed months ago.

I know very little of the nuances in the region but could easily see what was going to happen even given the limited information that was spoon fed to me.

[bolverk 29683]

We really do treat the IDF with kid gloves.

Quote

 

US says Israeli army units violated human rights

The US state department has found five units of the Israeli military responsible for gross violations of human rights in individual incidents, but says they will continue to receive US military backing.

All the incidents involved took place outside of Gaza before the current war.

Israel took corrective action in four units, giving "additional information" on the fifth, the department says.

This means all the units remain eligible for US military assistance.

Washington is Israel's major military backer, supplying it with $3.8bn (£3bn) worth of weapons and defence systems per year.

The announcement is the first determination of its kind for any Israeli unit by the US government.

State Department spokesman Vedant Patel said five security forces units committed gross violations of human rights.

"Four of these units have effectively remediated these violations, which is what we expect partners to do," he said.

"For a remaining unit, we continue to be in consultations and engagements with the government of Israel; they have submitted additional information as it pertains to that unit," he added.

The department denies claims it backed down under political pressure by continuing military assistance to the unit despite being unable to say whether or not there had been any accountability in the case.

"We are engaging with them in a process, and we will make an ultimate decision when it comes to that unit when that process is complete," said Mr Patel.

All the incidents are believed to have taken place in the occupied West Bank and Jerusalem in recent years.

Under America's "Leahy Law", sponsored in 1997 by then-Senator Patrick Leahy, a finding that a foreign military unit committed gross violations of human rights means it can be cut from receiving US military assistance.

The US government says it considers torture, extrajudicial killing, enforced disappearance and rape as such types of violations when implementing the Leahy law.

Even when there is such a finding, there is an exception to cutting military assistance if the state department is satisfied the cases have been dealt with and justice pursued by the government involved.

It says Israel did do this - so-called remediation - in four of the five units. However, the department declined to give any details of the incidents, the remediation, the units involved or evidence to support whether the remediation was effective.

The US was reportedly on the brink of announcing it would cut military aid to the fifth unit, but says new information from Israel means it will make a decision later.

The unit involved is widely reported to be the Netzah Yehuda battalion, a special men-only unit set up in 1999 where ultra-Orthodox Jews serve. [MORE IN-DEPTH PROFILE IN THE NEXT POST]

Israel investigated the battalion over the death of 80-year-old Palestinian-American Omar Assad who died after being bound and gagged by soldiers during a West Bank village search in 2022.

At the time the US called for a "thorough criminal investigation and full accountability".

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) later said they regretted Mr Assad's death, and a commander would be "reprimanded" and two soldiers barred from senior positions for two years - but would not be prosecuted.

Asked about reports an IDF unit would be the first ever to face the US government designation under the Leahy Law, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on 19 April: "I made determinations. You can expect to see them in the days ahead."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to reject any sanctions on the country's military, saying he would "fight it with all my strength", while Defence Minister Yoav Gallant and war cabinet minister Benny Gantz spoke on the phone to Mr Blinken.

Pressed by the BBC on Monday over whether the state department had delayed or softened its position on withdrawing military assistance to the fifth unit, Mr Patel said officials would make a decision when their consultations with the Israeli government were complete.

 

 

[bolverk 29683]

Lies, Violence and Far-right Ideology: The ultra-Orthodox IDF Unit the U.S. Is Set to Sanction
The Netzah Yehuda Battalion has a long history of bad behavior, driven by an ideology imbibed from the settler movement

At around 9 P.M., a Palestinian family was driving down a road near the entrance to the settlement of Ofra in the West Bank. Soldiers ordered the driver to pull over.

"They pulled him out of the car and beat him like crazy," said a soldier from a different unit who witnessed the incident. "At some point there on the road, the driver started to shake, and they saw that he was passing out."

The soldiers in question were from the Netzah Yehuda Battalion. But this story isn't about Omar Abdalmajeed As'ad, the 78-year-old Palestinian who died last month after members of the battalion handcuffed him, gagged him and forced him to lie on his stomach in the cold.

The incident on the road took place in April 2022, and this time it didn't end in death. But it also didn't end in any punishments for the soldiers. It was just one more "operation" initiated by a battalion seemingly beyond the army's control - a battalion that the U.S. is planning to sanction due to its involvement in human rights violations in the West Bank, as reported by Haaretz on Saturday.

If the decision is implemented, it will be the first time that the U.S. government takes such a step towards a specific unit in the IDF.
 

Spoiler

But what is the Netzah Yehuda Battalion?

In recent years, Haaretz has investigated numerous incidents involving the battalion, previously known as Nahal Haredi – it includes a significant share of Haredi, or ultra-Orthodox, young men, as well as religious Zionist young men. The conclusion: The battalion has become a kind of an independent militia that doesn't obey the army's rules.

The April 2021 incident initially seemed to be fairly normal. The soldiers said they stopped the car because they feared that the driver would attempt a ramming attack.

But according to eyewitnesses, there was nothing suspicious about the way the car was being driven. Moreover, half an hour into the incident, the Shin Bet security service, the police and the army's Central Command ruled out an attempted attack. But that didn't make much difference.

"There were people there who tried to treat the Palestinian, who was in bad shape because of the beating," the soldier from a different unit said. "They yelled at the Netzah Yehuda medic to come help, but he refused, claiming he was a terrorist. They even refused to provide the water they asked for to treat the Palestinian. It was an insane incident."

Many officers from the battalion were there, "but none of them said anything," the soldier added.

The driver and his family were released after being detained for two hours. The driver was transferred to a Palestinian ambulance; the rest of the family wanted to return to their car. But then they discovered that the keys had disappeared. They asked the soldiers, who said they knew nothing about it.

"For more than an hour they searched for the car keys," said a person who was present at the scene. "Only an hour and a half later, when the deputy battalion commander showed up and started to search, did they find the keys at their outpost, near the rooms. For an hour and a half they lied to the entire world, and this didn't bother them at all."

People familiar with the battalion might be shocked at the details of this incident, but not at the fact that it occurred. Officers and soldiers past and present who have served in the battalion or are familiar with it say that for years it has set its own moral and professional standards – and the top brass has turned a blind eye.

"We would go out on routine operations in the villages, and suddenly one of the guys would throw a stun grenade at a home or a passing car. It's usually just for laughs and because of stories they've heard about what battalion veterans have done," said a Netzah Yehuda soldier who left the army two years ago.

"It's important to someone in the battalion to constantly show that they're a different force in the sector – that we, unlike all the brigades that are replaced every few weeks, live this sector and know what to do."

Since this soldier was discharged, a lot of evidence has accumulated that supports his claim. For example, Palestinians in the town of Sinjil near Ramallah reported that Netzah Yehuda soldiers smashed the windows of a home, broke in and threatened the family with a gun.

"There was an inquiry into this incident; the whole thing was improper operationally," a source at Central Command said. "At the end of the inquiry, the orders and regulations were clarified to the soldiers," but this was another incident, inquiry and clarification of the regulations with no penalties.

A defense official remembered a Central Command meeting about two years ago after another incident involving Netzah Yehuda. According to the document that followed, "Most of the combat soldiers from the battalion are from families who live in the area. This makes it harder for them to separate their personal opinions from the demands of their commanders."

People at the meeting wondered how to move forward. One option was to dissolve the battalion and place its soldiers in other units.

"We very quickly realized that dissolving Netzah Yehuda would be a declaration of war for the settler leadership," the defense official said. "Their view on the ground is that this battalion belongs to them, that it's a force that works for the settlement enterprise."

It seems no one in the military disputes this. "In routine times, the heads of the settler leadership show up at the battalion freely and talk to the soldiers," the defense official said. "Rabbis come to the post and move around freely, give classes and talk with the soldiers about operational incidents. It's a kind of phalange" – a militia.

Not only defense officials have reached this conclusion. In a social media post last month, MK Bezalel Smotrich, the leader of the Religious Zionism party that has six seats in the Knesset, made clear the ideological connection between the residents of the settlements and the unauthorized outposts and the soldiers who serve there.

"As a settler, I'm telling you that the residents are happy every time that Netzah Yehuda is deployed in their sector," Smotrich wrote. "These periods are characterized by quiet and relative safety on the roads because the guys there know exactly what their mission is, who the enemy is and who their brother is. They don't get confused, they aim for contact and create deterrence."

Spitting on the police

In June, confrontations broke out between Palestinians and settlers near the unauthorized outpost of Oz Zion. When a Border Police officer arrived to separate them, Netzah Yehuda soldiers intervened verbally.

"Screw this Border Police cop now," they yelled at the settlers, encouraging them to attack him. A few days later there was a clash between settlers and the police in the Shiloh Valley.

"The soldiers from Netzah Yehuda began shouting at the police and security forces, 'Don't incriminate fighters,' 'traitors' and 'Jews are being evicted,'" said a military source with knowledge of the incident. "One soldier spit at the forces."

Sometimes it's not just words. "On weekends, more than once, soldiers from Netzah Yehuda showed up and took part in the violent incidents against Palestinians or security forces who came to the confrontations," said an officer in the army reserves who served in the sector in the past two years.

"During one of the evictions at the Adi Ad outpost, the owner of the building claimed to the police that his son was an officer in Netzah Yehuda and the building was for his son's wedding. There are crazy situations there."

The political ideology of the Netzah Yehuda soldiers carries great weight, defense officials say. "There was an operation at a village next to Ramallah," one official said. "In the briefing, the soldiers were told that they were passing through Palestinians' farmland in Palestinian territory, so they had to act accordingly."

Then one of the commanders declared to everyone present: "This is land of the Jewish people and it will soon return to the Jewish people." According to this source, no one commented on this, as if nothing had happened.

"We mustn't generalize about everyone who serves in this battalion," a senior defense official added. "But we also have to tell the truth: Many of them are disadvantaged and have difficulties with their families. Some joined under pressure from their families to prevent them from hanging around Cat Square in Jerusalem or taking part in rowdiness at the outposts."

They live in the unauthorized outposts and join the army with a clear position on the conflict with the Palestinians. "They haven't come to change their worldview, and in some cases, enlistment is the way to fulfill their ideology," the senior defense official said.

Sometimes it isn't ideology. This was the case when Netzah Yehuda soldiers were called to the entrance to Ramallah in January 2021 because of a disturbance by Palestinians. The incident seemed to end properly, but Central Command received a complaint from The Associated Press, which said that Netzah Yehuda soldiers stole a photographer's tripod.

The soldiers denied the accusations when their commanders asked about it, but officials say the complaint reached high up in the army, so the brigade commander in the sector was sent to investigate. The tripod was found at the post; it was near the soldiers' living quarters. "It ended in a reprimand for the soldiers, but nothing more," said a former Netzah Yehuda soldier who knows about the incident.

Similar to the reprimands came the lenient punishment of the commanders after the death of Omar Abdalmajeed As'ad, even though the incident was described as "serious and regrettable, a moral failure of the force." The most serious punishment: The company and platoon commanders will have to wait two years for their next command posting – apparently at Netzah Yehuda.

"The IDF is the IDF," a former senior officer said. "It chooses to deal with the mosquito and not dry out the swamp."

Since the release of an inquiry led by a senior officer, other top officers have lauded Netzah Yehuda. "The battalion has excellent fighters, and I don't see this battalion as a militia," Central Command chief Yehuda Fuchs told military reporters. "In the past six months, the battalion has been aware of the shadow cast over it, it's dealing more with these incidents, and it immediately reports them."

Still, most of the harsh incidents have become known only because of reports from outside the military.

No other unit wants them

Military courts have also been lenient, as in a verdict in November 2019. According to the indictment filed by military prosecutors, a Netzah Yehuda soldier attacked Bedouin at a gas station in the south "without provocation, and while they were trying to call the police."

In addition, other soldiers from the battalion, who were in a small bus, got off the vehicle "while they were carrying their weapons and for a few minutes struck people at the scene and aimed their locked and loaded weapons at them," the indictment reads. The result: a month and a half in prison for the soldier who launched the attack, and disciplinary action against the rest.

"The defendant is a soldier who joined the IDF even though he could have continued with his Torah studies," the judges wrote in justifying their lenient sentence.

"The opinions and recommendations of the defendant's teachers and commanders show that this is an upright young man, a positive soldier who carries out his role and missions in the very best way."

Another example of leniency came eight months earlier. On March 19, 2019, combat soldiers from Netzah Yehuda were indicted after photographing themselves abusing Palestinian detainees suspected of aiding a terrorist attack near the Givat Asaf outpost, where some of their comrades had been killed. The case ended in a plea deal; the ring leader received four and a half months in prison, the others only disciplinary punishments.

Commanders and rabbis served as character witnesses for the soldiers. The verdict read: "According to the rabbi's impression, the defendant and his partner in the affair have learned their lesson. To their credit, we must recognize the sacrifice in their decision to enlist, with the whole familial and social price accompanying it."

The battalion commander at the time of the incident, Lt. Col. Nitai Ukashi, also noted the "battalion soldiers' complicated background," adding that "the arrest of the soldiers was a shock that also led to the learning of lessons." Ukashi asked the judges to be merciful "in light of their contribution and many achievements."

But a former senior military official who was still serving in 2019 said that all the actions taken in this incident – as in the recent one – reveal the Israel Defense Forces' fecklessness regarding the drafting of Haredim into the army.

"This entire thing was born in sin to mollify various groups. There was no reason to continue with Netzah Yehuda in the way that it operates," he said.

"There are excellent people there, fighters who have done a lot for the country's security, and they truly see the IDF as the entryway to a better life as Israeli citizens.

The problem is that every discussion on this battalion immediately turns into a political discussion," he added.

"It's impossible to continue this way; everyone in the IDF agrees. It's an issue that has come up so many times, but there hasn't been anyone willing to take the flak from the rabbis and [politicians] who benefit from this situation."

So the idea to divide up the battalion on different fronts, which has been brought up throughout the years – especially after serious incidents – gets filed back away. "In closed discussions, the position is always that no one really wants to receive them in their sector," said a senior defense official involved in the matter.

"Southern Command worried about bringing the battalion into that sector; they were afraid that a lack of discipline could lead to an escalation with Hamas, and even to a few days of fighting. Northern Command feared that in the sensitive operations on the northern front, the battalion's fighters wouldn't necessarily follow information-security directives. Even other brigades in Central Command weren't enthusiastic about receiving them."

A commander who once served in the battalion and had come from another brigade says it was like discovering a different army, "an army that the IDF had no clue about how it was being run."

One example came during the month of Ramadan, when Muslims fast during the day, in 2020. "The command gave an order not to carry out searches between 2 P.M. and 8 P.M. in places where there were no suspicions about a driver or person passing through the checkpoint," the commander said. "This would make the fast easier for them and let them get home and eat."

But some soldiers actually decided to make things harder for the Palestinians and searched every car. "It was intentional to mar their fast, their holiday," the commander said. "Even a request to the senior commanders in the battalion didn't always help."

Another incident occurred in December 2020, when a Netzah Yehuda soldier was involved in a traffic accident where a Palestinian was killed.

After the accident, it was discovered that the soldier was driving a mastuba, as it's known in Arabic, a car that has been taken off the roads by the Israeli authorities. Usually these vehicles are sent to the West Bank, where they're supposed to be junked and crushed, but often they're put back on the roads there illegally and unsafe.

The commander of the 99th Division, Brig. Gen. Avi Rosenfeld, led an inquiry into the matter. He discovered that Netzah Yehuda soldiers had confiscated the car from Palestinians but decided to keep it – with their commander's approval. "The soldiers, even the commanders, would drive this car to buy food or for short trips home," said a military official who has knowledge of the details. "No one hid this mastuba."

The inquiry found that the commanders and soldiers lied to the senior commanders investigating; for four days they refused to confess. Rosenfeld wrote that this culture of lies must be dealt with, but even this incident ended with nothing but pinpointed punishments.

The IDF Spokesperson's Unit said: "The Netzah Yehuda Battalion carries out operational activities in the Judea and Samaria sector, and in doing so contributes to the security of the State of Israel. The location of the battalion is based on operational needs while preserving the lifestyle of the Haredi soldiers.

"The claims of entry by settlement leaders are not known to us. The rabbis who enter the battalion are only the rabbis who have been approved by the IDF's accepted channels. Soldiers who commit any violation during their leave are dealt with immediately according to the law, the same as for every Israeli citizen."

 

[DixonHur 11317]

17 hours ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

mainstream white nationalists LOVE Israel , part of the judeo-christian western identity. It's "us" vs "them" (Muslims/Arabs) who are threat to "us". 

I think you're conflating White Nationalists with Chirstian Nationalists (who for the most part are white), which is understandable since the Venn Diagram of the two groups is almost a perfect circle. 

But I think you're wrong about the Judeo-Christian kumbaya aspect.  Christian (white) Nationalists don't give a shit about the Jews as a people.  They need Israel to be a Jewish homeland for the rapture to occur.

I mean the entire dogma is that Christianity is supreme and everyone else, including the Jews are going to Hell.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I think you're conflating White Nationalists with Chirstian Nationalists (who for the most part are white), which is understandable since the Venn Diagram of the two groups is almost a perfect circle. 

But I think you're wrong about the Judeo-Christian kumbaya aspect.  Christian (white) Nationalists don't give a shit about the Jews as a people.  They need Israel to be a Jewish homeland for the rapture to occur.

I mean the entire dogma is that Christianity is supreme and everyone else, including the Jews are going to Hell.

Christian Nationalists do care about Jews, but as you implied, only because their symbolic necessity for the Jesus guy to return. So if a Jew is killed by a Hamas rocket, the Jew gets high levels of sympathy and Islam is villified with no limits.  I doubt Christian nationalists mix socially with Jews, but maybe they do.  I know they hold political functions together often. 

Yeah, i agree it's very difficult to define white nationalism, christian nationalism, and the ultra far right white supremacists. Then there's the hyper patriotism which has mostly whites but also some minorities - and they all love Israel , and has nothing to do with rapture.  It's complex to sort out, picture is blurry, but there is definitely a picture. 

[RomaVicta 29909]

I'm sure I'm getting tiresome grousing about language, but what the fucking fuck:

Bad behavior? Really?

I'd say their victims were terrorized with an aim to spread terror. Bad behavior, indeed.

That'll show 'em!

This remains an embarrassing attempt at a figleaf; looking like your doing something even though you are not doing anything.

The charade of punishing specific units instead of holding their government command accountable will only make American lawmakers feel better about supporting things we're supposedly staunchly against. In the end, we're the goddamn charade.

Here in Idiot World, it will possibly lead to the election of an absolute villain.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

38 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm sure I'm getting tiresome grousing about language, but what the fucking fuck:

Bad behavior? Really?

I'd say their victims were terrorized with an aim to spread terror. Bad behavior, indeed.

That'll show 'em!

This remains an embarrassing attempt at a figleaf; looking like your doing something even though you are not doing anything.

The charade of punishing specific units instead of holding their government command accountable will only make American lawmakers feel better about supporting things we're supposedly staunchly against. In the end, we're the goddamn charade.

Here in Idiot World, it will possibly lead to the election of an absolute villain.

the sanctioning of IDF units has lost traction

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-sanction-israeli-military-units-accused-human-rights/story?id=109651562#:~:text=Interest Successfully Added-,US holds off on sanctioning Israeli military units accused of,aid can continue for now.

 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

MAGA , specifically Jan 6 riot and ISRAEL, which is a foreign nation for those who don't know. 

why would hyper patriotic Americans wave Israeli flags when the topic is the US election? 

 

[InkaUtexas 25951]

48 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

the sanctioning of IDF units has lost traction

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-sanction-israeli-military-units-accused-human-rights/story?id=109651562#:~:text=Interest Successfully Added-,US holds off on sanctioning Israeli military units accused of,aid can continue for now.

 

This is fucked up. Sanctions rarely work at a Unit level, since they can cross train with other groups. But it sends the message of Meh, do what you want.

 

[bolverk 29683]

Colombia’s president says country will break diplomatic relations with Israel over war in Gaza

 

 

[Nivek 16936]

1 hour ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

MAGA , specifically Jan 6 riot and ISRAEL, which is a foreign nation for those who don't know. 

why would hyper patriotic Americans wave Israeli flags when the topic is the US election? 

 

To be fair, when I see a Q flag flying, I tend to think everyone there believes in nonsensical bullshit so I do not put any additional thought into it.    It is as absurd as celebrating the stars and bars along with the U.S. flag and pretending they are equivalent.   

[Satchel 6938]

‘the hell?
 

 

[A-Tex Devil 2446]

10 hours ago, Satchel said:

‘the hell?
 

 

That can’t be right?  As much as it is deplorable; hate speech isn’t criminal.  I presume it means if you do any of those things in the act of committing a crime it is a hate crime?

[HenryJames 66079]

We are evangelicals now.

[RomaVicta 29909]

All this new antisemitism just ain't nearly as good as the old stuff from back in the day.

Keep your radio tuned to the Classics here on KLAS!

 

Is there not a single competent lawyer or college graduate to help them word their idiotic proposals? Just about any person who writes here could do better. It reads like TexAgs.

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

Remember this tweet?

And these fine people?

[BrickHorn 18237]

I just read the bill. It’s a bit confusing, because it’s short and mainly references other laws and sources. But as far as I can tell, it does not “criminalize” antisemitism. Instead, it clarifies the definition of antisemitism to be applied by the Department of Education in claims of discrimination under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. And, yes, that definition (which is defined by reference to an outside source) is quite broad and includes the list of items quoted above.  

[DixonHur 11317]

16 hours ago, bolverk said:

Colombia’s president says country will break diplomatic relations with Israel over war in Gaza

 

 

Hey those protests worked...oh wait, that was Columbia.  My bad.

[chainsaw 9869]

2 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

I just read the bill. It’s a bit confusing, because it’s short and mainly references other laws and sources. But as far as I can tell, it does not “criminalize” antisemitism. Instead, it clarifies the definition of antisemitism to be applied by the Department of Education in claims of discrimination under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. And, yes, that definition (which is defined by reference to an outside source) is quite broad and includes the list of items quoted above.  

So it means you can get sued for opposing Israel's genocide?

[BrickHorn 18237]

8 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

So it means you can get sued for opposing Israel's genocide?

Depends. Are you a recipient of federal financial assistance who has discriminated on the basis of your opposition?

[956 Worldwide 34715]

Y’all are debating a bill through the prism of a Matt Walsh tweet.  What the hell is happening here? 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

5 hours ago, A-Tex Devil said:

That can’t be right?  As much as it is deplorable; hate speech isn’t criminal.  I presume it means if you do any of those things in the act of committing a crime it is a hate crime?

it's censorship, taken from the IHRA definition almost word for word.   International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, a Zionist propaganda group. I'm surprised this took so long as the IHRA has been around for years and the definition embraced by many institutions. 

 

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

 

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

1. Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
2. Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
3. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
4. Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
5. Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
6. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
7. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
8. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
9. Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
10. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
11. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

Edited May 2 by Make em eat Taco Bell

[chainsaw 9869]

4 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Lots of weasel words in this.

[Satchel 6938]

Why not adopt something like the COVID hate crimes bill that addressed violence against those in AAPI communities?

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

Just now, Satchel said:

Why not adopt something like the COVID hate crimes bill that addressed violence against those in AAPI communities?

the timing implies the effort to stifle campus protests, since the bill targets Dept of Education funding to schools.  Meaning if you let the Pals on campus, your money is cut off. 

['stache 21817]

That's absurd and could never be enforced. I said it earlier, the fucking ACLU represented the KKK and their right to march. The message doesn't fucking matter! Only where they manifest into physical acts of violence or true threats can they be suppressed.

[BrickHorn 18237]

16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

That's absurd and could never be enforced. I said it earlier, the fucking ACLU represented the KKK and their right to march. The message doesn't fucking matter! Only where they manifest into physical acts of violence or true threats can they be suppressed.

The First Amendment isn’t the only provision of the Constitution. When evaluating the circumstances under which speech is protected (and to what degree), you have to also consider other constitutional rights. That includes the Fourteenth Amendment and equal protection. 

[Macklemore 2872]

4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Y’all are debating a bill through the prism of a Matt Walsh tweet.  What the hell is happening here? 

Read the fucking bill if you have an issue with the source of the tweet gatekeeper

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

3 hours ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

and then have the government pass a profoundly pro Zionist bill with little opposition. 

[Gengs1 2583]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tragic-boy-8-killed-war-32724535#google_vignette
 

I guess the new reason will be he was of military age

 

“eight-year-old boy was shot dead as he tried to flee. The child, known as Adam, was hit in the back of the head. His friend Basil, 15, was also shot and died from chest wounds.”

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

48 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tragic-boy-8-killed-war-32724535#google_vignette
 

I guess the new reason will be he was of military age

 

“eight-year-old boy was shot dead as he tried to flee. The child, known as Adam, was hit in the back of the head. His friend Basil, 15, was also shot and died from chest wounds.”

"Israel is a nation of murderers" - Norman Finkelstein (Jewish)

how do 2 boys get grenades anyway? No doubt they were rocks, or just 1 rock, but the IDF treats Arabs like vermin (to the delight of Surly right wingers) and gets away with murder all day all night, then the Jewish nation claims victimhood. Then the Jewish nation claims its all antisemitism, then claims it does not control the US goverment. As RV (poster) said, it's an "idiot world". 

Edited May 2 by Make em eat Taco Bell

[Gengs1 2583]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/02/middleeast/israeli-precision-guided-munition-maghazi-deaths-intl/index.html
 

“In the two weeks since the attack, the Israeli military’s statements have shifted, but it has not taken responsibility for the strike that ultimately killed Shahed and 10 other children.”

“The strike in question was carried out at a different time than described in the query, and was approved based on an accurate intelligence indication,” the Israeli military statement said, referring to CNN’s request for response. “The collateral damage as described in the query is not known to the IDF.”

 

Seems like they don’t give a shit 

[Gengs1 2583]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/middleeast/gaza-surgeon-adnan-al-bursh-israeli-prison-intl-hnk/index.html
 

A prominent surgeon in Gaza has died in an Israeli prison after being held for more than four months

[HenryJames 66079]

1 hour ago, Gengs1 said:

Seems like they don’t give a shit 

They don't give a shit.