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[InkaUtexas 26010]

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is assassinated in Tehran

BEIRUT (AP) — Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran, Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard said early Wednesday, and Hamas blamed Israel for the attack.

Israel has vowed to kill Haniyeh and other leaders of Hamas over the group’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel that killed 1,200 people and saw some 250 others taken hostage.

An Israeli military spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Israel often doesn’t when it comes to assassinations carried out by their Mossad intelligence agency.

Hamas said Haniyeh was killed “in a Zionist airstrike on his residence in Tehran after he participated in the inauguration of Iran’s new president.”

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

 

[tx 3 putt 77180]

F35’s ?

[InkaUtexas 26010]

initial reports, and not a lot of them, suggests on the ground. Got him and his bodyguard. No footage yet showing explosions, etc.

[Rex Kramer 1343]

48 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Well, I don't think any of those other threats are currently existential, maybe at points in the past and perhaps at points in the future, but not right now. That doesn't mean they couldn't do damage. Just that Israel on its own would eventually beat them and that's before accounting for US support, which would be overwhelming. 

Maybe, maybe not. Israel lives in Cuban Missile Crisis terms full-time, but in a country that is tiny and surrounded by Russia/Cuba. Iran has nukes (it does). The fact that I say “maybe” and you say “I don’t think” strongly suggests that wildcat’s statement is asinine. 

[PRONG HORN 3149]

36 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

initial reports, and not a lot of them, suggests on the ground. Got him and his bodyguard. No footage yet showing explosions, etc.

 

I hope it was close quarters

 

 

[Anastasis 23479]

6 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is assassinated in Tehran

BEIRUT (AP) — Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran, Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard said early Wednesday, and Hamas blamed Israel for the attack.

Israel has vowed to kill Haniyeh and other leaders of Hamas over the group’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel that killed 1,200 people and saw some 250 others taken hostage.

An Israeli military spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Israel often doesn’t when it comes to assassinations carried out by their Mossad intelligence agency.

Hamas said Haniyeh was killed “in a Zionist airstrike on his residence in Tehran after he participated in the inauguration of Iran’s new president.”

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

 

Zero problem with decapitation targeting Hamas leadership. Certainly better than the genocide and ethnic cleansing play we’ve been watching. There will be ramifications wrt ceasefire talks though. Haniyeh was one of hamas’ lead negotiators. How much that may have played into the assassination who knows. Probably just taking the shot since he was  vulnerable and outside of Qatar. 

[HenryJames 66134]

8 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

Maybe now they'll pull they're head out of their asses and agree to peace terms

Netanyahu is the reason there isn’t a peace agreement.

[statsman 5473]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Netanyahu is the reason there isn’t a peace agreement.

I thought the hold up was:

Hamas wants to exist after a removal of troops and hostage release. 
 
Israel insists Hamas cannot exist after a removal of troops and hostage release. 
 
My understanding is that the Israeli position has broad popular support in Israel. 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

14 minutes ago, statsman said:

I thought the hold up was:

Hamas wants to exist after a removal of troops and hostage release. 
 
Israel insists Hamas cannot exist after a removal of troops and hostage release. 
 
My understanding is that the Israeli position has broad popular support in Israel. 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-27/ty-article/.premium/hostages-families-say-netanyahu-is-deliberately-obstructing-release-deal/00000190-f4ff-dda7-a9f7-f7ff6a350000

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-26/ty-article/.premium/senior-israeli-negotiator-says-netanyahu-knowingly-creating-crisis-in-cease-fire-talks/00000190-ef5c-dda7-a9f7-ef7f7b210000

Yeah totally, guy, what he's doing is super popular in Israel right now. There totally aren't massive protests going on in Israel on a daily basis demanding he stop obstructing the ceasefire deals or demanding new elections to get him out of office.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/07/25/thousands-shut-down-the-capitol-to-protest-israels-genocide/

There totally wasn't a massive protest, organized by Jewish Voice for Peace, in our own capitol consisting of thousands of Jews, Israelis, and even family members of the hostages when Netanyahu was speaking before Congress.

Seriously, how do you have your head stuck so far up your own ass?

e: Please tell me how antisemitic these protestors are, as well, I'm eager to hear it.

Edited July 31 by Brian Fantana

[tx 3 putt 77180]

We’ll see how Iran responds 

Edited July 31 by tx 3 putt

[statsman 5473]

41 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-27/ty-article/.premium/hostages-families-say-netanyahu-is-deliberately-obstructing-release-deal/00000190-f4ff-dda7-a9f7-f7ff6a350000

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-26/ty-article/.premium/senior-israeli-negotiator-says-netanyahu-knowingly-creating-crisis-in-cease-fire-talks/00000190-ef5c-dda7-a9f7-ef7f7b210000

Yeah totally, guy, what he's doing is super popular in Israel right now. There totally aren't massive protests going on in Israel on a daily basis demanding he stop obstructing the ceasefire deals or demanding new elections to get him out of office.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/07/25/thousands-shut-down-the-capitol-to-protest-israels-genocide/

There totally wasn't a massive protest, organized by Jewish Voice for Peace, in our own capitol consisting of thousands of Jews, Israelis, and even family members of the hostages when Netanyahu was speaking before Congress.

Seriously, how do you have your head stuck so far up your own ass?

e: Please tell me how antisemitic these protestors are, as well, I'm eager to hear it.

I see an argument for depth of support against Netanyahu. I don’t see an argument against breadth of support against his negotiating goal. 
 
That’s ok. Numeracy is hard for almost everyone. 

[Rex Kramer 1343]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

I thought the hold up was:

Hamas wants to exist after a removal of troops and hostage release. 
 
Israel insists Hamas cannot exist after a removal of troops and hostage release. 
 
My understanding is that the Israeli position has broad popular support in Israel. 

Nah, it’s all Bibi here. Hamas has been a perpetual bastion of reasonable behavior. 

[statsman 5473]

It’s comforting to think that if that one guy were gone, everything could work out, but it’s rarely true. 
 
If you want to argue that eliminating Hamas altogether is an unrealistic goal, well, that would be an interesting discussion. It’s not going to get anyone closer to peace, though, nor the Palestinians any closer to a state. 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

30 minutes ago, statsman said:

I see an argument for depth of support against Netanyahu. I don’t see an argument against breadth of support against his negotiating goal. 
 
That’s ok. Numeracy is hard for almost everyone. 

The protestors in Israel are literally protesting the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of his negotiations. If you read the Haaretz article I linked, the perception within Israel is that Netanyahu continually torpedoes these negotiations for his own personal gain. I'm not sure how you glean that somehow this is about him as a person and not about his "negotiation goals".

3 minutes ago, statsman said:

It’s comforting to think that if that one guy were gone, everything could work out, but it’s rarely true. 
 
If you want to argue that eliminating Hamas altogether is an unrealistic goal, well, that would be an interesting discussion. It’s not going to get anyone closer to peace, though, nor the Palestinians any closer to a state. 

The snag we're hitting here is that Netanyahu's "negotiation" basically boils down to demanding that Hamas hand over all hostages, and then kill itself. Of course, that would be fantastic for all involved, but it's entirely unrealistic because no one would ever agree to those terms. It's so insanely irrational as to be intentionally obstructive, which is why the families of the hostages, and many many more within Israel, think that he's simply stalling for personal gain.

Again, this all circles back around to the fact that Bibi needs to stay in power to stay out of prison. It's an inarguable fact that people continue to try and ignore for reasons that I cannot fathom, as if it's not incredibly relevant to how he handles this war.

[Brisketexan 105161]

The snag we're hitting here is that Netanyahu's "negotiation" basically boils down to demanding that Hamas hand over all hostages, and then kill itself. Of course, that would be fantastic for all involved, but it's entirely unrealistic because no one would ever agree to those terms. It's so insanely irrational as to be intentionally obstructive, which is why the families of the hostages, and many many more within Israel, think that he's simply stalling for personal gain.
Again, this all circles back around to the fact that Bibi needs to stay in power to stay out of prison. It's an inarguable fact that people continue to try and ignore for reasons that I cannot fathom, as if it's not incredibly relevant to how he handles this war.

I mean, this is really it.
Not that I don’t agree with Israel’s goal (elimination of Hamas), but it’s ummm, a tough negotiation point. “Hey…my negotiation stance is that you have to kill yourself” is never going to bear fruit.
A ceasefire is something different than a full surrender. But here we are.

[tx 3 putt 77180]

Isreal is settling all their family business today 

 

 

[statsman 5473]

48 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

The protestors in Israel are literally protesting the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of his negotiations. If you read the Haaretz article I linked, the perception within Israel is that Netanyahu continually torpedoes these negotiations for his own personal gain. I'm not sure how you glean that somehow this is about him as a person and not about his "negotiation goals".

The snag we're hitting here is that Netanyahu's "negotiation" basically boils down to demanding that Hamas hand over all hostages, and then kill itself. Of course, that would be fantastic for all involved, but it's entirely unrealistic because no one would ever agree to those terms. It's so insanely irrational as to be intentionally obstructive, which is why the families of the hostages, and many many more within Israel, think that he's simply stalling for personal gain.

Again, this all circles back around to the fact that Bibi needs to stay in power to stay out of prison. It's an inarguable fact that people continue to try and ignore for reasons that I cannot fathom, as if it's not incredibly relevant to how he handles this war.

I think Hamas’ planned negotiation was: “we’ll trade hostages for prisoners, let’s say at the rate of a a couple hundred of ours for every one of yours. Then, we’ll pretend it’s October 6 again”. 
 
I’m sure a lot of Israelis miss October 6. Here’s the thing about October 6- October 7 is just around the corner. I can see why so many of the Israelis see that as a non-starter. 

Edited July 31 by statsman

[tx 3 putt 77180]

When both sides want to wipe each other off the face the earth, it makes for difficult negotiations 

[956 Worldwide 34734]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Isreal is settling all their family business today 

 

 

 

[Rex Kramer 1343]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

I think Hamas’ planned negotiation was: “we’ll trade hostages for prisoners, let’s say at the rate of a a couple hundred of ours for every one of yours. Then, we’ll pretend it’s October 6 again”. 

No it’s 100% Bibi. Lulz at the notion that Hamas is the reasonable negotiation actor here. Hamas will find no shelter. If I’m in charge, I tell them “you can return all hostages and surrender, and we’ll cease firing. Or, not return all hostages and there’s no ceasefire.”  

They can infer from that what they will, but their lives are all over, as they should be. Either they surrender and they’ll be in prison, or continue to not agree to our terms, and we’ll kill you all. If they don’t like that, then they should’ve thought twice about 10/7. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20457]

 

 

 

[jdhorn92 1552]

2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

 

 

Wow, this the Red Wedding Israeli-style.

[Brian Fantana 6689]

4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

When both sides want to wipe each other off the face the earth, it makes for difficult negotiations 

Facts.

3 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

No it’s 100% Bibi. Lulz at the notion that Hamas is the reasonable negotiation actor here. Hamas will find no shelter. If I’m in charge, I tell them “you can return all hostages and surrender, and we’ll cease firing. Or, not return all hostages and there’s no ceasefire.”  

They can infer from that what they will, but their lives are all over, as they should be. Either they surrender and they’ll be in prison, or continue to not agree to our terms, and we’ll kill you all. If they don’t like that, then they should’ve thought twice about 10/7. 

Who is saying Hamas is the reasonable actor here? No one here is going to disagree with what you're saying here.

It's the people within Israel and the families of the hostages that think Bibi is purposefully obstructing the deal. That notion didn't come out of thin air. That's why we're seeing massive protests within Israel right now plus the Jewish Voice for Peace protest, etc. It's not American Libruls or whatever other bogeyman you're making up in your head.

[Rex Kramer 1343]

26 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Facts.

Who is saying Hamas is the reasonable actor here? No one here is going to disagree with what you're saying here.

It's the people within Israel and the families of the hostages that think Bibi is purposefully obstructing the deal. That notion didn't come out of thin air. That's why we're seeing massive protests within Israel right now plus the Jewish Voice for Peace protest, etc. It's not American Libruls or whatever other bogeyman you're making up in your head.

You are with each post. You constantly put yourselves in the shoes of terrorists. Continue to preach there are protests, as if I give a fuck. Idiots protest shit all the time. Continue to empathize with terrorists with every post. It will not make a difference. 

[hobbes2702 13049]

7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You are with each post. You constantly put yourselves in the shoes of terrorists. Continue to preach there are protests, as if I give a fuck. Idiots protest shit all the time. Continue to empathize with terrorists with every post. It will not make a difference. 

Do you know what the word empathize means?

[956 Worldwide 34734]

F-15 discourse potentially becoming F-35 discourse.  I hope so, very very much; nothing quite so giddy as S300s not doing shit while a high value target gets smoked by a single munition delivered through his window. 
 

 

[Rex Kramer 1343]

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Do you know what the word empathize means?

Yep. Can even use it in a sentence: Brian Fantana, by constantly blaming Bibi for lack of a ceasefire and constantly claiming he’s putting terrorists in a non-starter position, is attempting to empathize with terrorists because of his hatred of Israel. He doesn’t understand that Hamas has put themselves in that non-starter position. All his links are attempts to misdirect people to share his hatred of Israel. 

Caveat here because of the sensitive topic: the Israeli government. I’m not claiming anyone is an anti-Semite or supports terrorists. I have said so as hyperbole before and it’s gotten me into trouble. 

[tx 3 putt 77180]

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33878]

[wildcat09 29355]

18 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Yep. Can even use it in a sentence: Brian Fantana, by constantly blaming Bibi for lack of a ceasefire and constantly claiming he’s putting terrorists in a non-starter position, is attempting to empathize with terrorists because of his hatred of Israel. He doesn’t understand that Hamas has put themselves in that non-starter position. All his links are attempts to misdirect people to share his hatred of Israel. 

Caveat here because of the sensitive topic: the Israeli government. I’m not claiming anyone is an anti-Semite or supports terrorists. I have said so as hyperbole before and it’s gotten me into trouble. 

Definitely not beating those illiteracy allegations any time soon.

[Brian Fantana 6689]

25 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You are with each post. You constantly put yourselves in the shoes of terrorists. Continue to preach there are protests, as if I give a fuck. Idiots protest shit all the time. Continue to empathize with terrorists with every post. It will not make a difference. 

It's so telling that you think this is a bad word, and how you think that the ability to put yourself in the shoes of others is a bad thing.

It's even funnier because what I'm actually doing is empathizing with Israelis, you absolute moron.

11 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Yep. Can even use it in a sentence: Brian Fantana, by constantly blaming Bibi for lack of a ceasefire and constantly claiming he’s putting terrorists in a non-starter position, is attempting to empathize with terrorists because of his hatred of Israel. He doesn’t understand that Hamas has put themselves in that non-starter position. All his links are attempts to misdirect people to share his hatred of Israel. 

Caveat here because of the sensitive topic: the Israeli government. I’m not claiming anyone is an anti-Semite or supports terrorists. I have said so as hyperbole before and it’s gotten me into trouble. 

It's so funny how you twist yourself into knots trying to repeatedly claim that I am a terrorist sympathizer while trying to cover your ass and claim that you're TOTALLY not doing that.

Yes, I am blaming Bibi, as are many,  many others, including many "idiots" (according to you) in Israel's population and government. There is a mountain of evidence that suggests he is the obstructionist here, despite whatever claims he makes to the media.

I have to admit, I did not expect you to die on the sword for a man who views our government as his personal piggybank and tool to use at his disposal, but here we are.

[tx 3 putt 77180]

If I worked at an Iran nuclear facility, I’d call in sick 

[hobbes2702 13049]

 

19 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's so telling that you think this is a bad word, and how you think that the ability to put yourself in the shoes of others is a bad thing.

It's even funnier because what I'm actually doing is empathizing with Israelis, you absolute moron.

It's so funny how you twist yourself into knots trying to repeatedly claim that I am a terrorist sympathizer while trying to cover your ass and claim that you're TOTALLY not doing that.

Yes, I am blaming Bibi, as are many,  many others, including many "idiots" (according to you) in Israel's population and government. There is a mountain of evidence that suggests he is the obstructionist here, despite whatever claims he makes to the media.

I have to admit, I did not expect you to die on the sword for a man who views our government as his personal piggybank and tool to use at his disposal, but here we are.

No no no, you’re a terrorist empathizer not sympathizer. He just thinks those words mean the same thing lol.

[Anastasis 23479]

So full scale war in the Middle East is gonna be the election treat. Awesome. Some of you people are absolute ghouls. 

[956 Worldwide 34734]

7 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean, this is really it.
Not that I don’t agree with Israel’s goal (elimination of Hamas), but it’s ummm, a tough negotiation point. “Hey…my negotiation stance is that you have to kill yourself” is never going to bear fruit.
A ceasefire is something different than a full surrender. But here we are.

I always hate that, when me and the boys tell everyone how awesome and glorious it is to be a marty felled in battle with the infidels and the the infidels agree with me. 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

Who's Marty?

[Brisketexan 105161]

6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Who's Marty?

[chainsaw 9872]

If they could have done these targeted assassinations why all the bombing and starvation of civilians? Makes you think...

[tx 3 putt 77180]

So a F35 or something was outside Iran airspace and fired a missile into Iran, nothing was detected ?

[Rex Kramer 1343]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's so telling that you think this is a bad word, and how you think that the ability to put yourself in the shoes of others is a bad thing.

It's even funnier because what I'm actually doing is empathizing with Israelis, you absolute moron.

It's so funny how you twist yourself into knots trying to repeatedly claim that I am a terrorist sympathizer while trying to cover your ass and claim that you're TOTALLY not doing that.

Yes, I am blaming Bibi, as are many,  many others, including many "idiots" (according to you) in Israel's population and government. There is a mountain of evidence that suggests he is the obstructionist here, despite whatever claims he makes to the media.

I have to admit, I did not expect you to die on the sword for a man who views our government as his personal piggybank and tool to use at his disposal, but here we are.

Nothing wrong with empathy. You’re wasting everyone’s time attempting to understand what Hamas thinks, though. You’re NOT empathizing with Israelis. You’re using their protests to your satisfaction to support your anti-Israel argument. You’ve shown zero emotion toward Israelis (except rightful antipathy toward WB settlers) and you can’t fool the Board now. 

I’ve not said a word about Bibi, though, I’m no fan. Claiming he’s more culpable for this mess than Hamas is ridiculous and that’s why I take issue with you and wildcat. You’re being morons. 

[Rex Kramer 1343]

2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

 

No no no, you’re a terrorist empathizer not sympathizer. He just thinks those words mean the same thing lol.

No I don’t. I chose the wrong word. Eat my ass. 

[DDD Dad 14344]

38 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Claiming he’s more culpable for this mess than Hamas is ridiculous. 

Dammit. I’m agreeing with Rex. 

[Anastasis 23479]

52 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If they could have done these targeted assassinations why all the bombing and starvation of civilians? Makes you think...

I still think that one was a matter primarily of "fuck around in the wrong place at the wrong time and you find out". The target was acquired when he left Qatar for Iran. Of course, the happy secondary impact is that he was one of the chief negotiators and foreign relations reps involved with the ceasefire talks. 

[TeeDubya 3362]

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

If I worked at an Iran nuclear facility, I’d call in sick 

"I can't come in today, I have atomic ache."

[Rex Kramer 1343]

20 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Dammit. I’m agreeing with Rex. 

Take that with you to Lakewood and wear it like a badge of fucking honor. 

[hobbes2702 13049]

2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

No I don’t. I chose the wrong word. Eat my ass. 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

13 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Dammit. I’m agreeing with Rex. 

 

Here's my shocked face:

 

13 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Nothing wrong with empathy. You’re wasting everyone’s time attempting to understand what Hamas thinks, though.

You don't think it's important to understand the motivations of your enemy? I try to understand Hamas' motivations as the enemy as much as I try to understand the Israeli government's as the ally.

As much as I despise Netanyahu, he's not a stupid man, he knows that he is offering terms that the enemy can never accept. He also knows that the most extreme members of his coalition (a la Bezalel Smotrich, Itamar Ben-Gvir,, etc) have openly declared that they will bring his government down from the inside if a ceasefire agreement is ever reached. He is staring down the double barrel threats of the extremists within his government, and the three outstanding criminal cases within Israeli courts that he will face once and very likely go to prison once he is no longer in power.

It is completely crazy to dismiss what we know to be true right in front of our eyes when analyzing the situation. I literally cannot fathom why you and others around here continually dismiss Netanyahu's darker motivations and the multiple Swords of Damocles that hang over his head as if they are irrelevant to the moves he makes in this war.

13 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

You’re NOT empathizing with Israelis. You’re using their protests to your satisfaction to support your anti-Israel argument. You’ve shown zero emotion toward Israelis (except rightful antipathy toward WB settlers) and you can’t fool the Board now.

Listen up you stupid mother fucker, I have family and friends within Israel, and family within both Gaza and the West Bank. My beef is, and always has been, with the Israeli government, the more extreme elements of the population (i.e. the settlers), and the extreme elements within the Palestinian population. I have mentioned this multiple times in this thread, and also talked about how the safety and well-being of the Israeli people is just as important to me as the safety and well-being of Palestinians.

With this stupid fucking comment, you betray the fact that everything you say on this topic is backed by nothing more than childish and shallow emotion. I have motherfucking skins in the game, bitch, what do you have?

14 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’ve not said a word about Bibi, though, I’m no fan. Claiming he’s more culpable for this mess than Hamas is ridiculous and that’s why I take issue with you and wildcat. You’re being morons. 

This is NOT what I'm saying, and if you were capable of analyzing any situation or anyone's motivations beyond the superficial, you would understand that. Fucking OBVIOUSLY Hamas is a bad actor here as well, that goes without saying, and everyone here fucking knows that you imbecile.

What I was saying was that many, many people now consider Netanyahu's negotiations to be purposefully irrational in order to obstruct any possibility of a ceasefire so the war can continue indefinitely (as described above). He is essentially offering Hamas terms that effectively boil down to "release the hostages and then kill yourself." Yeah, that would be great if it happened, but no one on Earth would ever accept those terms, and Bibi knows that.

[statsman 5473]

One thing to note about the “hostage negotiations”: after ten months, Hamas can’t or won’t provide an accounting of the hostages. 

[Rex Kramer 1343]

12 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

 

Here's my shocked face:

 

You don't think it's important to understand the motivations of your enemy? I try to understand Hamas' motivations as the enemy as much as I try to understand the Israeli government's as the ally.

OF TERRORISTS THAT ARE REELING THAT HAVE MURDERED CLOSE TO 1500 OF YOUR PEOPLE?  FUCK NO.

As much as I despise Netanyahu, he's not a stupid man, he knows that he is offering terms that the enemy can never accept.

AS HE SHOULD.  WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT HAMAS WILL ACCEPT? 

He also knows that the most extreme members of his coalition (a la Bezalel Smotrich, Itamar Ben-Gvir,, etc) have openly declared that they will bring his government down from the inside if a ceasefire agreement is ever reached. He is staring down the double barrel threats of the extremists within his government, and the three outstanding criminal cases within Israeli courts that he will face once and very likely go to prison once he is no longer in power.

It is completely crazy to dismiss what we know to be true right in front of our eyes when analyzing the situation. I literally cannot fathom why you and others around here continually dismiss Netanyahu's darker motivations and the multiple Swords of Damocles that hang over his head as if they are irrelevant to the moves he makes in this war.

I DO NOT DISMISS THEM.  I DO NOT CARE AS THEY ARE IRRELEVANT.

Listen up you stupid mother fucker, I have family and friends within Israel, and family within both Gaza and the West Bank. My beef is, and always has been, with the Israeli government, the more extreme elements of the population (i.e. the settlers), and the extreme elements within the Palestinian population. I have mentioned this multiple times in this thread, and also talked about how the safety and well-being of the Israeli people is just as important to me as the safety and well-being of Palestinians.

With this stupid fucking comment, you betray the fact that everything you say on this topic is backed by nothing more than childish and shallow emotion. I have motherfucking skins in the game, bitch, what do you have?

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY EXPRESSION OF SYMPATHY FOR ISRAELI CITIZENS UNLESS THEY ARE PALESTINIAN CITIZENS OF ISRAEL.  I DO BELIEVE YOU DRAW A DISTINCTION BETWEEN GOVT AND ISRAELI CITIZENS.  BUT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE YOU USE ISRAELI DISSENTERS TO BOLSTER YOUR NATURAL ANTI-ISRAEL INCLINATIONS.  IN SHORT, I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CARE ABOUT ISRAELI JEWS.  I AM NOT CALLING YOU AN ANTI-SEMITE.

This is NOT what I'm saying, and if you were capable of analyzing any situation or anyone's motivations beyond the superficial, you would understand that. Fucking OBVIOUSLY Hamas is a bad actor here as well, that goes without saying, and everyone here fucking knows that you imbecile.

What I was saying was that many, many people now consider Netanyahu's negotiations to be purposefully irrational in order to obstruct any possibility of a ceasefire so the war can continue indefinitely (as described above). He is essentially offering Hamas terms that effectively boil down to "release the hostages and then kill yourself." Yeah, that would be great if it happened, but no one on Earth would ever accept those terms, and Bibi knows that.

HE IS SIMPLY NOT NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS.  GOOD.  HE IS DOING WHAT I WOULD DO, AND WHAT WE ALL KNEW ISRAEL WOULD DO AFTER 10/7.  NOTHING HAS CHANGED EXCEPT YOU AND SOME OTHERS DON’T LIKE IT.  TOUGH SHIT.

Response above in CAPS.  

[Brian Fantana 6689]

Okay, got it. I thought you were just being intentionally dense, but you're actually just blindingly stupid.

e: This is your hero, btw, @DDD Dad

Edited August 1 by Brian Fantana